It’s time to kill the Playstation 5

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Is buying a PS5 or Xbox really a better bang for your buck? Or, with a little creativity, can you build a gaming PC for the same price, and put shame to the Sony name?
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0:00 Intro
1:30 The CPU
2:30 The Motherboard
4:30 Storage
5:03 Storm Trooper
6:05 PSU and GPU
7:40 Doom Eternal
10:00 The Problem with HDR
11:50 Death Stranding
13:30 Ratchet and Clank
14:30 God of War
15:45: Buyer Protection
17:25 The Last of Us
19:00 The Final Comparison
20:35 Outro

[@YourBlackLocal]

Linus just skyrocketed the price of all these parts…

[@YogurtSnipe]

Rip

[@aquss33]

there's way too many 5600X cpus to skyrocket their prices and as for the intel GPU, noone should buy there first gen things unless they wanna have problems, so doubt it will significantly impact anything

[@Sha-gb5ou]

i been wondering when they'd do a video on this hahah, rip prices/stock

[@Jason-ol1ty]

at least it's not as bad as when the toastybros make a video about a budget ebay build and the parts are sold out or gouged immediately

[@Leander_2000]

@@aquss33you can also pick any other 5xxx cpu without significant change in the budget

[@zdanee]

An AMD CPU with an intel GPU, the most unholiest thing in existence today!

[@honkhonkler7732]

It's like the inverse of 2012 when the meta was a Sandy Bridge i7 with a Radeon HD 7970.

[@willcail001]

That's my PC

[@TheIntrepidSockKnitter]

My new build will be Intel CPU and AMD GPU!

[@markowens5446]

I am going to do it.

[@button-puncher]

...dogs and cats, living together!!! - Peter Venkman

[@batuhancokmar7330]

I'll state a few missed yet obvious points though. 1- Its 475$ vs 320$ if we being fair about going 2nd hand. 2- A PC is not limited to PS5 games. While a PS5 may have a few exclusives, there are hundreds if not thousands of games playable on PC but not on a PS5... 3- A PC is not ONLY a gaming machine. You won't be editing photos from your last trip on a PS5. Last point is important why? Because if you need to buy, upgrade and maintain a PC alongside your PS5 anyway, it may only need marginally better components to match the performance of PS5.

[@ledocteur7701]

Games on console are also far better optimized than even very well optimized PC games, simply because you're optimizing for a singular machine with pre-defined hardware and software instead of a whole variety of different hardware and softwares, so the PC has by default quite a bit more weight to pull in order to match performance. Another important factor is the inherent fabrication cost of modularity, a PS5 has one metal/plastic "shell", all the components (apart from storage) are completely barebones if taken out, while each PC components (apart from the CPU) has to be self-contained, so you end up with way more metal and plastic that while necessary, don't contribute anything to the fully assembled build.

[@greybuckleton]

I feel that with the upscaling comparison, say with the beard, that can come down to the sharpness filter more than anything, and thats adjustable.

[@morromeyer]

Showing 20fps gameplay was a really nice way of reminding people to turn on ReBAR.

[@iambroda2257]

You’re not my dad!

[@traestephen7276]

​@@iambroda2257can confirm Im his father

[@nopelol8718]

If your CPU supports it that is.

[@boomer150]

Unless you don't know what your doing like most people. I remember in the old days I was scared to even load by bios because I was worried I would break the computer. Most people see gibberish they don't understand in the bios.

[@pcmasterracetechgod5660]

Using ARC was an extreme oversight and terrible idea for a video trying to show people PC is a better alternative to console. Will you sometimes run into the crashing/issues shown in this video? Yes on rare occasion, not every game you try playing like in this video.

[@reploid123]

the thing about console vs PC is at the end of the day you also have a PC, that's worth it in my book

[@TheGoldenMan99]

That's true, I am personally considering whether to buy a console or a PC. I have and always need a Laptop, so I am kind of swinging PS5 to replace my PS4. However the PS3 just broke down so emulation would be nice... Ah it's to difficult of a choice

[@thebestdamager7400]

Also, you make the money back with paying 50% less for games.

[@Dempig]

@@thebestdamager7400 lol what? these days console games are cheaper 90% of the time.

[@realryleu]

@TheGoldenMan99 PS3 emulation works on PC!

[@InfernosReaper]

@@TheGoldenMan99I heard a rumor that PS5 has PS3 emulation. It might be worth looking into seeing if that rumor is true because that could be the tiebreaker

[@SalandFindles]

This made me feel better about my PSU purchase back in January. I got the Seasonic FOCUS GX-850, 80+ Gold. My previous 2 year old Cooler Master 750W failed embarrassingly bad. I had to temporarily use my 11 year old EVGA PSU just to regain use of my computer. I couldn't really game because it didn't have enough juice for my modern hardware.

[@JoebsonOSRS]

8:35 how are us regular people supposed to know stufflike this. That one thing made such a huge difference

[@kenkaze75]

You know Intel are bad since 4 years... If he took the RX 6600XT that I can found at $130, it kill the PS5...

[@arx48]

what even is allthat? can anyone explain?

[@zoopa9988]

@@arx48 AFAIK those are software/driver features that you should enable in the BIOS.

[@ruinedlasagna]

it's a BIOS, not CIA software. Enable 2 things and you're done.

[@oliverdurgen5953]

YOU aren't supposed to know stuff like that. YOU are supposed to buy a Playstation. boom, problem solved.

[@IsaacAllwood]

I love how Linus called the 6700xt and 3060ti 'boring' and then proceeded to show us all what makes those boring cards so useful, namely not having to fuck around with driver support and HDR implimentations, etc. No hate on the A770, it's a cool card, but boring has its advantages sometimes.

[@mcslender2965]

Iirc the a750 is usually cheaper than the 6600xt and has better performance plus better upscaling tech w XeSS, driver jank aside

[@IsaacAllwood]

@@mcslender2965 Here, in Australia that is, you can pickup a 6600 for $50 cheaper then the A750. Which is only slightly less powerful then the A750. Up to the person in question of course, if you're a tinker then the A750 is a great card. But if you don't want to deal with its teething issues then the 6000 series is the way to go. Value for money is great, but the equation is not purely about performance, it's also about the experience with the card. Atleast that's my opinion!

[@Alphawolf2325]

I think it was just a "I'm tired of team red/green" thing, and prolly just wanted to mix it up while also seeing if Intel drivers have changed the card for the better.

[@IsaacAllwood]

@@Alphawolf2325 Probably, I don't think so though. Still the point stands, either would have been a better pic for an entry level build. As the person most likely using an entry level build isn't going to be someone tech savy enough to troubleshoot that kinda card.

[@moaa042]

In the US at least, the Arc A770 is cheaper than the 6700 XT (even if you go used) which matters a lot in a budget like this, but moreover I think the idea was to match (really beat) the 16gb of combined memory of the console, and the A770 is the only 16gb card cheap enough for this budget.

[@willwunsche6940]

Steam Deck OLED made me realize just how shockingly important HDR is for gaming. It's a dramatically better looking image when enabled for no fps cost. Windows/developers and everyone on PC really needs to focus on getting it supported better

[@bodiwire]

@willwunsche6940 To be fair to windows and game devs, hdr standards and implementations on tvs and monitors are a mess. A lot of them are theoretically hdr capable, but not in a way anyone would want to use.

[@jlb4685]

That’s the thing with HDR, you can’t be sold it with words, you have to own it for a bit and then try to switch back to SDR. Games with realistic graphics look like over saturated cartoons in SDR mode.

[@gravityomega9607]

It's just better colors ofc it won't cost you fps lol

[@nerd20fromdiscord]

So basically your saying everyone should be rich and able to afford an hdr monitor? Thats silly, plus i would take higher referesh rate or more resolution over hdr any day

[@UmVtCg]

@fromdiscord Yeah, they should set their priorities straight and get that real HDR OLED monitor. So developers will support it in more games. Eat dry bread for a year, sell your GF, sister or bumhole behind a dumpster if necessary. Just do whatever it takes and get that shiny HDR screen! By the way, these monitors have high res and refreshrates by default.

[@BobSmith-ed4dz]

Shouldn’t the budget actually be the equivalent of a digital only ps5 on eBay for a fair comparison?

[@vandammage1747]

Yep and with a $70 controller

[@simracingchannel7691]

Of course.

