Jemma Forte Shows Up Bad Losers

That the General Election 2024 result is being challenged by Reform Party and the media only reminds me of their failure to question #Brexit referendum result.
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[@nickryder9669]

Farage played exactly the same system to his advantage to get his Brexit deal ! He stood down to make sure the Tories got in

[@MrWaynemarshall]

He stepped back so he could claim credit for the brexit result without having to grapple with the complex realities of negotiating or implementing brexit , he is an agitator and influencer and that is as far as it goes .

[@nickryder9669]

@@MrWaynemarshall well said

[@stephenalderton6300]

Miss sold Brexit. Selling snake oil ever since. How the general public can't see through this is astonishing 😮

[@Maltloaflegrande]

​​@@MrWaynemarshallHe actually has no tangible skills that could be beneficial to an aspiring politician. The only work skill he appears to have is arseing about with other rich people's money.

[@audreymcgready4329]

Starmer needs to bring in Media reform.

[@lizwebstersbf]

So hard agree.

[@JoButterwick]

Where was this line of questioning when Johnson got a majority?

[@hugolage9842]

Yeah, that's how the Tories got their majority last time round. Live with it!

[@sid35gb]

Lice doesn’t like it when he’s on WRONG END FPTP.

[@Carlos12330]

How does it go? Tice you lost get over it!!!!

[@brianferguson7840]

No Mr Tice, people will be looking at those results and saying "Thank F they only got 5 seats😂😂 I'm looking forward to Tice and faridge having to list all their parliamentary members financial interests.🤫🤫🤨

[@iq-nj4xg]

Reform don't even have any credible economic or social policy. That just about sums up Reform voters whose only agenda is "immigration". As for everything else, it can burn which is why we have so many issues now with Brexit.

[@philjameson292]

Nice one 👍

[@MrBrendanrex]

I'm looking forward to them knuckling down to do all that boring constituency stuff. Especially Tice, where his constituents aren't even capable of picking their own vegetables.

[@philjameson292]

@@MrBrendanrex touche my friend. Let's hear the local farmers bitching to him that they can't harvest their crops as they can't get the workers

[@JohnnyHague]

It can be expected that both Tice and Farage, will be far too busy in the media to attend even the house - let alone bother to respond to their constituents !

[@syttt7925]

Who are these 'THE PEOPLE'? All we hear about are these - the people. Are these the same 'the people who' brought us Brexit and 14 years of Tory rule?

[@shaun906]

yep

[@matthewcook9404]

I’m absolutely certain that Richard and Isabel will love living with his constituents in Skegness. The locals can’t wait for him to move up north. 😂😂

[@geneytube18]

To Richard Tice because they had a strategy and you have a leader who spent over £100,000 pounds for software that he never implemented. You guys are used car salesmen at best.

[@l000tube]

We dont just need to make use of tactical voting, we also need to make use of 'tactical support'. Most of the media will be hammering labour and holding it to a much higher bar than they ever will the tories so its up to us to like, share, and discuss why they are doing this and highlight their hypocracy at every stage. This is not to blindly follow a party, hold it to account, but, be cognicent of the games the media have waisted no time playing when it comes to accountability and tunring a blind eye. Be tactical in your support, know what games are played and make it known how they are playing them.

[@paulholdstock4751]

100% correct

[@tomricketts7821]

I protest on behalf of used car salesmen everywhere they are honest upright people by comparison

[@leecooper8589]

​@@tomricketts7821Arthur Daly was a fine upstanding citizen and honest trader compared with Tice and Farage.

[@robertwood1416]

Voted in a few GE now and, to my mind, this is the first time that PR and vote share have been a thing. Is this how the media is going to continually question Labour’s win?

[@markwelch3564]

Bring it on - after years of seeing the media not want to talk about PR, it's great to see it all over daytime politics and current affairs shows 😁

[@maartenaalsmeer]

FPTP is flawed, always was and always will be. But drawing that conclusion only after an election result you don't like, and not minding at all when getting previous results you did like, is hypocritical. And since it's Tice, that was to be expected.

[@mickeythompson9537]

Exactly.

[@Antonnick]

Dead right. But perhaps ( though I doubt it) the new government will reflect on modern democratic standards and do something about it.

