It Was So Fast, It Got Banned From Racing

[@anirudhsridhar6420]

The video is good but the 787B was never banned from Le Mans for being "too fast". The FIA announced that they were changing the rules and regulations for participating in the race and the 787B, which ran on a rotary engine, didn't meet those requirements so it would be banned from the next season

[@dylansmit3883]

Mazda even got a break from the FIA by being allowed to run without the 100 kg weight penalty the other old-style Group C cars got. Mazda themselves argued they weren't competitive and the rotary would be outlawed anyway so please no more weight. FIA/ACO agreed. That weight advantage helped the 787B to be more efficient and reduced stress on the engine, helping it to run longer stints and be more reliable. The rest was pure luck.

[@TinyBearTim]

The 787b was never fast it was a bad car it was a combination of luck and the fia fiddling with the rules that made them win The rotor was never banned because it was better

[@danielsizer2222]

Wasn’t it an old jag with a rotary motor

[@aggonzalezdc]

The 787 was a good car, it was impressive. If we ran that Le Mans 10 more times with the same competitors, it probably would lose 9 times out of 10, that's true. But I think it's a bit disingenuous to say it's a bad car, and Le Mans is about making sure your car can survive and you can stay competitive for 24 hours and capitalize on the errors of others. Was it the fastest car on the grid? No. Was it some good luck that got them the win, sure. But luck alone won't win you a Le Mans.

[@Skett_99]

It's still pretty good catching up to 3rd but the Mercedes is more unreliable making the 787b won

[@greigsanderson]

OK armchair warrior

[@TinyBearTim]

@@greigsanderson its not armchair warrior its the truth

[@dc-sc1vm]

the car wasn't banned because it was fast it was banned because of engine regulations which mazda were even late to apply

[@r32fan92]

The 787B was not a fast car. The reason it was outlawed in the Group C era was because the rotary engine didn't coincide with the 3.5l N/A engine rule that the FIA was placing on the prototypes. Hell, the only reason it raced in '91 was because Mazda begged the FIA for one more year, just so they could prove that the wankel concept worked.. If you look at the WEC Hypercar rulebook today, you'll notice that there isn't anything ruling out the rotary engine.

[@nikolabacvanski3372]

They downtuned 787, because of reliability, but after the race they looked at the engine and realized that they could have had the same power as the other cars and the engine would have lasted the whole race .. so we will never know how fast it really is

[@kayto101racer]

The 787b was not banned for being too fast. It was always going to be banned due to its engine being outlawed due to a change in regulations. The car was not fast.

[@Wild_stream064]

The 787B was only lucky. Mercedes was unlucky, Porsche hadnt updated their car in years and Jaguar IDK

[@fernando.espaniol.alonso]

It updated the 962 to thr 962 TS and they finished on P7(the best finish)

[@helloScuffed]

The Mazda team was the best among the competitors at Le Mans in 1991, so the Mazda 727B won the entire race. Luck has nothing to do with winning at Le Mans, if a car crashes due to mechanical failure, it's because of the way it was designed and manufactured, if a driver makes a mistake and crashes, it means it wasn't fully ready to compete in a 24-hour race. Endurance racing is a team effort, if Mazda won only by luck, then all Le Mans winners also won only by luck.

[@nikolabacvanski3372]

They downtuned because of reliability, but after the race they looked at the engine and realized that they could have had the same power as the other cars and the engine would have lasted the whole race .. so we will never know how fast it really is, it wasnt luck its just smart to play it safe... others wanted to be fast , but on le mans speed isnt only thing u need

[@saibotlegin]

Jaguar had too much fuel consumption too win

[@jorhop4005]

​@@helloScuffedMazda definitely got lucky by not having to run with the 100 kg of extra ballast their competitors had to run. All that extra weight doesn't help with reliability. If the Jaguars and Mercedes weren't so restricted Mazda wouldn't have had a chance.

[@afifislam3243]

Everyone is forgetting that Le Mans is all about endurance not about how fast you can go

[@jorhop4005]

No one is forgetting that, you can't ignore all of the historical context that lead to the other cars being unreliable that year. Mazda got lucky by not having to change their car or run with 100 kg extra ballast that Jaguar and Mercedes had too.

[@Skydrag.V60]

If you’ve ever driven a 787b in a racing game against other contemporary Group C cars, you’ll find that it’s actually not the fastest by any margin. It just got incredibly lucky at Le Mans and ended up being the most reliable car on the grid. I’m not trying to say that to insult the car or Mazda’s win, but it’s simply the truth.

[@javiersilva1577]

Dude I love your channel. I’ve watched all your videos, I don’t know how you don’t have more views. Honestly I think if you put the name of the car in your title that it would help. Your videos are never going to show up in a random search because the titles are so random. I just came across your videos by accident.

[@MotorLegends-stories]

Thank you for your feedback!

[@dawitgetachew831]

The “S” in LeMans is silent…

[@by0n1k97]

If you ever made a video about something of the 24 Hours of nürburg, it would be much appreciated and i would love it

[@MotorLegends-stories]

We can add it to the list 👌🏽

[@itmethang]

Mazda was one of the underdogs like Toyota and Nissan. Although the Rotary engine is reliable, it doesn’t go as fast as Mercedes, Peugeot, Jaguar or even Porsche. They only won Le Mans and not the other. Not that much of “Legendary” to me.

[@nikolabacvanski3372]

They downtuned 787 because of reliability, but after the race they looked at the engine and realized that they could have had the same power as the other cars and the engine would have lasted the whole race .. so we will never know how fast it really is

[@Marc-zi4vg]

....huh soo your telling me that an engine layout is still outlawed (not banned) from motorsport due to a rather restrictive and catastrophicly expensive regulation set from a now *Dead series* from 30 years ago? And having that layout raced only a couple of years later in the LMP2 category (the Kudzu LMP2)...yeah blud...yeah... "Banned" for sure!

[@CalebOrvik]

Give it credit it was fast, but in group C with cars like the C9 or xjr-9 no it wasn’t “too fast”.

[@Creality.R.Crooks]

Howdy Hound Dog. I vaguely remember something rather like this a couple of months ago, which begs that question of whether you maybe running low on material. I always wrote that I didn't want to mention any suggestions because your content was always more entertaining that anything I might think of. Now however, maybe it could be wholesome to gather from that word 'legends' some historical scope and examine some of the legends from back before the Toyota 2000, even back to the Bugatti Type 35, or the more interesting saloon cars, like the Cord or the Duesenberg. The Edsel? There are legends that never made the circuit but that doesn't make them less legendary. Perhaps just less entertaining to teenagers... See you next time.

[@bonovoxel7527]

I know it's a video about the Mazda 787B but I want to say 2 words you apparently forgot by half of the video. Three words: Johnny fuckin' Herbert.

[@agonzo626]

Just look at its racing history.. yeah it won it had to be there to win. But it wasn’t a winner in the overall championship. Kinda like Ferrari endurance rn, 2 lemans wins that’s it

[@jorhop4005]

Not really comparable tbh, the 499p has been a front runner in speed outside of Le Mans, the 787-b was usually a back marker outside of Le Mans 1991.

[@LucyCurtin]

The 787B wasn’t banned for being too fast It was banned because it had a Wankel Rotary engine, which was banned Wikipedia is really useful, you should use it

[@ChrisSmith-nq7to]

Bro is not cooking. Mazda made this car bc the fia had already mentioned the ban bozo

[@Yoyothewalmartbag]

keep up the good work!!

[@AMSOZ-SS]

Ha ha no it wasn't 😄😄😄

[@ROBOTRIX_eu]