[@GeorgePerakis]

@@vandammage1747 why do you need a 70$ controller when a 10$ controller will do the same job? It's not like the fancy vibration tech is supported on PC anyway, that's actually a plus for the Playstation, if you give a shit, which, yeah, most people don't, because keyboard and mouse is still better, and not even an option on PS5.

[@GeorgePerakis]

But the PS5 needs you to pay to play online and the PS Store is nowhere near as good as Steam in any respect. Plus, don't you need that theoretical PS5 that can install mods and emulators or at the very least play PS2 games? I don't think Sony has released that one yet.

[@simracingchannel7691]

@GeorgePerakis PS5 dualsense works just fine on PC, fancy vibrations and haptic triggers and all.

[@Dunk4200]

So 3 years later with no price drop a pc that cost $100 more than a digital ps5 still loses? Maybe try this again right before ps6 drops.

[@meatpixel256]

You can't ignore the shipping if you are going to talk eBay. Shipping fee's cancel out most deals on eBay, especially shipping to Canada.

[@lilimccoy6194]

depends, I buy servers all the time and sometimes you will get a system at the same price but with free shipping from more reputable sellers. also free shipping is relatively common on ebay, even to canada.

[@x0bre]

You can literally search local and there's a check box for free shipping, good deals come up with effort

[@Joham99]

try qatar i cant get nothing here

[@vengefulrat3053]

Try shipping to south Africa. It's insane

[@chrissnyder4439]

Also can't ignore you can also buy a used PS5 and save.

[@kimpossible4450]

If you're buying used PC parts, you should also compare it to a used PS5. So around $330.

[@Ethan_FPV]

I never even thought of that. But yeah, you kinda have to if you’re going down that route with PC.

[@janoschk.5730]

Then you should also include the the PSN or PS plus or whatever that you need to play online Multiplayer (and the ability to do this is also required for some offline single player games) Edit: Ignore what I wrote in the parenthesis, I got this wrong.

[@alanamarko]

@@janoschk.5730there is not one single player game on PS5 that requires PS Plus to play or access it. not one.

[@janoschk.5730]

@@alanamarko OK sorry, I looked it up and you are totally right

[@Tekeysix]

​@janoschk.5730 You also don't need ps+ for free to play games. so basically the biggest online games are 100% free anyway.

[@andreww2925]

A large benefit to a building a PC is that when parts do need to be replaced it is much easier to just swap out specific parts. Whereas with a console they limit a lot of what you can do to improve it. Making you have to buy a whole new system.

[@spongy179]

Yeah but the PS5 will last more before you have to change it and you will end up paying more for the pc

[@andreww2925]

@spongy179 if you buy solid parts a PC will last a long time and I have nothing against consoles I still have an N64 but a PC build will look and play better than any console and the PC has the benefit of using software like steam to purchase at least x100 more games that will never come to console.

[@spongy179]

@@andreww2925 solid or not, those parts need to be changed, not bc theu break but bc they will get slow after time

[@andreww2925]

@spongy179 so being realistic if you bought a 4080 GPU and a 13900k cpu that will last a minimum of 6-7+ years before any performance drop is noticeable along with that you can then over clock and get a few more years. A console, especially one built today is using already old hardware.

[@somfplease]

@@andreww2925 PC will last a long time if you don't use it. unless all your doing is excel and youtube. consoles are designed just to run games 24/7. the engineering is superior at every level, including software. it's easy to build a better PC than a console. it just will never be superior. not anymore.

[@philtherock9579]

WIFI, bluetooth, noise, simplicity, worry-free updates, portability, plug-and-play-ability. All things that this PC doesn't have, PC's can't have or you have to spend much more to get... before you come at me, I own a very high-end PC and bought a PS5 after and it still makes me giggle how simple it is.

[@Tech.Closet]

It's more like a trend to build a PS5 killer. But I gotta say, for $500, you can build a pretty solid gaming PC right now, *without counting peripherals.

[@Unknown_Genius]

tbh I never understood what the fuzz was about. I always saw consoles as highly limited product. Sure, you'll see you occasional post that claims that "there's no point in having a PC if a console costs less" (mainly from console only players either way) - but exchanging capabilities of modding, better user experience, more games available and no subscription cost for just wanting to play online and talking on a slow peer 2 peer voice chat at basically no additional cost for the manufacturer isn't exactly something that sounds too great to me. If I ever would want a console again I'd just straight up let my PC start with Steam in Big Picture mode, hook it up to my TV and have a wireless keyboard & mouse for modding stuff and adding non-steam games to the steam library. Doesn't even matter if a PC costs 400 more.

[@hayden.A0]

​@@Unknown_GeniusConsoles are more about a seamless experience. Things are all plug-and-play and you never really have to deal with drivers and such, and not everyone has the time or is willing to invest in this process. That's of course without considering platform exclusives.

[@lordkaiser1404]

might as well buy a used ps5. that would be way way cheaper.

[@key099able]

Hell, local stores are selling disc consoles for 450€, it's even cheaper than this.

[@Yarumasi]

@@hayden.A0 Yep. The idea is more about the ecosystem/exclusivity. And of course the simplicity of it all.

[@henrytuttle]

The other factor is the cost of games. With Steam sales, you can put together a respectable library of older AAA games for half to a third of the price. That's not counting all the games you might have built up in the last 10-20 years that still work.

[@JohnA...]

If you want to get creative you can also play physical copies of games as well from older systems, Or go the less legal route through emulation. And don't forget the free games you can get often enough, I haven't paid Epic a cent but have over 300 games on my epic library with a new one (not always good) every week. As a personal example I have a game save of FFVII I've been playing since around 2001 that I've just never gotten around to beating. I started playing it on an old first gen Playstation, moved it to a PS2, got the card reader back then and move that to a PC that I played on (with horrible PS emulation, with the disk even at the time) up to around level 70 on the first disk because I'm a masochist, stopped playing for a few years and managed to port that save over to the PS3. I didn't play that save for probably 12 years or more, and last year decided to finally beat the game and got my 2001 FFVII game running perfectly on my PC using the PS3 card reader to move it over... I still haven't beaten the game but thats a fully different issue.

[@Dukes3677]

Not to mention (I know this towards the ps5) but with game pass for 150$ a year you can have over 20+ big name games.

[@crediblesalamander8056]

you can buy ps4 games for the same prices if you buy second hand physical copies (physical copies are also just cooler!) and PSN also does sales. steam sales are nice, but people vastly overestimate how much cheaper they are than console prices. imo free EGS games and pc game pass are much better value propositions compared to what you can get for a PS5.

[@hiho9149]

You guys pay for games?

[@real1mem3s]

The PSN ALWAYS has a sale up. Do you think PSN doesn't have sales? Dumb comment.

[@jobpineda2965]

for those who are wondering the actual cost of all the parts. $662 (2 months after video)

[@user-xv9tj3dl2o]

The most important part of any PC build is a dependable power supply! I built and repaired PC's for over 20 years (15 at a custom build company) and the biggest issue I experienced were supply issues.

[@brebmann]

It’s official. Bearded Linus has caught up to the main timeline.

[@YouTubetail]

Linus tech 😊

[@uzqu2201]

I can't accept this beardless Linus. Just looks wrong.

[@matthewyancer]

bring back beard

[@Glotttis]

Problem with such videos this 500$ PC turns into 1000€ in other countries, while PS5 remains 500€.

[@Hnkka]

I loved bearded Linus more. Facial hair fits him perfect

[@renatomendes3333]

Basically, the ps5 killer is not a ps5 killer.

[@usrevenge]

Ltt has done this for a long time now. Every time they make a "console killer" it's weaker or cost way more than a console or they cheat and go "oh well you had these 3 parts lying around still" my favorite is the constantly using free or discounted versions of windows. Iirc their ps4 "killers" assumes windows was $10. Lol.

[@sorbenslurps6495]

​@usrevenge I agree with all your points aside from the windows price. You can get Windows keys for extremely cheap. So long as you don't buy from Microsoft themselves lol. I have never spent more than $15 on a windows key for the builds I sell

[@I_love_marsh_mellos]

@@sorbenslurps6495some people used ChatGPT to create windows keys for free

[@Deicture]

​@@usrevengea windows key costs litteraly 10 cents lmao, 10 bucks is already too much

[@FeelsGreatBaby]

​@@usrevengewindows is cheap lol

[@Hareesah69]

Just realized the bag he showed us is half the price of the ps5💀

[@DaDarkHamster]

dude when you mentioned scrapyard wars, it activated a CORE MEMORY! i MISS that show

[@Rocksauze]

The biggest reason I would take a $500 PC over a console even if the PC parts are used is that a PC is more then a gaming box. There are so many more uses for a pc then a console. Even if you currently don't do anything but gaming the option with the pc is always there, which in my opinion adds huge value to a PC.