[@col.hertford9855]

Farage said the same after 2015 when UKIP got 1 seat for a similar number of votes. It’s not a new position for him and his employees.

[@flyingdutchman3483]

Tice and his comic book version of the Trump playbook.

[@davidstrudwick6879]

Reform don’t elect their leader and they have the nerve to question democracy

[@paulbats6996]

Tories whinging because they lost. I don't recall them complaining in 2019. Hypocrites.

[@roccosilverstar]

If we can’t have a second referendum on Brexit then they can’t have one on the voting system. We already had a vote in 2011.

[@normanchristie4524]

Dangerous conflation; the vote in 2011 was flawed. Cameron had previously agreed that the LibDems would be free to formulate the PR referendum but then moved in and we ended up with a proposal that few would accept.

[@DomHorne-t2h]

@@peterholden3672 Both were.

[@RoofLight00]

@@normanchristie4524 Both were deeply flawed to suggest otherwise is wilful obfuscation.

[@therealrobertbirchall]

​@@normanchristie4524the vote on brexshit was tainted by Russian money and lies about immigrunts and £350 billion for the NHS and shhh tax avoidance

[@mark-nm4tc]

@@normanchristie4524 The 2016 ref had the legal status of an opinion poll as it was merely advisory.

[@brianwindsor6565]

In all of my 71 years i have never heard such screteny of seats vs votes after any election. I remeber trying to explain to my 13 yr old daughter why 36% of the vote gave 75% of the seats to one party when the other two had 25% of the seats with 64% of the votes!! Its not easy. The system need changing but we got to where we are by tactical voting and playing the system with a desire to get these entitled wankers out. Job done. 😂

[@venenareligioest410]

Farage, Tice and Oakshitt wouldn’t work in an iron lung! 🥸

[@alana8863]

Love the way these Reform people have all voted time and again for a Tory Party which has overwhelmingly never wanted to change the voting system. But when they have their own party and are on the wrong end of the system, they want to change it. I'm a Labour member, and will always support the introduction of PR - even though it may work against the party. Principles shouldn't be determined by self-interest Mr Tice.

[@audreymcgready4329]

They are NOT a party. They are a Business.

[@alana8863]

@@audreymcgready4329 True. I stand corrected.

[@MrWaynemarshall]

@@audreymcgready4329 They are the party of agitation and discontent , they have seriously damaged the tory party while not being a serious alternative to it . They are a corrosive influence on British politics.

[@TheHoveHeretic]

​@@audreymcgready4329and hypocrites to boot.

[@leehighland5435]

I am reform voter, I don't want PR, it's a bad idea, will create weak government, plus the right would never get a majority.

[@chrism3701]

A Fascist moaning about Democracy not working in their favour 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@leehighland5435]

Why is he a facsist?

[@dicklebilly3115]

@@leehighland5435you really need to ask that question 🤷 it’s there in front of you open your eyes 😊 you’re welcome

[@colinmorris3526]

If you spent less time sniffing their farts and more time listening to their voices, you would have your answer 👍

[@leehighland5435]

@@colinmorris3526 Give me one example of why they are fascist, if you can't, it proves you don't have any proof and shows you to be a liar.

[@bereal6590]

@@leehighland5435 lee either you're a bot or need help with historical facts

[@MrMistoffelees]

We HAD a referendum. 68% voted against - a considerably larger proportion than voted for Brexit. Wait - are you saying we should have another and change our minds, Richard?

[@Jessjoe1956]

Tice should realise “ it’s the will of the people “.

[@John-yi1mk]

There were many flaws, imo with the voting system for Brexit. It was futile how Scotland, N.Ireland and Wales voted as England could out vote them collectively. It should have been that each nation had to return a majority or we remained in. But these great Reform Democrats liked the result so it was OK. Now they system doesn't get them what they want. To them I say what they said to me ; You lost get over it.

[@terryloftus8626]

Actually it was 52%/48%

[@Jessjoe1956]

@@terryloftus8626 that was the Brexit referendum, he’s on about the electoral reform referendum in 2011/12 ?

[@John-yi1mk]

@@terryloftus8626 2 of the 4 countries voted to remain.

[@isabellesmith5253]

I ve looked at the results .....i am happy with labour 'results...glad reform got nowhere....

[@petercoe8175]

'How can it be right', that a party does not elect it's leader.

