It's Topical | Are SA forces combat-ready in DRC?

Extremism Security Analyst Jasmine Opperman and SA National Defence Union's Advocate Pikkie Greeff are our guests tonight.
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[@masolotech]

Thank you SANDF 💞!! Our sincerest condolences for you at this time. You have our deepest sympathy and unwavering support. Wishing you peace, comfort, courage, and lots of love at this time of sorrow. Our heart goes out to you at this difficult time. Your support in our country will be rewarded abundantly !! ✊🇿🇦💞🇨🇩

[@christianparusse3541]

Thanks alot South African National Defence Forces ❤ Make sure that after this war All South African business Men will have free business registration in the DR Congo 🇨🇩

[@tjmoruledi406]

To all our troops those deployed and those standing by. Thank you for your service 🫡

[@OmarVlogs-u7h]

The analyst speak like this the First time SANDF deployed in DRC. SANDF was deployed in DRC before and defeated M23 successfully.

[@Cakimzionb]

2013 IS not equal to 2024.sandf will learn a great lesson

[@OmarVlogs-u7h]

@@Cakimzionb nonsense 2024 will be disastrous for the criminals M23 bytheway it was recently flashed out by Wazalendo a none conventional army.

[@sjandrestrydom1104]

We defeated M23 within 24 of deploying the rooivalk

[@miba876]

2013 is not 2024. You need to understand! And in 2013 they didn't defeat them but M23 was tricked to believe them in the peace process!

[@JamesZozisibande]

Just imagine

[@LindaSibeko-j2v]

Peace in DRC ✊🇿🇦 SA army Thanks for support

[@TonyTromp-b4c]

SANDF is a circus not a army, they are on holiday with huge salaries , not they must fight and they don't know how😂😂😂😂

[@isangimafuta5319]

Thank you so much South Africa we really appreciate your help for the stability of DR Congo we always have you in our heart.

[@Emmanuel-pr2vp]

In 2013 SANDF didn't defeat M23! M23 pulled out voluntarly...

[@NshutisFamilyofficial]

It's impossible you,you don't know M23

[@mugumealex9873]

My Brothers, the issue in DRC will never be solved by sending thousands of Soldiers from SA, from Tanzania, From Burundi, FDLR, Wazarendo, and other from Other places, fighting Congolese speaking Kinyarwanda to eliminate 😢 leaders should seat down and solve this issue peace, not going to die from DRC

[@congohotep2249]

Calm down guys, the Drc army and the south African Army had done this before and they defeated the M23 rebels , for those who don't know the M23 is the Rwandese Army fighting and killing congo people since more than 20 years

[@Cakimzionb]

2013#2024.so don't be mistaken

[@mugumealex9873]

You are just misleading people, they are not Rwandas, they are Congolese speaking Kinyarwanda understand that do research on that they will tell you!!

[@Nate-y3h]

Calm down for your self. If they defeated them they shouldn’t comeback. They betrayed them by promising the dialogue but this time around is different my brother they been fighting for more than 2 years. DRC has more than 400,000 armies plus those puppets and mercenaries . They have no strong reasons to fight but M23 does. VIVA M23🫡

[@goshen82]

Ja i can see a lot of miss understanding here but anyway we know the medias war are also there , you all talking I don't know if you know the area or it just the information you have that makes u to talk but go look more and make sure about the words and sentences u put here : m23 mean 23 Marc bcz the movement started on that date , the previous gouvernement had agreement with them in the past and same of them are benefiting of agreement till today , the system is every time some of them these go back and start to claim the same things that most of u don't know....that why this time around no negotiations.... Yes m23 it movement got support from Rwanda and evidence are them in united nations ( UN ) ....we know some of ppl in social medias work for m23 to miss leading the international opinions ...this time around we going to fight till end ....

