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[@enemychaser6487]

It's not unbalanced, It's just that every other character is playing SF III, while Chun-li and Yun are playing a Beat n' up and Remy, Twelve, Sean are playing Dark Souls Edit: Q is playing Dark Souls while using a heavy armor

[@janematthews9087]

If characters aren't interacting the way the game says they should(for good and bad) that means they're broken. Appreciate the comparisons, tho.

[@enemychaser6487]

@@janematthews9087 Sorry, I was being kinda ironic when I said it wasn't unbalanced, but I'm glad you liked the comparison. Thanks, bro!

[@SpaceGuerilla]

Not including Q is crazy.

[@Chris_Sizemore]

Sean... Sean is dealing with the balance patch that finally caught up with him from 2nd Impact. It was huge.

[@enemychaser6487]

@@SpaceGuerilla Fixed

[@kamenrangerzeo8251]

Max is preparing for the Marvel Vs Capcom collection with the help of SF3 3rd strike.

[@jasonsmith530]

Nostalgia for a time when the first fast and furious movie released

[@simonjeremy1776]

​@@aceattorneygeneral3922imagine calling someone a shill because they liked the game even though he acknowledged the flaws before

[@millythompsonfromtrigun98anime]

@@aceattorneygeneral3922your username has a Capcom IP as part of it?

[@mythosinfinite6736]

​​@@aceattorneygeneral3922 yeah he's a massive shill for that decades-old game from the turn of the millennium. i hope he's getting fat and fed from all of that topical MvC2 money that was travelling around. He definitely has a malicious agenda to get people to play an old fighting game. It's just plain ridiculous.

[@InspectorChairLeg]

​@@aceattorneygeneral3922 As a fellow ace attorney fan, we do not claim this fool

[@dukemagus]

"SF3 is prefectly fair and balanced"... Tell that to the Twelve Remy mains in the crowd

[@kendalllafollette1948]

i feel like urien, chun, and yang are all equal matchups for me. effing hard.

[@timephire]

"Go Home And Be A Family Man" - Guile to Chun Li.

[@GR-rj6qo]

"Go Home And Be A Family Man" - Guile to Guile.

[@thecaptain6520]

"Go Home And Be A Family Guy" - Mr. Washee-Washee to Peter Griffin.

[@GuileWinQuote]

Very surreal to see this vid pop up! Thanks again for checking it out, hope everyone is ready for Evo 🫡

[@thrwwyaccnt123]

Woah hey

[@nonutemperor]

Salute Mr. Family Man 🫡

[@heardofrvb]

No, thabk you for being a viable part of FG KZbin.

[@El_Chuchuca]

You've been putting banger FGC videos for while. To have 60k subs is a disrespect.

[@rorytaylor626]

Really well produced video! Subbed to the channel.

[@StarOutlaw9]

I can't believe people in the FGC say Virtua Fighter is too complex to get into when this is what they've been playing for decades.

[@ViashinoWizard]

they had to use up all their brainspace to memorize Third Strike minutia so there's no room left to learn new stuff

[@RyuShinkuuHadoken]

Virtua fighter is too complex and it feels not rewarding, 3rd strike is complex but fun.

[@StarOutlaw9]

@@RyuShinkuuHadoken I very much disagree about VF feeling unrewarding to play, especially when you land a tetsuzanko or somersault kick.

[@greencomet2011]

Tbf a a lot of oldheads in the FGC probably play 2D fighters way more. So going from a 2D game to a 3D game can often be a daunting or even a scary experience to someone who's already acostumed to a certain type of fighting game. One of the main reasons why I don't really play Tekken despite being a good game.

[@gh0rochi363]

As a Tekken fan I think this is more Tekken players saying that.

[@NegoClau]

Desk has a video comparing PARRY to JUST DEFENSE.

[@NegoClau]

Actually he has 6 videos highlighting every CvS2 groove, and that comes with a perfect comparison between PARRY and JUST DEFENSE, on the P-Groove video.

[@Korosivv]

LESGOOOOOOOO 3rd Strike is broken as fuck, but it's great

[@Mito383]

Guile Win Quote is one of the best FGC KZbinrs ever.

