It's Time to Stop Complaining About Destiny 2

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It's time to stop complaining about Destiny 2, y'all. The game is what it is. You're going to be the old man shouting at the sky meme if you keep it up. Here's where I'm at with the game and where many others are too.
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[@TrueVanguard]

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[@N1GHTM4RE_YT]

Absolutely not. I've dropped off _Hard_ Since after Final Shape. Now I only get on to play with friends and help those in Raids And dont even get me started on pvp. Outside of dicking around in PMs with, Again, Friends, I have not touched PvP. Except 8v8. I liked that.

[@agamerjourney9146]

You can tell who actually plays Destiny 2 by those who claim it's a PvE only game. These types of people don't realize that Destiny 2 has always been a PvP/PvE game at its core. The game's player base declined due to the lack of PvP support for so long. Recent DLC sales have proven that good PvE content didn't increase DLC sales, because focusing too much on one side of the game will eventually lead to a huge portion of the player base leaving. Let this sink in for players who say it's a PvE only game. Despite receiving great PvE content in the final shape DLC, people still lose their jobs.

[@TheVariable4]

I'm in a love/hate relationship

[@Equinøx-h8e]

i quit a long time ago and play a game that respects my time 'warframe' and doesn't delete content but has the content forever

[@DataButcher]

Destiny’s on a slippery slope when negative passion turns to apathy

[@darksharkzero6669]

this is what happens when a bunch of mentally ill people overwhelm the actual talent and make them leave because they cant deal with the woke freaks anymore

[@styloren]

We're past that, I think. I started losing the plot toward the end season of Witch Queen and just couldn't make myself get excited for Lightfall. As a matter of fact, I started typing out a further explanation and can't even bother 😂 It's cooked.

[@attackmanatee02]

Already happened to me. Not the slightest amount of desire to play anymore.

[@Alltruh]

@@styloren As did I, friends bought me Lightfall to keep me playing but shortly after I was becoming so drained of the game and I think the likeness of many if not most players had the same sentiment. TFS really was the the final nail in the coffin for Destiny. I don't see a world in which it 180's itself back to life. It was fun while it lasted.

[@wack-a-n00b81]

I haven't played since the week before lightfall. The TWABs basically laying out that they were abandoning PVP killed it. I stayed checking out what the "strike team" might do, but it was wayyyyyyy too little way to late. 5 brand new maps with the final shape would have brought me back. It's not even very many for a game with the player count d2 had and a studio bungies size. Bungie would need a new leadership structure to get me to buy another game from them.

[@RedShadowOfSaturn]

The problem with the idea of "just take it less seriously" and/or "just take a break when you're not feeling up to it" is that the game still requires money to continue playing. New expansions, new seasons, these things require continued investment. If they were entirely free and PERMANENT, players could come in and out as they pleased, and never have to worry about FOMO manipulating them to feel forced to play when they aren't up to it. As it stands (doubtful that this will change with Frontiers), new big content will require more money to get in the door, and if the current content isn't good enough for people to feel good about the last couple years worth of purchases, slowly but surely, more and more people will say no, the player count will continue to drop. Especially when you factor in the increasing amount of bugs that aren't just nagging little graphical quirks, but potentially YEARS worth of "this bug caused the gear you tried to farm nearly impossible to get"...what Paul Tassi was talking about, losing the trust of the players...if players can't trust Bungie to make a fun, rewarding product (rewarding in loot, rewarding in story, rewarding in competition, rewarding at all), then why bother play OR pay. Nothing gets better when the community is largely apathetic.

[@R377R0]

Players absolutely wanna get their moneys’ worth.

[@RedShadowOfSaturn]

@@R377R0 Destiny players both old and new, ones that have lapsed and vets grinding daily, all deserve to be treated better...in terms of quality and passion...and neither of those things have truly met the players' expectations.

[@vruxdrossgaming]

I'm a veteran player and have apathy towards the game. After playing a bit of Echoes, I just eventually stopped playing and focused on single-player games. I have no interest in really coming back either. After seeing how this episode is doing, I'm not really missing out on anything because I already have crafted weapons that can do the same job as these new ones, but do it better, or have god roll loot from the Into The Light update before Final Shape and have better loot, along with dungeon loot that can do the same thing these episode/season weapons can. Without new perks or being non-craftable, there isn't much incentive to get these weapons due to the vault space issues, I may not have that issue, but others do. It's why some of the community wants a Destiny 3, to have something new and innovative.

[@FLINTZ]

The best thing I ever did was quit this game. Loved playing it very much, but it's not a shell of its former fun filled self. The game actually sucks which is something I would have never said a year and a half ago. After leaving, I find myself enjoying gaming a lot more. Playing games that actually end, appreciating different genres and actually having fun instead of playing a chore... because that's what Destiny 2 is. A grocery list of things for the player to do in order to maintain status. Like I said, this game used to be amazing, but now? It absolutely sucks.