[@congohotep2249]

@@Nate-y3h LOL 😆 they were beaten up on the field by the congo army and South African army they landed back to their country and Kagame re-armed them and sent them back again. Congo has 450 tribes and we all stay in peace. BanyaRwanda are all Rwanda citizens

[@southafrica9179]

We should be focusing on the problems forming in Mozambique, its a little too close for comfort..

[@billetmagara1311]

The major mistake SADC has made is to include Tanzania in this mission. Tanzania was part of the Tutsi Triumvirate made up of Tanzania, Rwanda and Uganda whose presidents were all Tutsi. Tanzania is likely to surreptitiously incline itself with Rwanda-based M23 rebels and thus compromise the situation. This poses a great danger to the SADC forces.

[@LatnokAfrica]

How can we remotely participate in the next live debate on this matter ?

[@LindaSibeko-j2v]

Guys it's not the first time deployed in DRC SA army been leading these missions since 2007 this is not war for SA it's peace keeping mission the leaders in those regions are the problem SA is there to protect civilians encourage peace talks not war . most of you missing the....this mission is been sabotaged by the west ... SA has air support in DRC and Mozambique people are just saying what ever they think about SA army those people busy working to bring peace for the people of DRC 😊

[@sjandrestrydom1104]

People don't know the difference between peace keeping force and the Force intervention Brigades

[@billetmagara1311]

And the other thing is ; No matter how well equipped the SADC army is, the fact that they don't speak local languages, they will be seen as foreigners and the level of reciprocal cooperation will be much lower if any. The SADC Interventionist force of the late 90s, involving Zimbabwe, Namibia and Angola, had officers from Zimbabwe who spoke Lingala, Swahili and French. It is a key component in working in foreign nations. Zimbabwe's casualties were substantial but could've been worse were it not for the language advantage

[@abdulrafiquekalembo469]

Do not underestimate the SADC regional Forces.led Malawi,SA and Tanzania forces with others like Botswana and Namibia forces on board.Job will get done..No one survives or prevents motor attack. Even the US military have suffered from motor attacks by the Taliban.

[@WILLIAMCHALAKA]

IF YOU HAVE POOR BORDERS U DONT PARTICIPATE IN A FIGHT , SOON IT WILL COME BACK TO YOU, ONE DAY WE WILL MEET OUR ANCESTORS.YR HOUSE DOESNT HAVE DOORS AND WINDOWS AND YOU GO AND PROVOKE PEOPLE

[@caiphusmaluleke9616]

they lost in Mozambique they are in process of withdrawal

[@malkolinge8784]

It's all about justice and south Africa is right. S,A. Need DRC to survive. Electricity and mining for south Afrika is depended on peace in DRC.

[@jaykeshsingh8626]

Killings should be stopped 🥲

[@jeanmariemosengo2603]

We need peace in all Africa . Kagame he's not immortal or eternal him and museveni... They are must stop massacres in DRC..... NATO stop massacres in DRC....

[@diulukabongo4395]

On the issue of DRC, people should stop talking to Thabo Mbeki.

[@niyoncu]

Why?

[@diulukabongo4395]

@@niyoncuhe made money in DRC.

[@diulukabongo4395]

@@niyoncuaccording to his once answer to Parlement in SA

[@congohotep2249]

Thabo mbeki is one of these people that supported Rwanda to loot congo minerals and doesn't want the war to stop .the joke in this is when the political meeting is called up , it's Rwanda that standing for M23 ​@@niyoncu

[@Cakimzionb]

When he talks something which doesn't please your ears

[@sibomanaemmanuel1831]

Me I stand with RWANDA 🇷🇼 and ISRAEL 🇮🇱❤

[@Zun295]

Lungile sithole thank you brother short speech but deep

[@kennedytsokodibane3058]

The ANC needs to stop defunding the SANDF while increasing expectations simultaneously. It is unfair & places the lives of our soldiers at risk.

[@Geopolitic-n8g]

You know South Africa is the African chair what exactly do you expect south Africa to do nothing?

[@kennedytsokodibane3058]

@@Geopolitic-n8g South Africa is NOT the African chair. Whatever that means.

