It was SO GOOD that MotoGP CHANGED the regulations? Unique Z-line engine with 3 CAMS and 2 CRANKS.

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WierdBike

WierdBike

6 ай бұрын

Hello everyone, friends. Winning MotoGP on your own doesn't sound very realistic, does it? But to do this with the first American superbike, which has three camshafts, two crankshafts rotating in different directions, and 30 patents - that's already a conversation. MotoGP had to change the regulations, it was so good.
Have a great mood and enjoy watching!

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@williamrae9954
@williamrae9954 6 ай бұрын
Both Britton and Czysz taken way before their time by cancer...such a tragedy in both cases!
@wierdbike
@wierdbike 6 ай бұрын
Absolutely true…
@ryanbennett2227
@ryanbennett2227 6 ай бұрын
F cancer!
@lancelanphier9509
@lancelanphier9509 5 ай бұрын
Isn't this how anyone that's a threat to an industry or an idea is taken out anymore? It's not a coincidence
@vyrnmn
@vyrnmn 5 ай бұрын
@@lancelanphier9509it's time to take off the foil hat. it most definitely is a coincidence.
@lancelanphier9509
@lancelanphier9509 5 ай бұрын
@@vyrnmn and I bet you think the voting machines are legitimate too. .lol
@user-br4zr1eg2u
@user-br4zr1eg2u 6 ай бұрын
I always wondered what happened to this bike / engine, back in my Cosworth days I did some of the machining on some of the components. A very interesting and fresh design angle.
@brentbartley6838
@brentbartley6838 5 ай бұрын
The C1 actually made an appearance in the sequel to Wallstreet, Money Never Sleeps. Josh Brolin's character rides it in a scene where he's racing around some backroads with Shia Lebouf riding a Ducati Desmosedici. Unfortunately that was the closest the C1 ever got to racing a MotoGP machine.
@180FiftyFive
@180FiftyFive 5 ай бұрын
Wow, what was it like working in Cosworth? Sounds like an interesting experience. I always loved wrenching on my own motorcycles even though I have no education in that field at all - just learning everything on my own. Started with a small box of hand tools and worked up to a full garage, multiple motorcycles, all maintenance done by myself... I wish I knew what a petrolhead I would grow up to be much sooner - I'd have picked a career as an engineer or mechanic.
@therealmber
@therealmber 5 ай бұрын
​@brentbartley6838 That's actually Michael riding the C1. Iirc the stunt guy riding the ducati was surprised Michael leant on him with his elbow and Czysz was all "oh sorry, my novice movie riding mistake: the director asked for argy bargy so I just rode like we were superbike racing!" His blog used to be quite entertaining.
@user-br4zr1eg2u
@user-br4zr1eg2u 5 ай бұрын
Probably the highlight of my career, working on some cool stuff with good fellow engineers and some cool stories! But remember it is a buisness and when it takes a bad turn..you are then out of a job,I struggle now!@@180FiftyFive
@PixelRacer64
@PixelRacer64 4 ай бұрын
Collapsed project.
@blipco5
@blipco5 6 ай бұрын
I met Michael Czysz at the New York motorcycle show. Czysz had the original bike there where he used a modified GSXR engine as the test mule. It was beautiful and complete. I told him I liked the graphics and he was quite pleased. He was an intense man but took the time to carefully explain to me all its features and that all they did was basically cut the engine in half, flip one piece around, then weld it back together (his words). He was also looking for investors so I told him I would be interested in investing until he explained he was looking for one or maybe two investors to finance a whole team and bikes. Oh, I said. We laughed. I shook his hand and wished him luck. The news of his passing was sad.
@SPL170db
@SPL170db 5 ай бұрын
Met him at that same show as well. Definite shame that his legacy wasn't able to continue on into the future.
@stankygeorge
@stankygeorge 5 ай бұрын
Nice story, thanks for sharing!
