It Took Nine Years To Hit Mario Kart Wii's HARDEST Skip!

[@Abyssoft]

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[@NicoTheCinderace]

No.

[@MegaShrooom]

the segway you did into the ad midsentence was infuriating ngl

[@LoganL2008]

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[@Carter-Grove]

@@MegaShrooom I thought it was pretty smooth.

[@brandonboyce6408]

it should be only the person and the controller nothing else should count/matter

[@toatakanuva4846]

If there’s anything I learned about speedrunners, it’s that no matter how much odds are against them, as long as something is humanly possible, they will eventually do it

[@Kaitri]

And thats one of the things i live about warching speedrunners

[@Wumbo_the_Mumbo]

I'm jealous of the dedication of top runners.

[@Arisawa_Heavy_Ind]

@wumbo_the_mumbo you do realize that they are essentially wasting their entire life right? That level of dedication is better spent on literally anything else that gets you somewhere in life even if its just going for a run lol

[@Kaitri]

@@Arisawa_Heavy_Ind how many ppl can use their passion and energy on something work related?

[@manunova5929]

​@@Arisawa_Heavy_Ind Going for a run doesn't feel fulfilling. You also get a lot of respect and recognition from the community. In some cases, even money. That said, real speedrunners care more about self-improvement and being number one than fame. You don't have to relate to it, but if you watched this video it does mean you have some sort of respect or curiosity for it.

[@glennrugar9248]

I love how mario kart speed running went from race as fast as you can, to do some shenanigans and skip all the laps almost every time

[@erik3371]

That happened like 20 years ago.

[@tony6666]

No-glitch WRs happen significantly more often than glitch WRs

[@Ascension721]

I love no glitch runs tho

[@k-berry8771]

Is an entirely different category and taste really, thats why there are separate categories

[@zcubed1]

Really cool that you made a video showing the MKW community in a positive light. Thanks for helping this huge milestone reach a wide audience.

[@alimbis]

is it usually shown in a negative light

[@howisthis8849]

​@@alimbisgreat question

[@wadespencer3623]

@@alimbis Seriously, this just makes me suspicious of the Mario Kart community. What are they doing that they are usually portrayed negatively?

[@ScyrousFX]

What are you on about? There's no drama or negativity surrounding MKW or its community. If anything, the game and its community are thriving.

[@wio1]

@@ScyrousFX I hope you are being sarcastic.

[@tealbricks]

I haven't played Mario Kart since I was a kid with a Super Nintendo, but I am endlessly fascinated with speed running videos. I love to see where the game has gone and how good the current players are. It's nostalgia on steroids.

[@tokichvideos]

I'm not a speedrunner at all, so this is a more casual opinion, but while I'm not sure about ghosts I personally don't see an issue with metronomes at all. It's simply a tool to help with timing and tempos. It's pretty customizable these days and now comes as a ton of downloadable apps, but the fundamental use is still the same. For example: I play a violin and using a metronome is extremely common. What is does is help me keep a steady tempo, sound with certain notes, and I can slowly practice at higher and higher speeds until I get to where I want/need to be. What it doesn't do is magically give me the ability to do any of that and still requires a lot of practice, which the tool is only used for and not during concerts or auditions. I would assume the same can be said for speedrunners. The metronome only helps players know when to hit certain buttons or move in a certain direction, it doesn't actually assist in doing any of that. Now if it could be hooked up in a way to make the player do things on a specific beat then that'll be a major problem. But helping with timing these extremely precise movements? No, in my eyes that's just finding a problem where there isn't.

[@bendrowned8506]

honestly really like this angle!

[@zym6687]

>practice, which the tool is only used for and not during concerts or auditions. Yeah, this isn't practice though.

[@towellight9400]

@@zym6687 Many drummers use click tracks while performing at concerts. Click tracks are essentially the same as a metronome with added features. So, some musicians do use them during concerts.

[@CoronaKirisame]

​@@zym6687 during concerts or auditions, you usually tap your foot for a sort of metronome; let alone that when during concerts specifically, one of the conductor's main jobs is to be a metronome, among other things

[@Nico2718_]

1:04 a very small correction: at least when it comes to the TAS scene, 26/32 tracks have an ultra shortcut, and if we talk about glitch skips in general, 31/32 have at least one. Also, 3 tracks have an ultra that unfortunately doesn't save time, so it's a longcut, but still the ultraSC exploit can be basically performed in 29/32, at least for TAS. Besides that, great video! I really enjoyed all the details about the difference between setups, that's very cool!

