‘It’s baffling to me’ - why did the officer in the Chris Kaba case ever face trial?

[@jackburgess8579]

Absolutely no mention of the elephant in the room (the prosecution having been pursued only because the person killed was black).

[@ScruffyTubbles]

You know this for a fact do you? And your evidence please?

[@jackburgess8579]

@@ScruffyTubbles My evidence is the evidence you would have had if your faculties were sensitive to evidence.

[@ScruffyTubbles]

@@jackburgess8579 I look only at the evidence as presented. You've managed obviously to get funding too get A Levels?

[@ScruffyTubbles]

@jackburgess8579 It's not fair to ask me to give you basic lessons in critical thinking and the rules of evidence.

[@dogmadogma5398]

And importantly the officer was (the hated) white

[@stephenwaters7105]

kaba's family knew only to well what a violent criminal kaba was, and sought to hide that information. Sargent Blake has nothing to apologise for, he was doing his job, protecting the public and his colleagues. The fact that Sargent Blake now has a £20,000 bounty on his head from kaba's criminal gang, shows clearly what a vile individual kaba was and his cohorts are.

[@ScruffyTubbles]

This is knob-headed. The 'family' had no 'duty' to reveal or hide information (and from whom?). Sgt Blake is not apologising. This was not about family 'information' or apologies but only about whether there was a premeditated killing or not. That required a court hearing to resolve the question.

[@harrying882]

@@ScruffyTubblesyour definitely knobhead of the week look into the mirror and repeat, I’m a knobhead 100 times.

[@ScruffyTubbles]

@@harrying882 It is (It's) You're, not 'your'. The apostrophe counts for the 'a'.

[@mikegray8776]

@@ScruffyTubbles. Are you being purposefully stupid? There was never ANY QUESTION of pre-meditation …. there was not even any evidence that Sgt Blake knew WHO was driving the car. The manipulative family have only one interest in this case - COMPENSATION - and now that the truth is out there, their evil, deceitful and greedy plan is fully exposed.

[@Lifeofalondoner3567]

Right! They make me sick. They should be ashamed. As a black women, I am tired of black people crying wolf. It takes away from real injustices.

[@ktwashere5637]

I am appalled (but unsurprised) by the BBC and Guardian's handling of this case. He's a freaking gangster. Why would the black community be traumatised by the police taking him down. The black community should be grateful that someone terrorising their community has been dealt with. And please stop using the police officer's name.

[@vatsmith8759]

Most right-thinking people would agree that Chris Kaba did in the end receive justice.

[@splinterbyrd]

@@vatsmith8759 He was not sentenced to death. It might be unavoidable and the cops probably did the right thing as they saw it, but whatever it was it wasn't justice RIP

[@jiminverness]

@@splinterbyrd It was justice for the society he menaced. It's true it wasn't proper justice for him, as he never got the chance to suffer for his crimes.

[@FC-PeakVersatility]

​@@splinterbyrd not justice as we know it, no, but certainly justice as he handed it out.

[@splinterbyrd]

@@jiminverness I just feel uncomfortable about it that's all. It sounds like he wasn't given enough of a chance to surrender, the vehicle he was in wasn't going anywhere, and it is actually possible to shoot to disable someone. This is England not America.

[@jiminverness]

@@splinterbyrd _" I just feel uncomfortable about it that's all."_ Fair enough. Have you watched the video yet?

[@ReekieReels]

Even yesterday, after the officier was cleared, the BBC was still claiming that Kaba was "unarmed", he wasnt unarmed. If Kaba was unarmed, then the 911 hijackers were unarmed. The vehicle IS the weapon 🤷‍♂️

[@colinelliott5629]

Well, what do you expect from the BBC? Impartiality? However, how would Blake know Kaba was unarmed at the time?

[@jiminverness]

@@colinelliott5629 He was armed with a vehicle he was using as a weapon!

[@splinterbyrd]

@@ReekieReels I understood the vehicle had stopped, crashed into one vehicle and surrounded by others. Kaba couldn't have gone anywhere.

[@Inspector-Chisholm]

@@splinterbyrd He was trying to ram his way out with a two tonne vehicle. He ignored repeated commands to stop from an officer pointing a gun right at him.

[@Inspector-Chisholm]

Only a regime with malevolent intent would make these kind of decisions.