[@stevenpedersen1505]

Worst thing for a game isn’t super negative comments, shows people still care enough the game to want it to improve. Apathy is what truly means the game is dead. I logged on for Iron Banner cuz I like the armor set, did my daily challenge matches and then got off. Still haven’t tried Tomb of Elders at all

[@Luke973T]

Same

[@gevitar04]

Don't bother, you can get the same loot from Onslaught, and while Tomb of Elders is slightly faster, its annoying af.

[@PolsonJax]

Apathy is exactly right. I logged into the season late and did a few of the seasonal activities. Meh. Got to the ridiculous potions and realized I don't care about the hamster wheel any longer. Haven't gone back.

[@Paulito941]

you should just to get a good gridskipper if you havent already

[@thebapslaps]

I'd still argue that super negative comments are still bad to have. Even if it does mean they are interacting, most of em are extremely toxic and rude. Making both the devs hesitant to interact with us, what few can, and much of the community unwilling to be at all respectful to each other. Creating a hostile environment that isn't inviting nor enjoyable. It feels like pointing this out though doesn't do anything, as most seem to shrug it off or be toxic just like I've mentioned, to justify being such horrible people.

[@junostarr3101]

Short answer is no. The apathy has hit hard and i'm finding myself logging in less and finding less reasons to come back.

[@bloodelf941]

Respectfully, this is like the 4th time you've made this video. I dont think you're going to stop complaining, nor do I think you should. Even a decade in, Destiny has as almost as much potential as it has flaws.

[@Brian-ch6hg]

I, too, took a 3-month hiatus. That was about 18 months ago or so. Think I’ll just plan to stay there. 😂

[@agamerjourney9146]

So never played final shape lol?

[@Belial289]

but it's funny how nobody hates d2 more than d2 players...

[@QuietDarkness27]

That’s because it’s to convoluted to get into casually. Yes, veterans can go casual, but no one is getting into Destiny casually.

[@Ridgelinehunter007]

​@@QuietDarkness27 That is the current state of gaming ask.Most of the games worth playing require a Serious time investment

[@itshadouken]

@@QuietDarkness27 I literally play it casually haha, I play the campaigns and seasonal content, play the events, play some crucible a few times a week for an hour or two, play the playlist activities like Onslaught a couple times a week. Is there something wrong with playing like this? lol

[@Whiskey_Cola_i_tequila]

​@@itshadoukenabsolutely not dude i have been very busy the last year and i also play like that these days

[@kcisthe1st]

Wait you mean to only people that complain about a product are the people that have been customers of said product. Wow hilarious 🤡

[@fissilepear7805]

As soon as I stopped taking Destiny 2 seriously I enjoyed myself FAR more than I had in the past. By simply playing maybe a couple matches of iron banner, a quick dungeon run or the final encounter of a raid instead of grinding for long hours, I've enjoyed the game so much more. I feel like Destiny has such an addicting and time consuming gameplay loop that far too many people treat the game like it's their job and take changes and problems with the game far too seriously. Just take a break, play other games and play what you like instead of stressing over what you don't. Yes you may not get the 5/5 god roll or have the gilded title to flex with but you'll be far happier and have lots more time on your hands.

[@jgmiller804]

Absolutely. Moderation is key.

[@bruiseleeroy7010]

Some people here really dont like to hear Play the game less or Take a break and play other games. Like fr fr play less video games in general. Go out and enjoy life

[@Zana205]

You will never get me to stop complaining about my paid DLC being removed from the game. Yet I still play this game lol

[@Hawk-Eye-bs2hr]

As Rebecca said in Warframe's devstream: "Our updates aren't going anywhere."

[@titanjakob1056]

@@Hawk-Eye-bs2hr don’t let it change the fact that we simp for Pablos mom

[@brauliogreen9110]

How your title reads “It’s time to stop holding Bungie accountable”

[@WhereIs_James]

No. It reads just how he typed it, none of the people who still patronize D2 hold Bungie accountable if they still play that broken game. Holding them accountable and complaining arent the same thing considering you’ll “hold them accountable” and still play whatever product they put in front of you no matter what. It’s Stockholm Syndrome. So if you’re still gonna play the game anyway, then like he said, it’s time to stop complaining

[@benlandis6317]

Avid pvp guy who used to no life destiny, I finally hung up my hunters cloak and even the final shape couldn’t pull me back. Love your content TV and hope you’re having fun and finding success with the other games too.

[@oldboy2399]

Same, they literally push players away and only have kept many around through an addiction of sorts....

