It's Time to Question Bill Belichick's Legacy

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[@Tadicuslegion78]

"When did you lose faith in Belichick?" "When he decided Matt Patricia was going to run Offense."

[@demonkingbadger6689]

He has lost the concept of offense in general. Or just lost interest in building an offense, i dont know which.

[@arcadius853]

I think he's just trolling around at this point because of this. Surely he knows Matt Patricia isn't an offensive guy

[@nick94nw]

@@arcadius853honestly I thought since McDaniels did bill would try it again with Patricia

[@kramermccabe8601]

They were tanking last year. Belichick and Saban don't poach coaches off each other. I'm sure there was some type of agreement between Bill and O'Brien. Belichick wasn't going to bring in someone for a year

[@aarondelisle7693]

When he benched Malcom Butler the night before the super bowl, when he lined Ellis Hobbs 1v1 against Plaxico Buress in the red zone, when he gave no help to an average o-line against Michael Strahan and Justin Tuck in a superbowl..what did I miss?

[@whosaidthat84]

One thing that needs to be said is that Brady is a phenomenal teammate and locker room presence. When he left the Pats, other players followed suit. Its like they knew things wouldn't be the same without Tom. He was like perfect liason between Bill and the players. I say this as a Brady hater.

[@kanyewests6676]

Facts culture matters

[@stolencbscontent3233]

he made up for bellichek being an idiot

[@chipsdad5861]

I don't know how you can hate Brady. The guy has been questioned his entire career and is by far the greatest quarterback to play the game. I am a Brady fan not a Pats fan and certainly not a Belichick fan. Brady barely made it into the league thanks to Belichick but man he made the most of that opportunity.

[@whosaidthat84]

@@chipsdad5861 just because I'm Brady hater doesn't mean I don't respect the guy. I wanted to see him lose and celebrated every time he did. But he kept on winning. I recognize his greatness.

[@razzypatiencedoyledoyle7141]

Bellichek is a major fruad#!! Fake news #!! Major nerd #!! Brady made him and Brady broke him#!!☝️😆🤣#!!☝️

[@normadamous]

This is the reason I feel Gibbs is arguably the best coach since the 70s. He won 3 championships with 3 different QBs . I like Belichick, Walsh, Chuck Noll, etc., but Gibbs was able to make the most of the talent he had. Theismann, Williams and Rypian are not Brady, Montana, Mahomes, or Bradshaw. Andy Reid is excellent , too.

[@KevinT7274]

Theismann was a pretty good QB. Put him on those loaded Steelers teams and there wouldn't have been much of a dropoff.

[@normadamous]

@@KevinT7274 i love all three, but i was trying to be objective. it's the only good thing about being in my 50's -- i actually remember the Gibbs glory years.

[@choosecarefully408]

@@normadamous It's a good insight. I find that people are so busy glorifying the sports idols they forget reality & context. (We do this slightly more with politicians). For instance, no one here is mentioning any of the cheats. Does anyone think Mike Tomlin would have gotten a free pass for deflating balls against Andrew Luck, possibly leading to him retiring early? Every last NFL fan would blame him directly. It's impossible to have an objective discussion when we revere sports, the league, & their decision to not adequately punish the cheaters. It creates a fear in people to ever mention the cheat again for fear of Angering their Daddy-Figures.

[@chrisconway9089]

He didn't have to deal with free agency, he could retain talent easily

[@maybebeaux]

gibbs and parcells have both become so historically underrated.

[@allynwadleigh2210]

Don Shula appeared in five Super Bowls with four different quarterbacks and appeared in three decades! He still holds most victories! I would say he is the Mount Everest of coaches! Rest in peace Don!!!!

[@bconni2]

Joe Gibbs won 3 SBowls with 3 different QB's. only coach to do that. were as Shula won 2 with 1 QB. that's been done a bunch of times

[@allynwadleigh2210]

@@bconni2 I agree with you totally how ever how many victories has he had in his career?

[@mattglo4578]

But when he was a coach you could win a Superbowl with a backup QB. They're not doing that in today's NFL

[@starwarsfan7740]

​@@bconni2short career

[@crankybastid2197]

Shula was the youngest coach in NFL history, in an era that youth always took a backseat, coached the Colts to superbowl III. He took that backup QB Earl Morral with him to Miami. Morral stepped in after Griese's early season injury up to mid way through the AFC championship game when Griese returned to win that perfect season superbowl. Repeat,,, Perfect Season. No one will ever beat his win record. He is the Mount Everest of NFL coaches. Bill Parcells was better than Belichick @@bconni2

[@davidkuhlman8004]

Bottom line is every Great coach had great players.

[@BazookaJoeBaseball]

The Patriots didn't win 6 Superbowls and have a dynasty because of Belichick. They had a Dynasty because of Brady.

[@Dougie1969]

It was both

[@poontingus]

Crazy how Brady managed to run the top defenses in the league while also being the qb isn’t that crazy!!!

[@Dougie1969]

@@poontingus Crazy ain't it ? You'd think he was even kicking the field goals.

[@moheganson]

Brady was the neurosurgeon. Belifraud was the Nursing Assistant watching wearing a headset.

[@sabianstringer2112]

So True

[@ehsfb20011]

Dimwit so was Brady coordinating the defense that won half those SBs.

[@Dougie1969]

If ut wasn't for Belichick , Brady wouldn't have been a starting qb

[@sebbonxxsebbon6824]

Bill did TWO great things, drafted #199 in 2000 and #42 in 2010.

[@Xhoven]

He had a lot of great picks between 2009-2012. Edelman, Gronk, McCourty and Hightower were all fundamental pieces of the last three Super Bowls. He's drafted questionably since, but he knocked it out of the park in that time span. If he hadn't, I bet Brady leaves the Patriots in the early 2010s. So he reloaded the roster right when it was needed to keep Brady around another decade.

[@terrancelee437]

@@Xhovenboy Brady wasn’t going anywhere

[@theAGSN]

Haahahaha. Fool. Belidork didn't want Brady. He drafted him with his NINTH pick in the 6th round only to satisfy his then qb coach Dick Rehbein. He only kept Brady in 2001 because he was the cheapest backup option after giving drew Bledsoe a hundred mullion dollar contract in the off season. He tried to get rid of Brady in 2015,,, but Kraft went around him and resigned him. If not for that it is only THREE SB's. BeliDork is an idiot. It was ALL Brady.

[@juggnant1962]

Who was 42?

[@yikes4946]

@@juggnant1962 Gronk

[@bookaufman9643]

I am old enough to remember guys like Chuck Noll of the Steelers and Tom Landry of the Cowboys both being unceremoniously escorted off the head coaching positions that they had held for so long. It is a what have you done for me lately league and no matter how high you go and for how long you do it you're always just one horrible season away from losing your job.

[@MrBlackbolt1]

And what? They pay you money to WIN. If you are not winning you should have the brains to get out.

[@sportsretrospective6759]

@bookaufman9643 I remember also those two great head coaches (Noll, Landry), and the way they left the game. By the way, for me Landry is the best head coach in NFL history; and maybe the greatest defensive coordinator in league history.

[@MrBlackbolt1]

@sportsretrospective6759 Hmmm. Landry eh? The man who for some reason didn’t have a clue that Rodger Stauback was the real deal and platoon him with Craig Morton for a whole season.

[@bookaufman9643]

@@sportsretrospective6759 I actually said that Bill belichick is one of the greatest defensive coordinators of all time. Even though he had other people coaching his defenses in New England it was always his gig.

[@sportsretrospective6759]

@@MrBlackbolt1 Yes, that guy. He had success with 4 different starting quarterbacks. Led the Cowboys to championship games in the 60s, 70s, an still played in three straight NFC title games in the 80s, after Staubach retired. Roger was the best of the bunch. No question. Landry was the first to popularized different formations on offense, motions behind the libe of scrimage, double TE, RB catching out of the backfiled, flea flickers, etc. Same thing on defense. He had a different schemes for each offensive formation. He invented the 4-3 defense, the Flex Defense, using the zone blitz way more than other clubs., etc., etc .,etc. And 21 straight .500 season or better...Still an NFL record. Ron Jaworski said a few years ago: "Tom Landry changed the game". Jaws was right.

