It's not that it's different, it's that it's braindead | Cowboy Bebop Netflix Spoilercast & Review

[@Jaimethepanda]

“I can improve The Mona Lisa” Art student

[@ZeOHKay]

Everybody talking about an "inevitable" season 2 aged so poorly so fuckin fast, and I'm so happy about that.

[@henrybuehler7585]

You guys are just hating on this show because its bad

[@StarkMaximum]

"You guys would love this show if it were good!"

[@benjamintherogue2421]

"If this show was just completely different, it could have worked! Come on guys!"

[@antoine1486]

“If they didn’t completely blow it, you guys wouldn’t hate it so much!”

[@Vee_Sheep]

always love a GB podcast that opens with an intonation of emptiness and pain

[@lvp7868]

I saw a screenshot of Vicious in a car and thought he looked like Weird Al. And though I've only watched six episodes of the anime so far, I don't think that's the vibe he's suppose to give off.

[@Vee_Sheep]

oh god, i googled what he looks like in this version it's like... Dante's hair, Vergil's edgelord disposition and the overall vibe of Weird Al (and one shirtless image where i'm reminded of "Ben Swolo") wtf happened here??

[@TerrenceNowicki]

The character in the anime is someone whose response to betrayal was to abandon their ideals, become completely cold, and, in order to fill the void, focus all their energy on the meaningless, sociopathic acquisition of power for power's sake. That could definitely be expanded into a larger role, if necessary, but instead of doing that, the remake just replaced him with generic angry man, I guess because a character like I described would have taken some effort to develop and write.

[@HarrisBoe]

Vicious literally has a scene where he answers his cellphone and answers with a cheerful “moshimoshi?” It’s genuinely confusing what they did to him.

[@sgtjonmcc]

@@TerrenceNowicki No they didn't replace him with generic angry man they replaced him with a soy boy beta cuck. Vicious in the Anime barely speaks says only what he thinks needs to be said and nothing else, he's stoic and callous. If he wanted you dead you'd know instantly, there is no unhinged spousal abuse he would just slit your throat and walk away without saying a word.

[@Sonicfalcon16]

To ne fair idk how you do vicious in live action

[@dmen0563]

I'll say something nice about the actor that played Vicious: he's fucking great in the tragedy of Macbeth, he was just miscast and the writing did him no favors

[@onedudeJG]

The Netflix series feels like a group of cosplayers got together and decided to film a series by using what they remembered from watching it 20 years earlier...

[@parissmith5727]

Mason Studios did that 50x better with no budget, only they're clearly fans of Cowboy Bebop where the Netflix crew seems to actively despise it.

[@LucLightWolf121]

Bingo!

[@kiwami5604]

My favorite scene in the Netflix series was when they were at the bowling alley. I thought it was genuinely kinda sweet when they threw that impromptu birthday party for her, even if it was out of character for Spike and Jet. I honestly think if the show focused on Spike, Jet, and Faye going on original adventures then it could've been at least passable. Everything with Vicious and Juliet was the worst part of the entire show, and the iconic moments it tried to recreate were just depressing.

[@somebunny2619]

That was completely OOC and missed the entire point of the anime. It's purely bad fanfiction for stupid people.

[@Sue_Me_Too]

Hmm respect the characters.... Original adventures.... You have until 5pm to return your security badge and empty out your desk.

[@ThexDynastxQueen]

Jet trying to slowly forge a new family IMO would've worked there more as having him to care about Faye so quickly felt weird as they barely do bounties together. I don't need beat for beat anime Jet, we have that so show me you get him in your take. Way less Vicious and Julia would've helped greatly as their just ghosts, they don't need to be more than that, hush.

[@EvilLucario]

The first ever official 0/40 or 0/50, confirmed worse than a McRib.

[@adamb2216]

This live action just prompted to watch the anime again and ignore the live action’s existence.

[@kaizakira]

I just finished the live action last night and I’m ready to rewatch the anime right now to purge this from my mind permanently.

[@VLdrum]

Same. I could only make it through the first episode and I immediately switched over to an anime rewatch. Comparing even the first episodes, the anime is infinitely superior in every conceivable way. Literally every creative decision completely missed the point of what made the anime great.

