It's Time to STOP the Overwatch Shill Accusations (kinda)

[@deacon6221]

GS videos are so refreshing. Fuck being nice about it, fuck sanitizing it for the sake of feelings the truth needs to be spoken and when you hear it as someone whose just a casual member of the community it’s so refreshing

[@ChimpRevolution]

Facts not everything needs a filter I love how he's actually real and saids it how it is

[@defaultdan7923]

i’m trying to think of a nice way to say this, but as you said yourself “the truth needs to be spoken” it’s literally just a game. there’s no need to get so upset to the point you’ll start attacking people’s character because they have a differing opinion. i genuinely believe that it just doesn’t matter that much.

[@RamitsuAcapucolae]

​@@defaultdan7923 Is this in defense of GS Raider or against him? Or are you referring to what Custa said about Sam?

[@deacon6221]

@@defaultdan7923 I mean I think it’s just a game as well and that’s why I believe we should take it less seriously and instead of trying to make a nice 300 page essay on why Custa is wrong we just tell him what he is; which is a bitchass meatrider who lies for money.

[@defaultdan7923]

@@RamitsuAcapucolae it's against both of them to be honest, i don't like how either of them handle discussions

[@itsbeeva]

“toe-tickling creators” has me crying ngl🤣😭

[@AzureRoxe]

GSRaider is 100% right with all he says, people like Freedo are kings of being pathetic Blizzard shills and NOT calling them that because their feelings get hurt or because some of you are friends is beyond stupid. It's PRECISELY because you guys are all friends that you SHOULD be calling their BS out, not actively defend people like Freedo and swear he's not a shill when the dude actively said Overwatch 2 launch's battle pass was THE BEST ONE IN GAMING and happily defended heroes being locked to the pass.

[@shooterDisease]

Apparently pointing out the huge clear flaws that 5v5 has is ‘invoking hatred’ It’s cool guys just another passive will fix OW2 I guarantee it

[@metal100k]

Why stop at one? Give every role two passives!

[@DRUKENHOBO]

@@metal100k GIVE EVERY INDIVIDUAL 5 PASSIVES, FUCK IT GIVE EVERYONE DEV COMANDS.

[@Synical02]

The only Flaw in 5V5 is how the tank feels, and typical stuff that would also happen in 6V6. Ironically Tanks gets overwhelmed or is an overwhelming force like how they kinda SHOULD be.

[@metal100k]

@narcoticlilac6588 highly disagree. It's not just about the feelings of the tank. It also limits the creative potential of the tank role. Tanks HAVE to have the ability to block or heal a significant amount of damage and deal a significant amount of damage just to stay alive. The nature of 5v5 also makes dive tanks much less viable because they require team synergy and having a dive tank will, by definition, leave the team alone to defend themselves. It is all or nothing in 5v5 where as in 6v6 you could send one tank and not the other if the situation needed it. Also don't forget that the feelings of the player base is what drives the retention of each role so having tank feel miserable means that queue times will be skewed. 5v5 also forces every role to be more independent which leads to the team deathmatch feeling a lot of games have. There are FAR more dps supports now than there ever were in 6v6.

[@AzureRoxe]

@@Synical02 You have zero clue how tanks should be if that's what you believe.

[@Fixer48]

Gs raider is a pretty good content creator he has no filter and spits facts

[@bootyshorts]

agreed

[@zefem]

Ong

[@TSGC16]

true but he's also overly critical and nitpicky. He doesnt make his points in good faith

[@absolute-xero7502]

He's pretty funny

[@RIP_ZYZZ1738]

@@TSGC16I could never put my finger on it but this describes it perfectly. It’s not like he’s completely wrong but it feels like there’s no benefit of the doubt

[@ItachiUchiha-dh3jh]

I'm gonna be honest Sam... if Freedo is not a shill, then fish don't need water to breathe.

[@obamna225]

Freedo doesn't act like a shill at all lol, he argues with sam over 5v5 vs 6v6 for hours in dms. You just think a shill/grifter is someone who disagrees with you its so cringe.

[@ChimpRevolution]

​@obamna225 bro anytime someone is critical of blizzard he jumps on his knees to defend them. Their was one video response he made not even a day after another creator. You honestly expect me to believe he likes counterpicking??? Or does he just say that to help defend blizzard

[@Darkness-hy4um]

@@obamna225dude this is the same guy that defended heroes being locked behind a fucking battle pass

[@StoicScape219]

⁠@@obamna225He’s a shill dude. He puts positive outlooks on bad updates and defends Blizzard on everything. He even said he likes and supports counter pick meta. And locking heroes in battle pass. Ninja please

[@hobonolen]

@@Darkness-hy4umtbh a lot of other games do it and nobody questions those games. Apex siege valorant

[@xRichieeex]

Both Freedo and Bogur insulted people for wanting 6v6 back . So, a lot of people have turned on Freedo. It’s one thing to just disagree, But don’t insult people for wanting something back . As for Flats he’s been pretty fair in this whole thing so I don’t think he deserved to be mentioned .

[@hiimnifty3625]

"We are so back"

[@JumpsOw]

Agreed Flats is really trying to balance it out and that's why I still respect the guy, he's one of the few nda streamers that don't just gawk gawk blizzard 24/7.

[@Ajoi14]

Bogur is one of the most toxic creators I've seen honestly

[@LUCKIPUP]

@@Ajoi14i fw bogur but sometimes he gets too high in his britches for shit he complains about himself, he complains about playing tank, but if a chatter does the same he generally shits on them despite them holding the same opinion for likely the same sort of reasons, the gap in skill doesn’t matter when pointing out out obvious ways in which the game is just more dogshit compared to overwatch 1

[@LUCKIPUP]

especially when the problems (healing being way too strong) are still an issue, fighting a tank let alone hog without the dps passive is pointless because they just heal through anything as long as the dps passive isnt procced

[@JumpsOw]

Gs raider is sadly right, I haven't seen this video yet, but, I guess Sam is gonna be a bit more respectful than raider, but, still agree with him in some level.

[@bismuth7730]

Both can be true lol

[@hiddensweatshirt4836]

Not really, he seemed to disprove many of his points, and I have to agree with Sam. Very weak arguments on the FEW people he did mention, completely wrong the rest of the time.

