Ibn Tammiyah & Sufism

[@robertmcleod1742]

Have you noticed that there's no screaming and yelling like a revival preacher an attribute that is so common with today's so-called scholars

[@tazboy1934]

yup i notice that too...

[@LeekyKale]

I don’t think he’s speaking to a large audience. You should have husn al dan with your brothers

[@wolfgang7812]

Yeah because they are trying to turn everyday muslims into fanatics.

[@mijanurrahman5640]

There are different styles of preaching depending on the culture you are in around the world. In some countries if you speak too quietly you're not taken as seriously... In other countries you are too loud, you are seen as slightly disturbing and unsettling...its just a cultural thing

[@sophosalpha]

Robert Mcleod, you have made a correct observation

[@fire.smok3]

A lot of people quote Ibn Taymiyya or claim to admire him without really knowing much about him. Good video

[@drkissinger1]

It looks to me like many people don't understand that Ibn Taymiyya was attempting to purify the genuine discipline of tasawwuf from charlatans on one hand and dangerous blasphemers on the other (he points out al-Hallaj specifically). It's like in my Christian tradition if someone attacks the heretical esotericism of the Taborites or Cathars, it doesn't mean that they oppose cultivating mystical experiences completely.

[@snakejuce]

@@drkissinger1 You're Christian?

[@drkissinger1]

@@snakejuce I am. I just studied Islam in school.

[@snakejuce]

@@drkissinger1 Interesting, good stuff, you seem to have gleaned a fair bit of the nuances. If I may ask, how did you end up on this video, if you recall? Was it something that you were researching? Also you've seen AHM's vids before? I love this guy. He's a breath of fresh air.

[@drkissinger1]

@@snakejuce Thanks! I ended up on it through watching some of Hamza Yusuf's interviews and lectures at Zaytuna, which eventually led me to AHM.

[@abdallah2018]

This just shows you how the orientalist black-white perception of islam resonates perfectly with the modern extreme salafi worldview

[@lionelchan1601]

The worldview has a lot of support. Some of it is "well intentioned", but I doubt very much if some of it is not also encouraged by Islam's enemies, using Salafi "patsies", in terms of physical acts but also "intellectual terrorism" too. The best way to destroy the Ummah is from within. Ahamduliliah, and more power to Shaykh Murad in his scholarly defence of the Deen.

[@miralabualjadail4206]

Yes I’ve always wondered why that was. I mean I have my theories and conclusions but I always found it peculiar. I’m glad you said it. Because others have called me crazy because of it.

[@farisa4317]

Oh haters of salafis are pisst.

[@farisa4317]

Oh haters of salafis are pisst.

[@snakejuce]

@@lionelchan1601 Controlled opposition, is the term you're looking for.

[@rabiaatif3537]

Saying there is no tasawuf in Islam is like saying there is no soul in this material body

[@abdallah2018]

Amazing scholar

[@mmayan]

My top 4 western scholars who are objective about every subject and do their best to spread love, tolerance, and understanding: Dr. Umar Faruq Abd-Alla Sheikh Humza Yusuf Abdal Hakim Murad Yasir Qadi

[@hxyzazolchak]

Yasir qadhi openly said he wants to reform Islam.

[@TraversingSacred]

@@hxyzazolchak define reform. He’s never said that.

[@hxyzazolchak]

@@TraversingSacred kzbin.info/www/bejne/baKxpGSaq8iFeNk watch this video and also watch the original video which can be found in the description

[@mikimilostnic2366]

add Mufti Abdur Rahman Mangera and your set

[@ferdoushossain5621]

One more shaykh Yahya Rhodus in the list. Listen to him too

[@R8V10]

Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad. Great scholar.

[@pindigheb100]

Thank you for the clarification about ibn taymiyya

[@yusufrahemtulla5435]

dr Timothy winter...??

[@angrypat4023]

yusuf rahemtulla yes

[@fazkhan6081]

Asalaamu alaikum wa rahatullah wabarakaru wamaghfiratuhu All the Praise and Glory is to Allah ya zal jalali wal ikram and all the sin and mistake are mine. Excellent Alhamdulillah. Walaikum Salaam Warahmutullahi wabarakatuhu wamaghfiratuhu

[@haydi5482]

what's the name of this scholar ? thank you in advance

[@derakhshan.setarah]

His name is Dr Timothy Winter.

[@HasanAli-gn8wd]

His name is Abdul Hakim murad

[@hakimT2024]

Dr Timothy Winter (sheikh abdul -hakim murad ) Winter is Britain’s leading Muslim scholar, and also the individual who is most well respected by theologians in the Muslim world. He has written on various topics from British Muslim history, through theological discourse to social issues. Winter teaches theology at Cambridge University. His advice is frequently sought on the issue of Muslims in Britain.

[@AArco-vc1jj]

I've often heard that Ibn Taymiyyah is burried in the sufi cementary; but Is there even such a thing as a sufi cementary?

[@mantiq7768]

There is yes. It's called the "Graveyard of Sufis" مقبرة الصوفية

[@sophosalpha]

Abdal Hakim is certainly an aayatollah..!