[@fentoozler2565]

When I saw that the beginning of the show was taking place on a casino planet I was like omg Faye is gonna be in there- but no- missed opportunity to have FAYE, THE GAMBLER, in a fucking casino. I wrote the whole show off right then and there. Fuck Netflix.

[@ShinyMew888]

The only joy to be found in all this is when someone says something and KZ and Bob start cackling in unison. That grants me so much serotonin

[@mrminecraftcubeable]

They made jet a black guy Then they changed his backstory so he is a deadbeat dad I feel bad for the actor

[@OceanbornAngel]

I love how they were saying in interviews with the actress and creatives that they didn't want to sexualize Faye Valentine but they made her sexualization far worse than the Anime.

[@CrocvsGator]

I know this is a late response, but if they wanted Faye to like women, they should have had her hit on the mechanic lady and get brutally rejected. That way Faye is still a loser, but she gets her gay moment.

[@goeticfolklore]

They’re full of those contradictions. Take Julia, Shin calls her “Julia-sama” implying she’s higher ranking than him. She is a great fighter, a parallel to someone like Faye displayed thematically multiple times. They reduce her to a bar singer domestic violence victim turned evil to be “progressive”??? What’s progressive about that, if anything it’s less progressive.

[@xAssailantx]

I was done like 1 minute in when Spike kicked the coin at the bad guy. It felt like I was watching one of the Charlies Angles movies from the 2000s. The animated version felt less cartoony and more grounded in realism than this piece of trash.

[@KaregoAt]

It was so corny and unbelievable. Even at its wildest the action in Bebop was always grounded in reality.

[@LordLucario12]

​@KaregoAt And even when it got silly it was more in a Hong Kong Kung fu movie way than literal cartoonishness

[@6packproductions710]

Netflix confirmed they will not be doing any further seasons. We got 'em.

[@HellecticMojo]

See you guys at the live action One Piece.

[@dudejoe24]

And the YYH LS

[@Vee_Sheep]

@@dudejoe24 excuse me, there's gonna be a Yu Yu Hakusho adaptation??

[@dudejoe24]

@@Vee_Sheep some in the GB discord mentioned it and yes it's a thing that's happening and coming out in 2023

[@Vee_Sheep]

@@dudejoe24 i believe we're in, as the zoomers say, "the darkest timeline"

[@dudejoe24]

@@Vee_Sheep yea this basically the new version of bad "video game movies left and right" but with anime

[@jameschu8376]

Netflix are systematically murdering all my favourite franchises, Altered Carbon, Wheel of Time, Cowboy Beebop, I mean at this point it's starting to feel personal, like they went through my list of favourite things and are going out of their way to destroy each and every single one of them.

[@fentoozler2565]

wheel of time is on amazon prime not netflix but yes it still sucks

[@jameschu8376]

​@@fentoozler2565 Ahah I stand corrected thank you, well between Amazon, Netflix and HBO there are a number of companies that seem hell bent on destroying everything they touch.

[@tbxvividos]

@@jameschu8376 altered carbon was so great up until the deus ex machina at the end of season 1, and all of season 2 =( rip

[@benjamintherogue2421]

@@jameschu8376 It's ok, the complete destruction of our storytelling culture goes beyond just Netflix, so it's no surprise it's all starting to blend together.

[@MrSuckeragi]

Altered Carbon season 2 was so bad, mainly because I really enjoyed the first season - but also because it was WOKE garbage

[@jasonpabstract4384]

I watched episode 1 and couldn't even get mad. It's exactly what I expected. I knew it would be this bad.

[@GigaBoots]

The problem is that it gets so much worse from there.

[@WW3DraftDodger]

I walked away from the TV when Faye showed up.

[@fabiangermanic1148]

@@WW3DraftDodger smart man

[@tbxvividos]

ah yes. those were the good times. when i'd only seen 1 episode and thought the show was only as bad as i expected it to be.

[@Ssalamanderr]

Yeah the trailers looked absolutely terrible, it was obvious this would be all Marvel-isized

[@punpunchan734]

the worst part about this whole series is that all the episodes that were uploaded to youtube of the original series that haven't been deleted for like a year have disapeared

[@superdragonite1000]

As a one piece can I’m worried about the live action show that the same people are making

[@KaregoAt]

I absolutely love One Piece. I don't understand how people are so optimistic about it. They couldn't even do Bebop any justice, how can they handle a show that's a million times more cartoonish and outlandish, not to mention insanely long? They're gonna have to do a snapshot offshoot story reminiscent of a filler arc and it's gonna be awful. I don't see them doing anything creative or memorable.