[@patrickbarry7711]

Best coach of all time. What he did in the salary cap era. Can’t say on top forever.

[@mcneildelancy4536]

Cheated forever

[@keenannash2947]

He wasn't on top in the 6 years before Brady either...

[@mcneildelancy4536]

Or won in Cleveland so he is beyond a FRAUD

[@aarondelisle7693]

What Brady did in the salary cap era. No other qb could have taken those garbage rosters to that many titles.

[@mcneildelancy4536]

@aarondelisle7693 yep even deflated a few games

[@lawrenceterrell8471]

People survive off the hard work of other people this is what defines Bill legacy

[@damianpresha9833]

None more then Tom Brady

[@terrancelee437]

Bill has 8 rings

[@MrBlackbolt1]

BeliDork rode Brady's the whole time.

[@kevinleewilliams5119]

Why don't you people just look it as a team game versus one guy doing more? It's a team game, coaches win with good teams, the coach creates the environment for a good team, the coach keeps what players he wants on the team, he has to keep them happy or motivated in a way, he did that and won a lot of rings.

[@damianpresha9833]

@@kevinleewilliams5119 They want the QB to be bigger then the team that's why.

[@AEXiTOnE]

BB is a fantastic defensive coordinator who will go down as the greatest coach of all time because of TB. He definitely wouldn't have had the same success without Brady but he was still a beast in his own right.

[@bendover55555]

you didn’t mention that he was the best defensive coach thru the 80s and won 2 rings

[@nunyabusiness5075]

The Giants game plan against the Bills is already resides in Canton (and it doesn't have Parcell's name on it). It's worth noting the Bills beat the Raiders 51-3 to get to the Superbowl, so they were kind of on a hot streak.

[@danlorett2184]

Defensive COORDINATOR. He wasn't the coach. As a defensive coordinator I think he's ranked pretty highly. But as a coach? He's overrated. Still excellent, but overrated.

[@nunyabusiness5075]

@@danlorett2184 I don't think you understand the hierarchy of an NFL coaching staff if you think a defensive coordinator is not a coach. Overrated? Who do you think is better and why?

[@JamieJonesyt]

Thank you man

[@wankertanker1813]

Plus his team Giants cheated by having the d-linemen knock the ball around so the Bills no huddle offense couldn't get set. Slow them down to get breathers.

[@mramirz922]

That hit on Bledsoe did not end his career, he played another 5 seasons after the 2001 season Edit: He's also the reason the Pats made it to the SB in 2001. IYKYK

[@KevinT7274]

Mo Lewis started the Pats dynasty. I think Belichick would have stuck with Bledsoe for most of that season if it wasn't for that hit. Brady forced Belichick's hand so they couldn't go back to Bledsoe when he was healthy again.

[@JohnA_VT25]

Oh yeah, his efforts in the '01 AFC Championship shouldn't be ignored. Probably should have worded that text differently lol

[@choosecarefully408]

@@JohnA_VT25 Well, if I wanted to be harsh I'd suggest you reword everything. _No_ mention of the cheats that affected every S-B after the first one? Brady took the lessons he learned watching those illegally-made videos of other teams' practices & made the best of them. But cripes, look at _ANY_ other QB's highlights. *No one* had receivers more open to throw to than him. & aside from Randy Moss, he never had any top "got free because they fool the defense" receivers. Anyone think Gronk lost defenders because of his speed, tricky routes or ability to change direction? Never. They studied opposing defenses & knew that of the alignment they saw pre-snap didn't change where to send the check-downs. Brady continued doing this _in Tampa Bay._ So this affected his Entire Career. It allowed him to relax in the pocket & effortlessly throw check-downs all game leading to his second sneaky skill that is intelligent: not wearing himself out for 3 quarters, _then_ playing his best in the 4th. Of course that depended on *having* great defenses, which he always had. The Bucs went from 26th-ranked to 5th-ranked on D the year he arrived. Talk about luck. Then there was deflate-gate. Imagine being Andrew Luck throwing away your health to do your best for your team only to have the league spit on you & hand the fruits of your efforts over to someone to who didn't _accidentally deflate_ game balls for what was it, over four full years? They got caught because it took One Feel of a football to notice it was deflated. So again, Brady & Bellichick's success depended on cheats. One wouldn't risk suspension or expulsion from the league _unless they felt they needed to._ The thing is he was a defensive mastermind. I think that this is what his ego rested on & that's why his cheats were always on offense. He must still be aware of this & is still acting like a child worried he'll get caught. Since everyone conveniently forgets he's crap because they wish to idolize Tom if not him, he keeps getting a pass. He's a great DC & nothing else though.

[@KevinT7274]

@@choosecarefully408 Every team cheats, Patriots were better at it. The better argument against Belichick is his record without Brady. Deflategate was a load of 💩. Refs couldn't figure out the footballs were under inflated.

[@choosecarefully408]

@@KevinT7274 1) By all means, tell me what teams are cheating & how. 2) Why would you even _watch_ it if you knew this? 3) What other teams committed the specific cheats the Patriots did? 4) "Deflategate was a load of 💩. Refs couldn't figure out the footballs were under inflated" is just you upset that Daddy was accused. They were caught at it precisely because a ref agreed that the balls definitely were underinflated. Grow tf up.

[@martinadavies8006]

Belichick built great teams, good teams, average teams and even below average teams! It didn't matter! Brady was just that good! The bigger the moment, the greater the pressure, the bigger the performance Belichick is an excellent coach ! But Belichick's numerous mistakes were lessened by having Brady! He elevated his teams and Belichick the coach!

[@terrancelee437]

Mac Jones leading them to the playoffs says other wise

[@servel2]

GTFO, Pat's didn't win a SB for 10 years with Brady under center.

[@martinadavies8006]

@@servel2 What? So only a Superbowl win makes a team or player good?

[@servel2]

@@martinadavies8006 No, but you can either be Dan Marino and go down in history as someone who never won or you can go down as Joe Montana. It is a fact that the Patriots were a crappy team from 2004 - 2013. All this as a Pat's fan.

[@Roman-ng6lj]

@@servel2bro is really calling the ‘07 and ‘10 Patriots trash teams. Yeah bud, I think it’s time for you to log off

[@RoarOfWolverine]

When Belichick can win 3 Super Bowls with three different QBs and not HOF bound QBs either, like Brady, Elway, Montana or any of those guys, but with QBs more in quality level of Joe Theismann, Doug Williams and Mark Rypien, only then can Belichick be in consideration for greatest coach in history award. I think Brady proved that he was the GOAT when he took Tampa Bay to the big show in his first year with the team, so we can no longer claim Brady wasn’t great, but Belichick that made him look good. I can’t imagine how many trophies Gibbs could have snagged had he had any QB in the same league as Brady or someone like Mahomes. Gibbs believed that the offensive line was where the strength came from, not HOF bound QBs. This is why John Riggins set the Super Bowl rushing record in 1982, but when Marcus Allen took that title a year later, the same Hogs opened huge holes for Timmy Smith to bring that record back to Washington and it’s never been broken since 1988! In 1991, the Hogs allowed Mark Rypien to be sack a total of 9 times. Some offensive lines allow that each week. This was in an entire season. The greatest offensive line in NFL history is most likely the Hogs and twice giving runners the Super Bowl Rushing record is a pretty good piece of evidence. Sadly, only one of those Hogs has been enshrined in the HOF, Guard Russ Grimm. It’s a shame that Joe Jacoby, who was left tackle for all 4 Super Bowl teams Gibbs coached was once again snubbed by the HOF in 2023. Both Jeff Bostic (Center) and Joe Jacoby (tackle) have been eligible for a couple of decades now, but like always, offensive linemen are the most ignored players of the game.

[@stephendrigans3667]

With Brady, bill is a mediocre 500 record coach. The Pats dynasties were vast majority Brady

[@dacryptkeeper6836]

His resume is TOM BRADY!!!!!!!!!

