It's A WOUNDED Eagle NOT A SPEARED Eagle - Come On NGC!

[@CoinHELPu]

This is something that confuses coin collectors and coin dealers, and NGC needs to fix it. NGC calls the 2000 Sacagawea Dollar, Wounded Eagle variety, a Speared Eagle, but it's not a "Speared" Eagle. Also, there's price guide on these haven't been updated since 2014! Buy Coins From Us: portsmouthcoinshop.com/ Help Community Coin Value App: coinauctionshelp.com/coincollectingapps/ Mint Error App: errorcoins.coinauctionshelp.com/wordpress/ Join this channel to get access to perks: kzbin.info/door/IYtW3byS0u7rBmXg71pXQwjoin

[@davidlee5931]

I'm glad you said it's a raised area and explained why, because I've seen scratched one's on ebay that they are calling wounded eagles. I'm really grateful for your videos. They have saved us a lot of heartache and hard lessons! Thank you!

[@OCStacker]

LIKE THAT YOU ALWAYS HAVE QUALITY INFORMATION WITH AN EXPLANATION.

[@ah5836]

When you look at how these price guides handle valuing coins, they get things like a 3-pack of coins at auction at Heritgate, and that gets used to value a single. Or you have a specific variety, like an auction for a double-die variety and that works its way into the price guide for the non-double die.

[@TheQuickSilver101]

I don't think either NCG or PCGS is generally great with their pricing. This coin was really out of whack, though. Thanks for pointing it out!

[@TheWinstonDouble]

I've seen their price guide show a double eagle in MS-60 is worth LESS than one in VF-20. Do your own research!

[@FreekingAwwsome]

​@@TheWinstonDoubleresearch research key to collecting and dealing agreed

[@_CYB0RG_]

@@TheWinstonDoubleCouldn’t that be because of the date and mint mark of each? Some double eagle mint mark combos are really rare.

[@TheWinstonDouble]

@_CYB0RG_ No, it was on the same coin. I think what happens is that any common date below MS-60 or so gets automatically updated if the price of gold moves like $5-10. But any common one that's MS-60 or higher needs a human update. You know how gold shot way up last year, right? Well, I think it went high enough that a cull showed it was more valuable than 60, 61, 62, and maybe even 63 because they hadn't manually updated those.

[@_CYB0RG_]

@ That’s one thing that bothers me about the NGC price guide. Coins that are rare enough to not sell often don’t get any sort of update as to their current value and current values can get mixed up because of lack of updating. Greysheet is more reliable for things like that it seems. PCGS is overvalued much of the time making it a turkey shoot for proper values. Coins like that you have to really stay on your toes and research values for yourself, I think.

[@jdsharp1366]

I've found 8 Wounded Eagle's after searching 85 boxes in about 18 months, although I haven't searched a box in about a year, none were in MS condition, sold them or put them up for auction on eBay, best sale amount out of the 5 coins I put up was around $60 and the best auction amount out of the 3 in the best condition that I put up for auction was almost $90. I've also found 32 SBA Wide Rim or Near Date Sm Dollars.

[@bucnbas]

I had a conflict with NGC on how they classified all the burnished silver eagles as M.S. for years after emailing and finally talking to a representative he said he would get back to me but never did . But this year they are using the S.P like the other graders . Lol

[@timgrant8729]

Someone dropped the ball and got it mixed up and was thinking about the speared bison on the nickels! Goes to show they have people working there that don't know anything about coins and are just doing what they are told.

[@paulbruney5091]

Great information as always! Thank you Sir Daniel!

[@djcorduroy]

Cool video, thanks! I'm starting to feel nostalgic toward Sacagaweas as an older millennial.

