It’s not a money thing

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[@TrussingDoor]

It's not about the money. Some ben just want to watch the world burn.

[@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw]

Most people dont shoot enough to wear out a spring 😂 they might say they do.

[@footballdesk4417]

I like to say I do.

[@El_Peto]

I wear out the gas rings from time to time

[@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw]

@El_Peto I have bad gas too. LOL 😆

[@zen-Tii]

If I had as many guns as Ben I wouldn’t want to keep track of recoil spring round count either.

[@MsDasnake]

"It's about building your skills, not messing with equipment". I'm getting that framed and putting it in my guitar lesson studio.

[@reachblowsdick7222]

I practice a lot on my $150 Ibanez guitars, I've played on $2k to $5K Fenders, Gibson, Deans, PRS and honestly I don't feel like I play any better on the high priced ones. They sound a lot better but not faster or cleaner playing wise. Same with pistols, I'll shoot a stock Glock or Taurus as good as a Staccato, Atlas or Shadow 2.

[@John.VanSwearingen]

Critical thinking v. 30 years of Internet forums and ten decades of gun store lore. If pistols and coil springs were as functionally fragile as hobbyists-“gun guys” who don’t shoot seriously at volume-believed, we’d all be better off with sticks and rocks.

[@Mario_Craconni]

After you shoot XXtsd rounds, just buy another gun. Old one can retire in your safe to be now cared with oily cloth. You can now try new different gun. You save on springs 😅😅😅

[@Pappy7064]

Wait...What...we're supposed to change the oil in our truck? When?

[@El_Peto]

Same interval as tyres

[@vettepilot427]

Thank you for responding to my comment. It was interesting to hear your impressions of how much the recoil spring affects the feel of the gun. It's one of the main things that we tune when building guns for customers. I come from the old 1911 race guns where you can run recoil springs 10# or less (just like current Staccatos). If you have a 1# difference in spring rate change, you've reduced the capacity by 10% or more, so these tend to be replaced more frequently, especially with shooters that don't have as many guns on rotation. There's certainly nothing wrong with "if it's not broke, don't fix it", and I understand the need for the gun to run as consistently as possible. As a gunsmith, I suppose I'm more paranoid about that gun being in a known good condition before a big match.

[@robertpuckett5560]

It shoot Open Division and change all my springs once a year before match season starts.

[@UponGiantsShoulders]

The difference here has nothing to do with recoil springs. Its a methodology. One camp are heuristic, entirely, no data needed other than round count. After x round count, replace....Whereas the other camp are data oriented. Some data point, ie spring weight, or slide speed, or failure to go into battery, is the data point that the data camp use. This is about knowing something and learning something or having a rule that one follows that generally contains the feature set one wants. Ben is obviously a data guy. He wants to know something about his gun, not just follow arbitrary rules that might work, he wants to know what works and why not just follow some rules. No clue why that is hard to understand.

[@tmgjurassic3738]

My Staccato P quit going into battery after 11k rounds, I bought 3 replacement springs from Dawson for $11.

[@piouswhale]

Suffered from the P320 symptoms eh

[@rolotomase1440]

I used to shoot a G4 Glock 34 in Production and shot USPSA like a part time job. At the end of the shooting season - around September- I'd clean, and replace all the springs in my gun. I wasn't exhausted by it and I doubt it took even 1% of my total effort. YMMV.

[@hansjurgen]

Long ago (like Ben) I carried a Beretta and was responsible for the fleet of schoolhouse guns for new trainees to beat on before getting their credentials and actual duty gun. We didn't change recoil springs pre-emptively and none of the guns that had issues were explicitly only because of the spring. That said of the numerous locking blocks and couple cracked slides without fail their springs would gauge out of spec as well when we we had them serviced to get rid of the red tag. I would conservatively estimate any of those guns to be 50k+ if not 100k+. My personal guns the only spring that I've had shit the bed was a Beretta trigger return around 8k.

[@BenBelkin]

“In the Ferrari or Jaguar, switchin' four lanes, With the top down screamin' out, money ain't a thang” - Benny Stoeges

[@hunterthompson6295]

Thats what all SIG shills would say.... Jk love you and the content Ben

[@dankinsler1930]

You know you're a gun guy when your hotel room has two beds. One for you and one for your guns.