[@Geopolitic-n8g]

@@kennedytsokodibane3058 yes we are have you been living under a rock just say you don't know

[@Geopolitic-n8g]

@@kennedytsokodibane3058 but anyway there is a Africa union When South Africa speaks they don't speak on behalf of south Africa but Africa if you didn't know

[@mxolisimphago9842]

​@@Geopolitic-n8gwell it's important to understand the comment before you make any input . Our government should ensure that our army is well trained , well equipped and well funded to carry out regional missions .

[@diulukabongo4395]

The honesty with which you talk about the money spent by SA in DRC, should equal the one you use to talk about what you get from DRC.

[@tshilombaalidor6447]

Over 7000000 internally displaced, over 12000000 killed, millions of Dollars in mineral and wild animals ( gorillas) looted

[@VhutshiloNemaheni-ei1nw]

I'd like to see enca talk about this in depth

[@jaen-dre4613]

We take our soldiers for granted here in SA.

[@evertroos2261]

AI JA JAI...POOR DRC CANT BLAME APARTHEID!!!!

[@VhutshiloNemaheni-ei1nw]

There's more than one player involved for Apartheid to succeed eg USA,Israel and the UK all supported SA during Apartheid and still support such colonial practices today so what about the wealthiest country on the planet

[@Geopolitic-n8g]

What is wrong with you

[@VhutshiloNemaheni-ei1nw]

@@Geopolitic-n8g what do you mean by that

[@Geopolitic-n8g]

@@VhutshiloNemaheni-ei1nw was talking about the main comment

[@Geopolitic-n8g]

@@VhutshiloNemaheni-ei1nw was talking about the main comment

[@kaisholeopard]

The biggest question is how can a government send troops to a nation without adequate air support, the South African built Rooivalk helicopters are grounded due to lack of maintenance and funds. Okay let’s go back to August 1998 the late Laurent Desire Kabila called on SADC for support, Mugabe sent his crack Commandos, Paratroopers and the elite SAS supported by a professional Zimbabwe airforce, BAE Hawk jets, Alouette helicopter gunships, Augusta bell Huey troop carrier helicopters. They fought bloody battles managing to recapture the Inga Dam with Namibian troops trickling in and Angolan forces moving across the border to help motivated by late president Mobutu’s support of UNITA Angolas arch enemies at the time. The biggest challenge is maintaining the morale of the troops, maintaining the little equipment the South African military has cried out for years to be replaced, we all know how the military suffered losses in the battle of Bangui in the CAR. The question is how did we get here Denel once a mammoth of a technological hub for the South African military hardware manufacturing industry? Old men in suits send young men to die in battle while they wine and dine!Food for thought 💭

[@addisonrae3638]

Decrease the hr budget and increase the operating budget

[@johnkabanga9001]

Kagame and Museveni are killing bantus for the benefit of tutsi.

[@chriss4789]

Who told you that

[@johnkabanga9001]

@@chriss4789 your father told me that

[@diulukabongo4395]

Your analyst who says that there are citizens of DRC fighting should read the UN reports and other experts. No expert here is knowledgeable of what is going on. But DRC should understand when people are turning a blind eye. It’s human behavior. Madam, no one will incorporate these thugs in the DRC army. The current state of the DRC army is directly to previous many incorporation of thugs.

[@sjandrestrydom1104]

Here is a very hard truth the Department of Defense is the most important and mean most important department of any country/government its state reflects the state of a country!!! I proudly serve my country.

[@CHARLES.N.A.]

Thank you south Africans we must learn how to defend our continent Africa must build her military force

[@NIUM_T_S]

Iyngane zabantu zisuka emakhaya kubo ziyofela izimpi ekungazona ezakubo😢

[@mxolisimphago9842]

Nathi ukuze sithole lenkululeko esinayo, kwasuka abantu emakubo bazolwa izimpi zethu lana .