[@integinteg9222]

Why indeed. If I was a serving officer I would tell them to find someone else to do the job.

[@offshoretomorrow3346]

Poor Chris - a grown man and only one photo ever taken of him...

[@colinelliott5629]

I'm surprised they haven't recruited firearms officers from the black community to bump up the diversity quotas. There must be lots of aspiring young men in the area, who are already displaying an aptitude for guns. Kaba himself, for instance.

[@FC-PeakVersatility]

You wouldn't be the only one

[@jmcw9632]

Martyn Blake should take the CPS to court

[@stefenney3126]

A different scenario for those saying Kaba was unarmed. A Terrorist driving an Audi Q8 mounts the pavement and speeds up, driving at pedestrians in front. An armed Police offer standing nearby has the opportunity to shoot the driver. What action should the officer take ?

[@thinfourth]

The most important question is What colour is the driver

[@MZig-rw7su]

The CPS needs to be investigated and we need to know who is in charge? This Stinks.

[@Jezza_One]

Common Purpose have taken control of it.

[@FC-PeakVersatility]

What stinks is the press forcing them into releasing the officer's name thereby putting his life at risk for the sake of doing his job

[@chris-non-voter]

CPS bending the knee.

[@stephfoxwell4620]

And the rules.

[@DollyPocket]

It’s not that hard to understand. If your claim is that the police are systematically racist then you can claim pre-meditation. Neither the CPS nor weak politicians will seek any argument against the claim of racism in the face of black lies matter.

[@Trebor74]

It's pretty difficult to argue against something being racist,unless what you're saying is against a white person. You don't like 2 people,a black one and a white one. The black one screams racist,how do you defend yourself?you can't because if you're not overtly racist,you're subconsciously racist. You lose either way. The only way to win is not to play the game -wopr, wargames.

[@andrewcbartlett]

If you use your vehicle as a lethal weapon against another you should expect lethal force to be used against you.

[@piper081147]

The officer was offered up as a scarce. The pub fully expected him to be convicted as a sop to the community. Thankfully not all juries are corrupt.

[@ScruffyTubbles]

You omit the Judge's role in al this in conducting a trail that was unimpeachable and the directions they gave the jury.

[@andrewwhite3793]

The very fact the family fought to supress his past says more about their culture and of course when people will say Culture = Racism. His family playing the nice guy family man only makes it worse

[@ktwashere5637]

the mother saying nobody has the right to take someone's life needs to take a long hard look at the son she raised. Her son was one of London's worst gangsters.

[@NapoleonGelignite]

It’s not exactly true, it not ‘the family’ that decides what’s admissible evidence in court. The cop who did the shooting admitted he didn’t know who was in the car - so his background isn’t relevant.

[@andrewwhite3793]

@@NapoleonGelignite True but the go to response the day after the shooting was outrage yet when the fact came out about him a wall of silence.

[@NapoleonGelignite]

@@andrewwhite3793 - isn’t that always the case? I can’t blame families for believing their own story, but I do blame the media for promoting it as having validity.

[@andrewwhite3793]

@@NapoleonGelignite Yep ain't that the truth where our media don't report on the agenda they run it

[@vincentmckenna1755]

CPS needs scrapping

[@FraserBailey-jm5yz]

All our institutions need to be scrapped, as has been obvious for some decades now.

[@YesYes-xb6he]

Head of the CPS and all those involved, plus the DPP should be fired over this prosecution.

[@top20research]

You could make a case that a trial, not-guilty verdict and subsequent reporting of Chris Kaba's activities was the best possible outcome. It's left no room for doubt and exposed all the usual suspects from Mayor Saddo down as the grifters they are.

[@misskay8131]

Someone’s past doesn’t mean they should be shot in the head. What exactly makes you different from Chris Kaba when you are advocating for someone to be killed merely because you don’t think they are worthy of life? You’re outrageous and can’t hide your racism even in KZbin comments. I wonder how you navigate daily life in England, now that people of colour are the foundation of this country.

[@JFetch]

He was using his car as a battering ram. There was nothing else the police could have done. He caused his own death.

[@sillygoose9070]

'Forner advisor to Yvette Cooper' Seriously?