@therealmber
@therealmber 5 ай бұрын
Wished I'd made more of an effort to meet him in the TTXGP/TTZERO context when I had the chance. If it's any consolation his dominance of that early phase of EMoto most likely would have translated to broad success these days, maybe he could have pushed it mainstream, he had that charisma. The E1pc was clearly designed to translate to a sellable road bike. He must've already been ill when I was around but you'd never have guessed by how hard he and the team worked.
@holmes1956O
@holmes1956O 5 ай бұрын
I am surprised a company petronas didnt jump on the financial end of that for him. Could have been big
@therealmber
@therealmber 5 ай бұрын
​@holmes1956O they were sponsoring Kenny Roberts' KR3 team, ie direct competitors
@anonimous2451
@anonimous2451 6 ай бұрын
Genius is often taken short of reaching it's goal. The goal here was reached but never fully realized in real world terms. This design is EXACTLY what the US Motorcycle industry needs to show prowess and engineering excellence. RIP Michael. You are a genius out of time and for that I am truly sorry I missed it. I surely respect your work and ingenuity.
@jfu5222
@jfu5222 5 ай бұрын
I'm more interested in the front suspension than the engine, that's an idea that deserves development.
@rvarsigfusson6163
@rvarsigfusson6163 5 ай бұрын
I think you can get some info on it by looking for Patent papers..... it was shown in the video.
@Edward135i
@Edward135i 5 ай бұрын
I'm from Portland and I was lucky to have met Michael Czysz at our local race track Portland international raceway before he passed away, at the time I had no idea that I was talking to a Gordon Murray, John Britten type of ledged.
@Walkeranz
@Walkeranz 6 ай бұрын
MotoGP did not change the rules because of this bike.
@wierdbike
@wierdbike 6 ай бұрын
Maybe not
@onecookieboy
@onecookieboy 6 ай бұрын
@@wierdbike No really, not because of this bike, it's a great design exercise, as was the Britten, but like the Britten, a long way from being fully developed and a serious contender. JB's bikes had a lot of potential when they first came out and were something to behold (I live in New Zealand and have seen them race many times) but unfortunately, they weren't very reliable and probably failed to finish more races than they actually finished. The V1000 needed a lot more work to really compete with the likes of Ducati, Honda and Suzuki who were the main competition in the 1000cc V twin market.
@dougiequick1
@dougiequick1 23 күн бұрын
I bet if you research it the rule changes were proposed way ahead of time like they are again even now with the future moto gp rules once again lowering discplacement from 1000cc this time to 850cc instead of the 800cc that helped kill this motorcycle. They dont change suddenly ever and the manufacturers must be oboard and have time to design all new bikes around the changes...maybe 150-200cc is not insane difference but you know it will effect a whole bunch of components of the design...enough that the motors at least will be all new...not like they will simply shorten the stroke and reduce the bore diameter a little. I recall the mid 80s Harley initiated tarrifs on Japanese motorcycles 750cc and larger....Overnight the big 4 retooled and simply made their 750s into 700s which SEEMS like it would not be a big deal but it killed performance on em! I bought an 85 VF700 Interceptor...what a DOG! Was cheap as hell though! 3500 out the door brand new and half the price of the very next bike I bought the Limited Edition 86 GSXR750 $6,999 plus tax and licence etc
@kieranh2005
@kieranh2005 Күн бұрын
​@@onecookieboybut when they went... My God did they go. Never saw one raced... just too young. Did see Andrew Stroud doing demo laps at Ruapuna. I raced production based 250's in F3.
@andrewpitt621
@andrewpitt621 6 ай бұрын
Never heard of this bike and creator, the thinking behind it, is just amazing, reminds me of john britton and eric buel with their out the box thinking , thanks for covering this and bringing to light, new sub 👍
@wierdbike
@wierdbike 6 ай бұрын
Thank you so much☺️ I have a lot of stories like this one👐🏻
@YAMR1M
@YAMR1M 5 ай бұрын
@@wierdbike Hopefully you can check your facts first and not look daft by getting it wrong or using click bait titles.. Counter rotating cranks were used in bike racing since 1987 when Honda used them in the NSR500 GP bike.
