It's Time To Get Brutally Honest About Hailie Deegan

[@SoldiesBC]

Imagine a world where Johanna Long didn't get tossed aside in favor of Danica. We'd be in a much better place.

[@redracer1985]

amen to that. and I still miss Johanna to this day

[@danooc1]

Given the choice between Danica and Jimmie Johnson in an Indycar...I'll take Danica 10/10.

[@Ultimate23Dragon]

Johanna Long gets guinea pigged in the 10 SHR car, people question her talent, she leaves NASCAR to go back to late models, & Darian makes a "NASCAR Bust: Johanna Long" video because SHR won't stop kissing Kevin Harvick's butt?... Pass.

[@duck-o-matic6255]

@@user-tv9us6fc8xshe only did that once

[@duck-o-matic6255]

@@user-tv9us6fc8x Cole Whitt and Landon Cassill can’t even win at that time in it what evidence proves she could?

[@Milton_Valenzuela]

When your teammates are 4th, 5th, and 9th in points compared to yourself in 18th driving in top equipment, how can Xfinity teams look at you and say you deserve to move up? Not to mention she's behind rookies like Jake Garcia, Nicholas Sanchez, Rajah Caruth, and Corey Heim in points Hailie Deegan has had many opportunities and she is squandering them

[@codyhathaway7715]

Right then if she sucks in xfinity, are people going to say "maybe she'll be better in a cup car instead". She just doesnt have what it takes in my opinion, good for her for trying and sticking to it, but she's going to be a bust.

[@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT]

@@codyhathaway7715I disagree with that part and NASCAR fans are stupid if that’s their mindset. Trucks is terrible and non-skilled and I feel like Xfinity is her last chance.

[@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT]

There are some drivers that are terrible in Trucks but actually do well in Xfinity and/or even Cup

[@allen1854]

Couldn’t agree more. She’s a bust

[@codyhathaway7715]

Trucks are non-skilled? Tell that to the drivers that compete week in and week out. Now that's a "stupid" take and by your own logic if it's "non-skilled" you basically just admitted she sucks if she cant perform in a "non-skilled" series.

[@thefranchise4698]

As much as I like Deegan, this is a make-or-break year for her. She has to start winning or at least be in the top-5. The excuses are beginning to run out.

[@matty_isthemotto]

She needs to start not crashing first.

[@hendo136]

she needs to be more aggressive in the trucks or move to the cars she is bullied and allows it she never seems to give it back to the guys EVER

[@WheelerRickRambles]

How do you know? Sources?

[@User1995racing]

@@hendo136respectfully in my opinion is just because she’s not a man

[@hendo136]

@@User1995racing I dont believe her sex has as much to do with it as her personality she just isnt aggressive and the truck series is VERY aggressive

[@beepboop306]

you’re braver than most making this video

[@dnasty312]

Why D will one day receive the Squire-Hall Award

[@KellieLeigh48]

No he just speaks the facts

[@cdel4391]

how is it brave? lol this guy

[@robertstone9988]

​@@cdel4391calls he will feel the heavy hate from the simps

[@duck-o-matic6255]

What’s so brave about making videos on KZbin?

[@DSCRLSeries]

She has a top ride for 2 or more years and she proves she's bang average I'd say this is her last chance to prove herself. Love your content BFM

[@duck-o-matic6255]

Thanks Elephant 🐘

[@davidvanbrunt4233]

Ford will void her contract at year's end....

[@arthurtomczak8474]

Fact check. Please

[@bradsanders407]

Im not trying to make excuses but a trucknis not a car. Why take someone out of something they're comfortable with and making some progress in? Especially when you had a true blue cash cow. The financial benefit alone would have been worth it whether she finished last every race or not. Now the cash cow is about milked dry. Kind-of sad but knowing everything was just handed to her, i can't say that I feel super bad for her. Now she will have to do what the rest of her type has to do, marry.

[@bc7013]

Your best example of someone like her who has struggled is Harrison Burton who had 18 top 10s in 40 races, Deegan has 4 top 10s in 59 races. I thin that sums it up pretty well.

[@druid4835]

Deegan is a brand, not a driver.

[@mustangracer5124]

They are all salesmen with driver suits on.

[@johnnyyarbrough9716]

Spends to much time on social media rather in a simulator !

[@bpearsell]

Wrong. Hailie is a driver. Not a brand. Stop being a dumbass and actually watch the videos when she wrecks. It is 95% SOMEONE ELSE'S fault.

[@druid4835]

@@johnnyyarbrough9716 facts. It's not bad to be good at marketing yourself, she has that down. it's just seems like that's where her heart is.

[@SebShiesty]

Truck series has many breaks mid season so ofc she will be posting things on social media. Plus NASCAR is becoming a very expensive place to race. If you guys don't ever watch post race interviews drivers are always thanking their sponsors. Deegan just has a platform to promote hers differently than anyone else. NASCAR "Fans" need to look at the bigger picture and just not based off of stats. She has ran well in top 10 but if you actually watch 11th and below its hell and no one can have a clean race. Its all about the people around her so before you mad e big statements think about what its like to race the trucks and what racing those drivers are like. I think she has talent but is stuck in a drought in trucks and needs more time in Xfinity to really see the skill behind the wheel.

[@bmcminn8838]

She's been given every opportunity possible and has done absolutely nothing with it

[@geek49203]

Nonsense, she's made videos of her in a swimsuit. I mean, did Kevin Harvick do that? Noooo......

[@raylewis1355]

​@geek49203 good point. That's gotta be worth millions of dollars. Which is the language Nascrap speaks.

[@darksu6947]

​@@geek49203To be fair, she does have nice jugs. Unfortunately that doesn't translate to driving ability, but nice jugs are nice jugs 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@grayjack5021]

@@geek49203 My feelings exactly. She needs to live with that truck if it moves she moves instead of water skiing. But she needs a ride in a car. She has won in a car that's were she needs to be. IMHO Please no hate.

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

18th in points in a ThorSport truck is pretty damn bad

[@MathiasTheGiant]

Deegan's best asset has been, and always will be, marketability. She will have as many opportunities as she needs to establish herself in Nascar, and not everyone needs to be a Cup Championship driver. I think her talents could settle out in Xfinity and be somewhat successful, but she does still have a long way to go. Calling her a bust is just too soon.

[@94nolo]

I think she's brought a lot of awareness to just how bad the truck series is for developmental drivers. Her lone Xfinity start gives me pause before writing her off. But you'd also like to see more speed out of her.

[@GatoradeCupSeriesX94]

She's behind FOUR rookies in points. Hocevar who's 20 has 2 wins in NIECE equipment. She sucks.