[@michaelgibson7466]

Perhaps the Prime Minister could give us his expert opinion on this and the workings of the CPS. He was,after all, the Director of Public Prosecutions, don't you know.

[@geeky_gunner]

His family wanted financial gain, and hense, why they tried to hush up his exploits. He lived by the gun and died by it.

[@LS-xs7sg]

The CPS probably knew that the prosecution would fail. But in a diverse society these matters become political decisions. They wanted to pass the buck to the jury and avoid criticism from “the community” in question.

[@qed456]

The jury had more backbone than the woke CPS

[@RobThomson-x8g]

Why bother being an armed copper? You're either guilty of murder or forced out of your job, with a proze on your head.

[@Trebor74]

Why did it go to court?pretty simple. No one can actually say the reason,though.

[@juicylouisey]

So the “Justice for Chris Kaba “ signs were just heavy duty irony?

[@rgrimshaw7850]

What is most frustrating about this issue is that no one is telling me (unless I've missed it ). 1/What were the specific grounds for the CPS to go forward with a prosecution for unlawful killing. 2/ What parts of policing operational procedure did the Officer not comply with - that might constitute gross misconduct

[@Ukboss1]

@@rgrimshaw7850 my exact questions until we know all this is useless

[@dogmadogma5398]

It is obvious to me. IT IS AS CLEAR AS BLACK AND WHITE

[@coolgranddad5430]

It made it to trial because it fit the "acceptable narrative" of a white officer and a black civilian. Other way around, we wouldn't have heard boo. The officer (if he's smart) will move far away, a different country would be good if that is an option, change his name and change his appearance (no plastic surgery), just do the beard, hairstyle stuff.

[@voonyboy]

Did the CPS submit case due to DE&I pressures from "above"

[@drlobomalo]

Because you speak English in the UK, leading to your rapid adoption of a new American religion based mostly on the veneration of black peopler as quasi-deities.

[@32shumble]

?

[@badlaamaurukehu]

​@@32shumbleThey've never been to France. The continent was exporting this fetishism long before it ever took root in the US.

[@abdisemed9640]

@@32shumble? Indeed.

[@dogmadogma5398]

Absolutely 100% spot on !

[@paulhwbooth]

Mr Shaw is very impressive - calm and rational.

[@keithwilkins1437]

If you think your life could be at risk you must be able to protect your life ,or should you wait until you are injured and possible killed . A split second decision is sometimes such a narrow difference no one can be sure . Hindsight is such a wonderful thing for the accusers . A lot of this trouble comes from the black community refusing to accept responsibility for their crime rate with encouragement from the ignorant media .

[@paulhwbooth]

Has the judicial system become politicised?

[@FraserBailey-jm5yz]

The judicial system was politicised many years ago, under Blair. This is what happens under all tyrannies.

[@williamkz]

Perhaps the possible malpractice investigation against Martin Blake should have been completed before the trial for murder. Presumably it could have been done relatively quickly and it might have given him some peace of mind knowing that he had acted correctly - as seems probable - although the results need not have been made public until after the trial.

[@chrisdiboll2256]

It doesn’t help that the best way for the heads of any police force to get their faces in the paper is to throw their guys and girls under the bus by calling them a bunch of racists. Of course some people think the met are racist, their leaders have been swanning about for years telling anybody who will listen that they are.

[@Nibbles-w8j]

They wrongly prosecuted because the govt was afraid of the backlash

[@wildwildwestima]

Why was he not expected to face trial?

[@NapoleonGelignite]

Cops do need to be held accountable- the Henry Stanley case where the Met shot ‘an Irish man with a gun in a carrier bag’ in back. It was in fact a Scot with a table-leg in a bag (that had just been repaired). The cops lied consistently about what happened- as the forensic evidence showed. The CK case is quite different and shouldn’t have been prosecuted.

[@NapoleonGelignite]

It’s classic narcissism. Nothing is ever their fault. The internet and media have produced ever increasing levels of self-obsession and entitlement.

[@billyb23]

Did the jury ask the judge to read a written statement, written by the jury or was this a false story.

[@lyntyler9639]

Yes, they wanted to say that they thought that the case should never have gone to trial. The judge refused.