[@turqeee]

I’ve moved on after giving a decade to the franchise. I’ll always cherish the memories, and I have no negative feelings towards Bungie or Destiny, but I’m almost surprised at how much I don’t care about the game after so many years of caring deeply. There is a small part of my brain that remains frustrated at the missteps and Destiny never reaching its full potential … but maybe that potential was imagined all along and the frustration is of my own making …

[@EreptileDysfunction]

“Hung up my hunters cloak” goes hard

[@realishgaming]

I was the same loved Destiny 1, no lifed it, Destiny 2 comes out and I was playing it a lot for about a year but it went downhill with Destiny 2 so much I got to the point I realised how much time I was wasting on it being frustrated most of the time and though this isn't even worth it and yes PvP was the only reason I played until they started adding easy to use grenade launchers where the grenades chase you from around corners 🤣🤣

[@84coti]

I think criticizing the game for it’s flaws is totally acceptable. The game in itself is amazing to play, but the new player experience needs a complete overhaul. There’s a lot of quality of life that can be implemented too. Showing in precisely what fragments/perks/mods gives would be a huge improvement. Why do I need to ho on a 3rd party website to understand how bait n switch is way better than frenzy? Adding the % each buffs gives you wouldn’t overload the description of the perks at all. I love this game and play it everyday but complaining all the time is just a waste of energyto me. I do the activities I like and that’s it.

[@TheIndulgers]

It is insane that Sony spent 3+ billion for two IPs, Destiny and Marathon. They fired most of the talent, and the talent they didn't fire, left. Congrats Sony, you bought a couple tired IPs and a building.

[@ahawkone8850]

I like it still. I agree that pvp development slowing down was a bad move. The thing that feels bad to me this year is that The Final Shape genuinely felt like a new game in a way that D2 hasn’t felt since Forsaken… and then these Episodes are just back to same-old, same-old… It seems like they can’t deliver the volume of content needed to keep the game going and feeling fresh. And you’re totally right that in the downtime between compelling releases pvp is where players go.

[@Vengefulserpent183]

I agree with you fully on this the pvp development has slowed down a bit but I still play it

[@ahawkone8850]

@@Vengefulserpent183 For sure. Like Vanguard, I'm a major fan of the game. I have never been the biggest pvp player, but when I do pvp it was almost always either with friends, or when I ran out of pve goals to chase. For me, that is unchanged and I still like it. But the reason I can do that is because other people play a lot of pvp, so there are always matches for me.

[@Vengefulserpent183]

@ahawkone8850 yeah it's fun and I am also having fun in gambit because of the young ahunkara buff

[@briansh242]

2 things resolved this issue for me: 1. I play a few shooters, not just D2. Division 2, Warframe, Helldivers 2, etc. I am less disappointed by the flaws of each game as I have other options. I’m not banging my head against the same wall every time I game. 2. Ignore and avoid the “communities” of all the games you play. There are very few truly positive things being discussed in these communities.

[@FrothyMeanV2]

This has been my mentality since witch queen. I play the things I like in the game and don’t do the things I don’t like. If there is a gun that is a meta weapon but I am not gonna enjoy playing the activity, I’ll just use the next best thing.

[@CerberusPlusOne]

I'm one of the people still deeply invested in the game. Good or bad, this is my main game, I've been playing it for nearly half of my life.

[@TheSwayzeTrain]

Your spot on with your take on what caused the player population to go down the toilet. PvP used to keep many players tied over during the doldrums between content drops. Bungie management have proven themselves completely incompetent time and time again.

[@agamerjourney9146]

A lot pve players love to think destiny 2 is only just pve only game. Don’t many didn’t realize once Bungie stop supporting pvp. That a lot of player base that enjoyed pvp left the game. Many won’t come back because of Bungie practices.

[@TheRealRockyCrab59]

I took a season off and im back absolutely in love with the game despite some of the issues

[@Xander--gd5lb]

Same! I do this every other year or so + a few small breaks every so often and it feels like and it makes my relationship with the game so much better. Taking a small one until after Christmas. :)

[@TheRealRockyCrab59]

@Xander--gd5lb it keeps the game fresh

[@lxsixtyfortyxl1583]

Yup I take multi week breaks every so often, longest break was 2ish years before beyond light and when I came back during lightfall I was in love all over again!! The final shape grind I hit super hard and now I’m coming back after a month break and I really enjoy when I play now albeit not as much investment/time wise

[@Radiant_Silverback]

Same. I came back and am really enjoying it, but my clan imploded while I was gone and the lack of crafting combined with the tonics bug is really draining my enthusiasm.

[@ArcturusAlpha]

same here. im looking for people with similar mindsets to keep laying with.

[@bajsamedvargar]

I think you got it right TV. PvP was half of the game and one of the things that made D2 special, to bring pve guns into the crucible and see what was good/fun. To me Bungie is no longer a AAA-studio, they are just a broken dev team that put makeup on a corpse.

[@xbotLife]

PVP was a small part of the game because this is mainly a PVE game and the numbers have always showed that. PVP has always sucked ass and I’m glad it is all but dead. There’s still hope for a destiny 3 but I doubt it since Sony can’t afford to do anything right now 😂

[@agamerjourney9146]

PvP has always been a core part of the game. Data shows that dropping PvP and treating the game like a PvE-only game results in poor DLC sales and many players not returning.