[@GregStewart-ut3yv]

So you are saying she is so bad they should go ahead move her up. She will be out of racing in 3yrs

[@GatoradeCupSeriesX94]

@@GregStewart-ut3yv These people are such clowns

[@thatcarguydom266]

@@GregStewart-ut3yvI mean to be fair the truck series is kind of a clown show a significant portion of the time

[@trainofthough0242]

This reminds me of the time when Danica finished top 5 in one of her early Xfinity races and everybody went 'see, you can't write her off yet, she had that one good finish, she deserves a shot.' Well, we all know how her career turned out. One decent finish in Xfinity doesn't change much.

[@brianeast9081]

The equipment she has at her disposal and the people she has around her at ThorSport she should certainly be performing better. The one thing I have noticed with Hailie is when Ford have sent her to run the GT4 Mustang in the Michelin Pilot Challenge at Daytona the last 2 years she has actually performed pretty well there. It could be in Ford's interest to consider moving her over towards that IMSA side of things on more of a full time basis.

[@Dexter037S4]

Anyone can drive a GT4 car fast, it isn't a judge of talent, they are pathetically easy to drive fast. But I do agree she should move, she's not cut out for NASCAR, cut your losses and get the Ford GT3 Factory Driver special.

[@trentonseibold4806]

Darian over here going scorched earth this week 🔥🔥🔥

[@ChiChiWoo]

who would do better in this 13? joe graf jr or her? speaking of that, a few video ideas: -nascar busts: roush racing driver x contestants -the joe graf jr experience -is blaine perkins that bad? -how good is kyle weatherman? -the kris wright experience -the cj mclaughlin experience -the riley herbst resurgence -how good was paul menard?

[@duck-o-matic6255]

Let’s sum this up for you Graf and McLaughlin nobody have expectations for them to do well. Perkins is decent just nobody talks about it enough. Weatherman good enough for a full season ride. Herbst is good but not good enough to win it seems. Roush not a bust in my opinion and Menard was good just was up and down throughout the season.

[@ChiChiWoo]

@@duck-o-matic6255if kaulig wasn’t run by shitheads and entered landon cassill instead of aj allmendinger, or if aj’s damage in that crash was terminal, riley would’ve won.

[@Jadonelijah2010]

Most people don’t have the balls to say that

[@AutoRockinRacing94]

It's a shame how the West alumni have not fared well in the national divisions except Gragson (before moving to Cup) and to some minor extent Gilliland. Derek Thorn is about the best out of the K&N and ARCA West days and he's not even running NASCAR.

[@tnkl_4254]

To be fair, every rookie moving into the next gen has struggled, give noah a year or two and he should be fine. Plus its not like the GMS cars are helping him any

[@crystaljon]

Aside from Gilliland, the only West Series champion since 2000 to have any success in the upper divisions is Brendan Gaughan. Meanwhile, the East Series has had champions like Logano, Larson, Rhodes, Byron, Haley, Burton, Mayer, and from the looks of it, Sammy Smith. Maybe that's why the West Series is always struggling with entries compared to the East Series. East drivers are just more likely to succeed.

[@duck-o-matic6255]

Gilliland lucky to be in Cup Daddy help him

[@mustangracer5124]

Don't mention GORDON or 7 time champ JOHNSON.. or KYLE LARSON.

[@GatoradeCupSeriesX94]

Because the West Series is a Mickey Mouse series full of guys who will never make an impact in the top 3 series of stock car racing. There are like what, 12 cars on track for the majority of the season with 5 cars capable of winning? Deegan alongside Terrible Herbst will go down as one of the many West Series busts.

[@redguysimracing2382]

Certain drivers throughout the history of the sport do better in a certain series vs the others. An example would be Jimmie Johnson ran like sh*t in the Busch Series but had a Hof cup career. Ron Hornaday Jr had a below average cup career, had an okay Busch career winning 4 times but won the truck series championship 4 times.

[@duck-o-matic6255]

You forgot the important part they showed signs of being good in them rides at times with some competitive. Deegan not only not showing enough competitive but getting outrun and outclassed by current and former team big difference.

[@Ka_Gg]

You should look up who Jimmy Johnson drove for in Xfinity

[@Ka_Gg]

Jimmie Johnson s full season in the Busch series, he got a win and 9 top tens. That isn't spectacular, but that is far better than hailie Deegan. Also, Jeff Gordon was vouching for him. He wasn't doing that for no reason

[@DATDylan25]

@@Ka_Gg Yeah, the same team that Todd Bodine was in the hunt for the championship with in 2003 despite being entirely sponsorless and eventually having to shut down due to lack of funding. Not to mention Jimmie made numerous starts in Xfinity and Trucks later on in top equipment like JRM and Hendrick and still managed to not win a single one of those races and mostly just wreck. Sometimes a series just isn't a good fit for someone, even generational GOATs like Jimmie Johnson.

[@Ka_Gg]

@@DATDylan25 yeah a team that has no wins until JJ got there. Then went under not too long after. Not like it was a great team

[@normanbyrne9868]

I wanted to really support her and loosely followed her career. I would say that this could be the year that she gets cast aside for a more experienced driver. I think her social media takes priority for her rather than being at the track practicing whenever she can or even getting some sim racing time to gain experience. And its almost never her fault for any accident yet she gets out and gives them an ear full.

[@chillsongaming]

If I may ask, do you think shes editing and uploading the videos an such online or do you just think shes not practicing? In no way would her social media keep her from being at the track. Someone else films, she explains whats going on while on the way to the track, in between runs, or after. Someone else edits, someone else manages their channels. I promise you that has very little to do with anything.

[@ha.terade6969]

@@chillsongamingSiMp.

[@chillsongaming]

@@ha.terade6969 ah the old you don’t hate women so you’re a simp card. How will I ever recover?

[@ha.terade6969]

@@chillsongaming LOL. Sure.

[@NyxJinxxx]

@@chillsongamingby commenting and pretending you don’t care 😂 stupid fcker millennials these days…

[@musakhalil7800]

She is a victim of this phenomenon of racers getting shoved to higher divisions too quickly. She got a THIRD place finish in the ARCA Menards Series in her ONLY year there. If she stayed there she could have improved (and just maybe have won a championship there). But no, she immediately got sent to trucks and now looked what happened. Also she did get a top 15 in the NXS at Las Vegas, which is great but that is just ONE race. If she does get more part time Xfinity starts, I really hope she does well.

[@Glitchunlocked]

That's what happens when your dad is a superstar freestyle MX rider/racecar driver and people expect you to be just as good at whatever you do.