[@NYG5]

The interesting phenomenon is the Bill Parcells and Jim Fassel coaching tree is very strong, while the Belichick coaching tree is a disaster.

[@brandonjones8849]

It wouldn’t surprise me if it came out that before Bill lets his assistants walk, he tells them to go ruin franchises from within before he eventually welcomes them back

[@thepubknight6144]

​@@brandonjones8849 The Bill Cowher and Tony Dungy coaching trees are underrated Many of them have been to the playoffs or superbowls

[@theAGSN]

Because he is lousy head coach. If Bledsoe doesn't get injured Brady never plays and BeliDork is fired in 4 years.

[@Dre2Dee2]

a good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit

[@Alex-ie1qu]

@@theAGSNlousy head coach with how many rings? Lol

[@JohnA_VT25]

Thank you all a ton for 10K views, which this video passed earlier today. I know 10,000 isn't a whole lot in the grand scheme of things, but for my third video ever, I'll take it. I'm working on my next video now, and have some great ideas tucked away in the corner of my brain; I think you all will enjoy them. Make sure you hit that subscribe button (: Also, as for the video you're watching, some of yall really need to actually watch the video lmao. I acknowledged that Belichick is the GOAT coach not a minute in; it's not that deep 😂 Regardless, it's all love. Thanks again for your support. 👍

[@Present4]

Give it a month. You'll be at 100k! Keep the vids relevant. One on the Cowboys or a Reid vs Belichick comparison would be interesting too

[@NorthernGoshawk]

You didn't mention cheating or any word ending in -gate once in the whole video? Not once? In a video critical of Bill Belichick?

[@biteme-rz3ws]

Yep his SB"s are all linked to Tom and half of them are linked to cheating. In the end Vince Lombardi is the GOAT as he has 7 title s and won 5 in a row at one point with no cheating and no GOAT QB. BOOM His name is on the SB Trophy for a reason.

[@biteme-rz3ws]

@@NorthernGoshawk This isn't a legit YT channel.

[@aliensyndrome4280]

if players were allowed hit Brady than Belicheck doesn't win with Brady either

[@trharrington22]

*Brady with NE* "Oh hes just a sytem QB. **Brady after NE* "Belichick is nothing without Brady"

[@theAGSN]

?????? BeliDork was nothing before and is nothing after Brady.

[@servel2]

Bill has a SB win with a different team as well. He also drafted, coached and made the Ravens team that won the SB in 2000. Belichick is the greatest defensive coach ever. Tom was the greatest QB of all time. Put them two together and you get 6 SB wins and 20 years of excellence.

[@ftbllguy2515]

He didn't draft or coach any of the notable players from the Ravens team that won the SB. Ozzie Newsome built that Ravens team starting the year after Belichik left when he took Ogden and Ray Lewis in '96. All the other good players were drafted after that point or were free agent signings.

[@nunyabusiness5075]

@@ftbllguy2515 I would say that Ozzie Newsome learned how to be a player personnel director and GM from Belichick (and Ozzie would also say it). Newsome couldn't have drafted Ray Lewis without the picks that Belichick had traded for while in Cleveland. While I will say it's a big stretch to claim a Superbowl win, Baltimore was in a much better position because of Belichick. And Art Modell firing Belichick? I think that wasn't the best idea.

[@ftbllguy2515]

@nunyabusiness5075 I had no idea how much backstory those two guys had. Thanks for the comment. I did know about the Ray Lewis pick coming from a belichik trade, but yeah op saying he drafted and coached them, I was like huh? Haha

[@theAGSN]

@@nunyabusiness5075 Kissing butt HARD aincha. Ozzie has NEVER said he learned anything from BeliDork and it is a good thing he didn't. Dork is an Ahole, and a stupid one at that. Give Ozzie his due for what he has done. BeliDork didn't make any decisions for the Ravens and it is a good thing for them. Dork is a fool.

[@dash4800]

I was allnon board with BB being a genius, but the 2nd half of the patriots run and the post Brady years have reshaped that. Im nkw convinced more than ever that 90% of their success can be just die to them having Brady. In fact, I think BB is directly responsible for them missing out on 2 or 3 more rings because of his questionable coaching decisions, staffing choices, and roster moves. Looking back it was clear that he completely relied on Tom to just get it done no matter what.

[@chipsdad5861]

Not only did Brady overcome being drafted as an after thought. He took himself to greatness and brought Belichick to greatness as well. Now I am curious where Belichick would be if he stayed with the Jets and how that would have played out.

[@FoxxyBrown1111]

Generally agree, and thought the same before TB won the SB with the Bucs... But, but, but: Belicheat won the first 2 superbowls despite the Brady led inept 2001 offense (and defense; lets agree the NFL and/or Vegas gifted this title to the Pats for whatever reason), and the mediocre 03 offense... I think the reason why Belicheat/Brady went on that extreme winning streak was: The longterm starting QB was relatively "cheap" (compared to all other teams with longterm solutions at QB), thus allowing the Pats winning all the SBs from 2003 on with a complete roster... Except for the 2018 season (in which the defense still bailed Brady out), 4 SB wins came with a top 10 defense. The years Brady had to shoulder the main load, he melted down with his 500 points offenses, as late as bad SB endings. Football is the ultimate team sport. Everything needs to go in sync to prevail, and lots of luck have to go your way too.

[@dash4800]

@@FoxxyBrown1111 The biggest reasons were like you said, a cheap franchise qb. Teams just don't win super bowls with expensive qbs. The second thing is they didn't have to invest in offensive talent because Brady just made it work. And then because of that they were able to heavily invest in defense every year. Always having forst rd defensive picks and signing big name corners.

[@FoxxyBrown1111]

Yes. And you can even win without a longterm starting QB (see Dilfer, Williams, Foles, Hostetler, Plunkett, Johnson, etc). All you need is a top 10 defense (or better). If your "franchise QB" Fs it up in the playoffs (happens more often than not), you have somebody to bail you out (especially PM needed it)... Nowadays, you have a 4 year window to win (with a cheap QB), unless Mahomes talks himself to wins via refs... I like the 49ers this year, maybe even the Browns. They are drinking in the last chance saloon, before the dead Watson money cripples them for years. @@dash4800

[@geminijim6655]

@@FoxxyBrown1111 dude what was that team in 2001 record again before Brady started? didn't they win 5 games the year before and were winless until brady started. but yea brady was the inept one. lol.

[@natet5959]

I'm okay with this. Of course, I always thought Belickick was crooked, smug and unlikeable. I'm glad the NFL is experiencing a changing of the guard as far as elite coaches are concerned.

[@googlechicken]

The weird thing about winning coaches is they all tend to have really good players

[@blackflagnation]

Exactly. Phil Jackson had MJ with the Bulls and Kobe and Shaq with the Lakers. That doesn't make Jackson a fraud either, but good a coach with great players.

[@jokerofmorocco]

Not exactly weird but a coach is not a miracle worker, you still need great players in order to win.

[@crankybastid2197]

😂😂🤣🤣 How astute.

[@djaceofpentacles]

Good coaching and scheming to certain strengths can really make a player shine where they wouldn't have

[@googlechicken]

@@jokerofmorocco that was sarcasm

[@Spot67124]

Feel like this is every nfl coach who hasn’t had a good qb

[@jomocheatham]

I love you for this. About to hit that subscribe button, right, now. Thank you.

[@erich7558]

Belichick was never more than an average coach. Brady took an average coach and elevated him into the GOAT conversation. When Belichick gets his Gold Jacket, it will be undeserved and in his heart he knows this. He presided over a 20 year dynasty because of two decisions. 1st to draft Brady and 2nd to elevate Brady to back-up. He couldn't win with pro-bowl QB Bledsoe. All the same players, all the same coaches. Brady steps on the field and instantly everything changes. At best Belichick can be credited with not screwing up a good thing. Maybe that is enough to earn a Gold Jacket. Why did Matt Castle perform so well in Brady’s absence? What is completely misunderstood is that Brady’s influence on the team transcended his play on the field. Brady’s off-field influence lifted the entire team. What Matt Castle inherited was that Brady influenced team.