[@nucg5040]

wha are the tracks where the usc route is longer than the regular route

[@Nico2718_]

@@nucg5040 Quick disclaimer: a skip, if it's slower for a full 3 lap run and it only saves time in a flap (fastest lap, so you use all shrooms in a single lap and don't care about setups in the previous lap, you just take the time in that current lap), it's still considered a shortcut because it still saves time. While those are longcuts because they don't save time even in a flap. In cronologic order of discovery: GCN mario circuit 3: it originally was discovered as a 3 shroom ultra ( kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqnJqKSCbdeamNUsi=VDtRemrfRDjshEKF ), but it was just slower even for a flap compared to simply taking the regular grass shortcut and keep the 2 shroom for other stuff; then, a (non ultra) glitch SC was discovered on the track which required 1 shroom, making the ultra even slower, but a way to make the ultra with 2 shroom in order to go for the glitch SC afterward was found, but it still ended up being slower: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aX7Il4CLlquebrcsi=nJcOUeHE1nCeaugu GCN DK mountain: probably the craziest one by far, it doesn't even look like a skip, but while in mid air Daisy crosses the finish lines, then exists the checkpoint, then go around the first key checkpoint (which is very close to the finish line) and landing further, effectively skipping a key checkpoint: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aX-noYeimtV8btEsi=LX8kqzTkXaqCGVOBl DK summit: besides the first one (that skips the first key checkpoint similarly to the GCN DK mountain one) all the other skips don't skip key checkpoints and are therefore used in the no ultra category as well, so the actual ultra itself doesn't save time: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aaebp2Wsn9eGrbcsi=cnm21woLRkNNNPqC If you're wondering, the 3 tracks that don't have any ultra are Toad's factory, DS delfino square, and SNES Mario circuit 3, and talking about glitch skips in general the first 2 still have one (Toad's factory has the box clip and DS delfino square has a super grinding into wall clip skip at the beginning, done in TAS)

[@Nico2718_]

@@nucg5040 actually, small update: I went through the TAS discord server, and GCN mario circuit ultra because an actual shortcut since this winter! I know they are super delayed with new TAS uploads so it makes sense, but yeah, that's the 27th ultraSC then

[@campbellblock3061]

31/32 glitch skips? If you mean just having unique tas categories, that is actually all 32 tracks now.

[@Nico2718_]

@@campbellblock3061 yeah I know I know, the thing is that the video was talking about actual skips (to explain how broken the game is), and superhopping, although it's clearly a glitch and deserves to be in the no ultra category, it's not a skip; if anything, the shroomless wallclip off-road cut is a skip (in the end, was that classified as a no ultra run a no glitch? Idk 😅), but that's a big stretch, like the skip itself is very much intended. That's why I say that rMC3, although it obviously has a glitch category, it doesn't have skips.... Unless I missed something of course

[@matigamer329]

SummoningSalt taking notes for the third ultra shortcut video: WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN!!!!

[@SuperGameFan77]

When it comes to using ghosts and metronomes, I think it hardly matters. They are fair tools that everyone has access to and the tricks that they help still require quite a bit of skill.

[@rachael5300]

Okay, I must admit that the segue into the ad section was hilarious and unexpected. You're not getting my money but you got my laugh.

[@CowMaam]

as someone who plays this game and has made this glitch- people saying a metronome is cheating are not educated on the difficulty of this glitch, and are devaluing this. even with a metronome, and even with the alignment ghosts- this is really, REALLY hard to 3/3. saying that a metronome is a tool-assist is very much not the case; a tool assisted speedrun meticulously goes through every individual frame and specifically programs the inputs. a metronome makes timing the glitch rta SLIGHTLY easier, still with incredibly precise inputs. i feel like saying that’s tool assist is diminishing the insane efforts the community and top players have gone through over these years!

[@CowMaam]

of course people are allowed opinions, but it is worth mentioning that the mkwii community near unanimously agree that both alignment ghosts and metronomes are acceptable

[@towellight9400]

Yep. Professional drummers use a click track when playing. I don't see any issue with a metronome.

[@Seergun]

I don't know how some people think when it comes to tools like this. Are you not allowed to refer to notes you've taken beforehand or something? Are you not allowed to look at your time to maybe see where you are in a cycle?