[@chriswills9437]

...or is a company and not a party.

[@maxharbig1167]

Let's see if the four reform MP's actually do any real work on behalf of their constituents instead of mouthing off about big issues that their number of seats gives them no weighty say in. Remember that Nigel Farage as a Member of the Fisheries Commission when he was an MEP turned up for exactly one of its 40 plus meetings. Work and Nige don't seem to agree.

[@OpenDoorEnglish]

Can really see him turning down money to speak at Trump rallies in favour of attending meetings about potholes in Clacton 😂 Poor guy may actually have to work a shift if he wants to last longer than five minutes - which he probably doesn't after their rather underwhelming performance.

[@WTFUI-rk6zh]

Maybe they will continue grifting. Unfortunate for their constituencies.

[@MetalRocksMe.]

@@OpenDoorEnglishI agree, he won’t last five minutes. He’s a grifting snake oil salesman man, they usually work for themselves and don’t follow rules. He’s going to struggle, the commons is a beast of its own. 😂

[@thedrumdoctor]

Farage has become a sprat in an ocean overnight. He’s going to regret becoming accountable.

[@kimatkinson694]

Democratic decision we were told 2016 You lost get over it was the chant by Brexiters They say history can repeat itself

[@derekmab7734]

That's right. What goes around comes around.

[@bertoverweel6588]

They don't like the result and want to change the rules.

[@bindon4]

"we quite like referendum....we've got quite a good track record" - what do you mean Tice? The overspending, the lies, the flawed 2-part question, 350m on the side of a bus, Russian interference......?

[@aleph8888]

The Courts found in the Wilson case that there is no evidence that any of that had a material effect on the vote; it didn’t change the result.

[@SeArCh4DrEaMz]

I think there should be another referendum about brexit, and see how committed Reform UK is about democracy.

[@Iazzaboyce]

I voted for UK independence and I would vote for the UK to stay independent. I would welcome a join referendum for the same reason Keir Starmer wont give us one.

[@mickeythompson9537]

@@Iazzaboyce You'd lose. Shouting loudly doesn't mean there are more of you.

[@Iazzaboyce]

@@mickeythompson9537 Have you told this to Steve Bray?

[@grahamdhv3812]

​@@IazzaboyceWe've always been independent.

[@Iazzaboyce]

@@grahamdhv3812 You might think 'independent' means having your laws made in a foreign country by 90% foreign lawmakers lol.

[@wayneford2481]

They were happy bobo and the torys won brexit.

[@martinpook5707]

i don't recall anyone saying anything about percentage share of the vote in 2019... or any other time. Work harder Tice, tell a few more lies.

[@TrancetasticWilza]

They knew how it worked. 🙄

[@jonathanmills7329]

Richard Tice ....thats not how democracy works ( he said that so many times during interviews when challenged) is a complete plum

[@derekarnold3665]

Labour won; no, ifs or buts.

[@user-iq1fi6yn8k]

It's a bit rich banging on about Democracy when Reform voters can't vote for their Directors it being a limited company.

[@user-mj5bl5dy1b]

Once a Lice always a Lice

[@timoakley277]

To be fair the fptp system is profoundly undemocratic. I have no time for Tice or Farage but on this one thing they have a point.

[@edwardbernthal160]

But the voting system was not in Reforms manifesto was it, so it wasn't a problem for them before the election was it?

[@johnsevern739]

LibDems have been talking about PR for years and years and years....

[@markwelch3564]

A stopped clock is right twice a day etc etc

[@thedrumdoctor]

@@edwardbernthal160their ‘contract with the people’ said they would have a referendum on electoral reform. This is because of the UKIP vote in 2015 (3.8 million) returning only 1 MP. The Lib Dem’s have been campaigning for electoral reform for years so Farage & Tice are newcomers in comparison.

[@JohnPark-xf2gq]

Farage said before eu vote that 77 million Turkish citizens would come to UK.he was wrong,instead 4 million turkey's voted reform .

[@amayastrata4629]

If there was a referendum on proportional representation next week then I would vote against it now because the reform party are in existence. As to the two thirds that didn’t vote labour, I am one of them. However, I voted Lib Dem because I wanted my Tory mp out. I would have voted labour if they stood a chance in my constituency. The difference for me is merely no longer Tory, absolutely no reform. Job done. I read all manifesto’s and I liked most of everything from labour, Lib Dem’s and greens. For me, whilst the far right are ranting I’m not voting for anything that will give them more power.