[@obarbeito]

I'm sorry, but the Cassell story is not impresive because they had the same team that went 16-0 during the regular season...

[@Bu11yMagu1re]

Pretty much, and they went 16-0 facing a murderers row schedule while in 08 they played what were at the time the worst divisions in history.

[@the_boss2194]

Which was put together by who??? Belichick

[@Bu11yMagu1re]

@@the_boss2194 yet somehow cant build a championship roster without Tom. He cant even win a playoff game without him.

[@MrSlashblade]

@@Bu11yMagu1rewell he had at least a safe back up in Jimmy G, and yet he was forced to give it up? Doesn’t sound fair

[@Bu11yMagu1re]

@@MrSlashblade Jimmys mid at best lol. And is massively injury prone.

[@lucristianx]

Greatness has windows. Some of the greatest ever never hit the window. Andy Reid was likely to be there if not for his 4th act in Kansas City with Mahomes.

[@jakermon1014]

I'm happy Brady left. As a bills fan it was nice to be able to respect and admire his play in Tampa while not having to face him twice a year.

[@crankybastid2197]

He's one of the best in a "Touchless QB era" He never had to take the hits the previous generations did, it was a lot more vicious back then. The media and their bullshit journalism makes you hate the labels they attach to Tom, as well as other players. Other than cameramen you don't need any other form of opinion to love football. I'm a Dolphins fan. :)

[@bcorey3660]

@@crankybastid2197I think you’re forgetting how old Brady actually is. Dude won 3 super bowls in the era where you could hit the QB. Literally 20 years ago. Go look up “Nate Clements hit Tom Brady”.

[@artisaprimus6306]

All these comparisons leave Andy Reid looking better than ever. Reid deserved a SB win with the Eagles,but it didn't happen. Ive always believed Belichick was over rated without Brady.

[@RBYU001]

What Reid does with QB’s, BB does with defenses. Coach’s don’t play, so they don’t win the games, the best coaches are ones that don’t lose them.

[@damianpresha9833]

Dumbest thing I ever heard in life players only know what to do based off what the coaches coached them to do. The coach get fired when the players fail to grasp the concepts.

[@nunyabusiness5075]

The plan to beat the Buffalo Bills in Superbowl 25 is enshrined in Canton, and Bill Parcell's name isn't on it.

[@MrPowderEater]

If bill can have success without Brady then I’d put him in the topic of goat but Reid Carrol Walsh Holmgren. There’s a lot of great coaches out there.

[@Ravensfan842]

Andy Reid is nothing without Patrick Mahomes

[@KevinT7274]

Mahomes is so good he can hide Reid's weakness, clock management which was always a problem with the Eagles.

[@davis2k1234]

Reid was just winning every year for a decade w Eagles going to the NFC champ gm and then winning the AFC West for 5 years in row pre Mahomes yeah he was nothing not to mention he got his head coaching job cause he made a Brett Farve into a great QB in the 90s was a coach on super bowl Packers

[@the_boss2194]

@@Ravensfan842Fr. People forget that before Mahomes, Reid had a bad reputation of choking. Basically the bigger the game the worse he got outcoached

[@Bu11yMagu1re]

@@Ravensfan842hes more without Mahomes than Bill is without Tom.

[@English_MoFo]

Bill wanted to prove he could win a ring without Brady. He was wrong. That’s pretty much it 💯

[@ronswoboda8310]

Parcells..no question!.....

[@phillycheese_theuntouchabl1086]

Thats why i can't stand sport's fans sometimes when someone is Winning yall give them all the prase and admiration but when they stop winning now he sucks or you question his legacy the man had superbowl rings before he even became the head coach for the patriots and not only bill drafted Brady when no one else thought he would amount to anything

[@syminite1]

He got those Giants ring as a staffer not a head coach, as a Head Coach all he has proven is that he can't win without Brady. Also Nfl is about what you've done lately, no Patriots fan cares about Old rings from the 80s, 😆 that brings no comfort when your current team sucks, got "Mary" Mac jones as the qb, and you probably gonna be dead last in the division.

[@phillycheese_theuntouchabl1086]

@syminite1 bro Winning 7 rings as a head coach should never go away that what u done for me lately shit is ridiculous its alot of coaches right now who haven't won a dam thing and still have Jobs plus he was the defensive coordinator for those giants teams something u or me know nothing about so stop dick riding Brady number 2 no one wins without anybody in sports so that's a mute point

[@theAGSN]

Truth is sonny boy. BeliDork didn't want Brady and didn't think he would amount to anything. You need to do some research before you say stupid things. Look up Dick Rehbein. He was BeliDopes qb coach at the time. He is the one who went to bat for Brady. He is the reason was NE drafted Brady. It was Dorks ninth pick of the day. it was a throwaway pick. He did it to satisfy his qb coach (who contracted cancer and died the next year) and then rode the Brady's coattails for 20 years. T Always taking credit for something he doesn't deserve. Yep... that is BeliDork

[@WARS187]

Bill has a losing record without Tom Let that hit u in the face

[@WARS187]

Bill is 36-38 in games Tom didn't play imagine that Also Bill is a losing coach without Tom being on his roster

[@symbologee]

Jets fan

[@xZOOMORPHICx]

idgaf what anyone says, the Patriots are cursed for a very long time for not keeping Brady. Winning a Superbowl the very next season solidified the curse imo.

[@BlackMarvel25]

They’re spending all this time talking about Russell Wilson to distract you from the fact that bill belichek was carried by Tom Brady for almost 20 years.

[@BKH_74]

BB is an all time great coach. That being said... Not sure he wins multiple superbowls, with NE, without Brady. Don't know how long he would've been there if they had multiple mediocre seasons with ___ as qb. He may have moved on and coached at GB, or SF. Not sure how many Brady wins without him. The relationships pushed that organization into greatness. IMHO Salute 🥃

[@Vispondcom]

Shula is better than BB anyday

[@LocalBurgerGod]

I wonder if we see this same type of video when Pats career is over and you question Andy 🧐

[@nunyabusiness5075]

We will, and it will be just as stupid.

[@theAGSN]

A good qb makes a good coach. A great qb makes a great coach

[@temiadetomiwa2642]

"Bellchick success is tied to TB12" Well so is Andy Reid, what did Andy Reid win before Mahomes?

[@michelleblanc6377]

He almost won against Brady with Donovan McNabb did you forget?

[@justinmix143]

Another big thing to consider is how he absolutely just lucked into Brady. Its not like he scouted him meticulously and brilliantly spotted his limitless potential, set his sights on his guy, & did whatever he had to do to get him to Foxboro. He casually took him last minute at the ass end of the draft w/ basically a throwaway pick. Had he truly had ANY real conviction about how great Brady could be, he wouldn't have waited til selection 199. Granted, nobody else did either, & he did take him before anyone else, but had Bledsoe never got his lung punctured, we never would've known Brady as anything but a guy who couldn't even beat out Drew Henson at U of M to be Carr's sole starter as a senior.

[@geminijim6655]

dude the scout had to beg Belichick to draft Brady, Belichick didn't see anything. lol.

[@christiandoll4435]

Players can make or break a manager or coach. Same with Joe Torre with Jeter and the Yankees.

[@randomflagg7331]

Y3t brady didn't turn it on in Tampa Bay umtil he taught the bucs coaches how to adopt the patriots offensive system. Because the learning curve to succeed in the Tampa system was so steep it could very well taken years to perfect

[@rolodwayne5841]

Not only that look how stacked that offense and defense was. All they needed was a qb who didnt turn the ball over.

[@Bu11yMagu1re]

@@rolodwayne5841if they were so stacked why werent they winning the year before?

[@Noah-lj4jj]

@@Bu11yMagu1rekind of hard to win when your qb throws 30 picks

[@Bu11yMagu1re]

@@Noah-lj4jj havent made the playoffs in a decade either at that time. 30 picks? So what. That teams stacked right? Surely they would have found ways to win regardless.