[@romuloventuracesario7661]

Makoto is a true MONSTER

[@Ronin-kk4bt]

Broken🤣

[@janematthews9087]

​@@Ronin-kk4btshe has to play 3rd strike, tho. In a game with Yun and Chun, she's a top 8 seat warmer.

[@ymotle]

my main, I love her and I miss her =)

[@dosilius2568]

Even worst, a demon 😈

[@romullorodrigues4975]

The real Queen of "i've succesfull laid a meter level special, you died"

[@Kenshi876]

I started dabbling in 3rd Strike a week ago and its insane how many videos I get recommended that are a day or 2 or a few hours old with high views. This feels like I picked up the latest SF entry not a decades old game.

[@stoiccrane4259]

Third Strike was a product of it's time and those of us who remember the 90's before KZbin and social media associate it with much better times than we experience today. Feels like everything was better back then except technology which is debatable. People were legitimately happier back then and more human.

[@wildwest1832]

It still has a large audience honestly. There are people playing 3S all these decades later.

[@easiestcc6451]

@@wildwest1832 Most game developers would KILL for a fanbase this loyal for a game this good. Same for the Marvel vs Capcom games (which recently got a collection that I'm SUPER hyped for)

[@adamquenano8563]

It’s super broken but the process of learning is the most satisfying experience ever.

[@Trankuilw]

Sf 3 balance is the reason why I want remy and blue nocturn in sf 6

[@davion_4623]

There is a weird disconnect between "old fighting gamr broken, half the cast sucks and hit boxes are misplaced and i love it for that" and "new game broken i hate it"

[@danishiqbal2963]

Yeah. I noticed that. Probably old game had charming that player overseeing. Or just nostagita blind. Or people get too soft today lol

[@basketcaseface813]

@@danishiqbal2963People def too soft nowadays and just don’t wanna learn new mechanics and shit

[@TheLivingShadow_]

I do think 3rd strike always has the fun out of being like "I coulda parried that". Even with the strongest characters like Chun the counterplay is very obvious and simple in theory if not to do practically. I can't say that for a lot of old games, and half the cast not having a tool like that makes them feel more unplayable, rather than just disadvantaged.

[@JustTryHard_Juth]

I think it's an issue with how the balance on old games can't be fixed while in new games there's an expectation for there to be balance. People would definately like an game more if it had better balance, but since they already have a meta set in stone, as well as the fact that it won't be updated more makes people go "Oh, silly 3rd Strike!" while complaining about sf6's balance actaully gets people somewhere which makes people ciritcize it more.

[@Canalbiruta]

​@@danishiqbal2963i mean, i got into fighting games in the past 10 years and i consider 3rd strike my fav fighting game, so definitely not nostalgia. Thing is, most of these games are super fun outside of the broken stuff or are ssf2x type of shit, being broken is the fun.

[@brayenmorrison3199]

Gee, Ya Think So? Poor, Sean and Remy.

[@heksevillehero]

It's amazing how Hugo, who is also bad, looks amazing in comparison to those two.

[@janematthews9087]

​@@heksevilleherothank vanao for making Hugo a viable character for years and keeping him up the tier list. The same was Itazan keeps the fear of grabs in people's hearts and keeping him in contention when it comes to tiers.

[@AmeNGO758]

Meanwhile, Twelve: 💀

[@heksevillehero]

@@AmeNGO758 He's called Twelve cause he dozen do damage

[@Altares_V]

@@heksevillehero BRB need to gouge my eyes out

[@mvscowner]

I played this video accidentally on max volume in my kitchen, scared the daylights out of my family with the beginning LETS GOOOOOO!!!!

[@AyeYoYoYooo]

“STREET FIGHTER 3 COLLECTION” … featuring all versions / revisions, of all 3 titles in the series. Including the options to use the original soundtracks, and arranged soundtracks, in any revision/version. But also allowing us to play in levels/themes/stages from SF3: New Generation, and SF3: 2nd Impact, within 3rd Strike. … imagine playing WIDESCREEN 3rd Strike, but in ELENA’s 2i NIGHT BRIDGE stage/theme/soundtrack, for instance. Or widescreen 3rd Strike, on Necro’s DNB train lab stage. …. but also to play all stages from all 3 title in WIDESCREEN MODE. On all versions/revisions, of all 3 titles Same for CVS COLLECTION.