[@xbotLife]

@@agamerjourney9146 your data is wrong because the majority does not and never has cared about PVP and the poor DLC sales are because the game has sucked ass for years, sunsetting weapons, vaulting content and seasonal model burnout. The core part of the game has always been the PVE and without a destiny 3 in the pipeline, the Sony brass will kill this game within due time.

[@agamerjourney9146]

@ Unless been living under a rock final shape dlc been loved by player base. It’s gotten good enough reviews and players committing they enjoy final shape dlc. Problem is dlc sales are still down.

[@agamerjourney9146]

Do telling Sony hater and pvp hater. Wow

[@TalonRahl]

Just be like the bradster. Have fun. And don’t care about metas or anything and just play to play. Go watch his first raid with aztecross. Absolute cinema.

[@ShadowNemesis575]

Opening up about how mean another community was and still having a blast playing and making content on that game is pretty based. Regardless of how anyone feels about destiny or its content creators that have moved to variety content, you can't deny TV's positive attitude will always make him a worthwhile watch.

[@Ednoxious1]

Yeah I’m still on the Destiny train. I’ll never forget I bought the VERY last white PS4 when it dropped in my city. I had no clue it was a “Destiny bundle” purchase. I decided to play the game and fell in love with it. That was 10yrs ago. It definitely has its ups and downs but I’ll keep it around. Great video bruh! 🙏🏾

[@mrbaglog]

My teenager summed it up best when I tried to get him to come back for the Final Shape: “Dad, Destiny is a lifestyle. I don’t have time for that.”

[@titanjakob1056]

Destiny 2: sorry we’re removing all the paid for content from year 1 because we want to resell it to you as new content for $15 which gets removed again and because pretty lighting Warframe: our updates aren’t going anywhere

[@allrequiredfields]

I just came back last September after putting in 7.1k hrs up to 2020 - and man I am absolutely stoked about the game again after taking a break for a few years. I honestly thought I was never coming back but yeah, it's looking like I'm back. Lol

[@Cub__]

Same here Man

[@brlopez4]

i care very deeply about this game and invest a lot into it, i’ve just come to terms that doing that does nothing. i wish i could detach and care less, because i know it won’t be what we want

[@Sadcatblake]

As a old player who came back recently its sad too watch a genuinely good game be trashed on for every inconvenience, im not saying they don’t actually have issues sometimes, but d2 community seems to have no patience for the game having things done or fixed, while this game is struggling that doesn’t make the game trash, and half the time the community complain about things they caused, like how they complain when there guns are nerfed and yet they wont play unless theres a new event or new weapon to go for which cant happen unless theres a reason to go for it, if you played the game just cause its fun then they wouldn’t have to nerf everything for players to go for new stuff.

[@Destiny2Enjoyer]

Destiny is still my favorite game of all time and I don’t think anything is going to change that, but that being said I’ve had less interest in playing any video games in general recently. That and now being in college with more responsibilities, I don’t have the time to keep up with the light level grind and play more of the higher end content.

[@thenamesronni]

Same here, now that I’m in my first year of college

[@ColtNomad]

It's crazy how I found you from your SM2 videos and the moment I put it down to wait for more content, I try D2 and you post this video. Guess you have more content that appeals to me that I need to watch.

[@kalebdavis7080]

I still say the march update was bad for the state of PvP because it balanced 6v6 around 3v3 and PvP feels miserable if you're not a sweatlord right now.

[@curtwinter]

your 100% correct, this is why I stopped playing. Stop bitching, stop playing and move on. With the number of issues this game is having in the last couple months, it should make it easy for people to move on.

[@starbuckwilly1289]

To each their own.

[@Kait07_]

except this is a live-service. people paid for long-term content. this is not the same as a one time purchase.

[@starbuckwilly1289]

@ agreed. People just don’t get it.

[@naiveveg8447]

Look at how the call of duty base goes. Hell even I say move on that doesn't make it easy to.

[@SkyVoid]

Im taking my 10 year experience with this game and fullfilling my personal passion of helping others. I've gone flawless with randoms, sherpa'd raids, and overall, im happy with being the sleeper pick.

[@soooluscious5636]

Awwww! The puppy! I know you did it for the comments and it worked 🤣

[@TrueVanguard]

she's pretty awesome so i had to keep her in

[@friendlyneighborhoodclown7754]

Notice how every time Bungie does something that people ask for everyone complains when it happens. People want more long range maps, Bungie gives us Disjunction and Multiplex and peope complain. People don't like time gated story, Bungie gives us Revenant and people finish the story right away and complain. People don't like weapon crafting because it ruins the joy of getting god roles, Bungie makes the episode weapons not craftable and people complain.

[@kevanmorinphoto]

Myself and almost my entire raid core have stopped playing - with the exception of literally two guys. I built a clan and a Discord around Destiny 2 and I love the group of players I've managed to build up (albeit a small one), but I still have all the bots and active pings in various channels for Destiny news, Bungie Tweets et cetera - so we all have a laugh over all the bugs and issues that seem never ending. But we've all basically stopped caring because we stopped playing. We stopped complaining. But I would argue that that reality is almost worse. We complained because we truly cared about the game and wanted to see change. Now, we just don't care and we've all moved onto other games - which has been great for all of us. Anyway - cheers to you for the Space Marine 2 content btw, as a huge Heresy/40k lover, you did great with all of it. Don't mind the Chaos ridden heretics bashing you in comments.