[@BkBk-gy6vr]

No, she's not being rushed. she just sucks.

[@squirrel_25]

more like the phenomenon of if you have money and a name you get a ride no matter what level your talent is. All about those dollar bills.

[@johnvandeventer8668]

I’m curious on how she would do in Xfinity. Just because someone was mediocre and bad and trucks, doesn’t mean they would be mediocre and bad in Xfinity

[@duck-o-matic6255]

Yes it does bad is bad good is good and talent is talent.

[@vine6598]

Yes. She wouldnt be mediocre in Xfinity. She would be bad

[@smunger69]

In her 1 start in an SS Greenlight car, she got a 13th, so she might do alright

[@theuncancelable]

​@@vine6598and how would you do

[@murraymiller1604]

@@theuncancelable this is about Deegans lack of talent ,no one else

[@cadillacjohn1994]

I stand by the idea that she should give at least one season in the Xfinity series a try. She’s on the hot seat right now as a nascar driver. I won’t deny that. However, I only declare someone a nascar bust if they’ve tried everything there is to try in the sport, from trucks to cup, and they come up short in all of it. She has struggled in trucks, but if you look at the truck series over the past few years, only three or four good drivers have come from that series to have stable careers like Smith, Hocevar, Rhodes, and Creed. Not to mention, nowadays, with drivers having no knowledge of the terms “respect” and “sportsmanship”, the drivers who aren’t the five or six that are actually competitive like Smith, Hocevar, Rhodes, Crafton or Caruth treat the race like it’s a local fairgrounds demolition derby. It’s like they don’t care what happens to others around them at all. That’s not a good environment to produce talented, knowledgeable drivers out of. Hornaday and Skinner said very much the same thing recently. I know that’s a very cynical way to look at things, but still… something has to be done to improve driver attitude in the trucks, maybe even in all of NASCAR, because eventually, this kind of disrespect will get someone hurt. Sum it up, I say get Deegan out of trucks, and into Xfinity equipment, and see how that goes for at least one season. If all else fails, at least she has her off road racing roots to return to. She won a championship there if I’m not mistaken. I’m not saying that she should just be given a ride just like that, but at the very least, she deserves one last chance to prove herself, before it’s time to cut losses and move on. And lastly, NASCAR needs to get these young, overeager drivers in line, so the honor and dignity of our sport can be saved.

[@wolf-o-rama]

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[@duck-o-matic6255]

Why do we need to praise losing? They’re more deserving drivers who should be full time in Xfinity. Deegan run At Vegas only given her another chance in the Xfinity series for a race. Besides you can debate that her debut was a fluke until seen otherwise.

[@wolf-o-rama]

@@duck-o-matic6255 let’s be honest… ALL WOMEN SUCK IN NASCAR

[@mustangracer5124]

NO woman driver has been given a chance.. black.. ok.. but not women.

[@wolf-o-rama]

@@mustangracer5124 yes they have and I’ll tell you in two words. DANICA PATRICK! She had so many chances and she blew them all away like money. She’s better off in indycar

[@nathan1sixteen]

1) she has seemingly put far more focus on being a KZbin/Social Media influencer than she has racecar driver over the last couple of years. 2) I’m not gonna talk up a 13th place finish when there are only around 15ish cars capable of running up front any given week (the 4 JRM cars, 3 JGR cars, 2 RCR cars, 3 Kaulig cars, and 2 SHR cars. Maybe a few others like the 48, 27, and 25 depending on the race and cars like the 77, 07, and 28 if they have the larger team support due to the driver). Deegan tan 13th in the exact car that Cole Custer had won at Autoclub in earlier in the year. Sure, put her in a few more Xfinity races, but I don’t think it’ll make a difference. Hocevar has run really well in his chances in the Spire (JRM) 77. 3) we all know the only reason she has the seat she has and it has nothing to do with her talent. Her ARCA stats are anything to get excited over. She’s in the truck because she bring funding from Monster and she’s a girl which is great publicity. Why else is someone with an average finish of 17-20 winning most popular driver? It would be like Corey Lajoie or Michael McDowell winning most popular driver.

[@BogLoud]

Hailie Deegan... Welp, for me, I saw her as a hit or miss. In ARCA, I saw her as doing quite good enough. 3rd in K&N West in 2019, 3rd in ARCA, not bad. When I saw that she was heading to Truck Series, I felt like she wasn't gonna set the world on fire by running very much out in front on the regular, but now looking at 2021 and 2022. I wonder if her transfer to ThorSport was a good thing or not, and it seems it wasn't. Driving for a Championship Contender team and barely cracking a top 10 in like after the first half the season... Just underwhelming. But seeing her finishing 13th in 2022 at Las Vegas just makes me wonder. What on earth is going on with her? I mean, I'm feeling that the Danica Patrick effect is still kicking, but, idk. Hot takes or not, idk.. Hailie Deegan so far is close to NASCAR bust, unless a late-resurgeance happens

[@C-WiL]

true

[@duck-o-matic6255]

What’s worse is she’s doing SRX racing how is that going to elevate your Nascar career? Just small signs of a brand not driver and yes other Motersports drivers are in it but the difference they’re all proven in there past or current Motersports.

[@Ka_Gg]

Didn't k&N and ARCA only have like four full-time drivers?

[@Jdfuller82]

She cares more about making youtube videos then she does racing.

[@stigrabbid589]

​​@@duck-o-matic6255ut here is the thing, she did pretty good in SRX against a bunch of old Nascar and IndyCar drivers who could still do good in their respective series if they had good equipment (and in the case of Helio Castroneves, he won the Indy 500 the same year SRX had it's first season, which she competed in), so she does have talent.

[@TheGarnerjustin73]

It doesnt matter if she doesnt win races, she has such a social media following that she brings in the viewers. I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if there was some back room deal teams were getting from allowing her to drive.

[@donjuan8124]

You nailed it! be it bringing in ratings which I don’t think she will make a difference or “strong woman”, she will be around for a while

[@xPeopleKindx]

Its not even her social media that causes it, its her family history.

[@StanleyKubick1]

they don't need a backroom deal. she comes with a lot of sponsors that would otherwise not be interested in racing

[@evanwilliams6406]

Deegan might be better off in cars than trucks. If not, then she can always go X Games and drive rally cars. Her dad'd extreme sports background allows her to go in many directions.

[@WHO_CARES88]

You mean her dads extreme sports background?

[@evanwilliams6406]

@@WHO_CARES88 Yes. I made a typo. Her dad's background can help her.