[@dtomamerican3471]

Out of curiosity. When you have a similar gun with low round count "match gun" doesn't that impulse feel different than the training gun? I know it's different circumstances for me and what I'm doing versus what your doing for work. I just change my springs across the board every Interval cuz in my head it is making sure the gun is in tip top shape for duty/ defensive use. Appreciate the conversation

[@buscaderoticonda7270]

I just got a spring gauge after watching the previous video - mostly as a QC check on new replacement springs. If a 13lb spring loses .5 lb over time I don't think that changing the spring does anything useful to the gun, it just makes the shooter feel like he's taking care of his equipment. I get it, I baby my guns too, but the fixed service interval for recoil springs sounds like low value recommendation.

[@kellyBorgman]

Not the recoil spring but i do change 1911 single stack magazine springs. But not on a set schedule, only when the slide wont lock back. And occasionally Glock magazine springs too.

[@stovepipe8966]

Once I tune a load to my match gun , I don’t change anything until the gun stops performing typically. I train enough that’ll know if something is off - like accuracy in a barrel or a change in recoil that impacts my timing on the dot . I don’t have a round count maintenance schedule for any part in particular.

[@gordo3697]

Maybe a better analogy how often do you have to change your shocks and struts wheel hub or motor mounts?

[@onpsxmember]

If you only drive on sundays, maybe after a few decades when the rubber is crumbling. Doing rallye time trials? A lot more. But the analogy doesn't work that well. Guns aren't cars. A lot more vibration, varying amplitudes, hydraulics...

[@El_Peto]

I've broken transmission mounts with a dozen hard launches

[@straightersolutions]

You’re supposed to change your recoil spring??? Dang!

[@MitzvotTV]

Ben, something that make some guys shut the bleed up (or could troll them even harder) is taking a spring gauge to your recoil springs to show how much wear they actually get; like your G34s, take the highest round count one and compare it to the lowest round count to see how the recoil spring has held up over its lifespan

[@bigmcrunfast]

Ben keeps vindicating my laziness by confirming that you never have to clean your striker fired pistols or swap recoil springs.

[@evildevo714]

It’s less like the oil in your truck and more like breaking in boots. Once your boots are broken in, don’t fuck with em.

[@nathanbrand1]

This seems similar to pro hockey players. They will do anything to avoid getting new skates during a season.

[@slotrans17]

Mag springs get changed as insurance. Recoil springs don't.

[@johnb7430]

My gun gave a surprise last week with a broken recoil spring. Broke in 2 places. It was at least 3 years old but I only do 15k rounds a year.

[@onpsxmember]

What pistol and what do you feed it? 45k isn't nothing.

[@RimfireAddicted70]

You have to be open to the idea that all companies are going to use marketing to sell their products. All he's doing is saying it has been shown time and again in multiple platforms you can safely shoot past the recommended change time frame and he explains the benefits of doing so that he sees. Now, Ben is going to be more sensitive to the gun's handling characteristics than many people but with this information in hand I'll bet more are inclined to try it and notice what he is saying is true.

[@joeyassyrian]

It's not about the spring, it's about battering the slide, it's not really a problem unless you shoot a gun over 50k rounds without doing so... only seen this a problem with glocks and beretta 92s personally and mostly gen 4 glocks (it may crack the slide).

[@hansjurgen]

I commented to this point as well, of all the high round counts academy/schoolhouse Berettas I had that shit the bed with locking blocks and cracked slides everyone of them had a recoil spring that was no longer in spec and very likely led to the gun becoming hard deadlined from it beating itself to death.

[@annonymouslibertairian9120]

As a mechanical engineer I would bet you are only going to see the spring get softer. It will loose a small percentage to break in, then stay consistent until the spring is exhausted or fails. So your 13 lb spring probably starts out at 13.25 lb. Then it settles around 13 for a lot of rounds. Then you will know that it has reduced, we'll say to 11 for example, when the slide stops cycling correctly. Probably failure to eject. My point is the spring will tell you when it needs to be replaced.

[@jordanwilliams6972]

They'll stop feeding properly/stop going into battery but otherwise yeah you're 100% right, the whole "measure your springs with a caliper or a poundage meter is crazy anal lmao

[@onpsxmember]

Checking once a year doesn't hurt. If it starts impacting on the frame it tells you too late. So I ask once in a while if it is tired by length. Sometimes the spring would last but the guide rod gets wonky and the end coils deform. If it passes, it stays.

[@annonymouslibertairian9120]

@onpsxmember maybe checking before a big match. That would be a bad place to find out you need a new spring. But I am not sure what damage could be caused by the spring. Maybe if the guide rod is bent or out of center. But I would check the sl8de itself as a cause for frame damage.