@wierdbike
@wierdbike 5 ай бұрын
Anyone said here that C1 was first in this???
@YAMR1M
@YAMR1M 5 ай бұрын
@@wierdbike you said counter rotating cranks didn't happen before 2000...
@ms-jl6dl
@ms-jl6dl 5 ай бұрын
​@@YAMR1M Someone has a sand in their va*ina...
@wallycunningham5090
@wallycunningham5090 5 ай бұрын
I met Czysz at the Nick Ienatsch school in Vegas. Really cool nice guy, seemed like a regular joe. Wasnt till later when one of the instructors talked about his development that i learned more of who he was and what he did. His early passing was a shock and a loss to the world for all that he still had to give.
@brambo5181
@brambo5181 5 ай бұрын
Echt beeindruckend, diese Innovationskraft und Genialität. Schade, dass es nicht so richtig geklappt hat, das mit dem Durchbruch. Wäre eine absolute Bereicherung gewesen.
@wayno23
@wayno23 Ай бұрын
Ive watched the Britten story & was amazed , but this motorcycle is just another level.
@bobbythompson3544
@bobbythompson3544 5 ай бұрын
So sad, very proud of Jeremy Mc Williams for his involvement, what a pity we lost these great minds, from a cancer survivor!
@superliegebeest544
@superliegebeest544 4 ай бұрын
I always wondered if there shouldn't be a competition where all the stuff that isn't allowed would be allowed like group b rally. There should be at least one league where there is no technical limitation. Just to enhance technology
@dougiequick1
@dougiequick1 23 күн бұрын
I think that was the original idea with grand prix racing but rules ALWAYS creep in ....at first it is safety but eventually it will include the FINANCIAL safety of big players and the race promoters desiring close competion....a race where cutting edge tech runs away every lap of every race? BORING! And if a leader is lapping and entire field? ULTRA boring! Similar to ball games with high scores vs ZERO for another team...it is hard to even watch any such annihilations ...I mean it is great for 5 minutes if you are a fan of the winner but then it is just too sad and boring
@rogerpartner2648
@rogerpartner2648 5 ай бұрын
Stunning ideas. Goes back to the old inlines of the early 30s. But the 2 of the cylinders counter rotation etc etc. and the gearbox and my man in surreys swinging arm linkages. Brilliant
@bazzingabomb
@bazzingabomb 5 ай бұрын
I remember this guy and his bike, he was a maverick and the bike was great. I didn't know he had passed away he came so close imagine what he and Britten could of achieved if they hadn't been taken before their time rip.
@rvarsigfusson6163
@rvarsigfusson6163 5 ай бұрын
@fabiena1787 I did read the first one as BRITTEN but after I did read yours pointed out the mistake I was forced to read it AGAIN..... yes you got it.
@ML-yk5zj
@ML-yk5zj 5 ай бұрын
Awesome video! Great job! Really enjoyed it and your format is solid. Keep up the great work, bud
@wierdbike
@wierdbike 5 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot))
@Drunken_Hamster
@Drunken_Hamster 11 күн бұрын
I love how it sounds. Incredibly unique for an even-firing 4-cylinder, 4-stroke engine.