[@chillsongaming]

Her dad laid a foundation for her but her resume is what lets her go in those directions more than anything. Thats like saying her brother is only in supercross because of his dads background. They are talented and earned their spots, and clearly dont want anything they dont earn or Hailie would be in a cup car because shed bring more money than half the field. I do think the trucks are a weird spot in NASCAR, there are amazing truck series drivers than struggle in the cars, and in the end, the cars are lightyears closer to the Cup cars than the trucks. I think the trucks are mainly to learn race sense on the next level.

[@sergeantmasson3669]

@@evanwilliams6406 Brian Deegan failed in NASCAR also.

[@GatoradeCupSeriesX94]

One year later: Nothing changed. Got benched a race for her garbage driving. Deegan simps are an embarrassment to racing fans.

[@TheMarcusramsey]

Would love to see Matt DiBenedetto drive in her truck. He is out there getting top tens in a Rackley-Willie Allen truck.

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

DiBenedetto would be a championship contender in the 13, love this idea

[@NGPG]

I’m gonna wait until her time in the Xfinity series begins. IMO trucks is a hit or miss series for great talents in the higher two series.

[@duck-o-matic6255]

3 season isn’t long enough?

[@runrafarunthebestintheworld]

@@duck-o-matic6255 no plus she wants to take her time. There's nothing to worry about. It's her time in Xfinity that will show whether she really has it.

[@sergeantmasson3669]

@@duck-o-matic6255 4th season in NASCAR truck series.

[@sergeantmasson3669]

@@runrafarunthebestintheworld she's a dud in all motorsports racing, not just NASCAR. The stats/facts don't lie.

[@michaelforget1232]

She will never go to xfinety

[@TheReilNeil]

I'm sick of TV saying a top 20 run is a great run for her. They don't talk like that for anybody else in top equipment.

[@GatoradeCupSeriesX94]

Hailie Deegan’s 2023 season: -1 top 10 -14 wrecks in 17 races -19th in points -Getting beat by 5 rookies in points -Getting outpointed by her teammates every week Masterclass.

[@Cynon]

She was faster in the Xfinity car than the truck -- I think that's a strong statement about the truck series not being a good training ground for high horsepower drivers. NASCAR needs multiple fast women drivers, but I wish they were all better people than Deegan is.

[@shinystarmiestudios4179]

Shame mary-Louise Miller screwed Johanna Long over.

[@FantasySportsZen]

Ya, no. Lol.

[@GregStewart-ut3yv]

That was one race.

[@infinitelystoned5812]

Only find fast women in the pub

[@Dexter037S4]

Sheena Monk should be given a shot, hell give Simona De Silvestro a cup ride, she drove V8 Supercars for 6-7 years and was pretty decent.

[@philbuell6657]

It all comes down to her pickin either her racing career or on/offline social life. She's gotta pick one or the other and focus all her energy on it!

[@dicksonfranssen]

Well said. Yes she's a pretty girl and can drive better than I ever could but the sport is about driving and not shiny hair and perfect teeth. This isn't about women in racing, I'm all for it until she puts someone in the hospital.

[@Awakelettuce77]

Toni has a good start in Craftmans series, hopefully she'll make it consistent though cus watching Hallie just sad, man.

[@zyx777zyx]

Black Flags Matter forgot to mention this in the video..... If Hailie starts prioritizing her racing career over her KZbin channel, then maybe she can start running up front with her teammates, and in turn give Xfinity owners reason to hire her

[@keenenbenton9843]

I don’t understand why anyone from her team doesn’t say anything.. all she does it seems is leave the track and go straight to making dumb videos with chase.. she is the perfect example of what Tony Stewart said about rich kids and daddy’s money

[@NyxJinxxx]

@@keenenbenton9843exactly

[@hectorzambrano4092]

it's literally double standards in women, that's a big issue that's overshadowed

[@jasonmiller8207]

Kevin Harvick was very underwhelming in trucks before moving up to Xfinity too

[@Alexander23148]

I would like to see Degan do more races in the Xfinity series before going full time in it because just basing it off one race seems silly.

[@hotdog9423]

Rather see Dibenedetto, Ben Rhodes, Nick Sanchez, Stewart Friesen, Grant Enfinger, Christian Eckes to run multiple Xfinity races? Why would you want Deegan over them?

[@trainofthough0242]

@@hotdog9423 And why would you want DiBenedetto? Next to Deegan, he's been the most underwhelming driver in trucks these past 2 years especially considering all his Cup experience. He has not been impressive enough to warrant another chance. His career in the higher series is over. He had his shot already.

[@hotdog9423]

@@trainofthough0242 gonna make the chase in underfunded truck

[@trainofthough0242]

@@hotdog9423 Sure about that? He's only just barely hanging on to a spot at the moment and he didn't make it last year either. You aren't in until you clinch and right now he definitely hasn't clinched a spot yet.

[@hotdog9423]

@@trainofthough0242 go pick a useless argument with someone else. All the drivers I listed deserve better than the rich girl.

[@TheTMoney35]

I think, Darian, that the reason for Hailie's state performance is that, while she's proven that she can drive a racer, especially in competitive equipment, she doesn't have a solid crew chief that would provide the essential ingredient of champagne chemistry in what separates good drivers from the greats. For example, if one followed Hailie Deegan as she vlogged her experience(s) competing in the Camping World SRX Series, the chemistry she had with 'Hollywood' Jeff Hammond felt reminiscent of, say, Jeff Gordon working with Ray Evernham or Jimmie Johnson working with Chad Knaus. It's why that dynamic served as the focal point in the 1990 film 'Days of Thunder,' and why the recent dynasties of Formula One are backed-up by the winning combination of driver(s) and Team Principal. If one had competitive Xfinity Series equipment, and came up with a game plan to elevate Hailie to NCS competition within three years, orchestrate a packaged deal between Deegan and Hammond in a formula for success. Similar to how Rick Hendrick signed Jeff Gordon and Ray Evernham 31 years ago. It's why Danica Patrick may be looked back upon as the Raul Boesel of NASCAR. A wonderful driver who never won a race. Danica proved she belonged in competitive equipment, yet she did not have that champagne chemistry that would have propelled her to further greatness.

[@BigA316]

Talent is talent. Doesn’t matter if it’s Trucks or Xfinity. Deegan isn’t trending towards a bust - she is a bust.

[@GatoradeCupSeriesX94]

Rajah Caruth now has more wins, than Deegan scored top 5s in 3 seasons of trucks.

[@Mac-td7lt]

I've always wished her well and I've been holding my breath hoping to see her do well. I'm now purple. I really don't think she has what it takes. Bad finish, wreck. Bad finish and more wrecks. The numbers don't lie. It's always something.