[@seanliu1813]

When Sam doesn’t reply, he’s agreeing. He didn’t defend question or custa, that’s him agreeing with gs. Ysk, this guy has to walk on eggshells while reacting.

[@JumpsOw]

@@hiddensweatshirt4836 I'll be honest it kinda felt like he was trying to avoid saying anything about his friends, which there is nothing wrong with it I wouldn't like to shit talk my friends either, but, saying that Freedo ain't a shill is kinda stretching it.

[@TheRealKush420]

@@JumpsOwno fr

[@Hailmanzz]

My boi GS Raider

[@SirStrikeFreedom]

GS Raider is honestly a breath of fresh air in this community. Most content creators do thier best to avoid trouble with Blizzard and not point out issues with the game. GS says screw that and tells it like it is. Man is him

[@S3nCh4n]

I was at bogur's stream when he was talking about 5v5 and 6v6 in chat, he said that there are more active players right now in ow2 because the format changes are what people enjoy playing more, and I said that it was because it went free to play and there's content updates and he disagreed... like what kinda gaslighting is that

[@bingchillins]

You are absolutely correct ,imagine paying to play this trash format

[@AzureRoxe]

Overwatch content creators are masters of gaslighting, they learned by getting gaslit by Blizzard every day after all.

[@bingchillins]

Crazy how they cant even look at things objectively anymore, blizzard really grew their ego turned them into such frauds

[@JumpsOw]

It's funny because all the pros that are not working with blizzard anymore prefer 6v6, if you ask in game most people will say 6v6, in polls on every social media most of the time 6v6 wins, I mean most people still play the game, but, it's mostly because of the characters and the art of the game not because they love 5v5.

[@therealzahyra]

Disagreeing is not the same as gaslighting just fyi

[@Cyrax559]

raider is so underrated in the overwatch content scene

[@harmansingh95100]

Honestly. I'm glad things are turning out well for people who call out overwatch on its bullshit.

[@kotablaize255]

not for long..

[@bambampewpew32]

​@@kotablaize255 ? Oh you mean cause he's getting more noticed now lol yeah true

[@Kurell171]

Nah, his other content is completely worthless

[@Digger-Nick]

The dude who said "so much content is coming you guys have no idea" was straight up embarrassing.

[@laughingnotlooking]

Raider calling out custa for disrespecting Sam, was something I didn't know I needed. Sam is too much of a kind-hearted person. It's sad to see these shills are looking at our guy as the enemy. Glad someone is willing to stoop down to their level, and fight the battle on Sam's behalf. The Samito army is strong, we will not allow you to harm our commander!

[@JoshBlanket]

'Samito kind hearted' Isn't this the guy who told one of his viewers to kill themselves 💀

[@laughingnotlooking]

@@JoshBlanket Careful, your surrounded in here. Choose your words wisely.

[@oni8526]

bro your right but my god your corny

[@dreamingleviathan3354]

I wouldn't say Flats is neutral so much as... disconnected. He fills in this weird space where he never really says anything controversial to draw attention but at the same time never really pushes on his own momentum. he seems mostly happy just making decent points without bashing anyone... I get so much of the hate and anger for this game, but I do think Flats would be much happier in a better thriving community. Honestly I think everyone would be better if we all just collectively moved to a different and healthier game.

[@heiko2255]

Flats admits openly Tank is shit and has been shit to him since like Season 2 Then again he asks for "other solutions" besides 6v6, because he probably doesnt want to get on Blizzards bad side for admitting it would fix a lot Hes even indicating that 6v6 would be better, a few days ago he said "I dont know, if the new Tank Changes dont help, maybe 5v5 isnt the way to go" You cant tell me, someone who plays the most miserable role daily and admits he doesnt have fun, doesnt have a clear stance on 5v5/6v6 I get why he is keeping his opinion to himself, but as a big creator, being more open can actually help, a lot of people already advocating for 6v6 and if flats would do it too, it could spice up the discussion and not make people just say "It wont return" which is dumb af anyways.

[@dreamingleviathan3354]

@@heiko2255 *sips tea* I recognize someone who just needs to let out their feelings when I see it. I dont think its such a bad idea to take a "I'm not going to bet on the multi billion dollar corporation" when it comes to reverting back to 6v6. Yes it would be nice to have that option again, but this is also a company that *ultimately doesn't care about this game the way we do*. You and a million other people could say it until we all pass out from oxygen deprivation, doesn't mean Blizzard's gonna care unless they have incentive. Its why the balancing in this game is SHIT and always has been. They're more interested in funding their "esports uwu dream game" than having it functional or playable.

[@123Suffering456]

I think the problem with Flats is that he's very conscious about the fact that streaming OW is paying his bills. So he's trying to keep both Blizzard and the viewers happy by being as neutral as possible and not stepping on toes. A few seasons ago, I think it was during season 5, he's said he was miserable playing the game and seriously considering quitting if season 6 isn't going to make the game more fun again. He's tried to branch into variety streaming since from what I know (don't watch his stream, just YT). Since he's still playing OW now and as tank as well and is voicing frustrations regularly enough, I get the idea he's just sticking around and being this neutral to ensure it'll continue paying the bills. Can't really blame him for that, I guess.