[@natebrooks774]

Right? Like how you can make those ps5 games on that PC :)

[@dwane42]

If someone wants to game for an hour after work and doesn’t need/ want a PC and they don’t want to deal with all the additional hassle of a PC, updates, drivers not playing nice with each other, can’t just pick up where you left off, possibly having to drape wires across a living room, etc. The convenience factor is a huge contributor to why consoles are a better fit for a lot of people.

[@milamber319]

​​@@dwane42 what decade are you living in? This isn't 2004 when loading up windows takes 5 min and PC's don't have wireless cards... What cables do you need that consoles don't?? And drivers are generally just managed by windows and if you HAVE to do updates for graphics it's like once every 3-6 months.... Meanwhile I turn my Xbox on and I can't do anything till it takes 5 min to update.

[@DubboU]

@@dwane42None of those problems exists on PCs anymore than it does on consoles. Not sure what kind of hassle a PC gives you when it boots up in 15 seconds and ready to go? Drivers issues basically don't exists anymore. Why wouldn't you be able to pick up where you left off, its the same game? Wireless peripherals has been more popular than wired ones for years now on PCs.

[@NameName-ll2yx]

Unless you like watching Netflix or something. PC sucks for that and console is the second best option to an Apple TV 😂

[@Neopumper666]

This video exemplifies perfectly why people would prefer consoles over PC you have to haggle through buying components, some components were assumed you already have, you have to deal with bios, software sentings, game settings, let alone the HUGE footprint all in order to try to match what you can just go to a store, pick up and play.

[@Ellunkana111]

Right. Not to mention we’re talking about used parts from ebay with shipping fees vs brand new ps5. I can find a ps5 right now for 300€-350€ from my local marketplace. No chance of building a pc that cheap coming even close to the power of ps5.

[@Psythik]

Right but the bargain hunting and researching/picking all the components is half the fun of owning a PC! I get that it's not for everyone, but for people like me there's a certain satisfaction you get from building it yourself that console gaming can never provide. With my current build I spent an entire week getting my fan curves *just* right, and I enjoyed every second of it, even moreso than actually gaming on the thing. With a console you just plug it in and go. *BORING!* It's like going to a mechanic instead of working on your own car. Where's the fun in that?

[@trippinhard250]

@@Psythik Most people just want to drive their car to get to places and boot up their console just to game. I am PC gang forever but the ease of booting up a console and getting into a game is undeniable. If I were on a low budget I'd pick console 10/10 times.

[@Psythik]

@@trippinhard250 And I get that 💯 but thankfully for those of use who want to do more than just drive and play games have the option to do so. It's a beautiful thing, isn't it?

[@mitsuhh]

@@Psythik No. There's nothing 'beautiful' about that.

[@RedSchmit]

Totally the same! Except cheating on costs, build know how, technical know how, the number of things that go wrong, constant updates for different parts, games not being tailored to maximize your specific build. Yeah, totally comparable. Exactly what i expect from hardcore PC users.

[@dragonballandhonkaiimpact1022]

LMAO 😂 true

[@Ayijuse]

They didn’t add the shipping cost to those part prices. The cpu alone showed 35$ shipping and yet they only paid 35$ (or whatever it was) for the cpu on the list. It’s impressive what they built for a budget, but they should be more genuine with the true cost. Apples to Apples, not Apples to Steak.

[@Dynamicdrifting]

BALD LINUS HAS FINALLY ARRIVED. MULTIVERSE BUSTED!

[@rusakko91]

Babyface Linus is back.

[@Shane76375]

Baby-faced Linus was in the AMD build.

[@morganlimes]

​@@Shane76375this is so weird. that video was the first video where shaved linus appeared and saw zero comments talking about it and now that its the 2nd one everyone is going crazy??

[@user-tf6hr5ez1u]

Two vids ago he uploaded a unbearded video as well but the one after that had bearded Linus again so not sure if he has caught up or that the other videos are getting ready to be uploaded 😅

[@GoongisKahn]

I’m not very active in this community, I just watch some of these videos every once in awhile. I keep seeing this meme, is the joke that he had prerecorded videos from before he had a beard and now they’re catching up to present day?

[@leftcoastfunk]

I love how they also conveniently forgot to mention perhaps the biggest flex for PC over console: it's also a whole ass PC. Better web browsing experience, endless applications, including tons of use cases for work, school, and home. The fact you can get basically-equivalent gaming PLUS an actual usable windows PC in the same package for roughly the same price is insane I'll always believe that consoles 100% have their place in the world and sometimes their convenience and ease of use just can't be beat - but having fully committed to the switch from console to PC gaming before the last-gen consoles I can honestly say I really haven't looked back once. My kids still use the console, but I literally can't remember the last time I turned it on

[@djnes2k7]

Yea and they also “forgot” to mention that a used ps5 would be 350, and why start with a $500 disk version. The pc has no blu ray drive

[@Thornskade]

@@djnes2k7 PC also doesn't need a drive ever, on console you need to buy used to get close to the discounts on PC

[@phazonlord0098]

They also forget to mention the biggest downside for PC: there's a lot of shitty ass ports that are probably never getting fixed, usually with non stop Shader Compilation Stutter and excessive VRAM requirements (especially PS5 ports weirdly enough lol). Also, Microsoft should wake the fuck up and make Windows an option on a Xbox console.

[@Herola279]

Why do so many people keep trying to bring this up? It’s literally irrelevant. Most people are using a basic laptop or desktop for most work and school things. Bringing this up is a very skewed case.

[@phazonlord0098]

@@Herola279 heck, most people are doing this things on their phones nowadays. I couldn't believe a dude my age didn't have any idea how to use a computer and did all his college works on his phone.

[@acronym476]

So he is comparing the price of a brand new PS5 with the price of used PC parts? If you buy a used PS5, it’s also going to be significantly cheaper.

[@cowboyhank456]

Dude I have aslmost that exact Seasonic power supply, it's a beast! The X-850 was rumored to be the same unit as the Corsair HX1050 as it could push around 1000W

[@Lucky8Bastard]

Would be nice to show a similar pc-build with brand new parts only, since a ps5 for ~$500-550 is brand new with warranty (like you mentioned). That way we could also get a comparison in terms of price. A friend of mine bought a used but 100% running ps5 digital for $320 a few month ago 🙂

[@justahyundai]

Guess you are gonna just imagine the game running, since you need to sped double that on a half decent TV to make the experience even halfway comparable to a similar spec PC... making your argument completely irrelevant.

[@viahduc]

Completly?

[@theduplicator3270]

Used workstation $400-500. GPU is the problem. Parts are always inflated. Anything mass produced like a gaming console is going to cost the company behind it a fraction compared to trying to buy off the shelf parts. Plus they don't make money off the consoles their business model is pay to play. It's obviously more expensive to PLAY on a console but it's cheaper upfront.

[@Lucky8Bastard]

@@justahyundai Or you could just play with PC OR Console on a normal screen... Try again...

[@chrisprilloisebola]

​@@justahyundaihuh? So what tv decent monitor will be used if you went the pc route? Literal nonsense argument

[@lordcorgi6481]

I've used parts off ebay for over 10 years now and I love it. I currently have a "last gen" PC (if you want to call a 3070 last gen) I'm using for around $600 all in. You can buy parts and sell the old ones to almost break even. I generally upgrade something about every 4-5 months. The only thing I never buy or sell are SSDs.

[@leonro]

no need for quotation marks, 3070 is about as last gen as it gets

[@superstarr310]

You rebuild and buy sell your pc every 5 months? Dawg that’s a job

[@ygsm1337]

​@@leonro I think "last gen" has corrupted your brain. The 3070 is more than capable unless you run 4K 500Hz all Ultra settings with RT/PT on. 😂😂 and true gamers know those are just buzzwords.

[@johnappleseed2635]

I'm confused, are you growing your SSD's on trees?