[@webbowser8834]

Yeah, Metronomes are a no brainer. Ghosts are a slightly closer call, but given that ghosts can be done in game I think they are fine. When you start modding the game that's when you could potentially run into some issues, but even then some communities will allow an exception if the tool in question is easily available for free. Ultimately the rules for any given speedrun category is up to the runner that run said category.

[@zym6687]

Nah there's lots of things that aren't programming inputs frame by frame but are most definitely tool assisted, I don't think anyone would argue that using save states to do 3/3 would be undebatably tool assisted despite every input being done by a human. This uses external tools never intended by the developer to be used as part of the gameplay and external tools to create tas ghosts. It's not cut and dry like you think, its not my game, but to say it's not tool assisted is an insult to the definition of the words "tool" and "assisted".

[@shinigamimiroku3723]

Awesome! I remember seeing this on SummoningSalt's Ultra Shortcuts video and thinking, "This one looks like it could be possible 3/3 RTA."

[@ShiningDarknes]

As long as the TAS ghost file is available to everyone I see no reason to ban its use, I mean ghosts are an intended feature of the game. using a tool to create an optimized ghost still requires the player to perform the inputs.

[@NicoTheCinderace]

+1

[@losveratos]

Disagree. The meaning of TAS is tool assisted speed run. If you needed to use a tas to make the ghost and then you’re using this ghost to assist your run… in what world did you not just do a tool assisted speed run? Was the tool not assisting them? Ok great… they can turn it off. Oh, but then they can’t do it anymore? Then I guess it was assisting them after all and the run was a TAS. Even the metronome is a tool that is assisting them during the run. Thus creating a tool assisted speed run.

[@irastris]

@@losveratos You speak a truth I fear most aren't ready to accept 😔

[@shucklecopter8271]

@@losveratos this is such a pedantic way to define "tas" and is completely out of touch with how the term is used in the speedrunning community lol

[@lemonadogirl4082]

@@losveratosYou're misunderstanding the "tool" in tool assisted speedrun here. It refers _specifically_ to a computer program that runs inputs fed to it and alters the game in specific ways (savestates/slowdown) to ease the process of optimizing the inputs to be programmed into it. Quite frankly, by your definition I could turn on a cheat code while playing manually, set an insane record, and just claim it's a new TAS, because what was the cheat code but something that assisted my run? But everyone, including you I bet, would rightfully laugh me out of the room, because that's not a TAS. As far as these specific examples go, I think both of them are fine. The ghost doesn't interact with your gameplay at all, and is an intended feature of the game being used in a way that's available to anyone. Even if the ghost was made via TAS, it's still up to a human player to execute well enough to perform the skip since from what I can tell the ghost isn't making the jump regardless-it's just sitting at the correct starting position, so the actual meat and timing of the skip isn't being assisted by the ghost in any way, that's all on the player's reaction time. As far as the metronome goes, as long as no separate party operates the metronome during the run, I honestly don't care.

[@modernNeanderthal800]

Practicing against TAS robots seems really similar to lifting weights in the gym Edit: Apparently, the gross part is that racers will submit runs with the TAS ghost turned on.... during the run

[@undisabled1552]

Or following signs in a maze? Idk. I'm all for practicing against them, but I think for a run to be submitted it should be without assistance

[@modernNeanderthal800]

@@undisabled1552 oh I do agree there. I didn't realize the recording was during the ghost. I 100% agree. I assume following a a perfect ghost will give a player subtle clues

[@undisabled1552]

@@modernNeanderthal800 yeah in the video they literally have the TAS ghost there to line up with every time. Seems a lil bit goofy, but hey, if the MKW community allows it then more power to them. Just feels icky to me

[@maxrichards5925]

I remember hearing about this trick years ago. It’s nice to see how it’s evolved over time & my respect for MK Wii glitch hunters & speed runners because of how much time they’ve put into this game. It’s the same as how I feel whenever I see a new Super Mario 64 speed run route is made that saves several seconds lol

[@canadianbakn]

My opinions on the metronome and ghost: first off I think communites should be able to vote and do whatever they prefer. However in my opinion metronomes are too difficult to police and monitor so they should be allowed, and I think that the ghost should be disallowed as practicing your lineup should be a skill that is rewarded.