[@timothylane3196]

THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO! I swear it's all I've seen lately no matter what the subject is.

[@-gg8342]

The Life Preserver analogy is spot on TV!

[@crucibleschool]

You know, I have been watching your content since Taken King and I have yet to catch you in the Crucible. It is quite unfortunate.

[@TrueVanguard]

im mad about it too

[@Lakrushma]

I check in for episodes and the odd pvp content when theres a weapon I want but tbh I just find myself checking out of video games in general these days. Started reading the dune series, I forgot how enjoyable reading was lol. Appreciate the video though, also the suppression from CO in that background footage was crazy. Wish you the best!

[@Christian-hk6rg]

I’ve mostly switched to PVE to grind out my titles and that’s what I’ll probably keep doing in the foreseeable future. PvP has been dead to me for months.

[@RH1812]

I popped back in to play iron banner. Have had a fun time using my old guns as I last paid for Final Shape. Good time was had.

[@o.d.6496]

The latest Destiny scandals, weightgate and tonicgate, have really drained the remaining incentive to play and grind this game. I didn't think they'd actually break the "looter" in a looter/shooter but they did. So now I just do 1 GM and close game. Get the IB armor and close game. A broken loot chase makes the additional bugs and glitches much more intolerable. Hence, the people will close the game and move on. Bungie can't blame anyone but themselves if the people don't return.

[@ArcturusAlpha]

lol tonicgate i think calling it that is such and over reaction on our part.

[@FoxEmblem01]

​@@ArcturusAlpha remember when engramgate happened when d2 launched? I do and I wouldn't put it past them to do this

[@ArcturusAlpha]

​@@FoxEmblem01 honestly no it was so long ago lol ill have to google it to remember. but the game had different issues that were worse for me at that time to be fair. item drops were not the reason i took a break from d2 in the beginning. while weight gate does suck if people understood how videos games work and how pseudo-random number generators work you wouldnt be that surprised. also considering how this is what destiny was like in the beginning with low drop rates to the point it was memed on. yes we should make sure bungie fixes their game for us but at this point everyone should move on from the looter part of this game. every long term looter shooter should look at destiny and realize that hunting for loot only satisfies the player base for so long. so you either sunset which apparently we didnt like or you make less generic loot and focus all efforts on things to do with said loot. aka making sure pvp and pve is solid even after the story is over.

[@kalebdavis7080]

​@ArcturusAlpha People aren't so much mad that it happened and more that Bungie told us we were dead wrong numerous times, until people in the community came at them with irrefutable evidence, because Bungie always thinks it knows best. Only then did Bungie capitulate and go "Whoopsie". Bungie has a long history of ignoring the community's woes until it looks like they can get good PR out of it and claim to be the hero coming to save the day. Or claiming a thing is for the benefit of the community, like them lying about Activision, or hiding/lying about XP throttling numerous times over many years.

[@isaacgirouard5924]

​@@kalebdavis7080 It's really the constant gaslighting that becomes the worst part

[@xthecre8or735]

D2 will be D2. I've learned to accept all the good, get over all the bad, and enjoy it because its 1/1.

[@chrisreynolds6585]

what you said in general is how I approach PvP specifically. I am a Warlock main (who does all PvE activity first on Warlock. But was not having any fun in PvP, I started using Hunter. Not the version I personally think is still broken (Prismatic - Storm's Edge, strand spector dodging, and swarm grenades). Even IB I went through the guilding w a Solar hunter build, with tripmines and weighted knife, and pulling Traveler's judgement sidearm from collections. Switching between exoctic gauntlets for variety (Ahamkara spines, and Athry's). I decided to ignore the meta and have fun, and in the end actually played better overall than I normally do (but the key point was had more fun in PvP in a long time. Will keep playing Solar Hunter in PvP until it stops being fun.

[@deffersounds2816]

Took time off to enjoy dragons dogma, remnant, b3, alan wake, hell even went back to Titanfall. Only pop on D2 to see whose still on and most of the time ill play a couple matches in crucible or log in and log off. Cant miss much from the game if u no longer miss the game 😅

[@Adomini24]

I will quote you at 5:00 of your video - "And to make things worse, Trials of Osiris has always been the activity that keeps people coming back." I say this is a bold statement and can be considered a lie. Trials of Osiris does NOT carry the player base, and never has. It has seen record low numbers almost every week for many months (outside of a few outliers of 200K players on certain weeks). C'mon Vanguard, at least stay honest. Trials only carried in D1, in D2 it has been nothing but a challenge for everyone, bungie included.