@DustyVisorMotorcycles
@DustyVisorMotorcycles 6 ай бұрын
Worth the wait. Thanks for this excellent video! 😎
@wierdbike
@wierdbike 6 ай бұрын
Wait for more, thanks🥰🤝
@user-hg8wn9kh2w
@user-hg8wn9kh2w 4 ай бұрын
I've been around road racing bikes all my life. This bike is the most exotic I have ever seen. He reinvented the MOTORCYCLE. Very impressive.It would seem a big manufacturer would hire him in the R & D department department.❤
@Anders357
@Anders357 5 ай бұрын
Looks a bit like a 4 cyl version of VW VR6 ? For amazing engines i think Honda's 1979 NR500 with the "oval" pistons, V4, 32 valves 8 spark plugs was the most extreme. They also made a 250. NR500 was never successful but the construction was insane in 1979, trying to beat 2-strokes. Honda also introduced F1 active suspension using cameras to detect surface in front of wheel, allowing them to adjust suspension before car hit a bump. Active suspension is what made Williams win so much, even without the cameras. The 1986 F1 BMW Mpower M12/13 was also a fantastic engine, making so much power that the dynamometer at BMW could not measure it (max 1280 on dyno, motor had 1400). The most powerful F1 engine ever.
@esric50
@esric50 17 күн бұрын
What a glittering story of patience and brilliance; all that can be hoped is that the concepts will innure
@racer14glr91
@racer14glr91 6 ай бұрын
My sister, after i pitched it to her, pitched the show idea to Discovery Channel. I have a poster personally signed by Micheal thanking us. RIP Michael. I never met him, my sister did at the US GP when he rode it at Laguna Seca.
@RedBud315
@RedBud315 6 ай бұрын
I was at that race and that bike was unbelievably fast and so pretty. It wheelied out of every turn they have and sounded so awesome.
@meteorpower
@meteorpower 5 ай бұрын
@RedBud315 You do understand that wheelying out of every turn was because the suspension was so bad and the balance of the bike so wrong.
@RedBud315
@RedBud315 5 ай бұрын
@@meteorpower Maybe but, he lapped everyone except for 2nd place. That bike pulled really hard and sounded mean for the day.
@roybatty2030
@roybatty2030 4 ай бұрын
That Lancia Fulvia V4 engine was a thing of beauty, a pleasure to work on and drive.
@MrWilt100
@MrWilt100 2 ай бұрын
Just came across this and so saddened to hear of Michael's passing his bike was so evocative of a grunty, sexy and very well made bike I reckon he and John Britten will be having long discussions in that bike heaven in the sky.
@peterbarry4792
@peterbarry4792 5 ай бұрын
I met Mr Czysz at the International Motorcycle show in NYC. Amazing fellow. I wish I could have invested in that dream.
@dr.jillalicecooper2587
@dr.jillalicecooper2587 2 ай бұрын
Invested 20 bucks? 😂
@peterbarry4792
@peterbarry4792 2 ай бұрын
​@dr.jillalicecooper2587 sure..... it's not really interesting what you find funny.
@stankygeorge
@stankygeorge 5 ай бұрын
The problem with the Free-Market system is that it is not free! If you have the Benjimin's, then you can have the rules changed to illuminate the competition and this is exactly what happened to MOTOCZYSZ, the Ford GT 40, Tucker and too many others to mention. Corporations, hate competition!
@rvarsigfusson6163
@rvarsigfusson6163 5 ай бұрын
Competition is a sin. D.J.Rockefeller
@jmaros15
@jmaros15 8 күн бұрын
When you know the opposition are about to score you just simply move the goalposts.
@philipcorby7877
@philipcorby7877 6 ай бұрын
Thank you Vlad, Nice work.
@wierdbike
@wierdbike 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching, please subscribe👐🏻🙂
@Jason-bp9zr
@Jason-bp9zr 5 ай бұрын
Thank you mate really enjoyed watching.
@wierdbike
@wierdbike 5 ай бұрын
Thank you too🤝
@deanwcampbell
@deanwcampbell 2 ай бұрын
Thank god there was dance music in throughout the video!
@joeblow5037
@joeblow5037 5 ай бұрын
I still consider the Britten one of the most beautiful, brutal motorcycles I have ever seen. Damn you, Cancer!! 🤨
@rvarsigfusson6163
@rvarsigfusson6163 5 ай бұрын
Second that.... twice.
@howardsimpson489
@howardsimpson489 4 ай бұрын
One of his bikes is in Te Papa museum, Wellington NZ.