[@rowancrew2934]

Neither am I.

[@dogwithwigwamz.7320]

For as long as I can remember ( I`m only 60 ) the UK has accepted `first past the post.` What, then , is all on a sudden a problem vis a vis it and right wing media ? As far as I can see the `unattractiveness ` of that bloke Tice comes in the form of his hatred of almost anything that moves - and it`s plain to see in his face. All I see in his visage, notwithstanding we have left the European Union, is bitterness. But that`s just it : Hate is not so easily erazed as the crossing of a ballot paper. Those that hated the EU when we were a part of it will either still hate it or will have something else to hate. It`s not people who own hate. It`s hate that owns people.

[@trytellingthetruth.2068]

It has been seen as a problem since the 1970's, you just weren't/ aren't aware of it.

[@dogwithwigwamz.7320]

@@trytellingthetruth.2068 Well, I am aware of it. I`m surprised the problem wasn`t seen long before the 1970`s. I think there`s something to be said in favour of PR.

[@trytellingthetruth.2068]

@@dogwithwigwamz.7320 If you are aware of it then why say, It's all of a sudden a problem?

[@dogwithwigwamz.7320]

@@trytellingthetruth.2068 It`s all on a sudden a problem not for me, but for the British right wing media to explain. That media kept quiet long enough whilst first past the post suited them, don`t you think ?

[@trytellingthetruth.2068]

@@dogwithwigwamz.7320 It was Labour, back in the 1970's that campaigned for electoral reform. It was Labour under Blair in 1997 that pledged to hold a referendum on electoral reform, but after winning the election this pledge was never honoured, (no surprise there.) Labour campaigned for reform until that is FPTP got them into Downing Street. The British left wing media didn't make a complaint.

[@paulnicholls4791]

Hope you don't lie when you Reform MP have to declare all your funding, no hiding your Russian money's. Also when the Conservative party there was none of this rubbish about votes share

[@brianferguson7840]

THINGS 🎵CAN ONLY🎶 GET BETTER !🎶 THINGS CAN 🎶ONLY 🎶GET BETTER !🎵😂😂

[@stevebartley8902]

Reform, all mouth and no substance = noise.

[@brianferguson7840]

The sun has risen on a freshly laundered Labour country. Ahh, the smell of freshly baked Thick sliced Competence, generously spread with integrity !

[@trytellingthetruth.2068]

At the same time, another small boat arrives on the English shoreline.

[@brianferguson7840]

​@@trytellingthetruth.2068 And.... what's that got to do with "Anything"??

[@nickryder9669]

@@trytellingthetruth.2068no boats either Large or small before Brexit not one

[@trytellingthetruth.2068]

@@nickryder9669 Most were coming on the backs of lorries, or have you forgotten we gave the French £millions to build fencing around the ports. What a short, selective memory you have.

[@trytellingthetruth.2068]

@@peterholden3672 The armada was made up of many small boats/ships, or had you forgotten?

[@roddychristodoulou9111]

There are two reasons why labours share of the vote was so low compared with seats gained . There was a very low turnout at the election and also tactical voting came into play up and down the country .

[@Frank-pm9pr]

So, if we have another referendum, and the result is to rejoin, we can stay out because it's only advisory. It's laughable!! Let's have a referendum every 4 years, why not! What a joke!

[@michaelmayo3127]

One can't explane away a voting system, that gives a parliamentary-party with only 34% of the popular; the right to rule the other 66% of the electorate. No FPP isn't democratic. And like it or not, Reform also have a voice in a free democracy. And It's tactical voting that has brought Labour to power; in short the electorate, by voting tactically - many against their political convictions - have screwed the FPP voting-machine.Tice isn't taking this factor into consideration because those, that voted against their political convictions, would have voted differently under P/R system of voting. Have to vote tactically; is a betrayal of one's right, to vote in accordance with one's political convictions!!