[@NIUM_T_S]

@@mxolisimphago9842 mybe bhuti wam awuzwa ukuthi ngikhala ngani.......... Mina kahle kahle ngithi akuyi ngani abaholi kulezo zimpi lezo kungani makusaya osisi bethu nobhuti bethi kmele kudutshulwane kuze kufe abantu kodwa uma sekuya abaholi... Bona sebeyaxoxa akuqhumi nesisodwa isibhakela laphana. Kuhlalwa phansi kuxoxwe...... Isiwula naso leso esinekela ngemiphefumulo yabantu ngenxa yemibango yalamagwala angabaphathi abathumelayo. Ngokuzithoba NGYABONGA❤️

[@samykaba.b7547]

We Congolese are thankfully to SANDF for there collaboration

[@southafricaismyhome814]

SOUTHAFRICANS FIGHTING EUROPEN USA INTEREST IN DRC 🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦

[@millerwtf]

Tell the people the truth please - M23 terrorists are well armed and supplied by the President of Rwanda Paul Kgame which has been proved numerous times by the UN and our troops are underfunded, the same as was the case in the CentralAfricanRepublic. a few years ago. In the Congo our troops have no proper artillery other than mortars and no air support. These deaths can be laid at the door of President Ramaphosa for sending our troops while our defence force is in a deplorable state due to corruption by the ANC. And by the way they inherited a fully functional military 30 years ago and did not have to "reposition" themselves as your first guest mentioned , they should just have maintained the equipment. No Rooivalk operational ? How ridiculous

[@jackngoyi9987]

DRC have been purchasing weapons and aircrafts for the last 2 years after 25 years embargo forbidding them to equip the army. I'm sure those will be supplied to all soldiers on the ground.

[@jimama79]

I thought was Tich Mtaz

[@samkelosam7581]

We really lost my our brothers and sisters rest in peace

[@Bluecollarjoe6B9]

Wait wait wait. Who deploys boots on the ground without owning the sky first?? This is basic tested military doctrine

[@matomemateta8955]

With military budget cuts then deployment to dangerous territories like DRC. Commander in chief must be crazy

[@unathimichaelmxaku8105]

No air support in the jungle against people who knows the jungle this looks like suicide mission.

[@safetyfirst5614]

With out sanctions against Rwanda and Uganda for supporting the M23 Rebels there will be not peace in the Eastern DRC.

[@lennoxndingaye6333]

It's hard to comment about our army because our government is so secretive about how strong and capable is the army to defend the land. I, for one believe in a strong ARMY.

[@Wise-ew5cw9yj6x]

But what is the goal of south africa in this ethnic war? Backing one side where there is risk of genocide is risky to the nation which has always fought against apartheid! Leaders need to rethink this question and bring back soldiers otherwise you should be accused of genocide

[@CodeSleeper]

Interms of Civilizations and Genetic Tribes, the waring factions are both Bantu and the SANDF is backing the majority and democratically elected GOV, its about minerals and geopolitically we are aligned... The Tustsi's in the south waring with the Hutu are decendents from Rwanda hence The basic reason for the war... borders drawn during colonial times and the devisions created by the belgians... The reason Rwanda is the way it is today economically... there is no short answer unfortunately

[@alexismwinyi8472]

In whole Africa Who had genocide is the Rwandan soldiers and their peoples So stop talking about your natural things for other people who doesn't even how to killed...

[@Geopolitic-n8g]

You are talking about things that have been going on for years and you are only waking up to this now

[@congohotep2249]

It's not an ethical war , it's CONGO Alone vs RWANDA and UGANDA supported by the western power . More than 20 million of Congolese have been killed already by Tutsi army ( uganda and Rwanda ) The bantu genocide is happening in the eastern of Congo and u don't want South Africa to go help ? Think twice

[@Geopolitic-n8g]

@@congohotep2249 South Africa troop's have being in DRC since 2013

[@LindelwaJantjies]

Please stop cutting the defence budget

[@addisonrae3638]