[@mr.fettesq.7705]

Except it's hardly the system Belichick created as much as its a system TB is great at running. B.B. is honestly a highly over-rated coach. Who owes his legacy to TB12

[@JuiceBoxHero98]

I love how the narrative was always “Brady is only good because of Bill” and as soon as Brady leaves, the patriots can barely snag a winning record

[@ednovy4925]

Belicheat is NOT the greatest. He cheated his way to at least 2 SBs - 2001 & 2004. If not for Brady he's average at best. You laid it out perfectly

[@andrewfung8591]

So Bill held the 2018 Rams to 3 points his defense has dominated Manning multiple times in the early 2000s defense played a great game against the greatest show on turf where they won 20-17 but this is all Brady’s accomplishments yea ok it takes both of them

[@keenannash2947]

Bill has had 4 top 10 defenses (and 2 top 2 defenses) without Brady and he's done nothing in all 4 of those seasons...

[@terrancelee437]

@@keenannash2947the defense still Carried Brady in the early seasons .. especially in the 2018 Super Bowl

[@keenannash2947]

@@terrancelee437 yea and the offense carried the defense in the 2018 AFCCG to get to the SB... they would t even be in the SB if the offense did t drop like 40 on KC (with Brady making a late gane drive to seal the victory as usual). Like I said, Bill has had great defenses before eithout Brady and they dont do sht.

[@keenannash2947]

@@terrancelee437 also in 2018 the pats had the 4th ranked offense (despite have an offensive roster that was average at best)... and the only reason they won their first 2 playoff games before the SB was cause the offense put uo 30+ points. Brady and the offense carried that team to the SB, the. The defense finally holds uo their end of the bargain in the SB and you wanna act like they were that the whole time lmao.

[@BillyBob-ti2fz]

@@terrancelee437you’re clueless Brady won 2 SB MVPs in the early 2000s, put the team on his back against Carolina in 2003, and played great in all 3 of those SBs, was runner up for mvp In 2003, and carried some horrible offenses on his back.

[@stevejohnson2052]

If you understand anything about football you know it takes MANY people working together to win. Bill’s legacy is secure, he won 6 chips as HC (and GM), you can’t do that unless you are great and you have great players and assistant coaches. TB12 was the most important player but that’s just one piece. BB hit his stride and had great teams from 2001-2018. Before that he was learning. After that he didn’t have great players/coaches (yet anyway). In 2019 the Pats lost in the wild card WITH Brady. The draft is part luck and part skill and a few bad years of drafts left the roster lacking. His best assistants keep getting poached. How many GMs kept a SB winning roster going for 17 years? 1 BB. He's made some bad mistakes (Matt P) but most of the time he's done great or he wouldn't have 6 rings as HC.

[@gbrow1604]

Exactly.

[@nunyabusiness5075]

It doesn't help when your 1st round draft picks are normally 25th or later overall for about twenty years straight. The perils of being great.

[@MrBlackbolt1]

You keep blowing smoke up BeliDorks azz so you dont look like a dummy for backing his idiocy. But BeliDork. Brady won in spite of BeliDork. He galvanized the lousy players BeliDork saddled him with. Dork didnt even want Brady. He draft with his 9th pick to satisfy his the qb coach. Dick Rehbein. Then only kept him because he was a cheaper option Michael Bishop and John Friesz after giving Bledsoe a hundred million dollar contract. Got lucky when Bledsoe got hurt or he would have been fired in 2 more years. Rode Brady’s coattail the whole time. Thats right you conveniently forget he tried to push Brady out the door in 2015. But Kraft went over his head and signed. Giving NE those last 3 SBs. BeliDork is a phuckup and without Brady around to save his butt. Even halfwits like you should be able to see it.

[@MrBlackbolt1]

​@@nunyabusiness5075thats STUPID. BeliDork couldn't draft a good one if he was in the top ten. He wouldn't even he had the chance. He'd trade out of it. He always does. His theiving butt doent want to pay top ten money. He even screwed Mac Jone over contractually at 11. Y'all keep making excuses for this ahole.

[@theAGSN]

BeliDorks legacy of screwing players over is what he'll be remembered for

[@icarus8471]

Every major accomplishment of every great coach is based on having great players. A great coach may get the best out of a team and have it overachieve, but at the end of the day talent wins. And having a first ballot HOF quarterback essentially fall into your lap and that QB playing for 20 years is almost unprecedented

[@ShitLibNPC]

Belichick did win 2 SuperBowls as a defensive coordinator with the Giants.

[@ronharris9829]

Ironically, Belichick did lose 2 SuperBowls as the head coach of the Patriots to the New York Giants

[@whatthebeardoin3160]

As eras change and the roster of your team changes, certain elements of your coaching style and scheme need to also change to reflect the times and the construction of your team. Bill Belichick didn't have sustained success outside of his run with a HOF Quarterback, but that's normal in football I think. Most coaches no longer have their contending window open without a great field general to run the offense. His drafting is notably pretty bad over the last 6 years, and his weird interest in replacing Brady just makes the current QB situation all the more laughable. His real achilles heel these days is that it's no longer a league where being a defensively minded coach works anymore. Too many rule changes, too many transcendentally gifted offensive players, too many dynamic offensive schemes. Belichick's never had a good offensive framework and he doesn't really have notably good OC's throughout his tenure. His legacy as one of the greatest, most successful, most acclaimed coaches of all time is secured, but will his legacy go untarnished in today's offensively dominant league? Most likely he won't last much longer. Everyone's time comes due, and it seems it will soon be Belichick's time to retire.

[@kingsteven7]

Problem is hes a defense 1st thinker. And in modern day NFL you as a head coach are only judge off your Offense. Last three years his Defense have been scary. People forget that with Bryan hoyer and Stiddam he almost beat the Cheifs.

[@nunyabusiness5075]

A Defensive thinker that won Superbowl 25 and stopped a Bills team that beat the Raiders 51-3 to be there. BTW that defensive plan now resides in the football hall of fame in Canton.

[@theAGSN]

Yeah.. ALMOST is always the operative word when speaking about LOSERS

[@VMan29397]

defenses scary 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. dude his defense stat pad against garbage teams and get torched by everyone else. their is a reason they only beat 1 qb who wasnt benched last year

[@nunyabusiness5075]

@@VMan29397 I seem to recall this Belichick HC guy won with defense in a 13-3 Superbowl victory in Feb. 2019......Ancient history, yeah not like the modern NFL. I also recall a year before that a certain QB on Belichick's team threw for over 500 yards in a Superbowl, how did that happen with this "defense first" coach?

[@karuscuvic]

thats not ironic, just coincidental.

[@laurasplicer712]

Bills Belichecks defense took down "the greatest show on turf". Hes legit. Gave him his second ring first with giants

[@chrisjohnson5979]

You forgot they was spying on the rams right.

[@obamacare4811]

​@@chrisjohnson5979you must of forgot you can film teams just from a box and not the sidelines

[@theAGSN]

Brady and Vinitieri WON that game

[@ronharris9829]

The Video tapes won that game

[@ronharris9829]

More impressive is the Giants defense took down an undefeated team.

[@ericscott9029]

People are now quick to say Belichick was carried by Brady, but that's such a bad take because without Belichick's genius defensive mind and genius defensive scouting, our defense would have been pretty bad or just average under Brady, not consistently top 10 as it was during the Brady-Belichick era and even post Brady. Belichick also had a knack for finding quality rbs and is more of a rush-style coach which is especially rare in this modern dominant passing era. Another thing to note is we had quality OCs such as Bill O Brien and Josh McDaniels who knew how to scout and train offensive talent as well as a genius defensive minded DC in Matt Patricia (making him OC was one of the worst Belichick decisions of his career however). I might sound crazy saying this, but if Mac Jones has a breakout year, we could see a deep playoff push and the 'Belichick is carried' argument will lose steam. It all depends on this new season.