[@soulsurvivor8293]

​@@heiko2255 Buddy, I am Tank main. Have been since OW1. 6v6 is a pipedream at this point. It was the better format for sure, but it's honestly not likely to return given that there were never enough Tank players even back then. Maybe there were at some ranks of play, but it was definitely not universal across all or even most of the ranks. Given there are even less of us Tanks now, it would be worse than back then. Most newer players avoid or rarely play Tank, heck most players backbthen did the same. So it's not like any of them, old or new, would suddenly decide to start maining Tank if they brought back 6v6. Realistically, that's why most of us are more interested in potential changes that can resolve the issue's in 5v5. Heck, upping it to 7v7 with a a revision of the old Defence Damage Role category to a Specialist or Controller Role category would help redistribute the overly bloated Damage Hero Selection, Further Diversify Roles and funnel more Damage and Support Players into matches without having to attempt to raise the Tank player population. Or we can keep the base Specialist Roles we already have (Tank, Damage and Support) and redistribute some Heroes into two additional Generalist Role player slots. Limit it to one additional currenttly Specialised Role Hero per Generalist Slot, so one additional Tank but doesn't get the additional Health from Queing as Tank, one additional Damage Hero with 10% Heal Reduction passive &/or one Additional Support that has a half as effective Support passive or something. Basically, giving Flex Queued players twice the opportunity to enter a game. Either as a dedicated Role or as a flexible Generalist Role that's not as good as the dedicated Role, but has more Heroes to pick from. If a dedicated Role player drops, the Flex Role player can Opt to become the new Dedicated Role player (something like hitting Tab plus Right Click to Accept or Left Click to Decline), but also have an option to auto reject or auto accept such prompts as well. In Ranked, Auto Accept should probably be the default. Their opposition Generalists get auto nerfed by 50% or 75% (Dpending on your current quantity of Generalist Role players being 1 or none) across the board until replacment Flex players are found. Just to help balance things out a bit. If a third player drops (as in one of the Base 5 in addition to the Generalist Roles being vacant), the Ranked match wipes just like it currently does. We could roll a Tank and Off-Tank with additional Damage or Support. Or triple up on Dmage and Support with a single Tank. It would encourage playersbto Queue for Flex, meaning the potential Tank player pool would also go up. If it is sucessful at increasing the Tank player pool, 8v8 with a dedicated Main Tank and Off-Tank might become possible. With the remaining all three being able to pick from all Roles, but the limitation of one additional Hero selection per Role would be lifted for Damage and Support. Allowing Two additional Damage or Support. So one additional Tank plus any two of Damage &/or Support. If that goes well, revert to 6v6. All Roles are equalised like back in OW1, three of the six are Non-Flex/Generalist players tlimited to one of each Role. Dedicated Role players have first Preference/Choice of their Hero. Flex/Generalist Players pick from whats available after the Dedicated Role players pick. Availability may get reduced if another Flex or Dedicated Role player has Queued for the Role or Selected their Hero as a Flex Queue Generalist. The limitation for Flex/Generalist Players is only one additional Hero per Role, if all player were Queued as their Chosen Role; Only then will 6v6 truely be back.

[@verguco6051]

he is a shiller, just want to pretend he isnt

[@sith6375]

"Samito is the Ben Shapiro of overwatch" is a wild statement bro

[@JonnyZerep]

Really put Custa into perspective for me. What a shame.

[@nova-in9oh]

like how are you going to compare a video game streamer to a transphobe....

[@HasturBeta]

the irony of the creators summit pic having 6 people.... JUST SAYIN

[@lavellelee5734]

😂😂😂 foreshadowing maybe

[@HasturBeta]

​@@lavellelee5734 Naw mang, I'm not bout to slip down that slope into madness. It always starts with thinking something like that. Then before you know it we're wheeling out the conspiracy whiteboard to everyone we know every chance we get like a Titanfall 3 true believer.

[@themegaladon18]

Nah, samito, YourOverwatch definitly makes blizzard out to be amazing. I cant get a min into his videos without closing them now.

[@hexia6760]

Yeah.. I think it's common knowledge by now that Freedo probably is the biggest licker out of all the content creators.

[@legendlegamer]

i just think he doesn’t want to call freedo a shill because they’re friends

[@ozylocz4078]

“Your overwatch” has been a terrible channel with dog shlt players thinking their opinion matter, how they ever got more than 5 subs is beyond me. I can’t imagine the players the watch them…

[@hexia6760]

​@@legendlegamerwhich is fine tbh. Content creators have their personal lives aswell.

[@tyrantla7120]

Freedo is one of the worst offenders.

[@JonezBBQ]

I remember playing against GS Raider back in 2018 when I was on console. Used to think he was a dickhead, but now I respect him for his honesty

[@iamspid3717]

He can be both.

[@rileyp3707]

Lack of self control = honesty

[@pasteldreams5413]

let's be honest he is absolutely a dickhead

[@RamitsuAcapucolae]

​@@rileyp3707 Honesty = Honesty, because your idea of self control is being a cum rag for Blizzard apparently. It's his style of content aswell, he literally says that like 3 times...

[@mo_riz]

@@rileyp3707 honesty = honesty riley = bitchmade

[@swagfiltr894]

GS raider is honestly right there with Sam as my fav content creators by far

[@Adventist1997]

I still appreciate Emong, Esky, and Flats. Watching them and stuff is still enjoyable

[@rileyp3707]

Yeah rage baiting is great

[@JulianneStingray]

@@Adventist1997 my only problem with Eskay was her 5v5 take was terrible

[@Koriiii]

@@JulianneStingray Eskay has a lot of terrible takes. She usually has a bad take, then months/years later her opinion is completely different. CCs like Samito and GSR have been right about their takes for years.

[@vergilsgamingchair8772]

I enjoy Sam because he has some really good gameplay advices, a good view on the state of the game, and a nice hairline. And I also enjoy GS because funny man toxic :D

[@josuecervantes1757]

That Ben Shapiro comment gets me every time. Dude is actually an npc. Threw all the buzzwords out there over a different opinion than his. Samito just wants a good game like the rest of us.

[@OmegaStars01]

If Samito is considered the Ben Shapiro of OW, wouldn’t he be the Alex Jones of Overwatch then?

[@akkomochingas4662]

@@OmegaStars01Chipsa

[@gspeedy619]

​@@akkomochingas4662Alex Jones is British?!