Don’t agree mortar is an indirect weapon it is therefor indirect fire the weapons are blind wit an observer directing the fire unto the target Weapon wise we are not combat ready

[@Bajyanama]

( Congolese Tutsis , rwandophone speakers) We have been in exile since 1995 in different neighboring countries that includes Rwanda , Uganda , Kenya , and all over the world . Our government has denied us for a very long time . Sometimes the Govt officials say out loud on a daylight . We are back again and who ever was involved in the 2013 war to chase us out of our land is going to pay a high price . We the M23 / ARC we are going to fight like we have nothing to loose , we will fight until the last drop of our man’s blood 🩸 this issues has to be resolved politically otherwise we are not stepping back until our voice is heard . Military wise you can not compare congolese armies to us , South Africans, Tanzanians , Malawi 🇲🇼 please stay away from this irresponsible Government unless you want to shed the blood of your innocent children.

[@burundishallsmile1day109]

🤔🤦🏾‍♂️ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@lukessekitoleko7424]

It is capacitated and it will manage

[@emmanuelngiriwonsanga2157]

Ask yourself why all SADC members are not there?Why three countries only?

[@bonifacekatundu3743]

tusti is the tribe of kagame and are not congolese, Monusco are supply armes to M23 rebel and supporting ruanda,and theire olso looting mineral,ouganda and ruanda,Thaink you SANDf

[@Cakimzionb]

That's the conséquences of your tribalism

[@suemaymahlangu8141]

ahhhhh Bobe 💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔

[@Cakimzionb]

Drc will regret if he denies dialogue

[@LatnokAfrica]

Sorry to hear your history Brother John Bwasa 😪😪😪. Your pain is what Tutsi-congolese are feeling days and night in refugees camps in Kenya, Rwanda and Uganda. They just need to return home. But their land is occupied buy more than 300 armed groups created by some ministers, parliament members and senators supporting killers who committed genocid in rwanda 1994 killing more than 1 millions Tutsi in 30 days. Imagine people who are living that dram day and night since 1994 up to NOW. Take back your soldiers otherwise they will perish in this conflict.

[@pollen_za]

26:49 u are scary 😮😢 and quality is 144p

[@mugisha2000k]

But in 120 and more rebels , why only M23

[@Zun295]

I think that Siraj Kany guy is a Rwandan ,south Africa have always been there for DRC and most of the time the won so don't use this as an opportunity to score points

[@evertroos2261]

RSA GO TO DRC...AND SEND THEIR ONLY WORKING AIRFORCE THERE!!!??🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jackngoyi9987]

DRC will supply aircrafts. Just bought 4 new ones top up existing

[@IyobahiganaAmakenga]

The question is not the SANDF capability but is it nessasary to fight M23? Do south africa know the reason why M23 is fighting DRC Regime?

[@GashugiKananura]

My brother don't think SA force went into DRC to bring peace they 're there for other mission but S A is going to regret because SA force is regretting why they went to DRC

[@sellogregory6089]

Its a UN Funded mission -like US Ukrainian, repair refurbish deploy.

[@tshilombaalidor6447]

Why are Tutsi RDF KILLING INOSENT AND REPLACING THEM WITH TUTSI IN THEY VILLAGES?

[@Cakimzionb]

Because Drc cooperates hand in hand with fdlr

[@AYANDAMSHENGU-zw4wk]

boarder is not a problem in SA meaning SANDF they can go all out

[@eugenemutangana1449]

Very sorry gentlemen that you are less informed, especially about why your SANDF being in DRC, secondly you aren’t aware of how much you you are losing. It is so pathetic that, the gentleman interviewed earlier mentions minerals as the main cause of the conflict! Totally wrong, the main issue here is that, the some citizens especially the Kinyarwanda speaking people are often denied rights to leave in their country. Here SANDF is actually contributing to the DRC government, to destroy their own country than saving it. You can’t intervene correctly if you aren’t aware of what the cause for the conflict is. There should a prior consensus between SA government and DRC, on what/why SANDF should be there in first place and what possible solutions are, otherwise you just continuously contributing to just a mess.