[@Altherot]

I miss simplier times of Forsaken sandbox where everything was just insane chaos, but it was casual fun with tangible power fantasy.. which is exactly what I want from a Destiny PVP instead of this insanely moderated and fine tuned sandbox for the sake of "balance"..

[@tdknate1313]

Bro, I still play both PVE and PVP everyday, 3-4 hrs a day, I only started playing 2 years ago, and it makes me sad to see the game struggle like this now that I like it so much.

[@Ginjer_Supreme]

I am still in love with destiny, but rarely get to play due to work.

[@RICKDOEZ1]

I’m sick of that guy from Forbes mag that always getting the community together just to complain then go back and play again. I love this game and will play it for a long time even with all the complaints.

[@randy2058]

I love your videos!! I would love to see a video with all of your Sidearms and their Rolls!!!

[@elementstacks]

I still play pvp almost every day. Simple game. Great fun.

[@ilredelnulla9837]

asking a baby base to not cry is like asking a real baby to not cry when he needs something

[@treyrandall2983]

Give us a Forge mode! Took Bungie 1k days for 3 maps... Give us Forge & we'll have 1k maps in 3 days... And I'll play another decade.

[@tinystar3010]

Then it's time for Bungie to stop intentionally underdeveloping content, and to stop pushing that self-destructive mantra on to other developers in public GDC's. We as consumers of a product we pay for, have the right to voice concerns when a product is bad. Destiny 2 is not a free game. Every DLC cost money. Every annual DLC is typically $100 for the people who are complaining because we buy the full year package with all the seasons, just to get a underdeveloped buggy season where half the community can't even progress the season because they get locked out of making tonics. Or how about all the bugs where things like tonics are meant to target a specific drop but they actually don't? No. It's time you stop defending Bungie. It's time you hold accountability as a content creator, and hold Bungie accountable too. If you were truly happy with the game with nothing to complain about, then you wouldn't have taken a many, many months break from the game. You didn't play through alot of the mess and bugs we did. You come back to Destiny finally and the videos were basically "did I miss anything good?" and "stop complaining".

[@naiveveg8447]

Actually good comment.

[@thevizbin4031]

It’s crazy how all Destiny KZbinrs will always be out of touch with the the community

[@TheManOfTheHourEveryHour]

Not thanking Pete Parsons as the sponsor is nasty work 😂

[@Iced_Tristan]

I think I’m mostly wrapped up for this current season. I’ve gotten all the Act 1/2 weapons I want. I’ll definitely be working on the solo flawless for the dungeon but when I’m not feeling up to that I’ll probably be playing BG3 or Zelda

[@TzHaarRealm]

I have played since day one D1. I have had to take several breaks and hiatus because the game got stale or wasn’t worth my time. I love this game above all others. But changing my mindset to play the game like a casual has opened be game back up to me. I miss being the guy who knew every little thing and had the best most optimized loadout. But that’s not feasible for me anymore with the cadence of gameplay and real life.

[@MuhammadAli-qk2fe]

Just like you I will always love Destiny and I still play it regularly, it is still my main game. These days however I feel like I have less and less desire to play. Before, I would come home from work and couldn't wait to jump in and try out a new build/gun, sometimes I would even skip dinner for more playing time. These days I have to force myself to jump in sometimes because it just isn't as fun as it used to be. As a PvP main, overpowered hunters, crazy uptime of special ammo, ability spam, bad matchmaking, SBMM, and poor sandbox choices have really made the PvP experience annoying and simply not fun. Games are supposed to be fun. The season of the splicer and the 30th-anniversary sandbox was the best for PvP in my opinion. I'd love to go back to those days.

[@ArcturusAlpha]

as a pvp main as well SBMM is what kept me around. the amount of bad matchups in trials was the worst for so long. constantly being matched where a 3 stack was against 3 randoms over and over was not ideal or fun. idk what your skill level is or what you think are bad sandbox changes but ill def die on the hill that SBMM was good for most of the pvp player base.

[@MuhammadAli-qk2fe]

@ArcturusAlpha personally I really hate trials. I play it every now and than and have gone flawless a couple of times but I mainly live in 6v6. SBMM in 6v6 quickplay is awful because it makes everyone play sweaty. I hate using the meta and prefer to use stuff that people wouldn't think about and you could do that before and still play well. Now you will be severely punished for not using the best of the best or the matches will just be extremely sweaty because no one is willing to take risks and people just team shoot and deathball.