[@SinisterF.]

sorry if I'm being mean but keep dreaming

[@wildwest1832]

rollback netcode, and crossplay. Good tutorials like 3S online edition has already just use that

[@AyeYoYoYooo]

@@wildwest1832 Very excited to see how good the online experience is with this. Optimistic! As for OE, Iron Galaxy did a good job with 3rd Strike Online edition, on every single aspect, except for the ones I mentioned, and I (& many others) didn’t appreciate the new audio additions, which were meant to sound like more contemporary rap at the time of the port, but were corny, and haven’t aged anywhere near as well as say, the NG arranged album, 2i’s spectacular soundtrack, OR the PS2 Arranged 3rd Strike soundtrack, which had greatly improved audio over the original arcade 3rd Strike’s low quality audio (which is what 30th featured, exclusively)

[@shonenbois]

Still to this day, the Evo moment of Ken’s parry against Chun Li is such a legendary moment

[@Fishman465]

And that's likely why it's the go-to ver of the these days

[@heromedley]

literally everyone and their mother knows that shit

[@vintageseinfelddvd]

This entire vid is essentially just 26min of max watching third strike video essay while constantly unapologetically advertising Garou. And I’m ALL FOR IT !!!

[@mechaman5000]

Yun is playing SF Alpha Chun is playing Turbo

[@wildwest1832]

I heard instead of 3S online edition they were going to make an HD remix for 3S and balance chun/yun, but the community wanted OG unchanged 3S so we got that instead, and the rest is history.

[@kitestar]

I generally refer to just defends as a “inverse parry with way stricter timing” I say inverse in terms of the input being away from the attack/projectile like you are guarding, rather than towards an attack/projectile

[@taylord5381]

At this point, I'm convinced every fighting game is broken.

[@RippahRooJizah]

If every fighter is broken, then none are broken. All are balanced.

[@cactusdragon3553]

The one's that are not broken are boring

[@gentlguy1101]

You could literally go to youtube search and type "fighting game is broken" and the first result is a playlist that has all the latest fighting game is broken videos. I love fighting games so much.

[@HealyHQ]

@@RippahRooJizah as all things should be.

[@the1truepickaxe298]

You're not wrong

[@ruggedlemmings9163]

Love how the video goes along titling each section as a specific mechanic or specific things that certain characters can do...all things considered to be issues with the game. Then it gets to the Chun-Li section and it's just labeled "Chun-Li." The Queen is, herself, an issue with the game. Love at the end of her bit "Also her stage is annoying because of this table." Just everything about her is a pain in the butt to deal with. xD

[@BlackManTalksRock]

It's "Broken (featuring Amy Lee)," but it's my kind of broken.

[@din_5817]

The more I learn about third strike, the more it feels like it's held together by sheer willpower. I had no idea this game even had port priority of all oversights, but it does! And I have no idea what to do with this cursed knowledge LMAO

[@Fishman465]

This is an interesting lesson that latest rev isn't always perfectly balanced. I do wonder what caused such a shift in balance as I get the impression that 2nd impact was better in balance. But 3S had the fortune of having a magical moment. Also I think some meta things have evolved in the fightcade ecosystem

[@MohcinelampAssnanelamp-qs9wd]

I'm happy my guy guilewinquote getting recognition

[@alyasVictorio]

Back then, we had no idea about the roster balance of SF3 Third Strike, until now thanks to its players passionately figuring out every gameplay interaction from past all the way to today

[@andersross4011]

The version of Third Strike in the PS4 Anniversary Edition is good. But it does not have Shin Akuma as a selectable hidden character.

[@subzerodark]

Who ready get destroy by Terry in streetfighter 6.

[@DarkZeroUnit]

we gotta know how he plays first and how mai plays as well. do they nerf him so he's balance or leave him as is?

[@chasepalumbo2929]

Me 🫡

[@juggernautvixx]

I saw a gif in some website that showed how to charge Ryu's Denjin faster. You hold the punch button you started the super with + you tap between diagonal top right and diagonal bottom left + tapping the other two punch buttons. So: hold a punch button to start the super, tap opposite diagonals + mash the two punch buttons left.