[@obamacare4811]

Think about it this way 01 to 04 was dominant defense he tried to go all out with the offense from 06 to 2011 losing in afc champ games and the superbowl twice then went back to going all out with the defense from 12 to 18 so I wouldn't count him out now that they got Billy o because that defense it's starting to look scary again

[@nunyabusiness5075]

I wish Dante Scarnecchia could have stayed forever, but he is 75 now. His son Steve works for the Jets.

[@x-cobra-k1ng-x935]

Couldn’t of said it any better it’s about time someone puts him in his place

[@TrueValience]

You are a fake pats fan. He's a dumbass GM. But that doesn't make him not the greatest coach ever.

[@avuci]

it's almost like almost every coach has had bad to mediocre records with bath to mediocre quarterbacks

[@muskratfury4027]

There is not an easy answer to this. Brady, coming off of a disappointing draft because of underestimations, Belicheck coming off of disappointing work at other teams. There is the possibility in many situations that a genuine chemistry occurs, where the interaction between a few impacts the many in a profound way. I am not particularly a fan of Mr. B, or Mr. B. I do think they have both done amazing things, both because and in spite of being together.

[@danielmckraken5160]

you're only obfuscating the truth because it hurts. BB has a losing record without Tom Brady both in the regular season and in the playoffs. His wins with the Parcells led Giant count for shit towards his own head coaching record. The Guy failed in Cleveland, failed in New York, and he was failing in Foxborough before the kid from San Mateo showed up.

[@mjarmes]

all the cheating scandals surrounding him and the Patrots are so blatantly ignored by everyone.... It's like everyone forgot the deflated balls, spygate and bounties on other players. When he was finally not able to continue doing these things him and Brady were never the same, hum wonder why...

[@Kings0424]

For real like damn

[@bradywalton1380]

The Supreme Court proved that the pats didn’t deflate shit. But ignore that I guess

[@Kings0424]

@bradywalton1380 That's because Roger Goodell told them to destroy all the evidence and everything else. Why you think he gets booed every year when the NFL draft.

[@michelleblanc6377]

@@bradywalton1380 Worse the NFL itself deflated the deflategate scandal by collecting ball pressure readings the following year and once they have collected the information and analyzed the results. They were advised by the NFL legal counsel to destroy all the documents and analysis regarding that story to avoid any future litigation.

[@Stephen-yk5ik]

I've been saying this for years as a Tom Brady fan. But Belichick is a great defensive mind, a good manager overall, but only so-so when it comes to an actual good coach. Tom Brady is an enigma that breaks all of the standard football mentality. Brady is what made the Patriots special the majority of the time. I think the Pats could have gone to the Super Bowl with Bledsoe in 2001-2002. But after that is when Brady took over the team and made it the reason they won. As long as he had decent tools around him and a serviceable Defense to "bend-not-break". Brady would win games, and did. While I largely agree that the lack of support Tom was getting was a big reason why he left. The ego of Belichick was another reason. I think at some point (or he always did) Belichick believed he was the reason the Pats won, and he could have done it all with or without Tom Brady.

[@pandasong7801]

1:07 Josh Allen made him slam that phone on MNF. Why didn't the Genius move up to get him, like Brandon Beane did? Kiper had him as the first pick in '18. The Genius was a step behind Beane and Kiper. GOAT?

[@bookaufman9643]

You really can't compare what a backup quarterback does to what a starting quarterback does. If you have a backup in there then your chances of winning aren't very good and that doesn't necessarily land at the feet of the head coach. If you take out any starting quarterback in the NFL your chances of winning plummet.

[@VeggieRice]

there has never been a time in football where what you just said is more untrue than now

[@bookaufman9643]

@@VeggieRice how so? Watch the in-game betting odds when a starting quarterback leaves the game. There are a few teams that are about the same from starter to backup but that is not the case with good teams. This year may be the year that my comment is least true but it's still true.

[@JamesKlemm87]

@@VeggieRice Lol what? You mean now, as in after Mahomes, Stafford, Brady, Mahomes and Brady won the last 5 SB's? Are you high?

[@simon_carrick8198]

Most dynasty teams need to enter a rebuild phase every 5-10 years, Bill Belichick kept the Patriots out of a rebuild for nearly two decades, and Tom Brady (coincidentally I’m sure) left the team as soon as they finally needed a rebuild. Belichick is the greatest defensive mind of all time, even after Brady’s departure his Patriots team’s defenses have ranked 7th, 2ND and 11th, and even had the 6th ranked offense after just 1 season without Brady. The only thing holding Belichick back is that he hasn’t found a reliable QB to replace Brady, but once he does it’ll be back to dominating, as not only has he supplied QBs with elite defenses for over 20 years, he’s also supplied his QBs (Brady) with above average to elite offensive support as well, as Brady’s receiving weapons, running game, and offensive line have been statistically better than other all-time greats of his era, like Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees. A big wall to face however is a change in division. During all of Tom Brady’s years with Belichick, they played in a division that was in contention for the worst division for 20 years straight. Coincidentally, as soon as Tom Brady leaves the East, a guy named Josh Allen decides to be a top 3 QB in the NFL, the Dolphins become contenders, and the Jets improve as well. So not only is Belichick facing a QB vacuum, but his division has gotten *extremely* more difficult since Brady left, that’s not on him. Even with Brady’s departure it only took 1 season before they got a top 10 offense and a playoff berth in a harder division than Brady ever played in, and while they did lose first round, it was to a juggernaut Bills. Bill Belichick may not be the single greatest head coach ever, but he is the greatest defensive mind of all time, and supplied Tom Brady the tools he needed to become known as the goat. Once Belichick finds a new conservative passer with average physical skills who is careful with the ball, or in other words another Brady, he’ll be back to winning rings every 3-4 seasons. Though not at quite the pace as with Brady due to the division’s rise in competition.

[@brlyjo]

One thing to note is Brady left to a division he thought was easier to win.

[@simon_carrick8198]

@@brlyjo Funnily enough, the division he left to was slightly harder than the one he was in, at least in my opinion

[@brlyjo]

@simon_carrick8198 look at 2021

[@simon_carrick8198]

@@brlyjo Yeah I mean by 2021 the AFC East had grown much more difficult than the NFC South, but the year that he actually left, the NFC South with Drew Brees and Matt Ryan Saints and Falcons was much harder than the AFC East, in fact Brady didn’t even win the division that year! So while Brady did leave to a harder division, after just 1 season his old division got a lot harder and his new division got a lot easier

[@brlyjo]

@simon_carrick8198 I agree with your analysis. I'm just saying Brady knows how to consider all the factors. Even going to the NFC seemed to be a good move.

[@People-Business-And-Ideas]

Your right to question his legacy. Numbers never lie. The Belicheck way is B.S. He's a below average coach without Brady.

[@urbanlegendsandtrivia2023]

LOL! Bill Belichick won the 2001 AFC Championship Game with Drew Bledsoe as QB instead. Bill Belichick went to the playoffs with Mac Jones, which is a miracle no other coach could accomplish. Bill Belichick won 2 more Super Bowl rings as a defensive coordinator for the NY Giants. Bill Belichick called most of Tom Brady's plays, while old-school quarterbacks called their own plays. DEFENSE wins championships, and Tom Brady played very little linebacker during the playoffs.

[@caverramos7581]

Bill did win 2 sb with the giants as a DC which is nothing to scoff at

[@keenannash2947]

DC and HC are very different... if he was a DC right now he would not be facing any criticism.

[@andreasdwiputra8818]

Matt patricia also won rings with patriots lol

[@theAGSN]

Scoff... So didn't David Wannstedt...

[@trayisraw]

He went 7 and 9 in 2020 with cam newton, the next year a playoff apperance and then the following year barley missed the playoffs honestly probably should have if the raiders dibalcle didnt happen. i know pro sports is what have you done for me lately but i can name atleast 6 nfl teams that would be satisfied with that 3 year span its not realistic to win the division every year for a decade plus pats fans need to realize that its not normal and wont happen again.

[@keenannash2947]

Don't forget the 6 years before Brady became his qb... not to mention that 2nd year you mentioned they got absolutely destroyed in embarrassing fashion in the 1st round of the playoffs (showing they weren't real contenders).