[@pierresibomana6673]

This time, SANDF are deployed for a war, not a Peace Keeping Mission. SADC forces are going in for against M23, 2024 mission is total different from 2013. Just remember M23 is fighting for the protection of its people against genocidaire ideologist FDLR (Rwandan rebels)and an incensitive goverment which has failed to protect them since 1995

[@LatnokAfrica]

Rest in Peace Boys. You came to fight people in the fighting to survive, fighting for their brothers and sisters spent 30 years in refugees camps. Are south Africans experienced segregation or racism ? Better Peter Botha returns to the power so that you guys can be re-reducated.

[@Zun295]

Your busy only asking that old woman who is taking crape while you haven't ask Joël kalala not even one question so why did you incited him??

[@jaykeshsingh8626]

❤❤

[@Lovy-c1v]

Congo all ways because of diamonds, mobile pfones, gold, petroleum...

[@shadowsneaker6546]

Who is paying for this? Certainly we don't have the money to support this, even if it's the right thing to do. If things keep deteriorating in our own country, we'll see conflict of the same magnitude within our own borders in no time at all. South Africa is already borrowing money to stay afloat. The tax payer is already taxed to the brink of death. Who pays???

[@johnkabanga9001]

Go drink beer and leave this matter for big boys.

[@jackngoyi9987]

DRC will pay definitely

[@shadowsneaker6546]

@@jackngoyi9987 Yea right. And the moon is a ball of cheese...

[@PeterMugisha005]

SADF has never never ever succeeded in any mission. None! In Sudan it was RDF (Rwanda) that brought about real impact. In CAR SADF failed. RDF succeeded. In Mozambique SADF failed, RDF succeeded. So, please be real. Stop propagandist analysis.

[@aminimbonimpa3398]

Is long Congolese still have mind that are fithing with Rwandaise not there fellow Congolese and seat down resolved problems turn forget peace in you Country. Congolese and seat down talk and solve problem tern you must forget peace in you Country

[@Zun295]

Listen to that old white woman, would you negotiate with a thief in your house??

[@garyriviere6220]

You need to take your land back, first. You are going to need your troops at home.

[@PeterMugisha005]

How old is that man you’ve just shown in your compaign? The one who says he was borne in the forest and does not know his mother?

[@AA-xs8mv]

He was a refugee from Mobutu seseku's time

[@GashugiKananura]

Bad news to the people of south Africa your forces in DRC are in great danger few we'll come back the true fact is the SA/G can not tell you what is happening on the ground your army is regretting why they went to Kongo war they have lost a big number of soldiers but this remains secret because if SA people know what happened to their army then the president we'll be in problem don't metion those 2 who were brought back you'll be shocked if you hear what happened to your forces M23 has captured a number of them.

[@mugisha2000k]

So Rwanda is teaching SADC in Mozambique 😂😂😂???

[@AA-xs8mv]

Exactly 💯

[@RubayitaRukaka]

For sure SADF has lost its dignity, it has been demistifiéd by m23 sharp fighters, your mourning is going to be constant, anyway in last night m23 has killed 80 soldiers in coalition in which SADF belongs, other captured, for sure you can't achieve as long as SADF is operating along with FDLR genocidaires HUTU from Rwanda, already integrated in Tchisekedi forces, if you don't withdraw your force you will have unsurmonted remorse, I am sure wallah

[@markhowley]

I'm

[@andreasmusonera]

Sometimes when you talk about those minerals...it seems like you guys can use hands to pick them....guys those minerals need big machineries to dig them up! And those who has machines are western multinationals! Why always accusing Rwanda for stealing which doesn't have those machineries???? For me l think that those multinationals always divert the attention on Rwanda for them to have free hands! Of course when it comes to artisanal mining...Rwanda have the same rights like everybody to buy them! Western countries loves to have monopoly on everything! The conflict in this part of congo is the presence of the fdlr! Why are they special???? Rwanda has been asked congo to disarm them in the past 29 years...but congo refused....why???