[@maxine2798]

did anyone see their local Reform party candidate? Look at the Byline Times, questioning if they even existed. That could be a good reason they dont deserve any help

[@markwelch3564]

I'm not sure about fake candidates, but they definitely had fake people doing testimonials, including stealing a picture from someone who had died long before Reform even existed. Despite being dead, this person was somehow able to write a statement about how amazing the Reform party are...

[@peterjhillier7659]

Thanks Liz, excellent critique, and too believe that FPTP is undemocratic. I a pro European who at 77 has never voted Tory lives in a Tory Constituency and am basically disenfranchised.

[@lloydbelle3406]

This is really annoying. Of course PR is the way to to go, but who questioned the Tories on this same issue???

[@Walt_G]

I'm also in favour of PR, but these double standards are irritating, this was never mentioned when Boris won.

[@OpenDoorEnglish]

I live in Catalonia - trust me PR can cause a whole host of issues. I really can't make up my mind about it.

[@col.hertford9855]

Lib Dem’s, Greens and UKIP/Reform. Farage literally said reform was predominantly formed To push PR when he founded it.

[@lloydbelle3406]

@@col.hertford9855 Of course you do realise Nigel farage is a liar?

[@lloydbelle3406]

@@OpenDoorEnglish Other than far right getting more seats than they deserve, are there any other PR issues you have concerns about?

[@Andrew-vx2ls]

In the property industry, Tice built himself a bad reputation: at his last employer, he was fired for dealing on his own account rather than for the company he was working for. everyone knows it... Reform - Ukip represent the Mosley wing of politics.

[@JohnPark-xf2gq]

If in the next 5 years things go pear shape for labour maybe they will interjuice pr as a means of stopping the tories making a comeback.

[@user-jm9rh6py5i]

Nothing I wouldn’t expect… things are always alright with Tory, Ukip (Brexit party-> Reform UK) until the situation change and it starts to be a disadvantage to them. Then you hear, that something suddenly becomes to be unfair and disproportionately gives the power to only some of the parties. It is something, that should have been dealt with ages ago, but it always have to be a party with a character to give up of the advantage and change the system which won them the first place in the election.

[@mickeythompson9537]

Very well said, Liz!

[@AnthonyHolmes-on2tb]

Nigel calls Mr Tice 'the hairdresser'. Does he do Ms Oakshot's? It is nice.

[@garyarnold3141]

The media has been complaining about Labour's vote share as soon as the results were in. I don't remember them complaining when Boris Johnson got an 80 seat majority on less than 50% of the vote. The Tories have always wanted to keep FPTP. I think when people see the results of Starmer's government he will get even more support.

[@avakholwadia1420]

Why weren’t the media pushing this with Brexit or when the tories were in power. I live in a country with PR and we hold the record of no government. We had to go back to vote because they couldn’t form a government. Both systems are flawed and there is arguments for both but not after 2 days of a new government.

[@pygmalion1963]

Bring it on most people in this country vote for progressive parties

[@thehealinggame]

Get rid of voter identification, give 16 year old the vote and stop non doms, ex pats and tax dodgers from voting.

[@Robcomments]

Right wing just hate losing. I didn’t hear any of these right wing politicians/reporters kicking off over Boris election win.!!!! Also tories did defend the voting system in that liberal democrats election reform referendum which people voted to keep the system we have. Keir didn’t improve Labour vote it was the crash of the tories/SNP also Nigel not standing down that gave Labour the numbers. Trusting this labour leadership isn’t something I can do. I think people will come to understand they are not that different to what we replace tbh.

[@JohnPark-xf2gq]

Labour will b🎉the like the Dutch boy putting his fingers in the wall to stop the water flowing out.stop the tories however were using a sledge hammer to destroy the wall.(you can substitute wall with nhs,waterways.railways etc.

[@dannykreft9663]

In 2019 Johnson got a majority of80 on 37% of the vote and there was no bleating from UKIP at the time about PR. Unfortunately the EU won’t want us back.

[@JwayT]

We didn't have a referendum on FPTP vs. Proportional Representation.

[@lizwebstersbf]

Splitting hairs though it was whether to ditch FPTP for more proportional system.

[@markwelch3564]

Isn't AV just FPTP with a built in protest vote though?

[@thedrumdoctor]

@@markwelch3564it’s certainly not a PR system and the Electoral Reform Society described it as a ‘majorative’ system unable to deliver MPs on a proportional share of votes.