[@Ramsey276one]

Hmmm

[@Te_LaSoul]

Only person ive ever seen do the Makoto 100% combo in tournaments is that tominaga dude

[@Someguyonline24]

Hell yeah, I was hoping he’d cover this vid

[@AlucardsQuest]

That thumbnail makes it look like Chun Li's hand is broken.

[@brandonfarfan1978]

This was really nice and fun to watch. Thanks to Max, and the people who made the Third Strike video, featured in Max's vid.👍😄

[@Protoplanetary]

SF3 has Melee syndrome where the entire roster is horribly balanced but among the viable characters the balance is amazing so it's still an enjoyable game for competition

[@krelbin]

I think you should check out the 8-bit big band cover of “take you for a ride”. It’s awesome and I think you would love it.

[@gh0rochi363]

The entire MVC series, MK9, etc. broken games are the best. What fighting game is considered the best in a series and it's super balanced?

[@jimmyhoffa5063]

Divekick?

[@Frontera117]

GAROU MOTW.

[@gh0rochi363]

​​@@Frontera117 Mark of the Wolves top 4 is actually broken. That game is not balanced 😂. You also have totally garbage characters like Rock.

[@Smartlad09]

Street fighter 1, its making it to EVO next year, calling it😤

[@Frontera117]

@@gh0rochi363 in the SWC there Rock players. GAROU all Characters, Even Freeman have win posibilities. In SF3 The most Characters Are Trash. In GAROU MOTW You are pointing One char Even youre Wrong.

[@ChazDemNanners]

I just want Sean to not suck, man.

[@Ronin-kk4bt]

Lmao🤣

[@ODDiSEE_]

Gotta play, I think, second impact for that.

[@emanuelealfieri9]

DON’T CALL ME DAN!

[@Mr._Anonymous342]

dan, sakura, laura, sean will be in sf6, they'll be the best 4 duo ever

[@xS1D3SW1P3x]

Second Impact is your answer

[@ayaiken]

i like the idea of replacing skill issue with player 2 problem

[@Ramsey276one]

Single Player: Skill Issue Multiplayer: Player 2 Problem

[@Neverfate]

Justice for Remy is SF6!!!! 😂

[@robertbouley7697]

*MvC 2&3 chuckle nervously* 😅

[@Korosivv]

The best games are kusoge with heart. MvC as a franchise is broken kusoge, and I adore that about it.

[@Rob_Enhoud]

3s is a great game to enjoy at a level beyond casual, but not quite tournament.

[@pscwplb]

I watched Jazzy Circuit last night and saw an Akuma vs Yun match. Yun activated Genei Jin more times than Akuma threw normal fireballs.

[@swingthatthing]

im definitely checking out city of wolves, never played one before but the new one looks mint

[@heyyalexis477]

9:51 as a beginner trying to learn makoto i thought that i was having problem with the HP > SA2 cancel just because of a skill issue, but i guess not then lol

[@arnoldohernandez9242]

Yes, forward press parry is busted

[@WanArk86]

Guile Win Quote and Theory Fighter videos was my favourite ones to watch if I want to relax.

[@JackTR21]

I love these "x is broken" fighting game videos. The UMVC3 one (which is the first one i know of) was amazing as well

[@ZenPaladin]

Guile win quote. Probably went home to be a family man.

[@Ryzora]

i got the Ken and Makoto neutral throw bug the only time I got to play a 3s cabinet a few years ago when I was in Philly

[@eljoker7109]

I just hopped back online on the street fighter 30th anniversary collection last night.

[@ttarion]

15:34 It's in Brawl too, it's so bad some people consider the Snake ditto to be a losing matchup for P1

[@javi994]

Nobody can escape from port priority 😂

[@paulblankenship1146]

To parry out of aegis set up is down parry, back parry into forward parry if I remember correctly.

[@gamerkingdom1442]

This video is very impressive to have some stuff that even MAX didn’t know about 3RD STRIKE!

[@Mahdi12]

I watched that before, I love those types of videos.

[@DevaPein]

As daffy duck would say.... "those are just quirks"

[@MauZangetsu]

YES! GuileWinQuote getting the recognition he deserves!