[@TomLehockySVK]

Did i read correctly that she is going into xFinity next year ?? Her average finish in Trucks was 21.st this year, and only 2 top 10s. There are so many amazing drivers who overal finished in the Top 10 of the year, and all of them are deserving of a xFinity ride much more than Deegan ever did after 3 years of being a bust.

[@ic3man]

4:20 tbf Lawless doesn’t get as good equipment as Carson Hocevar so I think that’s pretty inaccurate, inappropriate and ignorant to say he’s the last person who should be saying that.

[@XJag9684]

I know this was last year, but I do agree with that statement. Also, he was in 17th working his way up, she doored the shit outta him and I'm sure she wasn't in 18th place at the time!!

[@bridawg24]

Her top priority is social media attention. She won't improve.

[@GatoradeCupSeriesX94]

Aged well!

[@nurabsal0x018c]

I feel like we could say the same about so many drivers - trying to make them happen rather than develop on their own timeline always leads to disappointment. I’m not quite ready to write her off as a brand rather than a racer but we’ll see I guess.

[@jc1424]

I'm absolutely doubting the point of moving to the Xfinity series if most days she can't run well in trucks or keep it one piece.

[@RussellTurman]

The usual Deegan fan boy comment is "she's always caught up in someone else's mess" what they and Hailie fail to mention is she is constantly moving backwards. She can't keep pace and as a result is constantly wrecking

[@racefan7296]

I’m doing the same thing with her I’m doing with bubba. Where would they be if it weren’t for outside influence. I always compared bubba to a hot headed Chris Buescher. Serviceable, maybe gets a win a year, but more of a mid pack driver. I’d say deegan is like a Austin Dillon. You KNOW there’s talent there, because we’ve seen it, but it rarely shows. Their in top rides in their series running 15-30 on the regular. I’m willing to give her one more year to prove herself, but she’s running out of time

[@ryanscott717]

I feel like just because some people do well in the Trucks series as well as other series doesn't take away from the fact that some people just aren't good in trucks, but are good elsewhere. It's a logical fallacy.

[@ollieminecraft]

The reason she left Toyota is because she spun Derek Kraus trying to win at Dacono Speedway, and I witnessed the whole thing. Dacono Speedway is in Colorado, my home state.

[@TNR_Blade]

Good drivers know how to hustle a car. Great drivers can hustle ANY car. If you want to be considered for a cup ride, you better be able to perform in both Xfinity AND Trucks

[@NASCARFAN93100]

I really do feel bad for Deegan at this point

[@RandomCarl05]

4:01 I understand he was mad about it, but that is really ironic

[@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT]

She’s wasting her time in Trucks. Trucks is terrible. However, that no excuse for her to underperform since 2021. I still prefer her to learn in Xfinity since Xfinity is more skilled and better than Trucks

[@NASCARFAN93100]

I agree, The Truck Series is Not for her

[@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT]

@@NASCARFAN93100 I don’t think it’s for anybody nowadays. It’s a shadow of its former self

[@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT]

@@NASCARFAN93100 neither is Xfinity

[@NASCARFAN93100]

@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT NASCAR Busts: Hailie Deegan

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

People using Deegan’s underperformance to dunk on the Truck Series and say it’s bad for drivers are actually pathetic The likes of William Byron, Daniel Suarez, Christopher Bell, Ryan Blaney, Chase Elliott, Chase Briscoe, Austin Cindric, Noah Gragson, Justin Haley, Ryan Preece, Zane Smith and Todd Gilliland all cut their teeth in Trucks

[@sergeantmasson3669]

The stats/facts don't lie. She's a dud in all motorsports racing, not just NASCAR.

[@BeastOfMetal1989]

What's now ARCA West was more shallow back in 2019 than anyone who wasn't paying attention to advanced stats realized. Her 1.76 PEER in that series was ranked second, but she posted an equivalent rating in her part-time ARCA East schedule that year and ranked midpack. ARCA National was also incredibly shallow in 2020 - she was one of four drivers who ran the full schedule for a competitive organization, and posted no wins. There were warning flags that she wasn't ready, but I'm also not sure where she could have gotten ready in a better fashion. It's also worth noting that before turning to NASCAR, she tried to follow in her father's footsteps in short course trophy truck racing, specifically the now-defunct Lucas Oil Off-Road Racing Series, but stalled in the Pro Lite division - basically equivalent to the Xfinity Series within that sanction.

[@zt5547]

Lawless Alan is the last person who should be calling somebody else "talentless". 0 top 10s in 3 seasons...

[@sjs3469]

Has about the same averages as Deegan and she is in way better equipment

[@andrewdotmp4]

Niece Motorsports are poverty

[@duck-o-matic6255]

He truck not has good as his teammates specifically the 41 and 42

[@pilotguy27]

Agree, Freddy Fazbear aka "Lawless Alan", is the last person to be calling anybody talentless. Don't know why everyone is sticking up for him on social media. But then again, it is social media....

[@zt5547]

@@andrewdotmp4 Yet Carson Hocevar has more wins this season than any other driver. ;)

[@johnthomas8605]

Haley's issues is she lacks hunger. If she had spent a number of seasons learning and earning her ride and advancement down in a short track series she would be a much different driver. Had Haley spent a few seasons in a short track series where banging fenders is a matter of course and drivers need to learn the aggression that Haley doesn't have. In Haley's defense, many of the new young drivers have a similar issue that Haley has; quick progress at a young age through the the "lower" ranks and ending up struggling in the trucks and Xfinity series. Then these young, talented, but very inexperienced drivers get into a situation where now they are in a make or break situation with their career. When divers are 21 and looking at their racing career ending while in the truck series there is an issue. The on track things drivers need to understand and be willing to do should be learned at a place like Greenville Pickens or North Myrtle Beach, or Eldora, not at Daytona or Charlotte. If I was a team owner with a driver like Haley, especially Haley, I would pull her out of the full time truck ride and send her on the road to the late dirt series with some paved ovals mixed in. Tell them "win your way back to full time trucks". Haley Degan is a pretty face with allot of money behind her. She will not improve because she has no motivation to improve. She is marketed by her sponsors and as long as she is able to rep their brands, sell their products, and be a spokesperson that gives sponsors a return on investment, she will fail to impress in any series she drives in.

[@snbks4ever]

Great video for starters. Imo, it's a little early as Eric said to say whether she's a bust at this point. She's still really early in her career. You can easily say she's underwhelmed considering the attention she's gotten but too early to say she's a bust.