[@ArcturusAlpha]

@@MuhammadAli-qk2fe ​ you must be at a higher skill level or whatever metric they use because my games on average have become less sweaty in control maps. but to be fair i dont try to play the meta which gives me less wins so i get the chill lobbies. should i win a lot though i do get some sweaty lobbies. the only time i have issues lately is when i take a break and dont know what the meta is and get demolished by weapons that were weak before OR i play on small maps that obviously should be 5v5 and not 6v6 or the worst one is when we have a really balanced game and everyone stays around for the next one only to have one team do a bit better that time for one of many reasons and bungie is like lets break up the team. i was playing two nights ago and this happened multiple times. we have a close intense game where it comes down to the wire and is close for the match maker to mix up teams in what i can only image is previous match performance instead of career performance on each map. there are some maps i do really good on and other i absolutely loath and play badly on. as for trials it has also been less sweaty once they fixed the matchmaking that always pitted randoms versus full teams. in general i just like 3v3 more because its less chaos and i can make plays and track what the other players are doing instead of just getting attacked from every angle. ive only been to the lighthouse once or twice but in general the SBMM has made the experience better for me playing on console. idk but it sounds like we should play together. im constantly using weird shit that doesnt get the win but is fun.

[@OtherL]

Is there no way to gain a total player cou t across all consoles?

[@jonathanlawrence5835]

I'm honestly impressed with how long you've managed to stay dedicated to Destiny. That's some serious stamina and endurance you've got! I took a year off after Lightfall and only came back for The Final Shape. Now I'm not playing again 😅

[@mercurysillus6298]

I watch a video from you every once in a while, that is the extent of my Destiny interaction. I watched the final shape story on KZbin, and then checked out. I am having a blast buying and playing all the PS3 and PS4 games I missed while Destiny was the only thing I played. I don’t hate Destiny, I have a ton of fond memories.

[@mcsnoopster]

Fantastic analogy on the life preserver reference. Really is a perfect summary of where we are with destiny pvp.

[@assassinierer47]

You are at the point I reached years ago. Last Expansion i bought was Shadowkeep. Free to play since then. I still play, i still watch the new content, but i don't care enough to put more money into it.

[@j8000]

90 % of pve balance complaints boil down to "this isn't as good as consecration spam, buff it!" when the obvious solution is to adjust consecration spam.

[@brankobirac]

content creators are overdoing it with complaining.. making like 3-5 videos complaining about the same issues in just a couple of days.. and saying basically the same.. I guess it draws attention and views. Complaining and critique is fair of course, I hate this game all the time lol but people don't have to milk it like a cow

[@supersoldier3700]

How do I feel about Destiny? Probably the same thing a lot of folks feel, a bit apathetic. Like you I’ll always be a fan and hop on to play from time to time, but my interests have been drawn elsewhere. As of now I haven’t really touched the game for about 6 months. Just last week I loaded it up, sat in orbit, and quit after 10 minutes chilling there. Game will always have a special place in my heart, and the real life friends I’ve made in that game have been great. I just don’t really care anymore though, I’ve been enjoying Space Marine aswell, Deep Rock Galactic, cod, and some single player story games. Btw I’ve very much enjoyed seeing you branch out and make videos on new games, I think I’ve seen every single of your SM2 videos, and I was happy to see one of my favorite creators cover a new game I enjoyed too. I’d like to see you try out and make some Deep Rock Galactic videos if you haven’t yet. I love that game. Rock and Stone.

[@Lunarvandross]

The titles of your videos are really good.

[@naiko8412]

Finished final shape and only play pvp occasionally but in terms of caring no destiny is done for me, my main reason is loot isn’t important anymore once you have a weapon that supports each element thats all you meed oh well

[@shaney130]

I'll never understand why Bungie siphoned funds away from D2 into various projects without reinvesting into it.

[@basedlibertyprime]

I’ll stop complaining when the game isn’t shit.

[@yepter807]

Hatred is a lot of emotion to spend on something you don’t like

[@StaySqueezy12]

If you think it’s shit, why play? So many good games to play.

[@quentinb734]

Hope your not still playing the game if you are take a long break

[@bannedmann4469]

@@yepter807You’re literally incorrect. In the internet age, it’s never been cheaper and easier. You didn’t think this through, you’re not bright.

[@Kait07_]

@@yepter807 99% don't value their time as much as they should so this has no actual application to real life

[@bobbcorr]

It’s time to stop complaining about people complaining, etc etc

[@jimmcmeen761]

Great take TV! I’m feeling very similar as you.

[@Ginyasha-]

What you said I about exactly where I am. Have fun with it when I can but it is what it is. I'll prolly play it until it goes offline but I'm just trying to enjoy what I can and put it down when I can't 😁

[@paintwhisperer]

Man to this day I still remember a lot of fun I had playing d1 and d2 but it’s been years since I’ve jumped on. Always have that spark that it’s becomes what we all thought it had the potential to be but that’s up to not us haha. On a side note Ryan are you gonna try PoE II?

[@manowar2943]

When I watch your PvP gameplay, I get the impression that I must be doing something wrong or unlucky🙆‍♀️😂 I see that you have a very good overview of the battlefield and you often finish off wounded opponents. I usually come across a group of 2 or 3, and I often die in such a situation 😐 Greetings 💪🍻

[@garethweaver4504]

I have a genuine question, if Destiny 2 PvP is dying (which it is not denying that... what are people playing in the FPS PvP space? I tried the latest CoD BO6 great game but became very samey very quickly. Destiny 2 PvP is frustrating right now because the player base is so low but I am struggling to find anything where the combat feels as good. Any suggestions from anyone would be welcomed ;-)

[@MyxeQ]

I have not played Iron Banner or more than a match or two in crucible for about 2-3 years. But I was indeed a player who only jumped into Iron Banner for the Stasis Side arm. I reset rank twice before I got an Air Trigger/Chil Clip roll. HOWEVER I have been have a great time (minus the bad connections) in the Crucible. I can't see myself playing crucible everyday after its gone, but if that freshness was able to improve the tempo of release Ide play more.