[@urameshitrev1851]

This is probably the angriest Spoilercast we've gotten...but hey at least we can laugh at this for a while lol And keep in mind they had Spoilercasts for Days Gone, Astral Chain (Which is very inspired by Eva, Blatantly so) and Last of Us Part 2.

[@TheVegeta67]

Got into an argument with some bozzo on Twitter about Netflix Cowboy Bebop who said "Netflix Cowboy Bebop has more merit to itself than the Evangelion Rebuild movies". The defenders are coming in already hitting hard with their bad takes.

[@parissmith5727]

There aren't many defenders, at least. My recommended videos are beyond universally negative, they're downright malicious in their critiques (rightfully so).

[@TTTac]

Anyone remember when they first announced the casting and they said ein was gonna be a German Shepherd and the fans spoke up then when the first cast member video was out it was ein the corgi good times

[@jessemartin7718]

i'm not watching it. never wanted to know what horrid shape this adaptation would take and i feel like listening to this is even too much.

[@byronbutterfield]

Good idea. I tried and quit at episode 6. This was way too long. I kept wanting to see more of Ein and any of Edward.

[@Sonicfalcon16]

"I refuse the carry that weight"

[@jrac6712]

I almost threw up at KZ describing what they did to Mad Pierrot

[@genericsavings]

I never got into Bebop back in the day(was a Eva fan), but I’m loving all this vehement hatred for this show. Lol Even though I wasn’t a fan of this show, it influenced me in 2 ways: I owned 2 corgis and Cats on Mars is so meme before memes.

[@Skycrusher]

I grew up with Bebop, never did watch Eva. Not that I didn't like it, I just.....never watched it. I heard about it, but it was just one of those anime's I looked over in favor of another, with limited free time and all, you have to pick which ones you watch. Sure I could go back and watch it now, but it's not the same as a defining trait in very developmental years of your life. Weird thing is, I love Kaijus, I love mech suits, I love bizaro incongruent wtf why is this even ok now we'ere at this point bat shit crazy if only well written plot lines/twists......NGE seems to have everything I'd like.

[@genericsavings]

@@Skycrusher I tried Bebop(anime) recently and I got bored by episode 9. I’m not knocking it, but its probably cause I’ve outgrown it. I’m pretty sure if I watched Eva again, it’ll bore me as well. We’re the same, but on the opposite sides of the fence. 😉

[@MukiMuki688]

At least Yoko Kanno came back. Made a guitar cover video for the ending theme, The Real Folk Blues.

[@Volt790]

I'm loving these combos of Weeaboots/Weeaboomers that are so fun & good & then it goes into a depression sequel

[@Sonicfalcon16]

And cursed content club

[@zasderder]

That tree scene is gonna haunt me In my dreams

[@sapphirethedude2010]

I appreciate you guys giving Mason Alexander Park (Gren) credit where credit is due. They did really well.

[@benjamintherogue2421]

Well, considering they created that character for him explicitly to play and moved everything around to give that character his own scenes, it shouldn't be a surprise.

[@sapphirethedude2010]

@@benjamintherogue2421 I mean I guess, but I appreciate it when people talking about Netflix Bebop talking about Gren make a clear distinction that it's the writing's fault and don't put anything on the actor. Also the actor goes by they/them, just for future reference.

[@nickn271]

This is my favorite review of my least favorite live action adaptation of my most favorite TV show ever.

[@norwardradtke1361]

Fighting is terrible too, so awkward. God damnit this show is so terrible literally everything about it is bad. I slowly got drunker and drunker watching it to try and numb the pain.

[@Seahawk1994]

Aaaaaand it's cancelled!

[@DanBickeru]

I'm extremely late to actually watching this but Spike being asian actually does have some basis in the original beyond filling a diversity quota. According to Shinichiro Watanabe Spike's design and personality were heavily based on the Japanese actor Yusaku Matsuda, specifically his character Shunsaku Kudo in the show Tantei Monogatari, and the tie-in manga Cowboy Bebop Shooting Star has another character describe Spike as being oriental. So yeah he has a Jewish name but to me I just take that as a sign of him being mixed race.