[@richardbelew6812]

It has been called "wounded eagle" since I first saw the coin YEARS AND YEARS AGO NGC! I THINK WHAT THEYRE DOING IS TRYING TO CREATE A FALSE DEMAND FOR THE COIN CALLING IT SPEARED INSTEAD OF WOUNDED. They been around long enough to KNOW we have been calling it wounded since the BEGINNING

[@paradislarry]

When I was selling off my dads collection & got myself hooked on Morgans, I became completely inthralled with the Morgan Vams. My addiction was on the 1900-0 Cam 29A ... Die Break ... I found those cracks etc. just so incredibly beautiful as I bought some Slabbed ones from E-Bay & when thinking about the early stamping of those coins. Hard times hit for me in 2018, & I had to choose between food, rent & my Silver Mogans, I sold just about every piece of Silver I owned, along with my 1942 Gibson Guitar. As often as I did not get what I had hoped, for some of the things I was selling, I was the most disappointed in what little the Vams brought. Have you done a video about Vams, would love to hear your opinion regarding Morgan Vams. Thanks

[@bucnbas]

@paradislarry Not to take anything away from Daniel but there's a guy named Brian who has a KZbin called nuismatic stacker he is so passionate about vams I think he's the best out there at this moment

[@wandlbaker]

I will go one step further. Full Torch, Full Steps, PROOF, Proof like, Deep Mirror, etc...ALL of those terms should be standardized. Whether it is the PCGS or the NGC term or some other term they need to be the same EVERYWHERE.

[@alberthanson1971]

This is what happens when a coin is 'hyped'. It's just like any of those coin ads in magazines, newspapers, on-line and television. You'll see words like, 'rare', 'unique', 'scarce', or any number of other words. The only people who seem to make any money from coins like this are the ones who started the hyping.

[@NumismaticStacker-z8x]

You cant even use greysheet anymore for buying coins, let alone pcgs suggested price. Comps tell you current market values! Another wonderful video

[@brooksrownd2275]

Can't wrap my head around people spending that much money a modern error variety.

[@Gumardee_coins_and_banknotes]

Australia has Rennicks as a catalogue guide, and we only base pricing on 1/3 to 1/2 what it says, as they are mostly over priced.

[@rvnmedic1968]

Bloody hell, Mite! Cheers from Syracuse NY! (Bob)

[@Gumardee_coins_and_banknotes]

@rvnmedic1968 lol. Too right cobber.

[@MarkA-Coins]

Thanks Daniel. Yea, I've never heard of the "Speared Eagle"...only the Wounded Eagle. Maybe NGC confused it with the "Speared Jaw" lol I'm kidding about them confusing it but there is a Speared Jaw 2000-P listed on Greysheet. I don't get why they can't ID those to the normal name. I looked at them all over and I only see NGC naming it the "Speared Eagle". gads. I guess for those who know, it will make them say gads..For those who don't, might cause some confusion. The price is a bit TOO HIGH also. I've never looked at the prices of NGC (PCGS as well) to be anything but HIGH retail.

[@_CYB0RG_]

@@MarkA-Coins Personally I think ‘speared eagle’ is a better description of the anomaly on the coin, but everyone has gotten used to using wounded eagle. It certainly seems like it best to go with the better known name.

[@josepchwill1304]

I had one I bought from you a few years back that graded MS66 PCGS.

[@RealtorInThe828]

Agreed, consistency is key. Thanks, Daniel.

[@mistiwhitea4896]

I used to really Love and enjoy coin collecting with my children and my grandchildren and I don't enjoy it anymore because of all of this stuff that's been going on these last 5 years.... It's really sad.....

[@jenihansen7201]

HAPPY NEW YEAR Daniel. Looking forward to purchasing more coins from you this new year.

[@CoinHELPu]

Happy new year!

[@Zaph0d]

Its an identified variety, doesnt matter what they call it, as its all a made up identifier anyway, my big problem is they slab it with the key face (the reverse) to the back of the tag

[@CoinHELPu]

It does matter, when every other professional and all other grading companies and variety guides, all it Wounded Eagle, then that is what it is.

[@mrvrose9999]

NGC is horrible with their updates of pricing.

[@Gumardee_coins_and_banknotes]

Too many coins and grades, not enough employees. Hopefully they adopt AI.

[@jp27whodey31]

I hunt dollar coins but haven't found the wounded eagle yet.

[@jaybee8858]

I've got four uncirculated that I have been waiting to send in to PCGS for almost a year now. Just haven't ever sent anything in to get graded before. I know I been slacking and have to do it now

[@davidlee5931]

I know what you mean. I've got a couple coins I've been wanting to send off, but it's honestly hard for me to trust the usps.