[@joesephkingston1621]

It will cost more money in ammo to get the new recoil spring set to its happy place for consistency than the new spring.

[@69Clay420]

You know it’s going to be a good video when Ben’s hair is still wet

[@Airondot]

Ben the answer is right in front of you. You need to change the recoil spring before it’s through that initial break in, let’s say every 1,500- 2,000 rounds. That way the recoil impuls remains the same and you get to spend a bunch of money replacing perfectly good parts

[@El_Peto]

Someone might pay extra for a Ben Stoeger used spring

[@kenwickes2497]

Thank you for explaining, but not explaining, why "After 1,000 rounds" reviews are dogshit.

[@jimbodrums12]

Change it with Daylight Savings Time…. ….”Spring Forward”. (dad joke) I will patiently await my banning from Ben’s comments….sorry…I just had to.

[@lordhellfire153]

Ask these idiots the last time they changed the shocks on their daily. Or their transmission fluid, or differential oil, or cleaned out their fuel tank of sediment. If you're so gungho that "recoil springs are like changing the oil" then you clearly follow the manufacture suggested intervals everywhere else, right?

[@El_Peto]

Rear shocks 2021, transmission fluid November 2023, differential oil, November 2023, air shocks. Did rebuild motorbyke forks last year Recoil spring change? Hahaha I even change out my brake and power steering fluid.

[@lordhellfire153]

@@El_Peto you're basically proving my point: even you know the level of maintenance you're doing isn't what most normal people will do.

[@El_Peto]

@@lordhellfire153 I rebuilt my own gearbox just to see if I could But I tell people, stay up on all your maintenance. For all the machine guns I work with, we have inspection criteria

[@dutch4260]

I've actually broken a recoil spring on my P226 Legion DA/SA. I don't know why but it decided to split into two pieces while firing. The gun still functioned but when I went to take it apart to clean it I discovered the spring had been snapped in half for god knows how long. The round count is unknown but it was definitely over 1k.

[@woodroez]

that sounds like a defect revealing itself rather than standard wear-and-tear-based failure. Damaged wire or a bad heat treatment or something. Gun's just getting broken in at a thousand rounds.

[@dutch4260]

@@woodroez Well, this was after a year of having the gun so I wouldn't say it was only 1k. I'm genuinely not sure but it's more than 1k, I know that's not very helpful but I don't keep track of rounds and I'm not very autistic when it comes to numbers.

[@tacticalclochard]

Never occurred to me that this could be a problem or something to regularly change (like the trigger spring) as long as there is no problem. Got some non-OEM progressive recoil spring in my Shadow 1 for over 20k rounds now and the slide goes back into battery every single time.

[@Jamesfort3520]

Never changed a recoil spring on any of my firearms ever.

[@stevenkennedy4130]

Do you shoot much? Just askin'.

[@Jamesfort3520]

@@stevenkennedy4130 USPSA, IDPA Been Shooting USPSA since 1986, Started in IPSC in 76, IDPA since 2021 CRO, RO and SO 500 to 600 rounds a month. I have shot various 1911'S have 2 now, Have 8 Glocks, 1 Sig 226 and a few revolvers so ya I shoot much🥸

[@stevenkennedy4130]

I'll get a new recoil spring when I 1st buy a used gun. After that, it's a nothing burger. Thanks for the share!!

[@rannot4611]

When cleaning the gun, measure or compare its length against the new spring. If it is notably shorter, it would be good idea to replace because of enough fatigue has developed in it. I think springs are usually tested 100K to 500K sets but since there are lot of factors in play - design, ammo, lube, weather... it all affects its fatigue development. Just my .02c.

[@UponGiantsShoulders]

Most of us will never put those serious round counts on guns and some people just cannot imagine that a spring can push 100K rounds and still do its job. I know one thing from my own stable of guns.... I enjoy shooting my guns with higher round counts, more. Is that the recoil spring... maybe. But why change something when they shoot... better?

[@Mako-sz4qr]

Smith and Wesson new comps out the box perform as they should no changing shit. It’s ridiculous to have to change springs on a new sig gun. No Sigs for me !

[@sdsorrentino]

Whatever happened to “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it?”

[@DaveGrawl]

I have a Sig P220 I got in 92, and it still has the original spring, and I used that gun in IDPA for at least 6 years, before moving to a P226.

[@comacoda]

Makes total sense, keeping the main thing the main thing.