[@damzelfly]

Used monitors are really good used. They depreciate in value very quickly.

[@ryuman757]

5:07 Ayyy that's the PC case I went with when I built my first PC back in 2015! I absolutely love it, and still have it all. But I need to upgrade most of the internals at this point. But first, I gotta get a new laptop 😋

[@darkflux]

what you displayed here was EXACTLY why people opt to go with consoles: it just works. the scant few games that crash regularly either don't get bought, or get returned. you ALSO (likely) did not include the cost of Windows, which is $150 by itself...would have been nice to see a parts price list, too.

[@Dreyz-pg2zz]

Windows is 15 bucks lol

[@darkflux]

@@Dreyz-pg2zz sure, Windows is FREE when you obtain it illegally. so is the PC...

[@Dreyz-pg2zz]

@@darkflux lol buts it's literally 15 bucks legal

[@user-cx6nt3wb7j]

Have not seen him without his beard for a while now. This is strangely refreshing

[@kyles8524]

wow I didnt even notice til I read this comment. I think hes too young looking to have a beard. Unfortunately Im like him. Im almost 40 and I have been called "kid" by someone who was like 23.Ive been refereed to by a few jobs as the "kid" Ive gotten hit on by little kids and I have to tell them Im old enough to be your dad

[@glitchy_fnf]

Guys. He caught up to the videos. Edit: Just noticed I missed one. My bad. Thanks for letting me know guys

[@lukesono5687]

That was in previous previous video

[@Swampshrimp]

Again

[@rileyhenderson]

You just noticed, thats crazy

[@doniscoming]

He didn't have the beard in AMD upgrade video 😊

[@pepsibIue]

Oh no

[@cjjohnson_86]

So there comparing to the disc version? Which means they are $75 over the price of the digital version?

[@realjoshuaW]

well yea considering so many games on my ps5 are over 100gb i regret not getting the disc version

[@guujigaming]

Valid point. The digital edition is just as powerful and cheaper. It’s the one I’ve got. I haven’t regretted even a minute. The amount of gaming I’ve gotten from such a small price is 100% worth it

[@R-py6uf]

Now go buy a new AAA game for cheap on the digtial model.. you can't. That's why you always go disc version, you can buy an AAA game new and sell it for 50% of what you gave some time later, or just buy it used for 50% less, reducing the total loss by a significant amount. Imagine what you could have saved up, if you didn't have all these unsellable digital games.. I

[@KEEYBLADE]

​@@R-py6uf Agreed. Playstation Store prices are crazy. Even though they often have a sale, the games are still really expensive. Also if you own physical, you can still install the games way later when the services are offline, or when you have no Internet.

[@stephenhughes5156]

Plus they are comparing the PC comprised of all used parts to the price of a brand new PS5.

[@Gizfreek]

Always interesting to compare a desktop to a console. I'd add that most people already own a PC or laptop so spending your console budget to upgrade or buy a higher tier machine seems (at least for me) the better choice.

[@QuantumS1ngularity]

Seasonic are one of those companies you can trust with everything. Bought a 2nd hand 1000W Focus GX PSU which was used in a mining rig of all things and was purchased back in 2017. Worked absolutely flawlessly until 2 weeks ago when one of the PCIe slots on the unit was getting unstable and was shutting down the entire system. Still worked perfectly fine when i switched the cable to the next slot, but decided to play it safe. Contacted the original seller, who btw was in France, provided them with a copy of the original invoice which i got from the original buyer, they sent me a copy of the warranty with which i contacted Seasonic and had my unit shipped to a local distributer. Not even 3 days in i had a brand new 1000W PSU. Absolute mad lads.

[@lov3r672]

thats actually a lifehack lmao

[@M4jkelson]

@lov3r672 Nah, it's called a respectable company that makes good products.

[@lov3r672]

@@M4jkelson what does that have to do anything with me saying its a lifehack lmao

[@lov3r672]

@@M4jkelson it was a joke bro

[@kyles8524]

xfx is a good brand too, Seasonic makes xfx psu's. I have an xfx 850w pro psu. the only thing I dont like about it is its non modular. the psuhas so many connectors coming out of it to the point its annoying. I have to tuck it all into an empty drive bay.I know your thinking just stick them on the other side of the case.but thats how bad it is lol. I cant

[@0de242]

So here's a sanity check from Serbia CPU - no used options available currently, but there are New Ryzen 5600x CPUs from 130eur MOBO - 42-50eur for a B450 used SSD - 42-50 eur for the same SSD from the video Case - 10 euro or free depending on how hard you wanna look PSU - similar units from Corsair, Seasonic etc go for around 30 euro GPU - NO used ARC 770, new 16gb one is available for 320eur or 270eur for one of the mentioned alternatives Overall cost - 574eur with ARC or 524eur with GPU alternatives New PS5 slim - 495eur

[@holyshiet787]

Narucivanje delova od madjara preko kupujem prodajem

[@Auguzto.]

buy two games for the ps5: 600$

[@sonyx5332]

Buy console used from Japanese sellers. In much better condition than non Japanese sellers and looks new.

[@Ellunkana111]

@@Auguzto. Why do you assume console games are always bought full price? They are also on sale just like in steam.

[@Rom2Serge]

Can one say what is the HDR display that they are using there ? Thanks.

[@vonshtoyven3060]

With how fast SSD are you should disable "write caching" in the windows drive properties for your drives. It could fix random bugs and has noticeable input latency improvement for the entire system.

[@CdRullzzz]

Conclusion: Don't go for Intel Arc if you don't want to have 9442 crashes and compatibility issues in real life applications and games 😄

[@SinematicClips]

linus with no beard feels kinda nostalgic

[@malborboss]

I miss Linus with beard :(

[@OldManBadly]

I think he looks more honest and less self absorbed. Beard and gelled up comb over style is thankfully dying off, it was getting pretty stupid that everyone looked exactly the same. Linus looked older and more tired with the hair and the beard thing. He looks literally 10-15 years younger like this.

[@TotallyCreativeNameBtw]

@@OldManBadly Well, beard or not, he always looks *pretty* honest

[@IceWolf1102]

@@malborboss me too!

[@IceWolf1102]

@@OldManBadly wash your mouth out.. the beard made him look even more sexy.. just not the same now

[@shinkleihh]

tbh after switching in 2020-ish from a ps4 to pc, i think it would be pretty unfair if a pc costed around the same price as a console😭i've been able to do so much on my pc. a console is great for gaming but i just can't imagine going back to console anymore bc my pc introduced me to so many more things despite initially only buying one for gaming

[@sjneow]

But most people probably have a laptop, the utility of a laptop is so much greater than a desktop PC. So a console would be a good choice

[@AlexWellbelove]

@@sjneow Most people I know will have a laptop for work but I don't really know anyone with a personal laptop. It's all tablets or mobile phones now.

[@seniartkreatif]

i have all three...laptop since easier for me to do work, i do have pc gaming at home and a ps5.........i'm more to editing, and office work so having a laptop and a pc gaming at home really do helps me a lot.

[@megakoni1]

PS5 is 4 years old though. Not a fair comparison in price

[@shinkleihh]

@@sjneow even then, when buying a laptop nowadays, buying one with gaming capability is still pretty expensive; especially if you try to match performance to a desktop, as it'll end up being more expensive. plus both have their drawbacks: laptops have difficulty with cooling, are less customizable, and usually have a TDP limit; desktops are usually not portable and tend to be less efficient with power draw i actually have an rtx 4060 laptop, and it's really convenient as a student. i'm not trying to put down consoles-i even said they're great for gaming. low price, convenience, etc. it's just that as a device, individually, computers (including laptops as well) offer much more past gaming, and obviously at a higher price than consoles if you can get away with a regular cheaper laptop for work to combo with a console, then knock yourself out. the biggest flex with these things is usually spending less💯

[@LivingwithPerks]

"How to build a PC for $500" - got lucky and had a bunch of leftovers and cheap local marketplace parts.

[@triax7006]

Even if you added $300-400 that would easily be gobbled up by buying a PS5 as just buying a few games means spending hundreds over the multitude of PC games which are not a set price by the publishers due to things like keysites. Also I don't really have to mention torrents. In any case a PS5 is just stuck there waiting for a game or a BlueRay all of which need to be bought or borrowed. A PC can be used for so many other things & can even make games if required.