[@jeraldspannagel5289]

I have one and the left leg in the Feathers has that same die gouge . Possibly right after they tried to repair the Die .

[@jeraldspannagel5289]

It is not a scratch and is raised on the coin.

[@FreekingAwwsome]

Lol those graders got their commissions they could give a 💩 about dealers and collectors

[@michaelrichard1076]

I have a Sacagawea 2000 S You don’t see these often But now i have to become a coin expert and pay to get it graded and become a coin numismatic for them instead of staying in my lane as a photographer 🙈🙊🙉

[@CoinHELPu]

Unless it's a proof it's not a 2000 S. The US Mint minted over 4 million of those, so it's hardly rare or valuable nor worth having graded.

[@TheSteveBoyd]

I think that, as bad as PCGS' price guide is, it is 1000x better reference than NGC's. I don't even bother with their price guide.

[@cowhand6112]

My thinking. Yes it's different. Would I pay over $100 to have one? No. But I say "Good for you" if you're into these types of coins and want to pony up.

[@flippensweet3]

Wow. There is no way that coin would CAC

[@thevendordude]

Thanks for sharing Daniel! What would you consider a fair offer now for one in ms67?

[@CoinHELPu]

You must look up what they've sold for lately.

[@thevendordude]

@@CoinHELPu After looking at some different sources, I found the ms67 pcgs was still selling for almost $1,000. The ms66 pcgs was selling for under $300.

[@CoinHELPu]

@@thevendordude NGC examples are selling for less.

[@Reap-what-you-sow]

I was researching counterstamps cents , came across your video! I have one on a 1973 with the masons morning star stamped in the field. To my understanding it is a female masons interdiction commemoration peace ! Have you ever seen one?

[@Reap-what-you-sow]

Eastern star not morning star

[@CoinHELPu]

Yes, I have a couple and have sold many.

[@TheWinstonDouble]

Speared eagle is a better term, but you gotta stick with what people already know it as. This hobby is confusing enough with all the varieties to remember.

[@timothyscanlan3293]

How can I send pictures

[@bak606063]

Just started watching this channel a few weeks ago and it’s very interesting! Great job! *My wife wants to know your skin care routine, she said you the best complexion she’s ever seen on a man! **I was forced to ask that!! 😂

[@FreekingAwwsome]

Lol Mr Daniel Malone does have the fountain of youth going for him kind of like toning just like a coin 🪙

[@CoinHELPu]

I do have a secret, kinda, I do not smoke and I do not allow my face to be Sun burned. I used 70 to 100 spf Sun block. The Sun will age you fast. lol

[@bak606063]

@ I’ll let her know😂 TY

[@macarioacosta7767]

Good information!! Thank you Daniel

[@jacksmail7725]

Thanks for the heads up! Another excellent video.

[@michaelrichard1076]

Does anybody collect any more Or do they want that one coin to make them rich I’m just curious 🙈🙊🙉

[@brooksrownd2275]

There are always those people mostly interested in the Good Score that gets them on Easy Street. Probably a lot of overlap people with gambling habits.

[@rodbender6184]

It's speared and its in the chest.

[@CoinHELPu]

It’s not speared or wounded, it’s a die gouge. However all listing use wounded. NGC is wrong.

[@Supercheeseburger666]

So, it would be wise to sell them off when you can!

[@AntonioSerafica-k5d]

Sir are you buying an old coin

[@1011Shke]

Interesting ! Makes me wonder..🤔 Late last year i was going thru some of Dad's "box" of keepsakes and there were a couple rolls of these and other SBAs that i opened up and looked thru, researched a little, but i didnt find anything noteworthy so i took them to the bank ! 😵‍💫 I might have missed that "wounded" error. Oh well, another couple hundred $$ down the drain. HNY all !

[@brooksrownd2275]

You should have spent them at a store!

[@1011Shke]

​@brooksrownd2275 i did in the end. 🤣 Just don't fancy pulling out a couple rolls of coins to go buy dinner out !