[@MrFlan1723]

Tbh, seeing Sam and Raider is like seeing a younger brother and an older brother who shears the same viewpoints. It's just that one is more respectful and knows what to say, but also knows what goes one in the background, so his opinions are a bit different. On the other hand, one is more out there a bit disrespectful but isn't entirely wrong, except on a few things, but you can't really blame him since he can only see things from an outside perspective

[@trenhen4311]

The ad hominems just leave a bad taste. Plus throwing out accusations without taking the time to find evidence. Of which there may be but it’s not gonna change anything. They’re just gonna label him as a malicious asshole and then generalize the 6v6 community which will only hurt the chances of fixing the game. Sam is like mlk where raider is Malcom x. Kinda a shitty comparison but I think you’ll get the metaphor. At the end of the day it is a game but corporate bootlickers probably do deserve to be shit on. On the basis of their actions and morality tho not their appearance

[@qttOW]

@@trenhen4311true but bro just called Samito MLK 😭

[@trenhen4311]

@@qttOW “I have a dream” -samito at his 6v6 rally’s

[@Thawheedi]

@@trenhen4311forget Malcolm x and MLK. Samito is Dr X and Raider is Magneto

[@psyonicvertebrae1717]

Samito is Suzaku fighting in daylight and trying to keep a "family friendly" image in order to keep certain communication lines open, whereas GS raider is Lelouch fighting in the shadows saying what needs to be said.

[@Plaguedoc47]

Samito blink twice if blizzard is holding you hostage

[@JumpsOw]

Nah he's just trying to be respectful to his friends which is understandable, I wouldn't like to shit talk my friends either.

[@jaded-harper]

@@JumpsOw I think REAL friends call out of their friends when they are up to bullshit lol. maybe thats just me tho idk

[@fullnelson4986]

​@@jaded-harper2 months late but THIS. I really wish sam would call out his fake ass "friends" out on their bullshit. Like just recently on the group up where flats and the devs was on it was a huge nothing burger, trash questions where asked and sam goes on Twitter saying how much of an amazing episode it was...

[@OniLifes]

I love how this videos like watching someone who just wants to be respectful and someone with pure hater energy who also has the same points. And I love it, raw hater energy goes crazy

[@mahks-pectith3179]

raw hater energy is necessary when against a whole ass company and their cc defenders

[@okbruhlol]

​@@mahks-pectith3179true af

[@AzureRoxe]

The difference is that the respectful guy is being "respectful" by very blatantly ignoring the truth just to not call out his friend group. The fact that Samito looks at Freedo and SWEARS he's not a massive shill says everything.

[@RamitsuAcapucolae]

@@AzureRoxe Honestly true, I agree with most of Samito's talking points, but there are a few things that I can clearly see him act differently about. GS Raider himself says it in the video, he just has too many ties within the community to always speak up, and maintain those ties. That's why Raider's videos are almost always the hard truth, with no sugar coating, and dunked in unfiltered toxicity, I love it.

[@Montesama314]

Okay, comparing anyone to Ben Shapiro is just unhinged.

[@willywonka00]

FREEDO KING OF SHILLS GOD TIER LEVEL SHILL

[@Aldhardt]

Hey remember when Blizzard had dignity and Overwatch wasn't a microtransaction simulator with a shitty broken game attached? I uninstalled the game and haven't looked back.

[@darkcat6530]

didn't overwatch have lootboxes since the beginning

[@takodarogers1795]

Why's it still in your algorithm then no one cares that you un-installed you ain't gotta tell people on every single video while also watching and engaging enough to keep it in your algorithm lol

[@yomismo2689]

Yeah bro, sure a game woth more balance updates frequently, more heroes frequently, more maps and modes than OW1 with SKINS (no gameplay things) on a shop is a microtransaction simulator... I mean you can say that maybe OW2 balance it's not your favorite, but they are doing more content with more frequency than OW1 in all his 6 years man, while only monetizating cosmetics.

[@itachi93674]

9:26 come on man don’t be dishonest the game was dying because blizzard abandoned it for years for “OW2” When that same game the PVE ended up being cancelled so wtf were they working on for all those years OW1 was abandoned. These streamers hyped the shit out of OW2 you telling me they had no idea it would end up like this

[@soulsurvivor8293]

So, you're suggesting that Samito also knew more and it would end up like this? He freely admits he was wrong to believe in the vague hope the meeting brought and not think more critically about what wasn't said during the meeting. But by your assertion, that means Samito is lying and they were all told more than the bare minimum to bring a sense of hopefulness for the future of the game. So, in essence, you are saying Samito is lying. Was it to cover his own mistakes....which he basically only admitted to in part....which would kill all his credibility if it was the case, so for what purpose would he risk that? NDA's have both a time limitation and disclosure allowance clause for when said information is already disclosed or the release date (Full Disclosure) has occured. If disclosed information is publicly cancelled (like PvE for example), the NDA is generally rendered Null or at least partially Void. Allowing for broad disclosure of the information relevant to the publicly cancelled aspect. Even under extrmely tight & bindng NDA's there are avenues of discussion around the subject of the NDA. So, I fail to see why Samito would be lying in this instance. Conversely, GSRaider has never been to one of these meetings. Much less have any idea what was or wasn't discussed at that particular meeting. I frankly doubt GSRaider has seen, let alone actually understands, an NDA. Even if my intuition on both of those is wrong, he obviously hasn't seen the specific NDA Samito and the other's signed for that particular meeting. Judging from his take on the Tweets about the Mavel NDA terms, it's clear he's not familiar with Blizzard's NDA's like Samito is. For Samito to be saying there's much more nuance to the 2021-2022 Creator Meeting and Blizzard's NDA's, that gives credence to the assumption for it to allow for what is likely Fair & Balanced Criticism/Feedback/Review's by comparison to the Marvel NDA terms. Samito offering his perspective and understanding is more trustworthy in regards to the creators GSRaider specifically calls out. Samito only really says it's not for him to say when GSRaider brings up specific instances of beef between GSRaider & any given content creator mentioned. So, he's not even defending these creators 100% of the time. Only when Samito has a more detailed account of any particular instance GSRaider brings up does Samito say something one way or another. So, again. I am inclined to believe Samito as he's not being hyperbolic while speaking from a perspective of experiencing both sides of the Blizzard NDA fence. Unless you have anything substantial to add, then I would say that you've based your entire point on emotions and semantics.

[@RamitsuAcapucolae]

​​@@soulsurvivor8293 I agree with you, it's not my belief that Samito was lying, and I appreciate that he takes accountability in admitting to his mistakes, and doesn't work with Blizzard anymore for that reason. The blame here lies with Blizzard not telling the truth to its creators. However in the end, GS Raider called out this stuff early, and he was right. The only one I've seen take accountability for that is Samito, It's just sad to see other creators affiliate themselves even deeper with Blizz after all of this has happened. When is enough going to be enough right?