[@ThreaT650]

Honestly the used market hate is just nonsense. GPUs and other components don't hardly ever just fail. The used market is a very good option that has risk, but is not nearly as high as so many will have you believe. They overspent on this PC for it's performance. Like truly, truly overspent.

[@triax7006]

@@ThreaT650 Yeh I have bought a lot of 2nd hand PC components, RAM, motherboards, CPU's, GPU's SSD's (although probably not wort it now as they are cheap), power supplies. As ppl are upgrading so much they will want some money back on their old components to put towards their upgrades. The GPU#s are the one that ppl have to check on as they can be abused in gaming & now of course local AI such as Stable Diffusion. At least the mining era is over & the newer cards will less likely to have been used for that.

[@ThreaT650]

@triax7006 These budget friendly cards or even the mined ones are usually fine. Miners depend on longevity and usually set a custom fan curve and undervolt. It's these like massive 4090s I am meh about because of sag and stuff. We hear about some of these components breaking but not the millions we leave in our closet for half a decade after we upgrade. It's really hard to miss especially with stuff like ebay's buyer guarantees. Same with CPUs. If it passes a stress test and the pins are there, fine. I've bent back plenty of pins, never an issue. Never had a GPU fail or a CPU fail in my life and been building for everyone for 20 years or so. I've seen fans fail, powerplugs fail, and stuff like that on older cards, but this like reballing the core stuff and memory chip failures seem more like a 4090 or 3090 Ti problem than a mid range used card. Either memory chips not being cooled on the other side of the PCB, or sag causing the PCB to twist or worse, crack, or whatever.

[@triax7006]

@@ThreaT650 Yeh they simply are not used for years for them to wear out beyond what they are engineered for & all components will have enough quality to pass the QC standards. I had a motherboard fail & pretty much that was dead & could not be fixed. People are not really going to be selling dead components & any may have some fixable fault like a fan or just needing new thermal paste.

[@christopherjoy5226]

But you also have all the benefits of a PC like e-mail, work, and you can run locally hosted AI like Stable Diffusion and GPT4All. More bang for the buck! Not to mention expanding the game catalog.

[@moaa042]

I do like the treating of the ARC GPUs as the cost-competitive option they are instead of ignoring them like most tech youtubers. Though I'm not a big fan of the "find a local deal on a case" concept; lots of people live in a region with terrible local markets for second-hand electronics and it makes the build less replicable.

[@fubkegt4964]

What would be the best gpu for 500€ build

[@jonathandrouin8717]

@@fubkegt4964 get a 3800

[@Broodjemetbeleg]

@@fubkegt4964I would honestly save up a little more for a used AMD RX6700XT way more futureproof.

[@Mogawty]

Interesting video. There are definitely flaws though. 1, current used prices of the ps5 is not 500. 2, some value time. The time needed to hunt every part and then build it is, I would imagine, not insignificant. 3, risk. so many different used parts from different sellers. decent chance something is faulty, glitchy, or even broken (yes, yes, returns, still annoying) 4, as pointed out before doom, pcs sometimes need tweaking and have issues, compatibility problems, other errors (like before RnC). You do briefly mention these things at the end, but I think it’s important to note those can be bigger issues for some people, myself included. I’ve built many PCs, with a $3,000 overkill pogger wogger gaming PC sitting in my office. I STILL have stupid ass windows errors and things that just randomly break in the OS, and I’m just tired of troubleshooting. I have to imagine it’s even worse on… that. I’m so damn happy to just sit on my couch, pick up a controller from my charging dock, and shit just works. Obviously, console gaming, over a long period can be more expensive than even a higher end PC with the online services being almost mandatory, but also you get a massive amount of free games with PS Plus at least, and good ones too (imo). anyway, I spent way too long on a comment I feel like I’ll just get shit on for. I just see and appreciate the console for what it is. A user friendly, convenient, mostly error-free gaming machine. No more or less. PCs can do a lot, so I use mine for work, and my PS5 for gaming.

[@real1mem3s]

Lol Mihoyo guy comment

[@gandalfurisotherworldly7909]

Ex console user here: I left xbox because I had to factory reset my box everytime I had to use it. Granted you seem to fancy playstation more but the point is everyones milage varies Ive been on PC since 2020 never gotten any windows error messages can sit back on my couch and use my controller or use my KBM on literally any game I want point of this comment is for many PC is easily a great console replacement that "just works"

[@MrTheJeoff]

Like others have said, your opinion here, while valid, is also subjective. I was a HUGE console gamer up to and including the Xbox 360, but I honestly switched due to something like they weren't going to allow backward compatibility or something and then later rolled back on that decision. I don't remember if that is accurate, I just remember thinking that I don't have this hassle when I want to play my pc games and didn't bother picking up another console. Most of my friends followed suit, which did make the whole thing easier as well. Some counterpoints to consider: - Computers will last through multiple console generations (assuming you aren't someone who NEEDS the ultra top of the line gigachad graphics at all times) - Once you have a good computer it isn't nearly as expensive to upgrade certain parts in the future - The peripherals work perfectly from one upgrade to the next (consoles are starting to get better with this) - The Vast majority of the time pc gamers have the same gaming experience. Outside of launch day issues, I rarely, if ever am troubleshooting issues with a game. This is also the same experience with all of my friends. This was definitely an argument that used to be relevant, but we are in a significantly better place than we were even 10-15 years ago. A few other thoughts, for me personally, it is much much more expensive to get setup on a console than just forking out even $1000 upgrading my computer. After I factor in the console, the $100 controllers x 3 and the online subscription fee, I am already almost there and I don't even have any games to play. Buy a half-dozen games and I'm well above that $1000 mark and still don't have access to the hundreds upon hundreds of games I have access to on my pc. And none of that factors in all of the other things I can and do use my pc for. Please don't also misconstrue any of this as bashing consoles, that is definitely not my intention. Some of my best gaming memories were crowded around the couch playing Halo with my friends. I just want to show how for some people, especially those of us who only have the budget for one or the other, it's not as clear cut as many say.

[@N7Bluerose]

@@MrTheJeoffXbox Series can play games dating back to the original Xbox. PS5 can play games as far back as PS3. Xbox you can use most discs you have from previous gen, while on PS you have to download them or buy them again for 10% of the original price in majority of cases.

[@bartbasil3704]

​@@N7Bluerose10%? So if I go grab FF7 for PS5, it will only cost me $5? Or $16? FFVIII? $20 IX? $21 Origins? $22. Chronicles? $18 for the first half of it. Mega Man 1-6? $15 Mega Man X4-X6? $15 (This is the only one in my quick search hitting your 10% price point, when you split their individual game cost in the collection they sold in) Crash Bandicoot 1-3? $13.33 each. Same for Spyro. Syphon Filter? $10. You are guilty of fudging numbers to make your point.

[@linkinparkfanat]

I really like you linus! Been watching since you just started and now everytime i come across your vids, your face makes me feel nostalgic. Much love ❤

[@17Deninho94]

A PC out of used parts should be compared to a used PS5. And the Ps5 also features a 4K Blu-Ray disc drive. Now thats impossible to get for a PC without killing the budget.

[@triax7006]

So how much would it cost to get the PS5 to run programs, other OS systems & use the hardware & power of the PS5 to run them? I mean you could buy a cheap smartphone to do some or a cheap laptop. There is no way to get the PS5 to do anything other than game using Playstation games or play other media. It's a restricted eco system piece of tech.

[@kyledunton1351]

B450-DS3H was a nightmare getting the BIOS updated to supported Ryzen 5. I had to buy a Ryzen 2 just to boot it and update the BIOS. What a pain in 2024. Customer support not my own build.

[@Isaac-bu8hu]

Yeah, they really should have mentioned this to keep people from having the same problem

[@Koldatt]

tru

[@georgwarhead2801]

@@Isaac-bu8hu rewatch the video and listen to what he says...

[@georgwarhead2801]

well thats true for most of this old used mainboards...but AMD actualy ships you a cpu if you run into such problems, you need to deposit some money but you get it back when you ship the cpu back to them

[@Squilliam-Fancyson]

Honestly it' s a rl wonder that that hardware is even still relevant today. Would go with b550 at least though, so you could at least use the cpus pci 4 lanes.