[@austinbehindyou6767]

But see what most people forget is the truck series was never a development series, it was originally for the veterans like Crafton, Sauter, Hornady and Skinner who were never great in Cup or Xfinity they made the truck series, also just want to say that some drivers just don't do good in trucks, take Harrison Burton, Noah Gragson for example, there's a reason why alot of drivers skip the truck series for development and go straight to Xfinity, the development program should be ARCA, Xfinity, Cup

[@killerta87]

Only reason she keeps getting chance after chance is she's a pretty young girl...... put an average looking guy in SAME EXACT SITUATION and they would be shit-canned after 2 seasons.

[@mat99rich]

There is a couple of things to take into consideration. When she first started in late models/K&N it was her primary focus. When she moved into ARCA the brand deals were coming her way and also she decided to also build up her own channel. When she entered trucks she started dating Chase and started doing merch and other things. To me her focus is not NASCAR. She can say it all she wants but you can see it in her videos. She cares more about her social media than she does about making it in NASCAR. I don't know if it is because of just how bad she started out in Trucks demoralizing her or if the want to do well faded and now she is stuck because of her contract with Ford. But I genuinely don't think her heart is in NASCAR anymore. Now if she did get a ride in Xfinity and just started doing well I will take it back but right now I honestly think she should have stayed in ARCA for a couple of years not immediately jumping into Trucks. I think she was too fresh in Trucks and she really didn't have the practice outside of short tracks. She needed more time with Speedways and super speedways before moving into trucks. And honestly most of what she is learning in trucks will not transfer over to xfinity and cup. She probably could have skipped trucks altogether and probably been just fine. Edit: Also just because someone has a championship crewcheif doesn't really mean anything. It is more of the relationship you have with your crew. I have seen the way he will look at her when she is explaining her car to him. Everytime it seems like someone looking at someone who doesn't know what they are talking about. I am not saying one way or the other on what she knows. But you need a crew chief that will listen. Because in the end of the day it doesn't matter what the crew chief thinks what matters is how the driver feels. There has been a few times I could tell Hallie has asked for something in the car and based off her race vlogs it doesn't always seem like she is getting the adjustments she is asking for. You can be in the best car in the race but if it doesn't feel right you are not going to race well.

[@Ultimate23Dragon]

A few years ago, I made note of Darian's "Real Deal" Series being a curse after the horrendous treatment Natalie Decker received during her brief time in Trucks. I ended it by saying "Ryan Vargas, Chandler Smith, & especially Hailie Deegan, you've... been... warned." Darian called me a "nutcase" as a result, but it turns out the actual nutcases were in fact the Deegan defenders, & especially those who are *simps,* which over 90% of Deegan's "fan base" is. I see that Darian has learned his lesson. Darian may have been the one to introduce the racing community to Natalie Decker, but we all knew of Hailie Deegan before she came into to NASCAR. In double the time & opportunity Deegan got compared to Decker & in equal or better equipment, Deegan hasn't been able to get a Top 5 like Decker has _(But Dragon, that was at Daytona, anyone can get a Top 5 there;_ Then take away one of Deegan's Top 10's because Talladega). Yeah she's gotten a few Top 10's, but everyone thought she'd be an absolute goat by now for some reason. Now here she is in *ThorSport equipment,* & while everyone & their grandmother insisted that Johnny Sauter is "wAsHeD", Princess Hailie is doing about the same or more often that not *worse* than Sauter *when he was being guinea pigged by ThorSport,* & in Sauter's truck! Face it. Y'all overhyped the heck out of Deegan. And now she's a certified NASCAR Bust. At least with Decker you have DGR (Now Tricon) not giving a damn, health ailments, & lack of sponsorship as to what's been holding her back & why she's been racing part-time & trying that Twitch streaming endeavor thing of hers since the end of 2020... Only one of those reasons applied to Deegan, & she's not with DGR/Tricon anymore. Honestly I really hope she's gone from NASCAR after this year. This *can't* continue for her. For Deegan's sake, she needs to go back to the off road trucks. She's actually good there & she'll be happier there. She doesn't have to worry about the simps as most of them will just go away, & she doesn't have to worry about being guinea pigged or being apart of manufacture's stupidity.

[@brendanbirth4307]

A more charitable take on her 2023 is that she is up against three tough teammates: Crafton, Rhodes, and Majeski. Two of them are former champions and the third could very easily win a championship this year. Those three drivers could make many look distinctly average by comparison.

[@JACKSGTS]

She is to worried about her social media than racing.

[@jagsbejaggin]

I think that in all honesty, I'd have to wait until she makes a season in Xfinity. Yes, while Corey Heim, Carson Hocevar, and Zane Smith are thriving in the Truck Series, but the best example of this is Carson. While he is thriving in the Truck Series, I can't help but look at how consistent he is in Xfinity. In his debut with Spire, he ran up in the top 5 almost all day and finished a respectable 6th, and backed that up with an 8th place run at Charlotte. Although getting taken out at Nashville, he was running 5th at the time. With that, I think Xfinity will be the final straw for most NASCAR fans to label her as a bust.

[@zyx777zyx]

Hocevar is a future Cup series star. I can tell.

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

You have at least look like winning a Truck race or two for Xfinity teams to be interested Hocevar is a constant frontrunner

[@AnthonyLeach]

I can see her being a real estate agent like Dylan Kwasniewski if racing doesn't work out.

[@hotdog9423]

Dylan was way better than her too

[@sergeantmasson3669]

@AnthonyLeach, she'd botch that too.

[@GatoradeCupSeriesX94]

Or a Guangdong Tiger!

[@UahUahUah]

Nothing about a race truck is aerodynamic at all. I think we should take that into account when evaluating these developing drivers. I think she'd do a lot better in a more slippery, streamline Xfinity car, but that's just me. I'm hard-pressed to write someone off until their performance tanks in the sedan series versus the truck series. The drag coefficient on the trucks just isn't something all the development drivers will master. She ran the old Gen 6 cars in ARCA Menards very well.

[@lorddrac_dontaskmetodance]

As a Hailie Deegan fan, it's been very underwhelming for sure. I have lost a bit of hype for her because of her lackluster performances. I do want to see her make a move to the Xfinity Series, since her debut there was respectable. Some drivers just aren't cut out for certain series, kinda like how Jimmie Johnson was pretty bad in the Xfinity Series aside from one win. Some drivers are more suited to some cars than others. Plus did you hear Natalie Decker got another ride? Blasphemy.

[@mykemech]

I think Decker is owner/driver, which is the only way I can see her getting a ride.