[@michaelmais3657]

It don't mean that if it was PR the vote would have been the same, as people might have voted differently.

[@Alfadrottning86]

100% siding with Labour there ... but - maybe they will change it proportional - the far-right and the Tories wont like it very much, i daresay

[@abenaid11]

We don't vote for government, we vote for a representative, They one the majority of people in an area think they will serve them best. I don't want to be represented by who came second. A football team doesn't win the league by the amount of goals it scores, rather than wins.

[@NickyB62]

In the previous 2 elections Jeremy Corbyns Labour Party achieved many more votes than Labour achieved this time around & lost. So on fewer votes Labour now has a massive majority. So i guess with PR we'd have seen Jeremy Corbyn in office with a huge majority. Didn't see this fella complaining back then so why now

[@anthonychappell9409]

I imagine Tice wasn't complaining about PR when he was voting Tory before he got involved with Farage

[@robertjohn6354]

PR is coming ,I'm sure nobody will argue against a fairer system .

[@matthewcook9404]

We had a Referendum in 2011 to consider an alternative voting system to First Past The Post. It was rejected by 67% of the electorate, and we must respect the result of that democratic vote. Forever. It’s the will of the people.

[@johnholkham2420]

Ps the centre to left parties won the majority with 51%, reform and Tories 38% .

[@mynameisnobody5295]

ReformUK and Conservatives would have lost in PR as there would most probably be a coaltion of Labour, Lib Dems and Greens which makes up 52.7%. Brexit was 51.9%. He also didn't mention Northern Ireland had 55.8% and Scotland 62.0% That means that both should still be in the EU. Though due to the NI Protocal which is practially still in the EU yet there is a lot of noise wanting to scrap the Protocal which would takeways their vote as Sinn Fien and Social Democratic and Labour Party have the majority with PR system.

[@nickryder9669]

Local mp s for local people

[@Notalwaysrightbutmostly]

Keep your chart , no one complained before the election

[@seankelly3774]

Those are the rules and everyone knows them when they campaign to get elected. Tim, rich but dim, will always moan about this in his pretty stupid way.

[@chrisstones1249]

Great reaction ,liz .👍

[@Unclemaths]

2019 election was fought on get Brexit done. 43% voted for party favouring brexit, 57 % opposed it.

[@peterdollins3610]

This is the first General Election where we've had with I.D. That I.D. favours the old more conservative voters for many things the old can use such as travel passes cannot be use by the young secondly many postal votes did not arrive and have not been counted. Badanoch may lose her seat or at least have it challenged for this. It is reported 120 other seats suffer it too. I'd like to see more reporting on it. Where? No complant voiced at Johnson winning the 2019 Election on waver thin vote margins or the many other times this happened. (In the 1951 Election Labour had more votes than the Tories--nobody complained of that.) It is a Tory ploy that ignores the undemocratic Referendum. Reform's voter base goes back to the National Front the BNP. Many Reform Candidates still belong to or work with or praise and agree wih such fellows.

[@johnsevern739]

I think it's more surprising Badenoch retained her seat. I hear she has a reputation for being invisible there!

[@JohnnyHague]

I used to work for Royal Mail, and can tell you that the postal vote system is very tightly controlled. Handled by senior people on the shop-floor, and scrupulously watched by managers. Make no mistake - any shortfall will NOT be down to RM, but there may have been a problem with the votes going out in the first place ! Regarding your first point, Rees Mogg admitted this was plain old Gerrymandering - but that it had back-fired because fewer older people had passports/driving licenses.

[@paulholdstock4751]

Totally agree with you. Sour grapes from the usual suspects.

[@harrycuerden5266]

You might also remember "Mum it's not fair I didn't win"

[@obtuse1291]

Copying their orange master's techniques, like good little disciples. 😂

[@chrislaurenceleo]

How can it be that so many people voted for reform but cannot articulate any of their policies

[@OpenDoorEnglish]

They have policies?!