[@Definitelynotacelebrity]

I got a series x at a pawn shop a few years ago for $300US. It fits on my small desk, and has very few software issues. I can even use a mouse and keyboard if I want to. Downsides… Games are more expensive, but I don’t play a huge variety. It only plays games, but I have an old laptop for all my non gaming needs. It is not great if mods are needed, there is only one game where that’s a problem for me, so I just need to get good I guess 😂. Whenever I price out a new pc I always end up somewhere in the $1200 ballpark for what I’d consider a longish term rig for myself. I just can’t justify throwing that much at a new pc when, like Linus said, this generation has held its value for money surprisingly well and for the most part, the console kinda just works fine for my (admittedly casual) needs.

[@Evilfonics]

I always stay a gen or two behind im only half way through am4 😂 I have 2 more CPUs to go why you always buy the best mobo I started with a used 1600 since it was $4 more than 1400 used in my area but I usually have to drive to a big city 3 of them 1hr away each but I work in one just bought a broken cyber power one for $50 originally wanted $100 I said it’s impossible to know what’s wrong with it so I’ll pay you for the case it was the psu and mobo I got a free i7 and rx 590 2x4gbs of ddr4 3200 a 2tb 7200 rpm hdd intel optane

[@Definitelynotacelebrity]

@@Evilfonics Very nice! I used to do that kind of stuff, but man do I value simplicity way higher than I used to. When I have an hour every few days to play a game, I got so tired of troubleshooting. My brother-in-law is a scrappy deal hunter like you, maybe I just need to get him to build my system 😂

[@m1_zt360]

Does windows support just plugging in an xbox 360 controller like Linus has? Or do you need to configure with another app for it to work

[@triax7006]

Pretty much plug & play as Windows installs the drivers. Steam also has options to get any input device (wheels, flight sticks etc) to be configured. There is also the manufacturers websites to get drivers and/or software that goes with the input device

[@wunderpuma4453]

Most console ports (on steam specially) will immediately work the moment you plugin controller, even a game like days gone that is only on PlayStation (and PC) both accepts xbox controllers but also adjusts the UI to match xbox buttons.

[@simracingchannel7691]

Yes bro even PS controller will work

[@orion4329]

Power of pc compels you followed by the cool guy hands in pockets killed me ahhhh

[@Waajon]

You also can’t assume they have peripherals. The PS5 comes with a controller, so you need to factor at least a mouse and keyboard. Monitor/TV is fine, but the tools to use the product should be there.

[@southsidetherealest2860]

also factor in paid online and $70 games vs $60 also factor in on PC you pick the framerate on console the dev is your master

[@REXae86]

@@southsidetherealest2860nobody pays fir online anymore really. Most f2p games are free online, and single player games obviously don’t need it. But pc you forgot to mention you need a monitor, keyboard and mouse headphones

[@thepierre396]

@@southsidetherealest2860 Congrats, you can choose to play with unstable framerate on your PC. Also there are plenty of sales the first days a game comes out on console if you get the physical version, and then you can get them second hand which you can't on PC. Finally, how convenient of them to "test" TLOU1 showing only the first part of the intro. No way does their computer run the game at 1440p60 like the console does, and it probably can't run 4k40 (because yes, the ps5 can do 40fps if you have a 120hz screen) either

[@southsidetherealest2860]

@@thepierre396 tlou1 wasnt done by nixes so he gives af meanwhile PS5 struggling to run 1080p at a stable 60fps on Helldivers 2 and Final Fantasy Rebirth, if that was a PC problem that would be called BROKEN

[@Poison2859]

@@thepierre396the mouse + keyboard of the average pc user isn’t more than 30$

[@3DSte1985]

It can be done, this would only impress me if it had zero issues and was all new parts easy to get hold of. Since it's neither of those, its neat but thats it.

[@tonywhite7753]

Ive always factored in the added versatility of a pc when comparing vs a console. For me being able to use a pc for more then gaming has inherent value that say id need a laptop for alongside a console. Usually that 3/400 extra will take pc to a different level over console.

[@1moblin2]

can't beat amazing Japanese technology, innovation & creativity.

[@purovomito]

Didn't the ps5 price drop to 400 dolars? Also, Linus, you should consider shipping, and buying second hand stuff isn't exactly fair, i can also buy a second hand ps5 for 300 bucks on a very good (almost perfect) state, that also comes with used games.

[@_frost_667]

PS5 is 650$ in my country 😭 same with pc parts

[@purovomito]

@@_frost_667 wtf

[@sjneow]

And when you have to go for used parts. Then compare it to the price of a used PS5

[@purovomito]

@@sjneow used ps5's are costing around 300 bucks 💀

[@repolhor0x0]

@@purovomito pq ta chocado? aqui no Brasil ta uns 650/700 doláres tbm kkkkkkkkkkkk

[@petermuller2583]

bros making a video about a budget pc while advertising a backpack that costs half of the computer

[@TheJunky228]

$250 for a backpack sounds insane. I guess I did spend nearly that much on a nice motorcycle backpack with back, chest, shoulder protection, waterproofing, lots of specific pockets and straps, and more. $250 for a backpack with just a big pocket still sounds absurd though

[@Emoney4209]

Exact build I have ryzen 5 5600 & rx 6600 with an asrock pg velocity b550 & 32gb of ram at 3200mhz. Runs alnost everything at 144fps + 🎉

[@greggarland7827]

I'm actually using the sister case, storm stryker, still. Just upgraded gpu/cpu(amd) and still going strong with the case. It is an old case though, it's what I built my first computer in.

[@wizardofki]

Idk if building used PCs is becoming really popular right now because I used to consider $50 total for a used motherboard to be a little bit dear, but now you can't even find an A520 or B450 AM4 motherboard on eBay for less than $60 - $70 including shipping. That's not to mention if you buy a previous generation AM4 board that you might need to flash the BIOS to install 3000 and 5000 series Ryzen (if they are compatible). The same with cases in that you can't seem to get a used one for less than $50 and a new one will probably cost you $70 and up. So, even with the best prices listed I've come across, you will already be $140 into your '$500" hypothetical budget leaving $360 for everything else. $60 for a PSU, $70 for a Ryzen 5 3600X, and about $230 for a used RX 6700 and you'll be lucky to have something close to the PS5 performance. Oh, and I didn't even factor in storage, so hopefully you have a spare hard drive and RAM to put in it.

[@dev1anceONE]

If u get Ryzen 5 3600(more cache than CPU in PS5(Selled as Ryzen 7 4700S) and also higher clocked, so in the end that CPUs have similar performance in games) and RX 6700(U can even try with RX 6650 XT) u will have very similar performance to PS5

[@jonathandrouin8717]

@@dev1anceONE will end up costing more hten a ps5 though

[@dev1anceONE]

​@@jonathandrouin8717 Half year ago(Around September 2023) u can easily build PC with that spec for 500$ with new parts, today u probably will need to search some deals, if u don't want to buy used parts - but its still depends on yours country(in Poland where i live half year ago i builded setup for a friend with that parts i listed, but without PSU and SSDs for 2000 PLN which was around 450 USD all parts i bought was new and PS5 price was around 3000 PLN which means around 689 USD at that time) and u actually get something more than "thing" to play games, but if u need thing only to play singleplayer games for less money, then consoles will be less expensive choice at start

[@Evilfonics]

You can still get xfx rx580 8gbs for $139 still play’s everything in 1080 and a lot in 1440 and even quit a bit in 4k I even sold a $500 pc with a msi armor OC 4gb one they still go crazy I sell all my $500 PCs with a 580 and a 1tb m.2 but I also use fb marketplace everyday only stuff I always buy new is the case the mobo and m.2 all depends on the CPUs I can find got a ryzen 1600 for $10 got a 2600 for $23 fun side hustle as well you should try it might have to sit on things for a bit

[@nohero178]

Have you noticed how literally everything is more expensive right now, not just PC parts?

[@jagdtigger]

"enable rebar support" Unless the office PC you bought have that setting hidden and disabled.......

[@alexdrum94]

Recap They compare a PC build that features -used parts -no way to interact with the device (no keyboard and mouse) -no warranty -no disc drive Vs -a PS5 that has a disc drive -a manufacturer warranty -and one of the best controllers ever made Fair comparison would be at MINIMUM a PS5 with no disc drive. Realistically a USED PS5 with no disc drive. This feels more like “I’m right and I’m going to craft a broken ruleset to win a rigged challenge” instead of going in with good faith to actually help customers.