[@gojeffgordon24]

Finally someone says it! The guys on Door Bumper Clear seem to be in denial if you ask me. They have an excuse every time she is mentioned on the show. My question is does she bring enough money for someone to let her drive there Xfinity car? It would be interesting to see how she could do, but in every series the price goes up to be there.

[@kylestraveljournal]

All the "wait til Xfinity" people are so annoying. Winners can win in all forms of racing. Thorsport is probably the best team she will ever get. Many drivers would beg for this opportunity and not only that they gave her Luches as a crew chief who literally was a few laps away from being a back to back championship crew chief. Plus looks like the sponsor dollars are drying up as well, which means when ford has had enough her run is over. It don't think it's a talent issue, I think it's a passion issue. I would like to see her turn it around but I don't think she cares to.

[@SuzukiRacer055]

Honestly I love Deegan, I think she has a ton of talent, and she has a great attitude towards her fans which is a big plus. That being said... I don't think she is Xfinity series type material. Those cars are on a whole different level when it comes to competition. Gosh I wish she could have some good luck and win a race but I just don't see it happening. Just a marketing money maker for sure no matter what and that in itself will keep her in racing for a while especially with a sponsor like Monster.

[@ryanburgess3762]

She should go run the cars tour for a year and see what happens.

[@johnhaas2523]

I think she's going to be an Xfinity Series next year and Freddie and tj think she will do much better

[@willengland7336]

In my opinion, Hailie Deegan will go down as a NASCAR Truck Series Bust. However, that doesn’t mean that she doesn’t have any talent. As many have said, she finished 13th in her Xfinity debut. While impressive, I am currently not sure if she will be a consistent contender for wins. She has also shown a lot of talent in SRX and in the Michelin Pilot Challenge. If things don’t go well for her in NASCAR, I think she’ll do well in other forms of motorsport. If there’s a place where she could possibly turn her season around, it will be at Mid Ohio next weekend because she ran well there last year and has been okay on road courses.

[@budzilla00]

I say let the girl do whatever she wants to do! As human beings we should all have support for each other in this treacherous 🌎.

[@GregStewart-ut3yv]

She has a ride a real driver should.

[@GregStewart-ut3yv]

She is only there because she looks good in a firesuit.

[@bparks_5095]

As a Harrison Burton fan, her situation really reminds me of his, underwhelming in trucks, but lit it up with 4 or 5 wins in 2 years in xfinity. You never know what could happen should she land a good xfinity ride… Perhaps the cars suit her better 🤷‍♂️

[@zyx777zyx]

Well if she stops prioritizing her KZbin channel over becoming a better driver, than maybe she can start running better and give teams a reason to give her an Xfinity ride

[@bparks_5095]

@@zyx777zyx Agreed, she definitely should be focusing 100% of her free time on bettering her craft

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

Harrison Burton was given one of the fastest cars in Xfinity, the JGR 20 That’s another key detail in this

[@zaymclovin4178]

Darian’s been brave lately lol

[@dislocation8400]

I like Deegan she has a great personality and has a great following however, she just needs to be better

[@CamohFN]

"Once you bust you cant come back" - Eric Estepp 2023

[@goindownhill1116]

I wanted her to do well. I’ve watched the vast majority of her races and she doesn’t appear to have the aggressiveness to move her truck to the front. She seems content with not crashing instead of trying to win…….WIN! Run it like you just stole it ! Go Go Go . You know what I mean ?

[@John-kx3ng]

The thing I find most interesting about all this is the fact of how Thorsport changed everything to accommodate her . Manufacture, crew members and pretty much the whole culture. I know this from someone who is currently employed with the team and thats what I was told. Ford came in and made her the priority there and the other drivers are pretty much an afterthought as well .

[@MarvinHartmann452]

That's more from the fact that she's bringing a lot of attention and views to her sponsors than the fact that she's good at driving, and as long as she has all her fans on social media who follow her, she'll be there, no matter if she win or not because as we know, more visibility = more views and more views = publicity = more potential customers and obviously, more money for her sponsor, these people aren't stupid and they know she's very popular despite her poor performances. So, good to her. Edit: grammar, english isn't my language.

[@NyxJinxxx]

@@MarvinHartmann452not the right kind of attention

[@penskepc2374]

It sucks because she would definitely boost cup series ratings

[@zyx777zyx]

I want to see Hailie Deegan win and run in the Top 5 consistently, but idk man, it's been 3 years in the Trucks and now she's driving top tier equipment, but STILL running way behind her teammates and crashing every other week. She's been qualifying better this year, but as soon as they drop the green flag, she falls back. I'd like to see her in an SHR Xfinity car, but is that opportunity fair? What about the other young Truck drivers who have performed better than her? They deserve these Xfinity rides over Hailie, if we're being honest.

[@illlllsmoke]

If she lands a ride in Xfinity it won't be jr motorsports or shr. They hire actual talent over sponsorships. And it hurts them at times but for the most part it works. Without the name, good looks or sponsorships Haley would be driving a late model stock at your local short track

[@trainofthough0242]

@@illlllsmoke lol SHR hiring talent over sponsorships? That's a riot. They're literally keeping Almirola from retiring at the moment because they need his Smithfield sponsor. Just like they kept Danica Patrick aboard longer than she deserved because of her sponsors. Same reason they hold onto Riley Herbst and his Monster sponsorship even though he flat out stinks. SHR is no beacon of good hiring decisions. Their driver lineup next year is going to be Josh Berry, Aric Almirola, Chase Briscoe, and Ryan Preece. It's a joke. Harvick is the only reason SHR is even relevant right now. They missed the opportunity to get Larson when he was available. They missed the opportunity to get Kyle Busch because they decided to rehire Almirola (again because of sponsors) and they were stuck in contract with Preece which is quite possibly the worst hiring SHR has done yet. What anybody sees in Preece, I don't know. They're stuck with Custer because he's Gene Haas' nephew or whatever but at least he does well in Xfinity to warrant staying there. Kurt Busch left SHR and did better, Suarez left SHR and is now doing much better as well. It wouldn't be a shocker at all if Deegan ends up in Xfinity for SHR as that's about her only destination if she insists on staying with Ford. Unless Penske comes out of the woodwork and enters back into Xfinity then there's no other options with Ford besides SHR or an SHR aligned satellite team. JR Motorsports is not an option because it's not a Ford team and she's not leaving Ford again.