[@sikhumbuzomhlanga4127]

This is totally childish for SA leading part.to partake in such a detrimental activity. This is a wasteful expenditure above all. Sikhumbuzo Mhlanga

[@madalankomo685]

Selling out our soldiers

[@fubub3595]

Sandf going to kate it pece of cake i mean minerals

[@sambaprojectllc]

Surprised the experts don’t mention the fall of Mobutu and the Second Congo War in 1996-97 between 7 different African nations including Rwanda, Uganda and members of rhe SADC bloc, which killed . 5 million Congolese and left the country in ruins. The. MONUSCO mission was created in 2000 to help the DRC recover and protect civilians against the many armed groups which sprouted up in the wake of the war, While MONUSCO was able to deal with most of these armed groups, they could not cope with the M23 rebels, for the simple reason that they were trained and equipped by neighboring Rwanda. In 2012, MONUSCO. created a Rapid Response Force with well equipped and well armed SADC troops and defeated M23 in 2013. As Chief of the MONUSCO Video Unit for 5 years, I witnessed this conflict first hand. The RRF was disbanded, and now M 23 has returned - again with Rwandan backing. MONUSCO is a scheduled to leave at the end of 2024, so there is a power vacuum in the making. There is a real possibility of a larger conflict in a repeat of the Second Congo War.

[@sjandrestrydom1104]

Pikkie lies there are 2 rooi valks out of country he must get his facts right the main reason it's not able to support is budget constraints.

[@sjandrestrydom1104]

Why is the panel civilian with such low knowledge base? Also pikkie cannot speak for the SANDF the defense force i grew up in does not have union because we are governed by labour law hence no UIF benefits etc. The lady put some points in clear context but again there is no comparisons you can make between Mozambique and DRC its one thing to fight ISIS and another fighting rebels

[@KalisaEmmanuel-v9j]

Thabo mbeki knows you cannot fight alongside a government which is ex terminate its citizens.whats the difference between a freedom and a terrorist.this problem is older more than our African boarders,

[@jackngoyi9987]

Mbeki is wrong. They misunderstood the issues when they were in charge. Before 1994 the community living in the area never had major issues like what is happening now. In 1994 over 1.5million Rwandan flee to DRC. As a strategy to occupy the lands with Rwandan to capture the terrotories for economic purposes Rwanda a lot of those refugees in DRC to create the situation we are seeing today. Rwanda is organising masacres of those via the armed group the fund to attract the attention of the international community on a genocide towards the same community, as it happened in Rwanda, in DRC. Besides they are also going after the Hutus as they are scared that they organize themself to return overthrow Kagame. It's importation purposely of 1994 situation from Rwanda in DRC, for controlling the eastern DRC for economic gains. Their objective is to get the international community to intervene to protect against a genocide than as in 1994 they will ask Rwanda to intervene to bring peace. As most armed groups are sponsored by Rwanda then there will be no more fighting and Rwanda will officially administer the region...

[@jackngoyi9987]

Mbeki is wrong. They misunderstood the issues when they were in charge. Before 1994 the community living in the area never had major issues like what is happening now. In 1994 over 1.5million Rwandan flee to DRC. As a strategy to occupy the lands with Rwandan to capture the terrotories for economic purposes Rwanda a lot of those refugees in DRC to create the situation we are seeing today. Rwanda is organising masacres of those via the armed group the fund to attract the attention of the international community on a genocide towards the same community, as it happened in Rwanda, in DRC. Besides they are also going after the Hutus as they are scared that they organize themself to return overthrow Kagame. It's importation purposely of 1994 situation from Rwanda in DRC, for controlling the eastern DRC for economic gains. Their objective is to get the international community to intervene to protect against a genocide than as in 1994 they will ask Rwanda to intervene to bring peace. As most armed groups are sponsored by Rwanda then there will be no more fighting and Rwanda will officially administer the region...