[@yomismo2689]

PvE was in development for so years but it entered in development hell. From what we know, Kotick offered Kaplan to create 2 dev teams, one for OW1 Multiplayer and other one for PvE but he denied. Ex Devs have commented that Kaplan visions of PvE went to nowhere, it wasn't fun and it ended on restarting all the development ton of times. Indeed, OW2 wasn't going to have multiplayer, in Kaplan head OW1 (PvP) ended with echo and OW2 was going to be only a PvE game, which would be just another step to achieve his dreamed MMO which would have been OW3 a.k.a Project Titan. But after he abandoned the company, Keller decided to take back the multiplayer after seeing the PvE situation and the chaos it was. From what we know, OW2 multiplayer only had 1 year of development and big part of it was only porting everything they had to the new engine. I mean, we can say ton of things about the game right now, but tbh, Kaplan just created a chaotic situation on Team 4 with all the PvE thing and after that, he abandoned the company.

[@thelostradiant3953]

GS absolutely cooked, I seriously can't stand OW creators any more, everyone makes my eyes roll, I fucking hate the state of OW 2 and 5v5 is trash and the tank roll is trash, and I hate hearing 5v5 defenders.

[@cheeseblast]

Freedo did stand up to Blizzard then somehow OW2 comes around and hes on his fucking knees brother.

[@ziggy2metalx720]

Crazy how spot on GS raider has been the last few years 100 percent. Even his ow2 videos a year ago aged like fine wine now Been right about not believing the fake nda hype and the shills Supports mains saying their role is unimpactful at launch and calling out stylosa for saying supports need all three passives Aim assist controversy between pc and console lobbies I am glad raider sticks up for the console community because he cares for this game in his weird way of showing it.

[@blacktuxwidow4318]

arrge literally shitalks daily now because of the removal of the hanzo 1 shot.

[@RamitsuAcapucolae]

Damn, when it inconveniences him ofc....

[@loohoo2210]

​​​@@RamitsuAcapucolaeok then apparently Arrge doesn't hate on the game enough despite in the video GS says he couldn't find any proof of him shilling besides one tweet of him saying he doesn't like GS's type of content lmao. Arrge isn't a shill and GS should have left him out fr it really brings down the rest of his arguments if he's including big creators over petty bullshit.

[@christsolos]

freedo the king of shills, sam on NDA 💀

[@metal100k]

I think the main flats point is that you cant be neutral as the biggest creator forever on a lot of issues. You got to pick a side, be vocal about it, and put the arguments to bed. Continual fence sitting is just average political jargon that peoplenare tired of seeing in areas of life that arent genuinely political in nature. Have a point of view you believe in and stick to it unless you are challenged in a that way that changes your thought.

[@DJFlare84]

I like your more level-headed takes on these things, but I also like Raider's full-blast no-holds-barred takes a lot. I don't think it's time to stop the shill accusations at all, but I also don't think it's time for you to just let them happen either. What we have going on right here is exactly how it should be. There SHOULD be people like GS Raider who speak out for the people and who speak on how it is the OW creators are being perceived. Make no mistake, Raider isn't the only one who feels the way he does. It's perfectly evident in his viewer count. It's no exaggeration to say he is basically a bullhorn for how a lot of players are feeling about Blizzard, Overwatch, and especially Overwatch creators right now. That's a voice that needs to be heard. And so is yours, which is why I'm incredibly and pleasantly surprised to see you react to one of his videos and try to make as level-headed and unbiased a commentary about it as you possibly can. These are the conversations that need to happen and they don't happen if one side shuts up.

[@pepekovallin]

True, Raider is embodying the voice of the people that are being silenced by the current community, people unsatisfied and fucking pissed about the current state of the game, he may be wrong about all of these creators but that doesn't change the fact that that's how a lot of people perceive them, and can you blame them? Can you blame people for thinking freedom is blizzard bestest boy for his takes? I'm willing to believe in Sam when he says freedo confronted blizzard in the past, but the past is the past and doesn't seem to be doing the same now when he says things like "I think people love counter picking" when that's exactly the thing people have been complaining THE MOST about the game

[@pkakaTC2]

Your OW is the modded boss fight of blizzard glazers

[@hexx4792]

custa: analyst, ex pro player, caster and still having 0 clue about the game 😂

[@Dwarfstin]

nah he knows what he's doing, he just likes his blizzard ticket to making content so he never has to actually go get a job in life

[@rileyp3707]

@@Dwarfstinsamito is a streamer so he has no real job?

[@TattoodPriebe]

@@rileyp3707 Samito streams damn near every day for several hours and has new videos almost daily amongst other things. Custa next to never streams, rarely puts out content, etc. Custa is the definition of riding someone's cock. Custa can put in next to no work or effort on content, doesn't have to stream and even when he does his viewership is extremely low and doesn't care because he's getting the paycheck from Blizzard. If Blizzard cuts him off he would actually have to work even if its streaming he would have to do it daily for 8hrs like a real job.

[@kenerb654]

@@rileyp3707isn’t he the whole owner of Mineplex ? stupid watch the video, he said he works every damn night on it and doesn’t even have time to edit his own videos anymore. At least talk shit with facts first

[@harmansingh95100]

​@@rileyp3707samito works on mineplex on the side

[@StoicScape219]

GS Raider shaking shit up with that banger. He really said Fats 🤣 No filter

[@ferrisow]

im pretty sure he slipped up ion think he meant to say it

[@StoicScape219]

@@ferrisow I’ve watched him for quite a while and I’m very sure it’s intentional. Especially since it’s a video you can edit. And he left it in there. He also cooked multiple people in this video and I certainly don’t hold it passed him 😂

[@ferrisow]

@@StoicScape219 im tryna give him the benefit of the doubt but i see your point

[@StoicScape219]

@@ferrisow Look at how he said it too. There was no pause or hesitation in the “correction” he made lol. He said it in one smooth sentence, no interruption. Pretty sure it was part of the script

[@mobpego1345]

Uncalled for tbh

[@whatyousee-f7j]

im glad Radier said it lol. The streamers are unironically one of the biggest reasons why this game will never change. That's why Samito and Raider are the only creators for this game I watch.