[@joaquinbitancor1269]

It would be cool if he could react to other videos of this kind like the super turbo or the SF4 one

[@TimeSpliTT]

an ad every minute is just great

[@bloodeagle6458]

Guilewinquot, desk and chaosvisoin must've lost there shit when they saw the news

[@Ramsey276one]

Is the last one spelled right? Link please??

[@bloodeagle6458]

@@Ramsey276one khaosvision

[@justevolve]

Max I would love to see you do a rate the music sf6 edition but it includes all previous and sf6 music

[@GinkgoPete]

GuileWinGOAT He is honestly such a great and wholesome creator that just embodies the spirit of playing anything that says "Fighting game" on the box, with your friends.

[@n_cruz144]

Sggk also covers wake up throw by teching the throw

[@TkBloch]

Yes

[@wads80z]

What would happen if someone patched 2nd impact Ibuki or Sean into the game, rather than their nerfed versions? Would they be competitive?

[@SinisterF.]

probably

[@allstardumbazz4773]

Max watches 3rd strike videos like it was his high school prom or a wedding Those good old days hit hard

[@keylimecookies]

I’ve seen a Remy and a Ryu and makoto win pretty big tournaments this year alone

[@absoul112]

Okay, I was unaware of that website at the end.

[@snootlongbottom]

Love to see you react to more creators fgc content! As long as the creators are cool with it of course

[@syrup3299]

i sure love pausing unpausing and going back

[@Oliphunk]

LET'S GO!

[@vuton7670]

3rd strike: Just Do Stuff that should be the title.

[@Davethe3rd]

Do his Super Turbo video next!!

[@silvershudo7093]

I've been obsessed with GuileWinQuote's videos recently. Love his videos, 100% recommend checking them out.

[@tylerbacoka4248]

yeah its down to parry a double sider....but....

[@WarrenGdog28]

The fighting game i want to see make a come back is Art of Fighting

[@crazysaturn0803]

Make a ranking for every mvc game

[@thetruthisoutthere5173]

EVO 2024 will be Yun vs Yun and Yun vs Yun, just to see which Yun is the best Yun of all Yuns.

[@JonathanHT0]

It’s cool seeing you react to this since you could give more info about the topics. Maybe you could do the same for the video like this on SSF2 Turbo and USF4

[@basskitproductions4380]

Akumas slow grab, “MMMMMMMMM” 😂😂😂

[@Flarestorm]

Does anyone know if Max has seen the Umvc3 is broken video?

[@jahithber1430]

LET'S GO JUSTIN!

[@dtwelve2086]

i never knew this game existed till recently

[@Sh1znitz]

With mvc coming back to the systems, I would predict mvc2 in the next evo!

[@Polymathically]

People who have never played: 3rd Strike is perfectly balanced! Me, who's mained Chun-Li and Twelve: 3rd Strike is BS! The only saving grace about playing as Twelve is that the vast majority of opponents don't know the matchups. And despite all the memes/jokes, Twelve DOES have combos. But they start as aerials and go have inverted priority. They go Heavy -> Medium, Heavy -> Light, Medium -> Medium, or Medium -> Light. Seriously, fire up Training Mode and try it. They're also easier to perform on cornered opponents. Neutral Medium Kick has some great stun damage/easy confirm in SA1. SA1 functions as a counterpick against characters with projectile supers. Inputting a back dash after an aerial block attack lets Twelve back dash anywhere between halfway or completely across the screen, depending on the strength of the attack. As for combos: That back/forward throw that everyone jokes is Twelve's max damage attack is 14 (with 11 stun). However, that's nothing but an old meme. Here's what Training Mode says: Aerial HK + Standing MK = 21 (23 stun). Aerial HK + Crouching MK = 20 (15 stun). Aerial HK + Standing/Crouching LP = 17 (15 stun). Aerial HK + Standing/Crouching LK = 18 (15 stun). Aerial HP + Standing MK = 18 (25 stun). Aerial HP + Crouching MK = 17 (17 stun). Aerial HP + Standing/Crouching LP = 14 (17 stun). Aerial HP + Standing/Crouching LK = 15 (17 stun). Aerial MK + Standing MK = 15 (21 stun). Aerial MP + Crouching MK = 14 (13 stun). Aerial MP + Standing/Crouching LP = 12 (13 stun). Aerial MP + Standing/Crouching LK = 13 (13 stun). Aerial MK + Standing/Crouching LP = 11 (11 stun). Aerial MK + Standing/Crouching LK = 12 (11 stun). There's also Aerial HP + L AXE = 14 (19 stun). Aerial HK + L AXE = 17 (17 stun). Aerial MP + L AXE = 12 (15 stun). Aerial MK + L AXE = 11 (13 stun). L AXE combos into SA1. However, there are easier ways. The damage changes slightly because the hitboxes on the spikes are inconsistent and it depends on how close the character sprites are, but the numbers that come up most consistently are: Aerial HP + SA1 = 42 (27 stun). Aerial HK + SA1 = 45 (25 stun). Aerial MP + SA1 = 37 (14 stun). Aerial MK + SA1 = 37 (14 stun.) Hope this helps you figure out how Twelve works and gets you (and others!) to give it a chance. Have fun! 10:58 Yes, the way to parry out of it is to down parry the first hit of Aegis Reflector, and then block Urien's regular attack; the pushback will cause your character to move out of Aegis range. It's fun watching Urien players panic when they realize their trusty unblockable won't work.