[@trayisraw]

@@keenannash2947 Right he was subpar in cleveland but had one playoff apperance to be fair literally everyone whos gone to cleveland hasnt faired well at all besides a few people. and i hate when people bring up the word "contenders" like yeah i get it they didnt match up against the bills or the chiefs but once youre in the tournament so to speak you have a chance any given sunday but if you want to continue living in a world were everythings cut and dry then so be it. But they were still top 10 in rushing offense and mac had a pro bowl alternate so in any case it was better then the previous year getting rid of mcdaniels is what turned things worse imo.

[@keenannash2947]

@@trayisraw no... this is where history is important. The Cleavland Browns that Bill coached left Cleavland an became the Baltimore Ravens. It was actually the Ravens that fired Bill, they had already moved cities and changed the name before firing him that off season. It's understandable that people don't know this, the current clevland Browns are an expansion team that started in 1996, but the league wanted to help ingratiate them with the fans who were still upset their team moved so they gave the Ravens franchise history as the Browns to the expansion team.

[@trayisraw]

@@keenannash2947 Well according to wikipedia it says that he was the browns head coach from 91 to 94 and dont say anything about him being a head coach until 2000 with the pats but i do know about the whole thing where he was the head coach but quit before the season and went to the pats only leaving a note explaining his departure so yeah he has baggage but seems like most coaches do to some extent.

[@keenannash2947]

@@trayisraw no that's something completely different. What I am talking about is the Browns moved to Baltimore. Bill couched the Browns in 91-94 and in 95 the Browns moved to Baltimore and became the Ravens... they had already moved cities and changed names when they fired Bill, but he was fired in the offseason before they played their first game as the Baltimore Ravens.

[@user-ys7yt9bi8f]

Man, not even 6 super bowls and 9 trips is save from the armchair crowd.

[@hughobrien4139]

No questioning the legacy. We’ve all watched his wizardry work to instantly shift game momentum over and over and the methods used were nothing short of the adjective. The man is a legend no doubt about it. He has absolutely zero to prove. The reason for these statements is very simple. Nothing complicated about it what so ever. A pure cause and effect scenario just as clear as the coaches ability to shift game momentum. Belichick is what as known as a smug statist on the highest order. He wreaks of it. Nothing patriotic about it. Just sheer unabashed statism that makes arrogance feel closer to humility. It comes with the territory of the job, but it will tear at the best of legacies in caustic style. Fair minded people can not refrain from it. From a quality of life after football stand point I’d sure be looking at ways to humanize myself. Amends are a must. I get it I understand. It does not matter who you are in this world. If you do not discipline yourself. The world will certainly do it for you. While Belichick mindset has zero inclinations for these subject matters. Posterity will prove the best of us wrong. We’ve all seen this one too many times. I hope a wise man makes the wise moves to preserve future deterioration.

[@arcadius853]

11-5 with matt cassel. safe to say I think he's a good coach, and he's just trolling around at this point

[@nick94nw]

With an 18-1 roster the year before

[@arcadius853]

@@nick94nw the rams won the superbowl in 2021 and were dogshit in 2022 even for the first half

[@nick94nw]

@@arcadius853 and? Injuries and Super Bowl hangover and the cap casualty caught up to them in the end

[@symbologee]

@@nick94nw Derp

[@breachtones]

@@arcadius853 their quarterback suffered a major elbow injury, their OL massively regressed after whitworth retired, and a lot of their splerging on 1-year win now deals and trading away their picks came back to bite them.

[@slimypickle19]

Cmon, let's call it for what it is. The Patriots level of talent the last couple years is no where close to any of the 2000s or 2010s Patriots. Anyone remember how phenomenal Brady was his last year in New England? How about this past year in Tampa where he had similar talent around him like the Patriots did? 8-10 & get crushed by America's chokers in the 1st round. Football is a team sport & Belichick & Brady BOTH struggle with lower to bad teams around them.

[@nunyabusiness5075]

What? Are you saying when your first round pick is normally 25th or later overall for damn near 20 years straight it's a bit hard to put together a quality roster and eventually finishing so well every year takes it's toll?

[@danlorett2184]

That's also on Bill. He suddenly got awful at drafting in around 2014 and that has consequences.

[@isiahromero1353]

I stand by bill. He definitely benefited by having Tom brady as his qb, but he was a defensive mastermind and definitely was a huge oart of those super bowls

[@ohitzwavy7173]

All of this is stupid when put into context. We can agree that Bill didnt draft offensive talent in brady's last year and brady won because he had a compotent offense. Once he didnt have said weapoks he fell off a cliff. Brady stays in NE his fall off comes sooner. 2021 Pats make the playoffs and last year its missed because by one game despite an abysmal offense and 4 out of the 9 loses were winnable, like cmon

[@charliekilo7122]

Bill hasn't won a SuperBowl without Brady? And ?!?! Did Bill Walsh win any without Montana? Has Andy Reid won any without Mahomes? Does anyone think Brady becomes the GOAT without Bill Belichick? Bill believed in Brady, and had the giant brass balls to continue to play him with the highest paid QB in the league and former #1 draft pick riding the bench. The decisions to draft Brady, keep him as a FOURTH quarterback on the roster his rookie year, and to go with him over Bledsoe to win the first Patriots SuperBowl are genius level decisions in retrospect. He had the insight and determination to make them in real time. The Patriots do not have six SuperBowls with any other coach in history. Bill is the GOAT.

[@skettinbutter3635]

Bill has 2 rings without Brady

[@WARS187]

Reid was still a winning coach ask mcnabb 5 straight nfc championship games hmmmm Bill sicked b4 Brady bad AF Now after he is average at best Minus Tom and Bill is butt cheeks facts #'s don't lie

[@skettinbutter3635]

@@WARS187 you're right number don't lie. Bellichick has 8 rings brady has 7. Nuff said

[@alexdenty7041]

​@skettinbutter3635 two of those are as a defensive coordinator

[@charliekilo7122]

@@alexdenty7041 Coach Belichick has six Super Bowls as head coach of the Patriots. He also has two additional Super Bowls as defensive coordinator of the Giants.

[@ryandonovan5205]

If you don't think those Patriots teams couldn't of won those superbowls with Manning, Favre,Rivers,Marino.. they went 11-5 with Castle, and not The Punisher

[@ThePalsiedPen]

They went 11-5 with the same roster as the year previous (who went undefeated in the regular season). That's a five-win dropoff. Also, Matt Cassel left the Pats and made the Pro Bowl with the Chiefs, so it's not like he was a bad QB. Let's not be absurd.

[@davis2k1234]

🤡 after going 18-1 that’s a 7 win drop off and Matt Cassel went 10-6 w Chiefs and made a Pro bowl in 2010

[@Bu11yMagu1re]

11-5 and no playoffs. A 5 game regular season regression is pretty substantial.

[@bigmils44]

Born and raised in Boston watched every Brady game facts are facts Bill hasn’t done damn thing without Brady

[@akvalues]

I’ll take Bill Walsh as my coach.

[@WideTier]

You lost me at the headline. Talk to us again after Reid or ANY other NFL coach wins their 6th SB with the same team.

[@Bu11yMagu1re]

Jerry Krause won 6 titles too lol. Andy Reid was making NFC championship games with Philly back when Mahomes was in grade school.

[@BushnoSkillzz]

Im sorry but you cant claim a coach is the best when every single accomplishment is linked to the greatest QB ever. The year Tom left he went on to win a super bowl while Belicheck hasnt recovered since. I pray he keeps coaching another decade to make clear the fact it was always Brady

[@TootieOrchid]

Decade?! He’s 71

[@theAGSN]

100% facts

[@WoahLookAtThatFreak]

Wow, wonderful point. It's almost like you need great players to win championships. What a groundbreaking argument that nobody has ever thought of before

[@romanclay1913]

Belichick's record: BB(Before Brady) 36-44 AB(After Brady) 26-29

[@dacryptkeeper6836]

I would have FIRED him for throwing Super Bowl LII against the Eagles!

[@big8dog887]

While you may justly criticize Belichick for failing to win without Brady, you also have to remember who created Brady in the first place.