[@WhydTheyChangeOurNames]

5v5 defenders are just drinking the Kool-aid at this point. We have not had ONE good and sustainable meta in the 5v5 format. We have not had a single season where Tank players are not complaining about the burden of their role. The issue with 6v6 wasn't the burst heals, it was tanks never fucking dying and now in 5v5, guess what? Every change to buff tanks is to make them more unkillable so that way they can fill the role of 2 people and do everything. JUST MAKE IT 2 PEOPLE'S JOBS AGAIN! The big bad double shield meta is dead after the Orisa rework and if you think Sigma-Ramm is gonna take it's place you're brain is smooth as hell lil bro. Having 2 tanks benefits EVERYONE. Tank doesn't have to do everything anymore and the other roles now have a tank that's not constantly forced to hold the Frontline and thus can peel for the other roles. You know how Paladins makes 5v5 work? Because there is no role lock and they have mechanics in place that prevent nova healing just sustaining you through anything. The most common high rank comp they have is 2 tanks, 2 DPS, and 1 Support. 1 Tank handles the Frontline and takes space while the other hovers near the support to keep them safe until their is an opening for them to collapse on a target. Is it perfect? No. Is it a better system than Overwatch has? 1,000%. Then you have Marvel Rivals demonstrating the value of 6v6 on top of this just shining a glaring microscope on Overwatch that "this isn't working"

[@RandyCastillo-fd1kj]

"I never wanna write someone off unless they play widow"😂

[@AlcoholicAlbert]

You can tell Samito held through a filter, can’t trust anyone

[@mangodxwns]

Yea nah Sam was legit getting uncomfortable for some reason… I can tell he doesnt want drama BUT he calls everyone a shill until names are being said then he backtracks

[@P-39_Airacobra]

Authenticity is a great quality to have. Don't ever give up on it. People can criticize your takes, but if they criticize your authenticity, they're not worth listening to.

[@dantheman1998]

my comment made it into a GS raider vid!!! We did it! lets gooooo

[@fearbreazy5558]

Somehow everything they’ve done to overwatch has finally got me to not enjoy playing anymore and I used to love playing overwatch now I can’t even get through 3 games without feeling miserable

[@takodarogers1795]

Skill issue maybe?

[@GreenMonkeyFTW]

Delete it man there's way more fun games. I couldn't play anything else when I had Overwatch installed lol

[@Tables4040]

Regarding the big streamers: It’s a combination of not biting the hand that feeds them and also playing the game is how they make their money. When most of these creators stream “variety” games they have a lot less viewers. So they need this game to be successful but it is garbage

[@carterlindstrom4831]

Gotta give it to Sam. Kept it honest, but respectful. Pretty hard to be critical without losing your integrity.

[@mikelcito8898]

There's a whole ah deabate over a supposed "dead game" where everyone is crying about something and I'm here for it. Also as football fan its like watching PSG in the Champions, you just know they're losing at some point

[@erick__97]

“Hey Custa they’re not slow” love the Kendrick lmfao !! 💀💀😂

[@Reesespcz541]

The kissing-ass mentality is why I stopped watching Flats and everyone he associates with. I find him and his in-game community (with the exception of eskay) to be disingenuous and pandering for the dollars they get from an absolutely f’d company. To go deeper, blizzard hasn’t been blizzard since they merged with acti, and done nothing but farm them $ themselves for the past 10-15 years with 0 accountability, 0 remorse, and 0 game-oriented/player-oriented business philosophy. They’re for the money and they’re willing to kill every game they touch (ow2, d4, WoW, etc.) to get it.

[@ItsSageCertified]

nah fuck eskay too tbh shes the worst of em

[@Chazza-01]

The thing is, flats is a strange case. He isn't a "shill" however I have lost count of the amount of "we are so back" moments it gets very tiring. He did it again this season "we are so back" but then it became "well, tank is better I guess but the same problem that makes it bad are still there". He is in the middle, a discussion is what he wants. The fact is the 5v5ers and 6v6ers don't discuss, they just shut each other down. I will say the 6v6ers bring valid points when a discussion is had and 5v5ers usually just point to "oh double shield" or "oh queue times" , which both were very fixable and stem from: Sustain abilities and AOE healing so Orisa, Sigma, Bap, Brig. And the tank roster on a whole not as fun as other roles and the meta being a boring one for people who didn't play the meta tanks (Orisa and Sigma, oh same names brought up again). Oh, and we can't forget it being left in the dust for 2 years which just invalidates any attempt to compare OW1 & OW2 because if we had 2 years of Mauga meta (which could be comparable) I can guarantee everyone and their dog is crying for 6v6 back. Either they bring them points or say "it doesn't affect me so idc", which is so dumb because when it did affect you in OW1 (queue times) you were crying (while tanks were suffering too) but now it is only tanks suffering it just is "not your problem".

[@AzureRoxe]

? Eskay is one of the CCs that are the MOST disingenuous and happily worship anything Blizzard does.

[@ItsSageCertified]

Eskay is the worst of them

[@Reesespcz541]

Maybe Eskay is just as bad, I just don’t watch their content, aside from the “Why comp is bad” video, and Flats just becomes insufferable anytime someone disagrees with his opinion on a game he hasn’t played at the top levels in years.

[@spottyboi024]

I have never heard of GS Raider until now, but I just subbed to his YT. I like this guy, like Samito your stuff is good but you have a lot of friends in the scene so you have to hold yourself back a little bit. GS Raider speaks the full truth and I like it

[@wanderingyeehaw]

what are peoples opinion on Stylosa? i know that he used to really ride the game but then he's taken a big turn in the last year to being quite negative and doomer about the game. while i was getting annoyed by his mindset, i also got where he's coming from. he genuinely loved the game and felt betrayed by the people who made his favorite game... i feel that also took him outta bliz's graces cuz they stopped inviting to events like the porche one. i mean that or he's bri*ish and cant be bothered to invite him and fly him over to LA for various reasons.