[@mynamesnotchom366]

I stopped playing destiny at the start of act 1 or echoes but cam back recently and all I do is play 2-5 games of pvp, no idea what the meta is, just using the guns I want. Didn't buy the season passes for the first time ever. And honestly I've enjoyed the game and couldn't care aboutnthe changes now when they happen because it's inconsequential to my casual experience

[@LoosenReckless]

Thank you for the title of this video. I subscribed to you just because of the title lol haven't watched a second yet lol

[@SpaghettiTop]

I love destiny but i just dont get a high from it any more. Just frustration and lack of care for anything in the game has pushed me to new games i havent tried

[@AdrianFishler]

100% still invested, very much looking forward to Heresy and Apollo 🤘🏻

[@MoHillRider]

Personally I’ve been a long time Destiny player and I hopped on Space Marine 2 as well, I was a huge fan of your content so ignore the salty heretics Brother

[@AnonymousPreposterous]

How do you play such high edpi and you don't miss shots.

[@um1hito109]

I still play D2, albeit I'm not raiding or doing dungeons as much because there are hardly enough players doing them in my timezone but I digress. I still enjoy PvP and PvE and have been playing gambit too, but I will admit that it's not something that is sustainable for a while. I've also explored other games that were more affordable and have been having a blast. I still have belief in D2, but just not a lot.

[@juxepe1845]

100% sums it up 👍 great vid

[@BrentChing]

I mainly play PVP so i struggle when the population is low. (not enough players that are worse than me lol!) I still have fun and will keep playing unless i find something new. Currently waiting to try Splitgate 2

[@kano4282]

I feel you TV. I care deeply, very deeply, for the Destiny we don't have anymore. Now it's just something to do, on an extremely rare occasion. I miss out on so much, missions, weapons, leveling. But I don't feel loss anymore, because I don't care anymore. I'm freed from FOMO. I love Destiny. I really do. And I always will. But I haven't liked it since Forsaken and vanilla D2. And D1 I absolutely love and still do. The story I think was best back then. So much of what people love now are entirely rooted in D1. 🥰

[@Kait07_]

Ignoring profit motivations, as a player I'd wish that Bungie would just stop trying to maximise engagement throughout the entire year and just provide 2 "mini expansion" content with no seasons. yes they have said they are adding "shadow-keep sized expansions" but they can just stop the seasons (since 60% of the time they suck anyway) and just provide quarterly patches since they clearly do not have the resources or ideas to keep up with the episodic model

[@pitmaster226]

About how I’ve felt for a long time. I took my break near the Crota and oryx raids, always felt that destiny is great for what it is and a lot of people (including bungie) want it to be something it’s not.

[@alaskayoung3413]

Left few months ago and it’s been amazing to break the umbilical chord. First descendant has been a good replacement. Devs listen and fix stuff instantly. Total opposite of d2.

[@OculusVivatus13]

It's just difficult to find a game with controls as good as my character as well as the cool abilities....it's where they get you. But alas as a collector....I have filled. Still hoping.

[@ayufever1978]

i hate destiny 2! it is my favorite game.

[@pencilswordfish]

Same for me. I'm tapped out on giving feedback or reacting. I Just want D2 pvp or a new dungeon to be there when I feel like playing it.

[@Olliewr84]

I want to get that rocket sidearm, but I want to not play Destiny more, if that makes sense… also, the thought of farming for a weapon roll right now actually puts it into perspective how much I have gone off Destiny. The game isn’t even bad, I just think it’s lifespan is coming to an end

[@geostratt3427]

The game is what it is and being a live service game it’s gonna go through many ups and downs. I enjoy it for what it is. I love my collection of goodies and have a lot of fun grinding for things and trying out new builds.

[@rope-a-dope]

100 percent TV Destiny for me is I let the content build up and play it then I go back to pursuing other interests. I became born again about 3 years ago and so yes destiny is not a priority any more. No games are really any more I have become a very hardcore casual when a game grabs me otherwise I have become an avid hiker and vacationer. Growing in my faith is now what destiny used to be for me. So I completely understand this.

[@raydan3638]

I see all the complaints and understand them, but I still LOVE Destiny 2 and even downloaded Destiny 1 to get an even better understanding of what people fell in love with “ back in the day”. I’ve been playing for almost 2 years now and it’s really the only game that holds my interest. I just hope they keep adding to it in a positive way and try to keep it fresh for both PVE and PvP. There really is no other game quite like it