[@Ukboss1]

​@@lyntyler9639were is this reported source pls

[@tomsmith6882]

How did the CPS watch the video of it & decide to prosecute. A notorious gangster who had shot a man in a pre planned shooting less than a week before failed to stop then tried to ram his way through armed police. What was the alternative course of action? Stand aside and let him come through, possibly shooting on his way through?

[@jpl2803]

This should never have gone to trial. It never met the required standard that there be a reasonable chance of conviction. I'm an Electrician, and I could have told the CPS no jury in the land would convict that copper. The crown had zero evidence to prove their case.

[@markdavies8381]

When justice is done, it is a joy to the righteous but terror to evildoers. One who wanders from the way of good sense will rest in the assembly of the dead. Proverbs 21:15,16

[@anthonygreenall8884]

CPS prosecuted because if they didn’t there would be rioting, and means all the facts could be fully revealed in public. And the officer suffered because of that

[@milo2324]

5:16 that man is talking shit. if I make complaint against officer, and his or her camera was not switched on, what then? It should be misconduct matter if they dont have camera on. they simple can say, I forgot, and face no consequences.

[@Ukboss1]

Yes correct

[@riboid]

Community pressure.

[@LindaManu-p8i]

Think. Consider these questions? 1. Which one of you will confidently drive the same car “Knowingly” that the very car - 6 days ago was used for robbery, murdering and other criminal activities? 2. The night club scene: the perpetrators in the night club were in all wearing masks. How can we tell it was really him? 3. Why didn’t the 10 officers shoot all four tires of the car to dismantle the car? If all of these officers shot the tires of the car, the worst thing that could’ve happen is the car explodes. But, chances are the car will not be moveable. If any kid is driving on the streets and 10 policemen with guns are chasing them, they’re first thought will be “Oh My God” I need to get home to my mother or wife. If I get out of this car these people will kill me here. Any person who is surrounded by 10 policemen with arms will be freighted, especially if they are by themselves. Kaba was confuse and afraid. Taking a shot directly to the forehead. This was aimed at, and premeditated, the aim was to slaughter. The officer thought, aimed the weapon and measured his shot. If this boy is a ruthless gangster and boisterously going around causing mayhem, as described by the police and media. He is still allowed by human rights law to have a trial, alive. Just like all the serial killers, murders and other convicts. Kaba is entitled to be trialed alive. This is pure once again and again, negligence and stereotyping by the system. This is, once again and again, distasteful by the media trying to smear his name and demoralize him. (Get off your high horses here people. We are not dealing with a big time, mafia mobster, human trafficker, pedophile or a murder. This boy has not murdered anyone. These are all assumptions and pure speculations. Really, get of your high horses, which apparently you are not even sitting on one.)

[@redskyatnight123]

Wow your vast superior knowledge shines through

[@lcamp934]

@LindaManu-p8i he was not a boy but a full grown man and old enough to do and know better

[@milo2324]

it is heartwarming to se the police as well, to experience diversity and not only Batley teacher,

[@chrismccartney8668]

Chris Kaba was a known gunman and vehicle had been used in Gun Crime so do just let them go !!!

[@WesternWomanUK]

Yes , why ?

[@edbaker515]

What's that phrase offen said, he was trowen under a bus, in this case it was a bulldozer,

[@stephenp4563]

Why did the witches ever face trials?

[@julianives6494]

B

[@gissie391]

I wish it never had happen but he played russian roulette with his life mr g as nster.i sont be mischievieous its genuine a point said police officer not that intrllectusl dont get it about fslse imprisonment garassment .im not violent but feared going out due to neighbour all night abdolutely twrrified .Its sad case parents had need i think litgitamately brought case but on conclusion after seeing all i think its good that officer cleared it came to trial im not sure guy showed lethal intent from what i saw he was ramming cars its sad sad sad but its right he got cleared i hope its all good at misconduct case i find hard gross misconduct but i wish police would challenge teachers more encouraging gangs remove literature like vilage with three corners and Johnnies tauk .im sorry huy was killed but i dont see innthis case police officer did much wrong .i dont feel so distressed now seen it .but its trafic sad .i dont think he rnjoyed doing that .he warned i could see him being aumed at its audi for goodness sake thats like maxi a blooming tank!!probably got a RAF marksman in cadets just put hands up .gsngsters ruin life fd4aw jids in its just imagination as child but not right way to go on follow thtough i wish police eoild chdllrnge liar teachers more .be more precise like screaming police officer after buer spat in face.i think its not like thart any more its improved more availibility to prosecute .yes my son was innocent .all kids were in knife crime.i wish they arrest t.etc .its schools they dont cooperatd parents at all encourage it sometimes deliberatrly sometimes neglectfully like teacher who lied about ackivking just said he needed to watch was was said but failed to say hed been assaulted called trzmp etc yelled at for coming in at tkme they said was ok i saw it.its right cps was thorough .i think it 2as becausd missed actual shooting out and its not needed because now they have piece case law no more guidelines casd law wil build up.