[@arkseaside4404]

I mourn the halcyon days of your Weaboomers predictions

[@CrimsonEmbers]

Cursed Content the entirety of either High Guardian Spice or RWBY, as they both also capture what it means when project leads don't understand why something is cool.

[@KaregoAt]

Oh man, High Guardian Spice is such a nothing show that isn't about anything. None of it works. Before looking into some reviews/rants I was under the impression that it's aimed at young kids, not rated TV-MA for some nonsense reason.

[@sonicboomers122]

Netflix One Piece is going to be fun. Cowboy Bebop could have worked. at it bones it is a serious sci-fi story they need not actually adapt. You change something to make it work in a different media. There nothing that is in animation of Cowboy Bebop that could not be done with CGI and actors. Luffy BY HIMSELF is going to be a bitch. His character and his powers. Luffy as an excitable upbeat idiot will get overplayed we might see Netflix Bebop ED Luffy variant, Stretching powers has never worked in live-action, it is suppose to be goofy and charming but will most likely be creepy, These two points put together results in problem three. Luffy in Manga is always stretching and doing something goofy. One piece design top to bottom to be manga.

[@keylessbaton4758]

Great start to set the tone

[@Sue_Me_Too]

Chiappa revolvers look kinda dumb - and they've got a lot of plastic and aluminum in the frame.... BUT they *do* resemble the Mateba Unica 6 in the most superficial way possible.

[@uncleclaps44]

my cut off point was watching menopause survivor try to be flirtatious and racist in the same sentence with the attitude of the writers, shameless and desperate.

[@behemothokun]

I haven't watched it, but now I am morbidly curious if I should watch it.

[@fentoozler2565]

My curiosity got the better of me so I actually watched it, and I REGRET IT.

[@OtherMomo]

I wanted to like the show so much, that I gaslit myself into believing that the Fearless codename was a detail from the original series I just forgot. I was a dumb baby when I saw it originally, likely still haven't seen EVERY episode in its entirety yet, maybe I just didn't know.

[@J.S.3259]

I can't believe Karl Taro Greenfeld was a writer on this shit. I was reading his incredible nonfiction book on Japan during the 90's, SPEED TRIBES, while first watching the true series in 2001

[@Brijustmeh]

I watched the 1st episode and then I turned it off. It was so bad.

[@fentoozler2565]

I made it as far as the bicycle kick in the casino and had to turn it off and take a break for a few days, then go back lol

[@kumajin3621]

"And then we have cupcakes?"......

[@mybrainfellasleep]

On god. I will buy that shirt please im begging

[@ShadowWolfRising]

It should tell everyone, TV AND FILM MAKERS MOST OF ALL, That one of the only good Live Action adaptations of a manga/anime, is Alita Battle Angel, which changed damn near nothing. And yet writers seem to consistently ignore this fucking lesson, and given these things are supposed to make money, would ignore these lessons. "Someone that stole everything from a Manga/Anime thinking their Producers won't know anything about it." You basically described the Comic 'Diesel' Which literally just stole from Jojo (It is obscene how much it stole and had the gall to pretend it didn't.). Mr. Feel: Making the character Japanese who is implied to be Jewish in the original. Yeah, I also felt like it was a missed opportunity there. You don't have many Jewish leads in general, and even less in Action Hero roles. Given all of this, I expect that Yu Yu Hakusho and One Piece's Live Action shows will be better than this. Also How do you fuck up the insane, Round, Gun Cane, PSYCHIC POWER WIELDING Murderer!? Literally everything about him was perfect as he was, why change ANY of that?

[@22darius22]

I had fun with the Ruroni Kenshin live actions.

[@omegasmesh]

Akira by Taika Waititi would've been lit tho

[@IowanLawman]

Netflix "We GunNA dIVeRsiTY!" - Replaces an asian Faye Valentine with a white woman, a Jewish Spike Spiegel with an asian man and a Native American Jet Black with a black man.

[@GhostwalkerSparrow]

Considering death note 2017 was also produced by Netflix. So I shouldn't be suprised.