[@Polymathically]

As for Twelve's ground moves, there are only a couple of things worth mentioning aside from the L AXE into SA1 combos. First is Neutral MK. Like I mentioned in the first post, it's essential for pressure tactics due to how easy it is to combo into, its relatively fast recovery time, as well as how much stun it does. 8 damage (11 stun) on Ryu might not seem like a lot, but it adds up very quickly; it only needs to connect 7 times to stun him. The hitbox makes the stats inconsistent, but the best I could get on a cornered Ryu with Standing Neutral MK + SA1 = 45 damage (24 stun) with all 9 hits. That's not bad at all. Then there's EX NDL. It can be used as anti-air, even though it's probably safer/easier just to crouch walk out of the way. Since it tracks, it can also hit/juggle opponents who try doing cross-ups. However, EX NDL has one other use: a corner juggle. If a standing opponent doesn't block it, they'll knocked into the air and vulnerable to a follow-up attack. This can be: Standing/Crouching LP = 10 damage (7 stun), Aerial LP/LK = 10 damage (11 stun)/11 damage (9 stun), Standing/Back/Crouching MP = 14 damage (14 stun)/15 damage (14 stun)/12 damage (11 stun), Standing/Back MK = 14 damage (14 stun)/15 damage (14 stun) Standing/Crouching HP = 17 damage (18 stun)/11 damage (9 stun), Standing/Crouching HK = 16 damage (15 stun)/16 damage (7 stun), L NDL = 14 damage (7 stun), L/M/H Standing AXE = 14 damage (11 stun)/15 damage (11 stun)/17 damage (11 stun), Standing/Aerial EX AXE = 18 damage (11 stun)/17 damage (11 stun), and SA1 = 23 damage (13 stun). Again, the damage is slightly more or less depending on the hitbox. I never use this juggle, but it is technically an option.

[@ricster1978rh]

That was a great video and long live street fighter👏👏👏

[@DougABunch]

if u could do this analysis for mk3 and then mk the 3d version that would be lit

[@zentariablackgatech.3945]

it would be hilarious if Max watches ShingoBeats' Bronze Age Akuma Tech videos lol XD

[@T.xvii.17]

19:20 didn't know you can do universal overhead into hyoku-sen. is the universal overhead cancelable for other characters too?

[@Metalpug79]

So, between PS4/5 & Switch, which console platform is the one to get? (And for what reasons? more players, online performance etc.)

[@Demoncradle]

There is a patched version of 3s, it’s the B board and was used for the Dreamcast port

[@Ramsey276one]

0:46 OMG XD

[@milahchan6225]

Kara Demon rage made me rolling 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 like "Yuuupp Zooooommm!" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@mrcwillis6970]

Oh boi..

[@Turtletech_]

Anyone else catch that Aegis reflector at 10:28 ....he crouched short kick while Sean was blocking high got no punish....🤨..I didn't see a super flash movement flick of standing to crouch either lol

[@anokajdm53]

why does Max stream at night?

[@iceman10129]

Id be down to see Makoto come back.

[@terry-]

Great!