[@harrynewiss4630]

Is coz he wuz black?

[@ScruffyTubbles]

Quire simple 'how' it went to trial. However unsavoury the object of the trial and family, there was the suggestion of premeditated killing - even a shoot (first) and to kill policy within the Met. The Court and particularly the Judge that sat in it was pre-eminently qualified to look at this and direct a jury which they did. Any more questions by Uneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee qualifieds?

[@stefenney3126]

I hadn't heard or seen it reported anywhere that the Judge directed the Jury to return a 'not-guilty' verdict.

[@ScruffyTubbles]

@stefenney3126 ? Do you not know how a Court works? A judge can heavily hint a jury one way or another, without misdirecting. Even slightly implying their own opinion.

[@ScruffyTubbles]

@stefenney3126 The jury only retired for 3 hours I understand.

[@stefenney3126]

@@ScruffyTubbles Yes I do. I have given evidence in the Crown court on several occasions. The Judge can indeed direct the jury towards a Not-guilty verdict, especially when the judge believes that there is no case to answer, but he is not allowed to direct them towards a Guilty verdict. Your suggestion that he can direct one way or another is false.

[@ScruffyTubbles]

@stefenney3126 I didn't say that. If you've given evidence, how have you done it please? Are you a properly qualified Expert Witness? What type please? A Judge can 'move' a jury with their summing up. If you'd don't think so you are naive.

[@splinterbyrd]

The officer faced trial because this is England not America

[@flightcomputer2437]

Yes, because in England the police are persecuted by radical protest groups for doing their job, supported by clueless moral narcissists like you.

[@offshoretomorrow3346]

Keep on smirking.

[@flightcomputer2437]

@@splinterbyrd Another useful idiot parroting the TV.

[@maryrose4712]

Actually it's the opposite, the influence of BLM on England is the reason the officer faced trial.

[@Jezza_One]

A he was aquitted in 3 hours because it was a racially motivated prosecution.

[@alexgray2482]

Police should be held to account for their actions

[@stefenney3126]

As long as those actions are unlawful, which this wasn't.

[@alexgray2482]

@stefenney3126 yeah I agree in this case but we should be wary of giving them too much power

[@g.p616]

Quote -“Kaba’s background had no bearing on this trial”….. what utter nonsense. This thug’s character had every bearing on his actions, in being prepared to go to any lengths, even to kill, to escape!! What a FOOL this commentator is!😂

[@arfurascii2232]

The point is his background was not known to the officer, therefore his background had no relevance to whether the officer's action was legal or illegal, because the legality depends on the officer's beliefs about the circumstances at the time.

[@christinetipple6285]

What was the "ethnic mix" of the jury that found Kaba as guilty as sin?

[@stephfoxwell4620]

What was the ethnic mix of the CPS t that decided there was enough evidence to charge the copper with murder?

[@Casino-hc4qb]

Kaba was not on trial, clod.

[@stephfoxwell4620]

@@christinetipple6285 What is the ethnicix at the CPS?

[@christinetipple6285]

@@Casino-hc4qb Please re-think what I stated Casino; my true meaning is encoded within my original, deliberately absurd, comment. The jury unanimously recognised that the police officer involved in the shooting lawfully nullified the murderous live -action antics of an highly dangerous man. The officer was found innocent by a jury of British citizens who were no doubt of mixed cultural backgrounds. Had this not been the case, the over-zealous race - hate professionals in society would have gone into hysterical meltdown screaming "murder most foul". The flip - side to finding the officer innocent was to, simultaneously and unanimously, declare Kaba as guilty as sin.

[@christinetipple6285]

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