@olivertoeknuckleiii2093
@olivertoeknuckleiii2093 Ай бұрын
This was a prototype to test new designs. There were so many “revolutionary “ designs in it that it would be difficult to make it all work. But like the great Jon Britten, his out-of-the-box thinking would have driven the development of new design, had he not been struck down by cancer. There have not made any ‘real’ developments in suspension design for 100 years! But this was one of the coolest bikes ever produced, and I can only wonder what would have become….RIP sir. You did good.
@grahambird1570
@grahambird1570 Ай бұрын
It's such a pity they stopped producing the BUEL ! >> This is one of the Best Bikes I have ever Ridden todate ! I was involved in the Development of the Wheels in Adelaide - Australia in the 1990's !
@MichaelWhite-ks3ze
@MichaelWhite-ks3ze 5 ай бұрын
We definitely need more people like him.
@JETLYFIED
@JETLYFIED 5 ай бұрын
And we you were already impressed with Britten, here comes another genius.
@jamespink4202
@jamespink4202 2 ай бұрын
A remarkable story i was not aware of. What a world beater!!! John Britain's story is incredible, this is no less so!
@dr.jillalicecooper2587
@dr.jillalicecooper2587 2 ай бұрын
John Britain?
@oLoGoS
@oLoGoS 2 ай бұрын
hey vlad. videos are coming along nicely. however due to the technical nature of your channel it is sometimes difficult to follow along. nothing an editor for your script chouldnt handle. i am happy to help you with this process if you need it. good luck with your endeavours
@blast3613
@blast3613 5 ай бұрын
Reminds me of the movie 'Silver Dream Racer' , amazing work.
@Patriot-Logic
@Patriot-Logic 2 ай бұрын
I saw the bike at PIR. I want to meet the man but he was busy testing. Figured there would be time! Cancer robbed the world of this genius!
@michaelgautreaux3168
@michaelgautreaux3168 5 ай бұрын
Sad to think Michael is gone. RIP💐
@donaldwayne4219
@donaldwayne4219 5 ай бұрын
Amazing. Incredible engineering.
@LushmanGB
@LushmanGB 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for answering my question cheers
@rodger2499
@rodger2499 6 ай бұрын
This bike is true art.
@duncandrummond726
@duncandrummond726 5 ай бұрын
I thought the unit sales requirement was a WSBK thing, where MotoGP was for prototypes.
@wierdbike
@wierdbike 5 ай бұрын
Yeah right!
@brentbartley6838
@brentbartley6838 5 ай бұрын
He originally wanted the bike to compete in MotoGP, I'm not sure if the plans to sell road legal versions came before or after MotoGP dropped the displacent from 990 to 800cc but either way, if Czysz had made road legal C1's he wouldn't have been able to race them in GP. Rules prohibited the GP bikes from using any parts from road legal bikes. The WCM team got busted using Yamaha R1 engine parts (this was before the big recession and the short lived CRT bikes in GP, some of which used modded Aprilia RSV4 engines). He had also planned to race the C1 in Superbike classes but he never got the engines to be reliable. But they were said to have exceptional handling.
@ozfugs
@ozfugs 5 ай бұрын
This was very interesting and well made. But you really dont need the background music. It obscures your voice which is what we need to hear the most. If you must use music please use an EQ to notch out some room for your voice. And think about the stereo field. Those percussion noises sound like they are coming from somewhere else in my room which is pretty distracting. Sorry if that comes across as ungrateful or demanding. Its just I was really interested in this topic and the video was difficult to listen to. Thanks.
@larrynorsworthy8582
@larrynorsworthy8582 2 ай бұрын
I remember the original bike from magazines. Was very excited.
@MyZxcvb12
@MyZxcvb12 5 ай бұрын
I remember reading about this in motorcycle news UK years ago. The name stuck with me, Czyzs. It's so sad to find out the ending.