[@SamitoFPS]

One of the few real ones. I've spoken to him privately quite a bit, dude is real af

[@konplayz]

Stylosa is the Lebron of OW

[@Plaguedoc47]

He’s a blizzard shill that breaks out of their mind control from time to time

[@IceDeBlueberry]

nah Sty pretty real, he talk shit when he wants to, yeah 2018 Sty was kinda blizzard shill but I guess he got tired of PR Blizzard ego, also he’s doing pretty good on hell divers 2

[@verguco6051]

doomer = not being a shiller

[@Yeshalot]

bringing their top creators to drive around in luxury cars for a "collab" is one of the biggest indicators ever of a "shill" or at the very least division between them and a normal player. I respect all of them and the time they've put into the game and helping its growth with their content (except sypher pk during most if not all of OW2) but there's a huge disconnect there for me, and it makes it increasingly harder to believe these guys are "one of us" or that they truly have unfiltered opinions or are genuinely looking out for the players when part of them is doing their best not to hurt any feelings or stay in the creator program. having all these perks that creators who do speak out and don't shill the game don't is just something that no matter what causes that bias to lean more towards the companys favor.

[@dme1ster436]

GSRaider makes some of the best overwatch content hands down

[@dNLq]

looking for shills? Take a good look at the picture at 7:55, its all of them put in one place just missing ML7

[@lawrence9713]

What is said at around 7:40 100.000.000% exactly the same as a ow streamer I was following for years and me. Constantly had discussions about the game and the streamer was coping so hard it really hurt. It hurt seeing the game becoming worse over time, it hurt seeing the streamer having less views, less subs and also having less fun and stopped streaming fulltime. I loved the game, I loved the stream, I loved this person. All gone.

[@JumpsOw]

Who was the streamer? just curious.

[@BTRshow]

Nah, GS raider is right. Tbh some creators are such paid actors and scripted that theyre not even worth watching because theyre just blizzard employees. Creators being shills for a payroll is understandable, honestly. People do worse for less money. That being said, being a shill isnt someone with a valid opinion.

[@HammondCR]

calling flats “the biggest” overwatch creator is crazy 😭

[@whitebwoi]

"accept blizzard with open ass" is gold

[@PandawanTTV]

GS Raider is unfathomably based

[@lukaslambs5780]

Gordon Ramsay, Stephen A. Smith, and J. Jonah Jamison are three people that honestly give off the same energy and i have been a fan of all of them for a while too, I feel you 😂

[@justinwalker-sq9fn]

Group up is an actual debate now.

[@AdmFrog]

Yo gsraider is an absolute chad thanks for showing me his channel

[@ChimpRevolution]

I've seen GS Raiders video can we stop protecting these creators they are shills end of story. They have put what's best for the community and their fan base behind to better their relationship with blizzard and im sick of pretending they speak for the fans of the channels. Raider is the only one who has the balls to call it how it is

[@richman360]

Blizzard stole my game, shot me seven times and then replaced it with a new game I didnt ask for.

[@cirno9349]

Even funnier now

[@theconman5540]

the q up of "Beneath The Mask" when you went into the NDA was amazing editing. PAY THIS MAN MORE

[@gibgood1898]

Did Custa ever like apologize or bring up the fact he called sam a grifter? Or has he gone radio silent

[@Miggy19779]

CuNta won't do such a thing, clue's in the name. CUNTA

[@dannyhernandez112]

Listen as someone who loves both Sam and Flats, them being my favorite 2 OW content creators. We all know Flats tries to play things safe and often doesn't say what he really feels and we know why. I dont blame Flats, I understand and Im cool with him being the voice of reason. We need that, but we also need guys like Sam and GS who arent afraid to call Blizzard and other creators out on their bs.

[@juusoleinonen]

I really dont like that streamers get special treatment, it makes their content ungenuine and overall lessens the hype when there is new stuff

[@juusoleinonen]

I miss the early days when streamers were just ordinary ppl

[@AdhvaithSane]

It only feels that way because of the awful, pitiful excuse of a “company” called “Blizzard”, and how they treat their Content creators/Overwatch influencers like PR tools or hired actors, which is despicable to say the least.

[@RuthlessEd51]

It's 5v5 because they needed a way to cut players from the falling overwatch league without completely shutting it down instantly

[@WayToTheDoubler]

I don’t usually dig fat jokes but “Fats- I mean Flats” actually sent me

[@Misohawnnn]

no excuse for flats to be that big brother has all the time in the world

[@ferrisow]

i dont think he meant to say it tbh maybe he did but i dont think he meant to say it

[@AdhvaithSane]

Considering everything that had happened in the last 2+ years…. We need to somehow convince Blizzard to just *admit Overwatch 2 was a complete failure,* bringing 6v6 in the process back again *OR…* We propose to Blizzard a different format than the current one (and entertain that idea), but also not identical to Old Overwatch’s format, and that is.. *_7v7_* *Yes.* I know the issues and the balance nightmares it might (or it definitely would) bring with it but IT WOULD be THE ONLY option that we’d have *left* for a format with VASTLY MORE potential than the current format. I’m sorry fellow Overwatch players if you don’t like this but it is the truth, you have to accept it otherwise you’d be in even more pain in not doing so. *Genuinely.*

[@alexanderrego1998]

Your overwatch and custa are for sure shills

[@michaelbald1729]

Can someone tell me what mindplex is?

[@Excadunked]

I really admire how mature Samito is when it comes to this video. He never denied that there wasn't any shills in Overwatch, even confirming it outright, but still defends his friends and stands up for them when necessary. I genuinely respect Samito here and really makes me think of him much more differently.

[@AzureRoxe]

The issue is that his friends ARE the biggest shills and he keeps denying it just to "defend them". He talks so much shit about Overwatch, but happily ignores the damage his fellow content creators do whenever they defend Blizzard. OF COURSE Blizzard will never change 5v5 when they have a legion of CC shills and their communities worshiping them.

[@RamitsuAcapucolae]

I'm kind of in the same boat here 🚣‍♂️

[@commandoch12i5]

You guys ever wonder if other games have this corporate/ shill drama? Sometimes I feel like the Overwatch community is dealing with their own little American Revolution with all this Blizzard stuff lmao

[@DrDildus161]

Dead game. Don't care.