[@salimi.sheriff7608]

Great Insight

[@irfankurrimbux5445]

Sufism started with Hassan Basri whose mother was a maid in the house of Ehlul Bait عليهم الصلاة و السلام. And Imam Ali عليه الصلاة و السلام compared Hassan as the Samri of this ummat ! After more than a century appeared Ma'rouf Karkhi, a Christian who left his parents' house at the age of 12 joining the service of Imam Ali Al Rida عليه الصلاة و السلاو, the grandson of Imam Ja'far Al Sadiq عليه الصلاة و السلام ! After 15 years of service he fled due to oppression of the Abbassid caliph on Ehlul Bait عليهم الصلاة و السلام . He used the same method of Ehlul Bait عليهم الصلاة و السلام , but slightly changed the main DETAILs, hence sufism fell into perdition ! Note that Imam Ja'far عليه الصلاة و السلام was asked about the new sect, He replied : SUFIS ARE OUR ENEMIES ! As for Ibn Taymiya لعنة الله عليه , he was a Nasibi, due to his studies under the Jewish rabbis. Wahhabis, today not knowing, have grown hate for Imam Ali عليه الصلاة و السلام. Jews hate Imam Ali عليه الصلاة و السلام because the latter killed their champion at Khaibar !

[@aadilqayoom6872]

Simple truth

[@haledhajdari1154]

MashaAllah

[@nadera1830]

I agree with him generally, however I don't like the word Tasawf, Its an ambitious word, I like Tazkiah instead.

[@sidsid5442]

#Nader a Study, learn then you can judge.

[@nadera1830]

@@sidsid5442 Thank you for the advice, you are right. But still I don't like the word Tasawf, the etymological origin is ambiguous. Tazkiah is more closer to sharia terminology.

[@haledhajdari1154]

Ulama did not have a problem with the term.

[@nadera1830]

@@haledhajdari1154 Salaf didn't call themselves Sufi/Suffyah, it's etymological origin is ambitious. I believe it came from Greek culture, the oldest context of the term was in Alexandria around 150-200 hijri, the closest parallel is the term theosophia, which was practiced in Egypt Alexandria.

[@sahmedmh]

You claim to like Tasawwuf and then get caught up in the 'ambiguous' etymology of it. It's very ironic, no offence to you. Also, tazkiyyah al nafs is only one part of tasawwuf. Zuhd, faqr, sidq, dhikkr and many other disciplines make up the part of the saalik, the one who walks this path.

[@nassertaliep8166]

you dont look at what others wrote about Ibn Taymiyah but rather what Ibn Taymiyah himself wrote about Sufis. He conemns them. This is academic fraud.

[@musabqureshi242]

Abdul Hakim Murad (T J Winter) is a deviant Sufi and Asha'ree. For decades he's worked hard to deviate people (especially new converts) away from the Sunnah. Inalilahi wa ina ilayhi raji'oon. We ask Allah for Protection from him and others like him. Ameen.

[@halazeel776]

May Allah guide us all to that which is the truth and give us the tawfeeq to follow it. Set aside your foolish misunderstandings and listen to what the sheikh has to say. Do not be a blind follower. Ask Allah to open your heart to the haqq because indeed he is the one who answers the call of the slave. Be careful of the plot of the westerners to bring divide between the ahl sunnah, destroying us from within. This is the plot of the company of dajjal. Let us focus our efforts on treading the straight path rather than bad mouthing scholars. How will you react when those same people pass the sirat like the wind? May Allah make us both, along with sheikh murad, from the people of jannah "سب المسلم فسوق"

[@visitant1653]

@@halazeel776 You are the one being a blind follower here. The sunnah is like the ship of Nuh (Alayhis Salaam). This so called "scholar" will launch himself to mars but won't dare to prove his beliefs and opinions from Qu'ran and Sunnah (well not without distorting them like sufis always do). His evidence is *everyone was doing xyz therefore we must also do xyz.* Whether we like it or not but the Prophet ﷺ made it clear 72 sects from his Ummah will go to hell. Only one will go to jannah and they are the people who follow the Prophet ﷺ and his companions. Simple as that.

[@truebomba]

If you truly think that he is deviating people from the sunnah, then you should rather keep away from your delusional preaching because you are probably deviating people from Islam altogether.

[@visitant1653]

@@truebomba My apologies I mistakenly thought that comment was meant for me. But regardless I do agree with the OP.

[@Husayn0318]

@@visitant1653 You know it's really strange as to how Wahabis believe that no one except Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Abdul Wahab understood Islam in its true sense. These "Ahl ul Hadith" quote from scholars who were "Muqallids" and "Asharis&Maturidis" but then go on to reject and denounce Taqleed, The Asharis and the Maturidis. In some ways you yourselves are blindly following ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Abdul Wahab.

[@rathernot6660]

There is no place for sufism in Islam. That is an innovation. Sufism did not exist at the time of Muhammed SAW and he SAW never practised it. So this white man Murad is a decepticon.

[@a.Bader97]

What's an innovation is you saying "SAW" Instead of sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, when mentioning the master of creation, Sayidina Mohammed ﷺ. Do not be lazy and show respect to the leader of the Prophets and mankind. ﷺ

[@stevenhunter3345]

There is no Islam without tassawuf.

[@haledhajdari1154]

Rather not , ignorant people like you should Rather not speek.

[@haledhajdari1154]

Your rasizm has no place in Islam.

[@sahmedmh]

You expressed your opinion, right or wrong is now irrelevant. Because in the very next sentence you made a personal insult by calling the Sheikh a 'white man' and labelled him a 'deception'. What does his skin colour have to do with his Deen and aqeedah? And how many years have you solely dedicated to the study of Islam, Arabic language, etc.