[@Tes_1]

Great video, it's such a good debate. If you play casually, I don't think you can beat Console value for money and not having to mess around with settings/ compatibility, you just switch it on and play.

[@theinktician]

Lol i was on eBay yesterday AND today and found zero $40, let alone $50 b450 mobos. I filter like crazy and do builds myself, so I'm thinking this was filmed in early January. The post-Christmas market is always amazing

[@YOEL_44]

I love that you did the bit with the PC terribly configured, many new people to PCs, think that consoles are way faster, even with the same hardware, but they're running their computers like it's an iPhone, without even looking at any setting at all. Also, you can get a new Turtle Beach Recon controller for $25, which is a darn great feeling controller with 2 extra remapable buttons and an integrated DAC and audio profiles, that would perfectly round it up to 500.

[@Thornskade]

I didn't have to configure my PCs ever, I think this is a side effect of using an Intel Arc GPU because motherboard manufacturers are not yet taking them into consideration

[@YOEL_44]

@@Thornskade Go into your BIOS and check everything, your AMD or nVidia GPU will also thank you the access to modern features, even if they can still run brute forcing their performance

[@Thornskade]

@@YOEL_44 What features

[@jesusbarrera6916]

that controller isn't even wireless... you guys are insanely clueless about real life sometimes

[@YOEL_44]

@@jesusbarrera6916 OMG, I cannot play tha game if I'm not doing it from the room next door!!!! Yeah, is wired, which I can only see as a possitive, you don't have latency, you don't have interference, you don't need to sync it, you don't need to charge it, you just plug it into any USB-C cable and play.

[@chaz-e]

Good that you brought Intel GPU in the mix, we need more Arc benchmarks!

[@MrTrainman96]

"It's time to kill restaurants because you can just cook all your food at home!"

[@xXFilipXx-1992]

Bruh, I just checked that grafic card, and it almost costs the same as ps5,xbox in my country....yea if i buy used i still cost more then(without monitor)xbox/ps5 in my country

[@randeepyasintha140]

Do you remember that video where they talked about completely restructuring the company to assign more time to test and double check everything before a video release? This is the output they managed to produce after all that. More lies and clickbait. It's Linus Click-baits now.

[@v3prhunterkiller828]

let me guess, turkey?

[@xXFilipXx-1992]

Close but no

[@dev1anceONE]

@@xXFilipXx-1992 Intel Arc A770 is not great GPU to buy, better check RX 6700 without XT(10GB version)

[@nithinjosephvarghese9657]

India most prolly

[@alexnder8401]

You guys always forgetting that PS gives this old days TV experience, when you have a black box connected to your TV, so you just sit on the couch, grab a controller and play and not waisting your time to maintain your PC, install drivers, throubleshoot things

[@najeebshah.]

You a noob

[@Jayy_Capo]

I think anyone who builds, or even buys a prebuilt for that matter, does so under the presumption that at some point they're going maintenance a PC, either it be software, or physically replacing something. Its not time wasted for enthusiasts who want a genuine PC experience. However you do have a solid point, consoles don't need nearly if at all any 'maintaining' aside from the usual can of air and updates.

[@Jobocan.]

You can just sit in your couch, grab a controller, and game on your TV, with a PC.

[@VT19112]

You do know you can do literally anything on your PC as well as game on it. Right? Please tell me you understand that..

[@SignifiedSix]

bro, my pc updates by its self just like your console. Don't know what you're going on about xD

[@DustinRudzinski]

This leaves out important aspects of the comparison... 1. You can get a PS5 for $400 without the disc drive, which your PC build also lacks. 2. Adding a 4K Blu-Ray drive to the PC drives the price up over $600. 3. There's a PS5 Pro launching in November that is rumored to be at the same price range, but near double the performance (at least in TFLOPs). 4. No 3D audio processing in the PC games either. 5. As you mentioned, no controller, and the controller lacks haptic feedback and a speaker/mic built in.

[@yoakimlarsson26]

I agree with everything you said. Been my self both console and PC gamer for a long long time. I think for most of my friends and for alot of people. That PRIZE is the main hurdle. And also think that is not lifted enough in... all streams on this topic. Yea I know you can build budget PC but it aint the same as a console. Its pretty easy to say for a guy that build a career on building computers and been around top end tech last 15 years! But this is not a reality for most families... So really glad you put a point on this... I really think most should try PC some time in there life to see the different for them self. But I also understand not everybody is that lucky to have the money to do this. Or knowledge!! PC gaming is not cheap and for anyone with low funds its a hell of a lot to invest in. So great Video and always a pleasure to listen to you.

[@AuraMaster_7]

I would say to compare prices between PC and PS5 you should include the price of a year of PSN. The fact that console users have to pay a non-insubstantial yearly fee for online service cannot be overstated.

[@gandalfurisotherworldly7909]

its such a drag and one thing that I 100pct DONT miss about consoles

[@DaftknightLP]

@@gandalfurisotherworldly7909atleast with xbox they give you a bunch of games now but i agree

[@GatMarksTheSpot]

you dont need to play online

[@llamaduden3397]

@@GatMarksTheSpot True, you also don't have to have fun, but it's damn nice, plus a lot of games will need you to have online acces

[@alfred9805]

Good point, this should compensate for the controller

[@Rorzzaa]

So to hit the budget you used a huge old (broken) PC case which cost "next to nothing", second hand parts off marketplace, didn't include cost of mouse/keyboard or OS and had to fix a bunch of issues just to get games running right. Huh? I find it hard to believe that anybody would choose this Frankenstein pc over the PS5 for the same money (for gaming).

[@michaelsitka4751]

In terms of video gaming right now yeah, the PS5 is arguably better. But consider that it only has one use: gaming. It can't be used for any of the other things you use a PC for. additionally, a PC can be upgraded and can run games and software from any year. It is far less constrained than a console and when the time comes for the next generation of games you don't need to buy a whole new product.

[@xxxquariangaming6579]

Not to mention having to find THE exact prices and stuff second hand to match it PS5 is such a better deal for 500. If you gonna PC game go all out or just buy a console XD

[@2011Fascinating]

@@michaelsitka4751idk who told you consoles can be used only for games but they're wrong lmao. At the 500 price point he's comparing a PS5 with a blue ray player which this PC doesn't have so it's even more of a media machine than any PC is at this price point. Not to mention they still have full browsers on then. They're a lot closer to a PC than you think.

[@michaelsitka4751]

@@2011Fascinating When was the last time you actually did any work on a console? can you run Office on a console? how about photo or video editing? Sorting and downloading pictures and data from other devices, writing code, 3D modelling, printing, PDF etc. A console is not an alternative to a PC.

[@2011Fascinating]

@@michaelsitka4751 homie you know God damn well everything you just listed is niche activities lmao. The average person with a personal PC is not doing any of that. Try again lmao

[@CeeWorld69]

The total price quoted is not really realistic. Linus received the case free of charge due to signs of use. Additional costs would have to be planned for this. The shipping costs for the individual components are also not included in the $475 - nor are the costs for the operating system and peripherals. If you want to rebuild the PC, you have to plan for significantly higher costs. Buying new hardware would cost over $1,000. Not an option for most gamers The advantage of games consoles is that they are ready to use straight out of the box. Assembling a PC requires not only technical understanding, but also time, which not everyone wants to spend. As it turned out, the do-it-yourself PC was actually able to achieve a higher frame rate in some games. However, other games only ran after BIOS adjustments. It is therefore unlikely that many gamers will follow the KZbinr's example and build their own PC from used hardware instead of buying a PS5.

[@CodyBilbro]

Technically speaking, with no Blu-ray drive you are competing with the $400 model

[@bonkwonkelchip7569]

technically speaking they could of built a 8-900 dollar pc and it'd still be on point.

[@Safurn]

If you couldn’t get a PS5 for around $400 or an Xbox series X for around $400, then this would be an easy win

[@kandyknight5221]

I would argue its still an easy win because a PC is a PC, and can do PC things. You can use a PC for gaming/work/school/creative stuff. A console can only be really used for entertainment. I would rather have a 200 dollar PC over a console any day of the week, but that's just me.

[@user-lz5vh9bb5w]

It's still a win for the PC regardless.