[@gauche5800]

I wonder if this is one of the many review videos Netflix may have seen...

[@AndragonLea]

The only joy I found in this newest series is that so many people heard about how terrible it is compared to the original and then went to watch and enjoy that instead. So if there's a silver lining, let it be that Netflix Cowboy Bebop was the butterface wing-man to actual Bebop.

[@ThexDynastxQueen]

Just finished it and was open minded (cause Asimov's hotness tricked me) but every episode being Lord Farquaad constantly sneering, slow bad fight scenes, sudden info dumps and forcing a connection with Faye was just wow .___. Got no issue not following the anime, if I wanted that...I'd watch that so if this was just the crew going after bounties with Vicious being the specter he is it would've been fine but no...no.

[@davesinsanestudio8072]

Wonder how Avatar is gonna go down.

[@nicholasmaher843]

Hard.

[@seanian8986]

"We fixed the show" in the same way Joss Whedon fixed Justice League

[@ParrotMan01276]

The show is an embarrassment. End of.

[@CrimsonOptics]

Can we just pass a law that permanently prevents Netflix from doing live action anime adaptatons? Please? Like this shit actually gives me brain damage. They can keep making actual anime though like Castlevania and Devilman Crybaby those are actually really good, funnily enough.

[@NebLleb]

Dude. Castlevania is NOT an anime. It's also a try-hard piece of crap.

[@kyon813]

@@NebLleb It's as bad of an adaptation as Netflix!Bebop, with its only merits being a good cast of talented actors (reading dialogue that would make a middle-schooler cringe) and some occasionally decent animation. It's been trash since season 3, and I shudder to picture what that team will do to Devil May Cry...

[@NebLleb]

@@kyon813 I mean, it did apparently start off well in its first two seasons, but then in season 3, rather than doing what they SHOULD have done and jumping between Belmont and game with a different tone for each double-seasonal adaptation, they decided to double down on the flaws present in Seasons 1 & 2 and make a fanfiction following the cast of 3: Dracula's Curse instead. Needless to say: Not a good idea.

[@kyon813]

@@NebLleb Yeah, s1 and 2 actually had a lot of merits, mainly everything surrounding Dracula (though the head writer's heel-digging refusal to use Grant as a character was incredibly childish). Then Dracula kicked it and the whole show fell apart. I disagree that they should've jumped right to the next Belmont. Since they'd already set up Hector and Isaac, they could've made a decent alternate take on Curse of Darkness, which took place after 3 and even features Trevor as a side character. But I guess someone on staff cared more about their girlboss/dommy mommy/rape fetish than a compelling arc for a promising character, so Hector got shafted. Even when he took some agency he got shafted in s4. It's pathetic.

[@NebLleb]

@@kyon813 Oh, yeah! I forgot Curse of Darkness! Still, I prefer the JoJo approach of jumping to a new Belmont after a storyline ends.

[@Yaboi212]

I loved listening to this but you said you skipped the intro when watching the original show. How? It’s like the best anime intro in history

[@GigaBoots]

We watched all 26 episodes in 3 days. Past the first 8 times it was passable. I’ve also seen it plenty in my lifetime.

[@chaz9808]

they horribly messed up the tone of the show they leaned into the comedy but the writers arent good so its awful and I'm willing to bet that nobody involved in this show even watched the anime

[@whiteghost3045]

Let's be real here, if actual fans of the anime series made a cowboy bebop remake in cosplays it would've been better

[@Excalibur01]

I feel vindicated that I've seen more and more channels talking about how trash this show is

[@victor_of_the_rivers8343]

Man, what a mess

[@richnolan2744]

Here we go baby

[@georgesagan]

0:44 I didn't...

[@ModernConversations]

What about Jet? He is perfect!

[@GigaBoots]

Many of the people on the podcast liked Jet’s performance.