[@Purpletrident]

There's a limit to how precise something gets where practice just literally doesn't matter anymore

[@BigCheeseSR]

how are you gonna monitor someone using a ghost unless they’re live doing attempts

[@CowMaam]

@@canadianbakn this is explained in the video, but QM makes practicing the lineup nearly impossible as even with the correct lineup and execution you are not guaranteed to make the glitch. unfortunately the argument that practicing the alignment is a skill that should be rewarded is flawed in this specific situation as perfect execution still does not always give results

[@undisabled1552]

Agree that metronome is far too difficult to police and ultimately just puts everyone on a level playing field. Also agree that TAS ghost in submitted runs is wack. If nobody can do it consistently without the TAS, then maybe it just.. doesn't get done. I don't see an issue with having it showcased as a novelty since nobody can do it without relying on the help of a TAS

[@shadowMKW]

glad to have helped for this!

[@dwt89_]

hi shadow

[@shadowMKW]

@@dwt89_ hi dwt

[@RickyAtz]

🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑

[@shadowMKW]

@@RickyAtz we gettin rich with this one 🤑

[@KaiMK]

my 🐐

[@iBenjamin1000]

I think I understand why a ghost with specific inputs or a metronome might be controversial, since they're technically tools that benefit the player in their inputs. but IDK, players still have to do button inputs or timing or whatever it is correctly to perform maneuvers. seems like it's just a way to assist players.

[@colonthree]

Whoever objects to TAS-ghosts also eats pasta with a single chopstick.

[@Mapl3Syrup]

They’re the kind of people who eat bananas for the shape

[@datboibinsky3203]

The best thing about gaming is how you have people that could easily have a degree in engineering or quantum physics but instead they decide to unravel the inner workings of a funny plumber man race game

[@angel_dot_data]

Metronomes exist to help keep the tempo, not to play the instrument in tempo for you. Metronomes are fine.

[@TheVeyron623]

0:30 that perfectly timed cut though XD

[@GuuchReborn]

crazy how meteonome is considered as bad as tas ghost

[@LieseFury]

crazy how either are considered bad at all

[@NightKev]

It's interesting that the devs put all these weird guardrails to prevent shortcuts, but the simplest of them all (only ever increment the key checkpoint value sequentially "1 -> 2 -> 3" ✅ "1 -> 8" ❌) is not used.

[@jeffreykoskey4757]

I love how we're playing virtual, electronic, disembodied cartoon racing games... Arguing about whether a METRONOME should be allowed. That's like saying that tapping your foot should be illegal in speedrunning 😂

[@Joshy-]

metronomes are fine, so long as you're doing all valid inputs in real time anything is fair game

[@BlaiseArath]

Man I love this videos ending just a little too much. Its like an essay on Logan's run and in the last 5 seconds "Oh yah someone else beat this score though"

[@IMC_123]

TAS ghosts SHOULD be allowed Metronomes SHOULD be allowed

[@Bloodstar-o7]

1. Using a TAS ghost in a racing game. - Controversial for normal racing, but for setting up a glitched run like this, I think it's fine. I mean, is there a better method for learning it? Trial and error didn't seem to be working for even the best runners. 2. Metronome - Should be allowed. It's not doing the work for you, just keeping a time or rhythm. This is different from the recent Karl Jobst video where they were using AI to bruteforce the best limited input TAS, then using a program that turned the timing into a rhythm game. In that case, the programs did ALL of the work. This situation shows why ghosts in racing games and AI should be used carefully. If you take out the skill required, the top scores are just beat immediately and the game becomes a dead game for runners. Not to mention, nobody will be impressed if you had to use too many gimmicks like AI finding the correct path for you. It's basically cheating, not a show of skill like exploiting bugs and glitches that require knowledge and execution.

[@gustavson1985]

Musicians are using Metronome, and nobody consider that cheating.

[@Eta_Hoyimi]

"People keep breaking our lap system we should add more of the same broken checkpoints!" Nintendo probably.

[@GlowstickLamps]

I think that metronomes and TAS ghosts would be useful for accessibility, as the learning curve of frame-perfect timings and other highly precise things is a big barrier to entry for many. In my opinion, these are just modern and more convenient forms of watching detailed guides for a particular track.

[@Winslinator]

Using a metronome and racing against ghosts is controversial now? give me a fucking break. what's next, i can't wear my glasses while speedrunning?

[@BennyMKW]

wind waker HD uses metronomes in their speedruns too!

[@taxirobot7219]

Using TAS ghosts for Wii specifically I think is totally fine because you can just download them off the internet without having to modify your console at all.