[@sagamba]

M23 is fighting for their existence of Tutsi white killed buy Bantus

[@Zun295]

All of arr acting like those multi national, why don't you leave jeef to finished his picture you gave jasmine the whole platform, the next time don't even invite him

[@geoffreydereva3647]

You need to come to the field for Accurate information. Because of weak govn't,Those 1994 Genocidieres from Rwabda are now killings the people of Rwandaphone. So that's why M23 stood up to defend themselves &stop such behaviour. Where the M23 is controlling there full peace and stability but when you look at the side of the govn't even the soldiers are shooting each other

[@sergekatangakifakio9101]

Is not the truth

[@jackngoyi9987]

Your lies won't sink, we will expose you. Everyone knows that M23 is supported by Rwanda to occupy DRC lands and loot minerals. If M23 is so peaceful people why would 7 million people be displaced instead of staying in M23 captured territories. Can you tell what happened in Kishishe? After capturing the town you killed 300 innoncent civilians. Going back to Nairobi, why did you leave the negotiations to go capture Bunagana? And you have been returning to ask for negotiation. Do you want people to know what your demand to the government? To be given 40% of Military position in 3 provinces and also to be included in government and state owned companies. Why do the country have laws and a constitution. If you want a position there are democratic processes to follow. We will no longer let you spread lies, we will always be there to block you

[@Zun295]

You jasmine you will be confused with your negative confessions, DRC is suffering because of your uncles

[@vusi482RST]

🇿🇦 Defence Force the whole entire base not properly trained serious nobody knew about the bomb which was implanted poor 🇿🇦 soldiers they should check before or they must have advance Military Defence Technology like detecting bombs Land Mine carry old stuff in DRC no plans how by vigilant or aware.

[@niyoncu]

The Gvt lied to people. They died on the combat front

[@niyoncu]

In the same fighting, 3 European mercenaries died( 3 Roumanians

[@jaen-dre4613]

It was a mortar bomb you chop!.go and Google what a mortar bomb is.

[@Nate-y3h]

Great common sense here . They rush going there but they didn’t realize that water is too hot to burn them. This is Congolese war. Has to be done with dialogue. They can beat M23 even that is given 0.000000001 percent but 💯 they can’t beat the reason they are fighting, only dialogue can end the war.

[@jameskillu9171]

Can SANDF win a wat against superpowers, US, China and Russia backed militias, who cause the chaos in CONGO to enable looting of minerals,

[@VhutshiloNemaheni-ei1nw]

Let's not confuse China or Russia with the USA and the UK who supported Leopold but not Lumumba

[@murphyng4511]

this interview creepy why others participants not talk much? "discrimination,racisme, classicisme said"

[@murphyng4511]

this interview creepy why others participants not talk much? "discrimination,racisme, classicisme said"

[@honordiamond2548]

Sadly other people's kids are dead..... doing dirty work for unscrupulous dirty politicians!

[@murphyng4511]

journaliste raciste pant

[@TruthSeeker1511]

Firstly. Can the SADF even protect our country from any direct attack from outside our borders? What precisely does our weapons and artillary consist of? Secondly, the US in Africa and South Africa is just asking for trouble. The Geopolitical sphere has changed and is changeing. Africa should take care of Africa. Perhaps BRICS nation can offer help, but, they too are involved with their own defence needs.

[@fnbmbuyi3694]

You don't know anything about that that why you talking like this.

[@fnbmbuyi3694]

Mistake

[@takalaniraymond5264]

We dont sadf anymore

[@nickyngwana]

They failed the July looting,what else can they do 😢

[@rubegabukenya1923]

SADF came to DRÇ to joke, you don't know what is a war. Wait, all your soldiers will comeback to your country in bags.

[@25bacteria]

You're part of M23...we re not suprised

[@evertroos2261]

CiC?? The pala pala man!!!!???????😂😂😂😂😂