@dr.jillalicecooper2587
@dr.jillalicecooper2587 2 ай бұрын
Czysz not Czyzs
@MyZxcvb12
@MyZxcvb12 2 ай бұрын
@@dr.jillalicecooper2587 I was only going by how everyone else was writing it as I didn't any different thanks
@TheStriker0525
@TheStriker0525 5 ай бұрын
very good video. can you do the Y2K Jet Bike next?
@MichaelWhite-ks3ze
@MichaelWhite-ks3ze 5 ай бұрын
This guy is awesome the fact that he made an engine based on the design of the Volkswagen VR6 engine is mind blowing, 3 camshafts as well !!!
@darylmorse
@darylmorse Ай бұрын
Other than the narrow v angle, there aren't many similarities with the VR6. This engine fixes the VR6 head design by using 3 camshafts. The crankshaft design is interesting, but it's only applicable to a motorcycle.
@recoilrob324
@recoilrob324 5 ай бұрын
The longitudinal inline engine with dual counter-rotating cranks would be a VERY cool thing in a bike! It would lean either way without fighting gyroscopic forces which tend to lift the front wheel on conventional lateral engine cranks while the longitudinal orientation would help prevent wheelies because of the gyro force it exerted. That is some cool thinking...though the manufacture would have been expensive as all hell which likely would have quelled any production chances. Sad that the rules are the way they are...but do seem to be designed to keep the 'little guys' out of the game.
@sparty94
@sparty94 5 ай бұрын
gotta give it to michael for jumping in and having the guts to even try something like this. i'm sure that he could have had a successful motogp bike with more time and money. RIP.
@sgomez3047
@sgomez3047 4 ай бұрын
Build it for the masses Michael!! We'll support you and purchase them!! F GP... Then you can get in there and kick some ass!
@nee3029
@nee3029 5 ай бұрын
I've never heard of this before, so thank you for this great video. It's funny, no matter what sport, there is a call for innovation But as soon as an underdog appears on the scene and everything is about to turn upside down, the rules are changed under pressure from the old hands. Knowing that it is financially impossible for the underdog to react quickly to changes. In my opinion, this highly commercial sport is completely for ass.
@vmax4steve524
@vmax4steve524 Ай бұрын
Motogp rules were changed because the 990 cc four strokes were going over 200mph and it cost the lives of a couple of riders. They dropped the capacity to 800cc but the manufacturers overcame that with much higher revs, especially the Ducati that had the desmo valve system that could rev higher than even pneumatic valves and the 800cc bikes went just as fast.
@stephengreen3566
@stephengreen3566 5 ай бұрын
Just like real life. Just when you figure it out, they change the rules.
@eatsblades
@eatsblades 15 күн бұрын
That ending. RIP Michael. 🙏 What might have been with a new player in the field.
@phillipallen6212
@phillipallen6212 2 ай бұрын
I'm not one to follow channel but your so interesting from the v8 drag bike from the 50$ that did burn out down quarter mile . And this interesting U got a new subscriber
@wierdbike
@wierdbike 6 ай бұрын
Please subscribe this new, unique channel. It would be interesting!🤝
@Ride2Xplore
@Ride2Xplore 4 ай бұрын
Its so sad that the rules changed! If they didn't change maybe we could see a production model and evolution of the motorcycle!
@P.DuncanMonk
@P.DuncanMonk 6 ай бұрын
There is a motorcycle dealership in Portland that uses a motoczysz engine block as a door stop. It worked great.
@wierdbike
@wierdbike 6 ай бұрын
yeah-yeah, very funny…
@P.DuncanMonk
@P.DuncanMonk 6 ай бұрын
@@wierdbike No joke. 100% truth.
@wierdbike
@wierdbike 6 ай бұрын
No way… any proofs???😂
@P.DuncanMonk
@P.DuncanMonk 6 ай бұрын
@@wierdbike Its at Motocorse Portland Or.. Thats all that I will say.
@wussy05
@wussy05 6 ай бұрын
The gas motor for this bike didn't make much power and liked to get rid of all its oil on local race tracks.... a lot....