[@kylehill4437]

Hi Ben, Love your videos quick change of subject. Could you talk about how do you travel with your handguns and ammo? Any lessons learned or tips? I feel like airlines will be difficult. Thanks man

[@Duda4711]

Bring your pistol unloaded and the ammo on its original box to the airline counter in a lockable case that is TSA approved. Simple as that!

[@wvlongshooter3912]

It’s always about the money with these guys. It’s why they don’t shoot enough to become even a true C class shooter. They also get jealous of guys that buy high end firearms and are jealous of a guy that shoots 50k rnds or more a year. Ole, I can’t afford that amount of ammo or I can’t spend 5k on a firearm. Cry me a freaking river!!!!

[@DocHudson420]

What are you yapping about?

[@tylerfrogley1227]

That’s fair

[@ikemouser2580]

I just got my first gen5 G17 and shot probably 300 rounds through it. I had at least 10 failure to feeds, the alide wasnt getting back far enough. I thought it was the weak training ammo but after 100-200 rounds of carry ammo, same thing. Is this just tightness in the gen 5 stock spring? Do they loosen up overtime? My shooting is solid, mamy years training, not user error

[@Dilemma6796]

Based on your description, something is wrong with your gun; contact Glock.

[@vaughnsadekni665]

I have had issues with a stock recoil spring on a Gen 5 Glock 26. That really shouldnt be happening right out of tge box let alone after the claimed round count.

[@MyCatCarriesAGlock]

Sorry if it was mention, but has Ben actually used a gauge on a used RS vs a new RS? I'm curious to see what the poundage between the two is.

[@onpsxmember]

Nah, Joel had one on the chat to see how the spring changes. It also helped him to determine how far off the springs are that are sold and how long it takes till they stay at a certain value.

[@notyou2935]

I would imagine he doesn't care. He cares if it still works.

[@williamcooper2496]

What about rifle buffer springs?

[@FirstLast-ff7qx]

SpringCo or geissele n forget about it.

[@stevenkennedy4130]

Strike Industries flat wired springs here.

[@alexanderchung6402]

My experience with Army M9s tell me otherwise but I trust your experience 👍

[@Dilemma6796]

Interesting point. I don't think Ben is talking about .mil Unit Armory issued and maintained guns. The average Mil Unit guns are maintained on a strict schedule because of the nature of issuance and variety/number of users. Not to mention, not knowing what the clown before you did to the gun before it was issued to you for qual or duty.

[@glefos3917]

The people saying to change recoil springs at 5k interval are likely shooting

[@Adcomb]

Wrong. Gunsmith here. Changing recoil springs every 2-3k rounds is imperative if you don't want to see premature barrel and slide wear. So sick of seeing this kind of disinformation spread by posers like Ben. Get off the range and back on the bench where you belong.

[@gansior4744]

I mean , Glock Gen 5's with a spring after 10-15k is like the most pleasant handgun to shoot. Yet to try a handgun that shoot as good

[@Duda4711]

I am sorry to hear that a Gen 5 Glock is the nicest pistol you have ever shot.

[@chrisragone8785]

If a Glock is the nicest pistol you’ve ever shot you haven’t shot many guns 😂

[@onpsxmember]

@@chrisragone8785 He said pleasant not nicest. They have some of the lowest recoil and shoot flat. One doesn't have to like them a lot to see that.

[@Adcomb]

As a gunsmith, to any of you new shooters watching this video please dont let this charlatan lead you down the wrong path. Clean and properly lubricate guns before and after every firing, change all springs every 2k rounds, focus on the front sight. Most importantly get out there and have FUN gang!

[@Adcomb]

Gunsmith here, I change my recoil springs every 2k rounds. Anyone who tells you otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about. If you don't do this, you're going to damage the slide.

[@Dilemma6796]

**Troll Detected**

[@Adcomb]

@Midgard-training as a gunsmith trained at SDI, im qualified to tell you to sit down, grown ups are talking.

[@Adcomb]

@@Midgard-training we know who you are. We will find you.

[@vaughnsadekni665]

Yeah we already saw that you posted. No one cares. Bye👋

[@rannot4611]

Really, so the manufacturer doesn't know anything? Please tell what are the metrics of damaging the slide according to its design and how it incorporates to spring fatigue? Maybe measuring the spring would be the correct way, you could get a new faulty one, too.

[@iHaveSmallPPButBigDreams]

Like p diddy said, it’s all about the Benjamins baby