[@Obi-WanKannabis]

You can't play against a TAS ghost, but can you play against a replay of someone who lined up against a tas ghost? mmmmmmmmmmmm

[@matheuscastello6554]

awesome video, i really enjoyed it!! but a very anticlimactic ending! i imagine you had most of it recorded already but i think you could have held it back and talked about the 3/3 without respawn for a bit longer, right? it seemed like just a passing comment and it made the achievement feel so insignificant

[@Zoren364]

thank you

[@DayE114]

I love MKW TTs but I never visit the glitch side of things. I knew the gist of this but I loved hearing the finer details of the rSL glitch development in this video! Good stuff

[@KitsuneGB-hc9zb]

I love the new cinematic shots of the track you used!

[@Abyssoft]

Thanks, some games are fortunate enough to have tools that allow for those types of things to be created

[@latergator9622]

As someone who's main game is RuneScape, I never understood why people would get upset over metronome use 😂

[@reedwilliams1868]

TAS ghost for alignment is fine. Ghosts are an in-game feature meant for you to improve by playing against, this is intended usage. Using a metronome is a bit weird to me tho

[@beardalaxy]

Rules are going to be different for every game for a bunch of reasons, but I'm totally cool with TAS ghosts and metronomes here. For certain games I think even mods/external tools can be acceptable, like for skipping cutscenes or getting past RNG heavy sequences deep into a long run that otherwise doesn't have mechanics like that.

[@mr_inconspicuous]

I appreciate the way you end your videos, always makes me giggle

[@WojtekWawrow]

I'm not sure if 3:27 is the best segue ever or the worst one ever. Leaning towards both

[@Vok250]

Not bro cheering 2 bits to get his name on the WR vod

[@Cerialos]

cant even be mad credit where its due, good ad transition, aint even gonna skip it ill give u all that retention

[@aidenlilley1319]

Arguing against metronomes is really odd to me. The metronome doesn't effect the actual execution at all and everyone on the face of the planet has access to one. Where's the issue?

[@aidenlilley1319]

Actually I'll go as far as to say being against a _metronome_ comes from a misinformed idealized notion of speedrunning that simply isn't supported by reality. Simple external assistance being used to make precise tricks viable is _not_ an unusual thing, and should not be treated as a bad thing.

[@alfredomelgar5620]

12:58 omg Zoren has a excellent music taste

[@littlezimty]

From my perspective, the main negative of the ghost and metronome is that they're a potential barrier to entry or competitiveness. Otherwise they aren't aiding with the physical aspect of making the correct inputs only the mental aspect. Metroid Prime 1 or 2 has the tool that solves the maze for you. I can't recall a specific game but I swear I've heard some speedrunners reference using a controller notch to help line up a trick. These seem worse to me than the ghost and metronome unless there's something I've overlooked.

[@pbergakker]

Sware Jonge is Dutch for the Beagle Boys, which axplains his avatar.

[@axlthunder]

i see metronome usage in speedrunning as practically no different from musicians using them while recording or playing live(extremely common)

[@Ikeburningblue]

Tracing a tas ghost is like recreating an ai image and saying "I made this"

[@justlookaroundpeople]

Always a great day when Abyssoft uploads!

[@PhotoSang]

Came for the speedrun, stayed for the bouncy dvd cow

[@zym6687]

The amount of people in the comments still under the impression that the TAS ghosts are only for practice is STAGGERING.

[@mikaylee99]

it took nine yeareals to hit mario kart wiireals hardest skip

[@grandmastermario3695]

I actually use to have world records in Mario Kart, but Mario Kart on the GameCube version briefly on the category extensions board.

[@Shlonzs]

I love the moomoo meadows cow dvd screensaver on Logan’s stream 😂

[@FireWaia]

"You would think nintendo would have learned" Bro it took ONE GUY NINE YEARS to do this, id say they have done good.

[@charmandergamer1287]

Is Logan wearing a Lechonk head?

[@brliron6538]

Racing against a TAS ghost is a really smart idea, I love it. But I also understand why it wouldn't be allowed, I'm not sure whether I would vote to allow it or to ban it if I had to choose. Good thing I don't have to.

[@jivjov]

TAS-ghosts being used for alignment is fine, but i think maybe its own category?

[@tufab3494]

I've already hit it on single player Gran Prix, but only once in the race (because of the shrooms and the difficulty of course)

[@windows98alpha35]

Imagine what the CPU in the game must be thinking with people constantly ramming into a pole just to try and land on the otherside: "What the fuck are you people doing?! Juts GO THROUGH THE COURSE NORMALLY! WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING?!"