[@illlllsmoke]

@@trainofthough0242 That's a good google review. Thanks. Kurt Busch didn't leave SHR bc of performance. Suarez is doing better but it's bc Track house is very fast. Some drivers need very good equipment to look decent. Your assessment isn't terrible but it's about what an average fan would say. Their line up next year a joke? Very far off. Btw. Every single team that actually competes in nascar has to have sponsorships. Look at Mtj. Before this year everyone said he's lost it, there keeping him for his bass pro shop sponsorships. No one is saying that now. SHR's line up next year, facts, in the last 2 years everyone of them have won races. But to an average fan I understand your take. How many races has Haley deagon won in the last 3 years? 0. Berry, Almirola, Briscoe, Preece all have won races in that time. And Shr won at Chicago too. But your right. They have no talent and just want them for their sponsorships. Wow. So out of touch

[@Kyuubii999]

move her up to xfinity for a year and then we'll see if her perfomance gets better or if it stays how it is rn

[@trevorsports98]

It's bout time for this video to happened 👏👍

[@GatoradeCupSeriesX94]

Can’t wait for this years’ video. Got BENCHED a race!

[@danw2112]

And she got fired the day after the Chicago street race. 😂🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@GatoradeCupSeriesX94]

@@danw2112 Deegan simps hate reality

[@H0LLOW_PRIV]

How will the simps defend her now

[@hectorzambrano4092]

LOL people are really simping over her? God save this forsaken world

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

I don’t understand how the solution for fixing underperformance is getting promoted to a higher-level series That 13 truck and ThorSport are meant to be championship caliber, if the person who replaces her starts performing it’s not a good look

[@johnhaas2523]

Not everybody is good in the truck series but people do better in the Xfinity series just because everybody drives like idiots in the truck series with so many young drivers that Tony Stewart wouldn't even hire

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

@@johnhaas2523 That doesn’t make sense, the Xfinity series is a higher level of drivers and talent than the Truck series, surely it’s easier to perform better against “bad drivers” as you call them

[@Christopherbellfan203]

I’m really hoping she still gets a chance in xfinity.

[@avgeekviggi8360]

For her to run 25th all week lol

[@GatoradeCupSeriesX94]

@@avgeekviggi8360 She can't even run 25th! 💀

[@DrDerpPlays]

I'd still love to see what she could do in xfinity, maybe she'd show flashes of brilliance in it, cause clearly the trucks aren't doing it for her, I dont even pay attention to her truck stuff anymore, it's basically just a matter of when will she crash out

[@Corvin152]

There's a reason why JGR Development Drivers are skipping trucks. Just sayin'

[@DanielYoung21]

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[@brianmiller3227]

I wouldn't mind seeing more Xfinity starts for her. Then if that don't work, it's a bust.

[@xXSlImReEfErXx]

Let’s be real, she’s also gotten more breaks than a lot more deserving drivers because of her dad.

[@jonnie2bad]

this 24/7/365. it's the only reason she's in a car and still hanging around. The only reason anyone even knows wtf she is.

[@schalitz1]

Even if you take him out of the picture minorities, whether gender or race, will always get more breaks. Just look a Bubba and Danica.

[@Moose6340]

I'm going to wait and see how she does in some Xfinity starts. The racing seems cleaner and more her style. Trucks can be pretty...uneven. You get taken out by other people WAY too much in trucks. Maybe she's a bust, but I'd like to see her run several Xfinity races before passing judgement. Now I do wish she'd worry a little less about being an "influencer" and getting, um, accessorized in the off-season, and a little more about her driving. But otherwise I like her attitude.

[@diceguy10]

I say give her a 1 year deal in Xfinity and that deal determines if she continues to race or not. She brings funding, so why wouldn't a smaller team take a chance and see if she's cut out to be a future star.

[@aakar88]

She has a humongous fan base and is only 21 yrs old, development time is needed. She is a goldmine for NASCAR and is good enough to still perfect her craft.

[@WizardKingNick]

I had high hope for Deegan when I saw how she was preforming in the lower series. I'm however disappointed in her Truck series stats. Honestly if I was a Xfinity series owner I'd be hesitant to put her in a car full time as of now. She doesn't even need to win in my opinion just be more consistent. Time will tell.

[@henrythef1guy768]

Do y’all think the bad season Hailie is having this year has anything to do with the number of her car?

[@reimssi]

Nah, Johnny Sauter did quite well in the same car and number

[@davelikesbacon]

The criticism is absolutely fair. One of her biggest issues is she's more interested in being a KZbinr than being a race car driver. Obviously we don't know everything that's going on in her life and her training, but you don't see her running late model races. You don't see her running arca races. You don't see her running anything other than her Sprint car once in a while. She needs seat time. Ford needs to be putting her in other cars. She should be running a dirt races in late models. She needs to be running races for the cars tour. She needs to be in ARCA cars. It just seems to me that the Ford driver development program is doing very little to develop its driver.

[@peekaboo1575]

Wasn't she going to do OF or some such thing?

[@reimssi]

Nah that was Natalie Decker

[@peekaboo1575]

@@reimssi I stand corrected. Cheers.

[@DirigoDuke]

I’ll get ripped for saying this, I'm sure, but it seemed like Hailee really started to tank about the time she started getting serious with Chase, as if, maybe subconsciously at least, she's afraid to show him up, or make him feel bad that his career kind of stalled out. That happens. Johanna has had opportunities, I’m sure, but right now she and her husband are raising a family while focusing primarily on his racing career.

[@kadenlemon495]

I’ve said this a lot and I’m going to keep saying it. GET HER OUT OF THE TRUCK SERIES! I think the truck series has just become absolutely terrible recently and you can make the arguments about their current big 3 of sorts. Well I’m still not quite sold on hocevar but anyway, 13th in her xfinity debut. Clearly that’s where she needs to be instead of with people who other than a few exceptions can’t drive to save their lives.

[@crimsonstorm34]

Hoecevar is the real deal. He's starting to really hit his groove now since he has a pair of wins. I'd add Rajah Caruth and Zane Smith.

[@kadenlemon495]

@@crimsonstorm34 let’s be honest. Only one of those wins hocevar really deserved

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

This makes no sense. If she’s 18th in a series of people who “can’t drive” how can she be expected to perform better in a series with better drivers Surely she’d get better results against worse drivers than better ones?

[@kadenlemon495]

@@Duval-In-The-Wall go talk to Harrison Burton on that one.

[@GatoradeCupSeriesX94]

So... Why does she suck as well in Xfinity? Excuses excuses. She's DEAD LAST in the Xfinity standings. You Deegan simps are a disgrace to real racing fans.

[@SilverBulletOBW]

There’s a good reason that cavalry, chariots, horse racing, etc dating back eons and eons has exhibited one big common trend. When it comes to professions where endurance, toughness, and extreme competitiveness is in order, certain genetic and hormonal traits are required. It’s not a subject of hatred or bias, folks - it just is what it is!