[@maximefraisier1010]

His parents ?

[@Bu11yMagu1re]

Tom created Tom. Bill was close to getting fired before Bledsoe was bleeding out into his chest cavity.

[@mr.fettesq.7705]

Belichick absoluetly did NOT create Brady....Brady was gonna be Brady wherever he was. Bill is over rated AF

[@seand7042]

​@@maximefraisier1010yes them we must consider them in our... Considerations!

[@syminite1]

​@@maximefraisier1010😆 😆 😆 😆!

[@patrickprun1467]

Donovan McNabb is one of the most underrated quarterbacks in NFL history. Imma bucks man who had to watch Donovan McNabb evolve from a running quarterback to a complete and utter nightmare to play

[@itsmellslikeshitdontit3752]

Hell go down as a legend. Andy Reid can only wish to end his career like Bill.

[@drencrum]

Belichick is a defensive tinkerer and prodigy who is also inconsistent in successfully scheming, both overachieving on the defensive side of the ball and underachieving. What he's never been is a great offensive mind, he has openly dissed offenses as being dumb and his general approach to offense is to put together a conservative basic approach that gives his defense time to rest and is at least able to score a couple touchdowns a game but most importantly doesn't turn the ball over. Belichick is the kind of coach who wants to win with scoring on all 3 phases while crushing an opponent's offensive schemes. As a HC everywhere he's gone he consistently neglected the offense after putting together the basics, often leaving the responsibility of making it work and excel to the offensive coaches and players so he can focus his mental energy on the defense. The net result of this is a low-scoring team that scares nobody and finishes the season average every year. Obviously Brady benefited from a HC that gave him his job that could provide defense, but Belichick isn't necessarily unique in that, nor did Belichick consistently defend like Brady was asked to consistently score. Without Brady there just is no way in my mind that the Patriots Dynasty was as consistently successful as it was, it was like having two coaches on a team but one was a player.

[@hunter9mm]

I would just like to say, Tom and Bill both won together, so who is to say without either they wouldn’t have had the same amount of success?

[@cheekoyy]

Brady won a ring in a TB w/o bill js

[@NJDesa-ny9by]

@@cheekoyywith a top defense and two pro bowl receivers…and a Chiefs team without their two starting OTs. That ring he won in Tampa came with an insane amount of luck lol

[@TrueValience]

@@cheekoyy It is ridiculously easier to go to a stacked team than it is to rebuild a depleted team who just lost it's star QB. This is a dumb take

[@NJDesa-ny9by]

@@TrueValience yeah it’s so annoying how people act like Brady went to some 1-16 team and single-handedly turned them into a Super Bowl-caliber team. That Bucs team was 7-9 the year before, would’ve been 8-8 if their rookie kicker didn’t miss an easy field goal against the Giants, and could have easily been 13-3 at best and 11-5 at worst if Winston didn’t throw a record number of INTs…which would’ve made them a playoff team since the Vikes made the playoffs that year with a 10-6 record. The 2019 Bucs were a playoff team disguised as a bad team. All they needed was a quarterback who wouldn’t throw 30+ INTs to be a contender and Brady fit that. I’m pretty sure Case Keenum could win a Super Bowl with that Bucs team lol

[@theAGSN]

Thats stupid. BeliDork is a fraud who rode Brady's greatness when he wasn't sabotaging it.

[@Aycr]

When you're the Greatest Coach of all Time, haters will hate.

[@mr.fettesq.7705]

He's just not though. I don't know why anyone would think that. Brady gave him his legacy. Without Brady...he's maybe with the Patriots one or two more years before bou ding around the league as a coach...then prob coordinator. He's just not that impressive without Tom Brady as his QB

[@kevinc8955]

He needs to prove it. Tom took the entire Patriots culture of discipline and confidence with him to Tampa, and turned them into perennial contenders and a Super Bowl champion. Patriots look like a rudderless ship. If Bill can’t at least make the playoffs without a HOF QB, then how is he different than the dozens of coaches that get canned over the years for the same problem?

[@syminite1]

​@@kevinc8955Facts.

[@Xhoven]

So asking legitimate questions is hating now? Why does he not have to prove himself without Brady? He just gets to coast off his past success when his last playoff win was almost half a decade ago?

[@dwaynehoward240]

Brady already woman ring without him. Wtf has bill done loser

[@joe-dp3ng]

Before he got caught cheating I thought he was a super human coach. He was calling the perfect defense time after time and for almost every team. I was shocked how good he was or so I thought. Then he was caught so he was getting away with all kinds of cheating and then all of a sudden it all made perfect sense after he got caught. I don't like the NFL near as much as I used to. The tuck rule on was total sickening to me that they let the pats keep cheating and gave Kraft that many super bowls.

[@stephcurran1724]

As a pats fan, hear me out. If it is another losing season this year, Belichick should lose his GM responsibilities. As a defensive mind, he has not lost his edge at all. Despite the debacle that was the 2022 pats, defense was still top 10. This man cannot draft offense and has been so inconsistent with scouting offensive talent.

[@powerofk]

Honestly, even though Brady was the reason why the Patriots won all those titles, it was Belichick who gave Brady his shot and didn’t automatically go straight back to Bledsoe after Bledsoe had come back from injury. Even though Brady had outperformed Bledsoe, the prevailing thought at the time was that a starting QB did not lose the starting job while recovering from an injury. Belichick didn’t care. And had Belichick not done this, Brady may never have had another shot. Give Brady the credit for making the most of his opportunity, and give Belichick the credit for sticking with Brady even after Bledsoe had fully recovered.

[@natashacutiepie6074]

No he wasn't. He wasn't even the reason they will against the Rams. That was all Bill's defense. And don't get me started on the 3 SB Pats won off the leg of Adam Vinitiri. Amazing how people forget.

[@kevinleewilliams5119]

It's a team game but let's argue about who did more for who lol. It's a team game, it takes a group. Damn this shit reminds me of politics, it takes a group of people to destroy a country, not one president.

[@brandonpurdy7658]

Bill's legacy is the best coach ever.

[@TheRealMRGG85]

While I don't think overall he's the best head coach ever. I've by far think he's the best defense of mind to ever be involved in NFL

[@140acresretired7]

No Brady, no super bowls for Bill. Brady was going to win them no matter where he went has he has shown us.

[@terrancelee437]

Bill still has 8 rings

[@140acresretired7]

@@terrancelee437 Wow Brady only has 7. Maybe bill is better.

[@gbrow1604]

Brady went to a stacked team and was mediocre in the team's toughest playoff matchups(NO and GB). He got incredibly lucky.

[@WARS187]

Bill got lucky Anyone thinks different is a pat fan idc

[@johndrake3472]

Nah, no it isn’t time; never gonna be time - clickbait

[@thecrazynodak]

As far as I'm concerned, Belichick's tenure without Brady has ended his GOAT case. As the video said, Reid has gotten the best out of QBs like Vick, McNabb, and Smith, and his career without Mahomes absolutely dunks on Belichick's without Brady, so he's not even the best coach in the his own era. I would put Lombardi, Gibbs, Walsh, Johnson, and Reid ahead of him.

[@user-qr7ee2cp4y]

I guess we answered the question of who was responsible for new England 's success... Brady or Bill

[@heybrowhatup]

It’s an easy answer. It’s Tom Brady. Bill wouldn’t have survived much longer in NE without competent QB play. Herm Edwards had said Bill believed he was on the hot seat in 2001 after Bledsoe got hurt. Skip Bayless has confirmed this as well as he had a friend on the Pats staff who told him he put his house up for sale as the friend thought the entire Pats staff were going to get fired.

[@i_i8924]

AFC East has gotten more competitive which a contributing factor. Also having doubts about your QB (and OC) doesn't help.

[@Roman-ng6lj]

Exactly, the AFC East is possibly THE best division in football this season. You’ve got the juggernaut Bills offense and defense, the Dolphins and their high power offense, and the Jets with a (probably) competent QB and a pretty damn good defense. Tough to keep on winning when your whole division is contenders