[@tacticalslyme]

Logan summoned me here

[@cc3]

It makes zero sense to call using the ghosts cheating, it's a glitched run designed to showcase what is possible when we pushing game to its limits.

[@Iceman1796]

Where do I find the ghost in 11:28?

[@reidleblanc3140]

I think a salt vid mentioned this years ago. I remember it. I like getting these speedrun lore updates

[@DonTinker]

It finally happened: Quantum Speedrunning

[@HELLRAISER02]

I think TAS ghosts are fine cuz theyre a tool for improvement, and matching a TAS is usually extremely hard still

[@ElectroTDS]

Pretty cool video, u should do MKDD next 🙂

[@bargiona]

Left a like for that SMOOTH segue

[@Zoren364]

great video

[@ErichKramer]

Metronome is a tool so it is a tool assisted run. Also, if you use a monitor or a chair those are tools and it should be a tool assisted run. Also any device for human input is a tool.

[@SlobberyPantsu]

I think the metronome is fine. You still have to follow it to get the inputs, and you could just listen to music at the same bpm if you really wanted to, so are we to ban music in speedruns too?

[@648]

I genuinely think that TAS ghosts and metronomes are fine to use. These allow to push the games limits further, prevent people wanting to cheat or using external tools to help with alignment - and it makes the game less frustrating, which is the most important part

[@TuftyTaltan]

Ohhhh so if I drive into a post at top speed, I'll get SMARTER? Okay!

[@gregorycocco9043]

This looks even more stressful than that chocomountain skip on the 64

[@D_Winds]

Free the Metronome. Ban the Glasses.

[@javen9693]

MALLEO MENTIONED 👺🥵🤯🤖🍭🎆

[@VirginiaRivera-h3j]

Ronaldo Branch

[@vezokpiraka]

"Using a metronome is controversial". Next thing you're gonna tell me is that using a chair and a house instead of standing in the forest is controversial for speerunning.

[@mkwiicore]

oh hey I used to have the record on this track

[@bradye21playsIndieHorror]

Just didn't feel right without a dramatic build up and music as the final triumphant record video plays. This video was just like, he broke it lol bye!

[@mageius]

Honestly, racing against the ghost isn't that bad. Even if it was created in a TAS, it's still technically possible to be done by a person, in which case there's no argument saying it can't be used.

[@JK-gm6kk]

Is using a metronome really controversial? Not to toot my own horn, but i have really good rhythm and timing from being a drummer for a long time. Are people gonna get banned from speedrunning for thought crime next?

[@LieseFury]

people will whine about anything. there's no issue with tas ghosts or metronomes.

[@resuemannet]

It worries me that as soon as I saw the title, I knew which track it was and where the skip was, despite never having played Mario Kart Wii. I think I watch too much speedrunning content.

[@Dr._Doppietta]

Both metronome and ghost are fair game, people who complain are clearly backseat players who never even attempted to speedrun any game. Otherwise, they'd know how much time-consuming and skill-intensive these strats are even with external help. They out there really believe anyone could hit these tricks thanks to a simple ghost. lmao

[@zPamboli]

I thought the most coveted skip was Rainbow Road Ultra Shortcut, has that been done in RTA?

[@xiutecuhtli15]

im not a runner of this game but to me it seems ok to use tas ghosts or metronomes or even like rubber bands on the controller or something. an autotapping macro seems questionable though

[@_r1nky]

Amazing video

[@witmilk6527]

Meanwhile in the trackmania community... *METRONOMES???*

[@RayAkuma]

I know game communities where skips like this would and have caused outrage 😂

[@patiojohn1748]

My friends, it finally happened.

[@LRXC1]

Logan’s rise up

[@SIDEWAYS255]

Metronomes are a problem? That's cute. I can understand the ghost thing a little bit, but in both cases it just feels like people crying over details when they should just "Get Gud"

[@KyrosQuickfist]

Even if the tool assisted run were considered not legitimate to use as a ghost, someone could simply race against the TAS ghost and upload a non-TAS'd version of that run and then you could essentially run against that. Heck, people could use these different WR runs as a ghost and race against those and you would not be racing against a TAS ghost. I bet semantics are argued a lot in you guys's circles.

[@B_aka_Scias]

Smoothest transition there lol

[@jeffwhite1334]

Lechonk is the real winner here