[@scotthansen9081]

Well…..maybe confusion is good for the soul! 😂😂. Then again…

[@sierracharlie7293]

The Guy that paid over 11k will be relieved to hear its still worth a few hundred dollars...

[@CoinHELPu]

I messed up, the search brought up Cheerios dollars too.

[@CADRollHunter]

So, why is everyone else calling this the "wounded eagle?" It literally looks like the Eagle has been speared. If he was just wounded, I think I'd expect some bloody feathers or something... ;) Happy New Year!! Have a great 2025!

[@CoinHELPu]

Because it’s a die gouge, nothing speared anything. It was more of a wound from a scape not a spear or arrow.

[@CADRollHunter]

@@CoinHELPu Yes, of course, these types of die varieites are due to an inocuous die anomaly (chip, scratch, gouge, break, etc.), but we tend to name the more interesting ones based on what it looks like. This one looks like a "wounded eagle" or a "speared eagle," and so that's why it's called that. The grading companies are simply using a different nick-name for this die variety. The nickname "wounded eagle" isn't supposed to refer to a wound that the die has suffered, and NGC isn't trying to confuse people or make them believe that the image is actually of an eagle with a spear in it. It's just a nickname that describes the die variety. It's the same with the "spitting horse" (that horse isn't actually spitting, of course), or a the 1957 Canadian "bug tail" nickel. Not an actual bug, just a die chip.

[@CoinHELPu]

@ incorrect, these are all named as such because of their appearance, not just because it’s a nickname only. Also the die was “wounded” with a gouge, not speared. It doesn’t matter if NGC isn’t confusing on purpose, they’re the only entity calling it speared and that fact alone causes confusion. They just need to be on the same page. It should be called gouged eagle to highlight how it happened.

[@CADRollHunter]

@@CoinHELPu Daniel, I agree wth you completely that NGC should use the same name as everyone else for this particular die variety. It sounds like everyone else has been calling this a "Wounded Eagle" for a very long time. Using a different name is definitely confusing. But to be clear - nobody is suggesting the die was damaged with a spear - not even NGC.

[@TacticalMainframe]

Confusion is a tactic to make money.

[@sixfigureskibum]

Its still just chocolate

[@StephenKozlowski]

Thanks for sharing

[@timothyscanlan3293]

I found a nickel with sha😊des of copper on the front is this real

[@paradislarry]

So all the fuss about the Cheerios Sacagawea story, is now Debunked ?

[@CoinHELPu]

This isn't a Cheerios Dollar. How in the world did you get that from this video? You didn't watch all of the video, it would seem.

[@paradislarry]

@@CoinHELPu I watched it more than once, I guess I got confused when you were talking about the falling values, there were Cheerios on the price page you were comparing. Maybe my confusion.

[@paradislarry]

And you quoted all 3 of the Cheerios prices in your presentation.

[@CoinHELPu]

@@paradislarry no I didn't. I quoted the Speared on NGC and the Wounded on PCGS. Please stop this, I didn't say or quote anything about the Cheerios dollar. Look again.

[@paradislarry]

@@CoinHELPu WATCH your own video... you quote the coin you are talking about, being 11,000 in 2007, then you quote the 9000 & the 4000, (as your pointer is on Cheerios) as you declare the prices fell because of the discovery in rolls, you confused me, because I am here to maybe learn something I did not know before. WATCH your own video ... PLEASE do not get my original question wrong, you not realizing you were quoting the prices of Cheerios, on a video that you are claiming "Things That Confuse Collectors" I really like your videos, I click every one of them. Have a good day

[@southerncoinhunter]

Thank you

[@JamesH-j9d]

👍🏾

[@christinanapolitano6837]

I have one I’ll sell it now for that amount

[@CoinHELPu]

Have it graded. Those are graded values.

[@timothyscanlan3293]

And the same with a dime.

[@whiskey_tango_foxtrot__]

A very non beautiful w00ke inspired coin. Will never hold value long term.

[@TheWinstonDouble]

What's woke about Sacagawea? She wasn't politically involved at all. She just helped guide Lewis & Clark on their expedition. Probably the reason they made it back, and changed American history forever.

[@FreekingAwwsome]

No worries next year Scooby Doo might be next in a coin 😂