[@JohnIvoryMusic]

& I bet you played it today

[@hasturthekinginyellow8467]

Facts

[@Notfromthisworld849]

Sad and true

[@rockeater64]

why’d u click on the video doofus

[@SnakeSkinz]

​@@Cushingura It's a niche game, Team 4 did fuck everything up, but the game isn't dead and never will be. First, the F2P model will see to that, and adding new heros will keep it on a lifeline. Second, I used to play so much For Honor; a MUCH more niche game than OW and a game made by Ubisoft of all people... and it's somehow still alive. For a game to truly die not only would the devs have to abandon it, but the servers would have to he shut down

[@CommanderPequod]

GS is fighting fire with fire. The walls to our cities have collapsed and the mongrels have invaded our homes while we sit back and watch powerless to do anything to stop Blizzard. We need more people like Sam and GS

[@VladStopTalking]

Samito shilling for shillers smh. Raider is on the dot on every point except for maybe one.

[@Pekara121]

Sam in his mind while watching the vid be like "TALK YOUR SHIT BROO LETS GOOOO"

[@dstorms]

1:18 this guy is spitting

[@RamitsuAcapucolae]

LMAO

[@TooRiskyHD]

Wow the fact you’re working on mineplex amazes me. I’m 23 now and I still remember 14 yr old me playing that server. Great times on that server and many others.

[@inahacim6582]

Your overwatch was one of the very first ow channels i followed for ow news and info. But at some point during ow2 Freedo sold out. Hes the most cringe of them all.

[@Ardyrezv]

Uhh he sold out in 2017 when him eddy and wegal went to blizzcon and met Jeff. Been a hard simp ever since.

[@PatronHall]

You respect Freedo? So when you brought up a shill complimenting the D.VA Porsche skin, that wasn't a sneak diss to him? When you talked about everyone defending 5v5 arguing in bad faith because they want good favor from Blizzard, that wasn't including Freedo?

[@lornafex]

tbh i get where gs raider is complaining about creators when it comes to "being neutral." its kind of bullshit still feels like theyre not giving theyre real opinions on things just staying in the middle to have their relationships with blizzard n shit.

[@villagerc7130]

Omg I just finished watching the original vid and now I'm seeing urs

[@YouChoke1v1s]

Thank god raider people don't understand how much longer it takes to change things and balance rather than perfecting it

[@lilpharma]

Rivals asking creators to not disparage their (UNFINISHED game in an alpha) that they are giving them early access to, in order to play test a YEAR before release, is actually WAY more understandable to me. The product isnt done yet so it'd be unfair to come out and talk mess about it and killing it's hype before it is released like the desperate OW shills are trying to do....

[@goatpapayt2294]

Now it's out and is fucking amazing

[@ibrahimismail5625]

sam forgets that he can pause the video to talk

[@its-tinyavocado]

nda is fine by me, it's self censoring factor in ow creator community is pissing me off, people literally boot licking for free

[@candy1049]

I just love how Samito keeps it real with us.

[@Steve-sp4rx]

Staying "neutral" when you know something is dogshit is shilling. You are doing it to maintain your relationship with a company and are purposely being deceitful with your audience.

[@fullnelson4986]

@flats

[@vectory674]

Thanks! This is ALSO dishonesty. Not saying that something is wrong especially when it's a problem is just as bad as lying

[@huntermushero9362]

7:55 I always forget how tall Flats is and also how short Jay is. Lol.

[@umbrasunbro2142]

I like Flats but he definitely is one of the people who are on a very thin line between honest and shill. Because even when he “speaks his mind” he does so through gritted teeth hoping not to offend his Blizzard overlords. Honestly, unless you are completely working for yourself there’s no way not to be a shill. And that’s understandable, but it’s hard to say the praise he gives blizzard and the OW devs is completely warranted. The truth is they sluffed out a slog of a game, caked with lies and bias. There’s a whole role that’s just unfun to play, to the point people who use to main it don’t even want to touch the role. I want to still love the game, but nothing is going to change if Blizzard is just listening to the creators who say “well there’s just some minor problems.” I’m sorry, but games are supposed to be fun, having an entire role where it’s just not fun to play is a MAJOR problem. And the fact that the quick play hacked mode that allowed for 2 of the same characters in atk and supp didn’t show how left out of the game Tanks are is ridiculous to me

[@verguco6051]

i have seen that fatty, he clearly hates the game but dont want to say anything negative, he is bitting his tounge to say 6vs6 is better but he didnt say anything because he clearly wants to drive a porsche

[@josephdavis3472]

He can't really be mad about you saying people are shilling, only to then say you are _grifting_ which is just implying that _you_ are shilling but in a more dishonest way. It's just projection at its finest.

[@tyrantla7120]

Its infuriating to watch these streamers shilling and hanging out with Blizz devs while they kill the f-ing game.

[@Staticiii]

Nah I said it in his video and I’ll say it in this one again. Warn was an AWFUL person for console OW. Genuinely awful, all he did was spew hate. There’s 3 players I will never forgive for the amount of hatred they generated in the community and warn is a HARD #2. Even after switching to pc I will never forgive bro.

[@peiithos]

now im curious, who are the others?

[@Staticiii]

@snake(with a bunch of numbers after his name) was a pharah main and pretty much did the same thing as warn, had a group that he’d cause mayhem with if you didn’t do what they wanted you to do. Snake was within masters-top 500 Abluesquirtle, threw my match by sitting in the back of enemy spawn for me simply picking genji. I promised to never forget his name. (I became the #2 genji on ps4 and reached top 152 before switching to pc) Warntv, widow, Ashe, sym main. POS, annoying to play with or against, is 100% a good player but an absolutely shitty person.

[@Staticiii]

@@peiithos 👆🏾

[@peiithos]

@@Staticiii thanks for sharing, and thats interesting, ill keep the names in mind

[@lazirus874]

This biggest problem with this game is when they made it free to play. The quality of everything went out the window.

[@novaskyzero]

Creators that sign NDAs or work with companies etc, can’t be fully trusted ever. It’s always in their best interest to put the game / studio first ahead of their own fans. They really shouldn’t have a “middle ground”. If there’s something legitimately bad about the game, it should be criticized.