[@chrislaurenceleo]

@@OpenDoorEnglish they call it a contract but it doesn't amount to much. Farage wants to get rid of the NHS and replace with an insurance based american type health service. He also wants to turn the bbc into a radio only service I suppose to boost his gbviews. The rest is unfunded tripe

[@derekmab7734]

Because according to psychology of Stanley Milgram, Reform UK supporters/electorates are in an "agentic state" and this is the definition:"The agentic state is a psychological phenomenon in which an individual gives up their autonomy and moral responsibility to an authority figure (Farage in this case). In this state, the individual perceives themselves as an agent of the authority figure and is willing to carry out their commands, even if it goes against their own moral code". Farage, the con artist, who pretends to be one of them, is the authority through which he uses the policies of scapegoats such as immigrants and the establishment and distraction without the fear of having to deliver anything for them because he is always keeping them distracted through these tactics as well as his charisma, charm, blaming others for all the problems in society etc, so it can take his followers years and years without realising he is actually using and mocking them because of their naivety and idiocy. The reason for this is that they do not have the critical thinking and questioning of an authority, nor any sense of personal responsibility and accountability.

[@chrislaurenceleo]

@@derekmab7734 I read that about the maga morons in america. I guess we are not immune to that sort of lunacy here in the uk

[@rowancrew2934]

@@derekmab7734well said.

[@advisorsandy2068]

Lock Johnson up after a fair trial of course.

[@fje1948]

Lovely cows and calves ❤. Your content is excellent - Thank you!

[@yamyam3905]

What are the left frightened of . This young lady Gemma North just might change her mind in 10-15yrs time when her kids and grandkids are older and not able to get their own house 😂

[@garyb455]

Starmer won nothing Farage gifted it to him, and its going to be the shortest honeymoon ever seen, they are a bunch of clowns

[@dicklebilly3115]

Ah the tears - loving it 😂

[@colinmorris3526]

What was he saying when that came up for a vote just a few years ago

[@punditgi]

Excellent analysis, Liz. You should be a government advisor! ❤🎉😊

[@paulalderson7329]

One thing garenteed about Farage Tice etc, they never stop moaning.

[@jim-es8qk]

They probably should have put a 2/3 majority for the result to count. It was a big decision. But they didn't.

[@kevinshanahan6064]

When you go for a job interview it’s not a proportional representation selection process, just the best candidate.

[@vincehammond1282]

Loved it liz , time , patience but above all keep calling out their hypocrisy and negativity 👏

[@petermoxham2625]

As Eric Morecambe said to Andre Previn, "I've got the votes but not all in the right places".

[@johnstokes111]

As a Lib Dem I can only look on in wonder that journalists have noticed that first past the post is unfair😂. It was equally unfair in 2019 and every GE before it.

[@andrewjones-productions]

The FPTP system did help to keep Wales free from the Tories and especially Reform however. So, it has its advantages. Nevertheless, I do acknowledge that PR is the preferred and more democratic system.

[@jackthebassman1]

Very true Liz, roll on rejoining our European allies, friends and trading partners.

[@nattytom6238]

Why are they just complaining , this is the system in place in all my lifetime.

[@peterclareburt4594]

But so many have been asking for a change to PR. Maybe it's time to look at that for the future. But though Labour could probably push PR through it's not in their interest to do so

[@zog97xy]

Tice will be gone in 12 months frogage will be gone in november.

[@christopherspavins9250]

Going to be difficult to observe competence in government and no buffonery over the next several years.

[@stephenhill545]

We've had FPTP since elections began, and the last party to get a majority of the vote was in 1951.

[@MichaelBrown-fl7zj]

Give them a PR referendum if we can also have a rejoin EU referendum.

[@thedrumdoctor]

FPTP was introduced in 1885 and has served the 2-party system effectively in the early to mid 20th century. But as new political parties were splintering off and actually gaining support in numbers reflected at the ballot box, FPTP has started to show its unsuitability, especially in the 21st century. The Lib Dems have been talking about electoral reform and PR for a very long time but they don’t make the same noise as Farage & Co. After the 2015 GE, it was Farage who approached an existing coalition campaigning for electoral reform but he got bored with it and walked away whilst the rest of us kept on campaigning. Don’t let Tice’s sudden enthusiasm put you off the idea of electoral reform, he’s turned up very late to a party which has been going on a lot longer.

[@gazza595]

We had a referendum in 2011 on AV, it was lost, no if's no buts. Are Reform now suggesting people might have changed their mind? If we had another Referendum on the EU this weekend there would be a vote to rejoin, no if's no buts. People def have changed their mind.