[@nananamamana3591]

You know, watching this *did* really get me to think about the characters of Bebop more. Namely, what the crew here said about Fae being a total loser. Because... they're right. It's hard to catch, because Fae is exceedingly, phenominally, hellishly attractive... but she's kinda an incel? She *never* gets the boy. She plays up her sex appeal all the time, it's a weapon she deploys pretty often, but, she's also really brash, really crass, and specifically *really* vulnerable as a person. Whenever her sex appeal thing is working for her, she invariably does something, usually in part of her pride, to ruin the ruse. She's *not* Fujiko Mine, she's *not* Haruko, and she's certainly no Julia. She doesnt have it in her to follow-through on the "sex" part of sex-appeal, and it blows up in her face constantly. It's not just because it's a violent universe and if you play the weak, sexy, woman that men will take advantage. She normally doesnt even get past the initial part of the deception. She opens with that gambit so often, but then things immediately devolve into violence. She even gets *outplayed* in this aspect by Gren who absolutely understand the sex part of sex appeal and uses it effectively. Fae Valentine, the uber space babe, is what "girlfailure" looked like in the 90s. They've gotten more visually pathetic over time, but, Fae has *more* in common with Chainsaw Man's Kobeni, than she does Fujiko, despite her appearance.

[@Zenn3k]

I didn't hate it, but I didn't really like it either.

[@greengaleproductions]

Never seen the show, nut I'm pretty sure the intent of the music in the tree scene was to make the audience more uncomfortable. Kinda like the dude humming "Singin' in the Rain" in A Clockwork Orange, or the Ultimate Despairs singing "Tsubasa wo Kudasai" in Danganronpa 3: Despair Route, the juxtaposition of happy music against horrifying visuals is meant to shock the audience and no more. However, from the sounds of it, Cowboy Bebop Netflix didn't know how to do it right and it just comes off as either tone-deaf or imbecilic.

[@ZeroZXDev]

No audio? Edit: Hm that's weird I'm getting no audio in the mobile app, but I check in a mobile browser and it just works? Edit again: it works in the app now

[@mukbun4324]

Seems to be fucked

[@mukbun4324]

Works now

[@DragonKnightFire]

Why

[@nick3745]

So this show is basically Bell Peppers and Beef from episode 1; tasteless, bland, and lies with a shot from the point of view of the fan as if saying this is a repetitive endless circle. Only this one cuts the Bell Peppers too.

[@nick3745]

Also if you want to do a late 90s golden age anime into a live-action, Trigun is the obvious choice. It is prime for it.

[@voidarmy7511]

Oof

[@icepicjoey]

Mason studios does outstanding work with a small budget. Unlike these netflix showrunners

[@DespairDoctor]

Death Note was better than this

[@Jon-br8co]

I thought it was fun and my time was well spent. Looking forward to season 2.

[@DespairDoctor]

I liked Vicious for what they gave us.

[@cardona9448]

COULD'VE ADDED SOME IMAGERY THO, one and a half hour looking at that picture is a torture

[@GigaBoots]

It’s not a magic eye puzzle. You’re not supposed to stare at the image!

[@cardona9448]

@@GigaBoots so what kind of podcast is this? Am I to listen to this and look away for one a half hour? Just say you were lazy because that's what it is

[@loficat4993]

@@cardona9448 Do you know what a podcast is? lol

[@nicholasmaher843]

@@cardona9448 You know who actually WATCHES podcasts? The unemployed.

[@ModernConversations]

Criticism is the talent of the untalented.

[@GigaBoots]

Literally only ever said by people defending trash.

[@ModernConversations]

@@GigaBoots Trash that exists is better than the nothing that a critic creates.

[@robertzeleznik8124]

Yeah I'll be different and say it wasn't as bad as people are making out to be. I never was a follower

[@GigaBoots]

You’re so brave. You’ve done so much here. Please go rest. We’ll need you again in the future.

[@bladehero8490]

@@GigaBoots *cracks his knuckles and puts his fingers on the keyboard while smiling smugly* *in the future

[@frankallen3634]

All this for a live action of a cartoon! Ten percent of people watch anime regularly so nobody knows this crap anyway

[@GigaBoots]

Actually we’re reviewing a show. I know this is a confounding concept.

[@jondani5933]

It’s good stop being sheep

[@HarrisBoe]

They spent nearly two hours explaining *why* the decisions and changes made to the show don’t make logical sense or are inconsistent with the tone or theme established by the original. That not being sheep, that’s having an opinion you don’t like.

[@KaregoAt]

Here's almost two hours of counter arguments, so what exactly is good about it?

[@LucLightWolf121]

It's bad. Stop being a sheeple.