[@shivamarya5225]

@@kandyknight5221 true but it also means you can't have the pc in your living room connected to the tv if you plan to work but it might work fine if you're single

[@vampui5490]

many people already have another work laptop or work pc with integrated graphics , so wrt only gaming console might be better @@kandyknight5221

[@Licensedbeast]

@@kandyknight5221laptop and console

[@ANDERSONMIZ]

What about using an SSD along with a hard drive with about 5 TB? Isn't that an easy upgrade you could make as well? I heard about some way you can use the SSD as your cache (or something like that) while using the hard drive for more long term storage. I might have got my terms wrong but wouldn't that be a good small upgrade?

[@trallakid]

Honetly harddrives are getting pretty obselete considering how cheap ssds are these days. You could store files on the harddrive and older games sure, but a lot of more modern games are requiring an SSD to work properly otherwise you'll have insane load times and things may break, and this is getting more and more common so a harddrive isn't very future proof.

[@joshw.2739]

for the record I bought a configurable prebuilt with almost the exact specs (slightly worse) because I needed a new computer at the height of the GPU shortage and it was $2000 at the time. Stuff has gotten crazy cheaper, and the used market is the way to go.

[@GerriL9956]

I built a computer for my birthday. I got for the case Antec NX200 M, Micro-ATX Tower, Motherboard MSI A520M-A PRO Gaming Motherboard, CPU AMD Ryzen 5 4500 CPU, AGV Series 500W Power Supply, 80 Plus Bronze Certified, and TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z DDR4 16GB Kit. I used my M.2 from my other computer. I did not know that the CPU does not support integrated graphics so I got GIGABYTE GV-N1030D4-2GL GeForce GT 1030. It took me about 2 hours to build but it works like a champ.

[@cptwhite]

There are bargains to be had if you can be quick on the used market in the UK. I built this spec: Ryzen 3600 MSI B450 Tomahawk Max 16Gb DDR4 3200 C16 1Tb Samsung NVME (OEM model, 3000Mbps) Thermaltake S200 Snow EVGA G3 550W 80+ Gold RTX 3070 8Gb (MSI Ventus x2) Bequiet CPU cooler (unknown model, but with 92mm fan) I sold it for £450....and I made £50 profit on that.

[@notacloutchaser7407]

Thats not worthwhile..

[@jonathandrouin8717]

the work you put it is worth more then the 50$ "profit"

[@ProGamer1115]

Damn where did you get a 3070 for less than 300 quid?

[@FireWizardGg]

@@jonathandrouin8717 the thing is, hes a random person with zero qualifications as far as the buyer is concerned. So 50 pound not 50$ is actually a good amount of profit. Also zero warranty as well bc its not from an official place that makes prebuilt pcs.

[@Adamthegeek70]

also can't find that promised link in the description "down below" to the other videos you did.

[@user-ps9yl3lg2u]

hey really loved your videos, I would like to work with you as a video editor let me know what's your thoughts on this!

[@mattypisme]

The only thing that needs an upgrade is you taking out those 90s earings. 😂😂😂😂

[@Ascindaz]

In this scenario the benefit of the PS5 still outweighs the PC (only in this specific scenario) imo, the PS5 you get a warranty + brand new parts, this PC is 2nd hand with no warranty and requires much more manual setup as opposed to working out the box + as you said, the controller included in the price of the PS5 also, and if you were going to go down the 2nd hand route, PS5 consoles have dropped to around £400 in the UK at least compared to the £500 new.

[@jarrickhillery8664]

I’d argue that the PC is better. Sure there’s no warranty, but you don’t really want a warranty on a custom PC anyways. The biggest upside of PC is its modularity. A PC like this isn’t the finish line; it’s a starting point that you can iterate upon for the foreseeable future. Only change I’d make is I’d get the B650 motherboard, as they’re a bit more involved to upgrade than other components.

[@jonathandrouin8717]

@@jarrickhillery8664 yes you do want a warranty on your parts if possible lol A B650 would push the price far beyond the 500$ mark which is counterintuitive. Also if you,re looking to upgrade in the future you defeat hte puprose of this video.

[@mikeyplayz8438]

Yeah cuz ur biased lmao@@jarrickhillery8664

[@fillsbury8304]

@@jarrickhillery8664Ever had a component fail on your PC? Yeah, warranty is pretty nice.

[@MrArjanOskam]

Bro ignored the shipping on every item. Which were atleast 40 dollars on every single part.

[@pcgameboy8407]

Shipping on consoles to when buyign online. You can get parts for PCs at stores too if ya really wanted.

[@miguelangelvacaheredia8230]

ARC A770....and then I moved to another video in youtube...great trial dear Linus!! your videos are always top notch

[@misterbrickest]

The ONLY major fail you guys had: Using a CONTROLLER to play Doom Eternal on a PC. Bro... you've gone soft on us.

[@ricardolm6161]

Not plugging a 250 quid backpack during a budget build hahaha, half the budget already on the bag damn

[@stephenhughes5156]

But how else are you going to carry around your PS5 like we all need to do regularly...don't we? 😂

[@PurePigment]

Like this comment if you want linus to grow his beard back!

[@traxevc2002]

What about used PS5s though? Used parts prices are compared with brand new PS5 value?

[@steveweidig5373]

Consoles kept their value proposition not because how great the consoles are (which they are either way!), but because the PC hardware prices went through the roof in the meantime. A PC in the same performance class 5 years ago with brand new hardware would have been at roughly $400. CPU: Ryzen 5 1600AF: ~$90 GPU: Radeon RX 580 8GB: ~$150 at the time MOBO: $60 16GB RAM: $80 PSU: $60 Case: $40 (not included in the video) I also think Linus made this video just a bit too early. Prices are starting to go down almost across the board, so in just a couple months time it could have been that he'd been able to do this at a better price point (as in, case and/or controller included for the $500) or with somewhat better hardware.

[@mactv7342]

did you get the 3600 mhz on your gskill trident z.. i have the same ram my specs Ryzen 5 5600 Asrock B550m Pro4 Gskills TridentZ 2x8gb 3600 MT/s but when i enambe xmp/expo i can only get upto 3266 Mhz. whats ur memory configuration sir linus?

[@CanadianBenchmarks]

Make sure that your ram is installed in the 2nd and 4th slots (1 being the closest to the CPU, 4 being the furthest) If it's unstable then, you can maybe RMA the ram/motherboard If you can't/don't want to bother, increase the voltage on the ram (up to 1.4v is very safe, up to 1.45 is generally recognized as a safe limit)

[@cessnacitation-x]

@@CanadianBenchmarks this also depends on the motherboard itself, some motherboards require DIMM 0 and DIMM 2 to be used rather than DIMM 1 and 3. it depends from mobo to mobo, manual usually shows the correct placement

[@mygamertag2010X]

Biggest overlooked point in this video and comments: PC failed to run all of the games compared. Ratchet and Clank literally wouldn't run. This matters to some people. If you buy a console, all of the games are GOING to work.

[@RFLCPTR]

Only the games that are allowed to work on it. Try playing GTA IV on a PS5.

[@dweeep03]

They did acknowledge incompatibility and did say that the ps5 is still a good deal for another year, watch the whole video

[@gurratell7326]

If they'd went for an Nvidia or AMD card instead that would probably not have been an issue, and perhaps they'd also get better performance that way as well.

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

Lol that was an Intel Arc issue not pc issue. And there's always a fix or workaround

[@Vyruis]

Well they are using 1 of 3 different brand GPUs… had they went with AMD or Nvidia every game would have ran with no issues, and probably performed even better than Intel.

[@walley2637]

i built a similar pc last year for around $600CAD. I had a case and a PSU to start with and bought a B550m board with one 16gb ram chip and R5 5500 cpu with an RX 560 gpu and a 256gb nvme drive. but.. after I bought some VR goggles and found my basic system didn't cut it.. i bought another nvme drive, another 16gb ram and an RTX 4060ti 16gb gpu. my final upgrade will be to a R7 5800x3d cpu and then my final total cost will end up around the $2k mark lol. if i were building the same MID RANGE gaming pc today on an AM5 socket and ddr5 ram i would be looking at a final cost of closer to $3k.

[@akaimizu1]

Here's my dilemma for the past 20 years. Every single time someone comes up with a cheap, when you get all the parts together, machine that is supposed to cost cheaper than the console it beats in spec; when I go and try to find these parts, I could never ever find a way to build that machine for anywhere close to the price they state. Never has happened, ever for me.