@mudnducs
@mudnducs 6 ай бұрын
I watched its first published lightoff in Portland OR
@MichaelWhite-ks3ze
@MichaelWhite-ks3ze 5 ай бұрын
Over 30 patents for his project now that’s a big achievement 😁👌👌
@teamgonzo9289
@teamgonzo9289 5 ай бұрын
Still have the magazines with this bike in it!!! 👍
@kted252
@kted252 5 ай бұрын
Absolutely brilliant……..👏👏👏👏👍
@driverjamescopeland
@driverjamescopeland 5 ай бұрын
Arguably the gnarliest sounding GP bike to ever hit the track (albeit, never compete). It had a weird tone that somehow managed to sound similar to old 2-stroke mills.
@cafeandfighters
@cafeandfighters 5 ай бұрын
Got to give it to the guy, trying to make a narrow motor when the factorys were all trying to make a short motor. One which cam timing could not be easily changed, and certainly not actively. Oh, and that 90 degree power transfer! Man has to live his dreams but he saw probably right to go electric. I believe agility was finaily improved mass centralized and the reverse rotation of crankshafts (opposite the wheels) ala Yamaha M1. Stability and traction with a short forward engine and long swingarm. Power with money, moneyand a little more money. Can't beat that money.
@ImInLoveWithBulla
@ImInLoveWithBulla 5 ай бұрын
I’m all for thinking outside the box, but even tho I’m not an engineer, and my power plant manager dad and Northrop Grumman engineer brother have infinite more knowledge than me on these issues, even when I was 17 and this was getting all the hype in the press, I saw that it was a failure. A Z-config in an inline engine might give better cooling. IF IT WAS AIR COOLED. Secondly, minimizing the frontal area for aero doesn’t work if you have THE RIDER sticking out well beyond the fairing. And I remember an article where they were bragging about the engine producing 190 horsepower. When the Hondas and Yamahas were making 250. It’s a quirky idea. But don’t insult the great John Britten by putting him in the same breath as a Las Vegas casino architect. I’ve met both Bostrom brothers, and have even talked to them about this. They did say that it handled quite nice. But it was slow. And Shane Turpin was never an AMA Superbike champ.
@62g12cs
@62g12cs 6 ай бұрын
Because Mike was never able to perfect his designs, everytime I saw him run the bikes they blew up.
@wierdbike
@wierdbike 6 ай бұрын
Saad…
@tokyosmash
@tokyosmash 5 ай бұрын
Time for an Erik Buell video
@k.c.maclachlan3227
@k.c.maclachlan3227 6 ай бұрын
thabks for sudying this rare bike.bRIP cyscz
@wierdbike
@wierdbike 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching🤝
@31144
@31144 4 ай бұрын
Ere..... how do the rear shocks work if their base is fixed in the swinging arm 🤔
@hipoman8087
@hipoman8087 5 ай бұрын
Love that motor and bike setup. Can you imagine the lap records being broken with a GP rider on it. Have my kz 900 in boxes. I’ll be starting on it in a few years. Want to do mono-shock on rear and was looking at doing hyabusa front. That front suspension set up on his bike makes sense. Not an engineer but would be interesting to try. Modern stringer ? LOL
@plantfeeder6677
@plantfeeder6677 5 ай бұрын
KZ900 huh? Good luck. Had one. Spent the whole time trying to keep from being killed on it. An absolute nightmare in corners.
@hipoman8087
@hipoman8087 5 ай бұрын
@@plantfeeder6677 Was stationed in CA. Became friends with a motorcycle shop owner. He was an engineer that was the Z10 development. He asked me one time if my bike was apart. I said yes. He told me to bring the frame. Turns out he built their road race KZ 900s & 1000s. The frame is gusseted. In all the right places. Still haven’t made up my mind on how I want to set it up. A little high and short for corners or lower and slightly stretched. I’ll figure it out eventually.
@Robert-xt5gx
@Robert-xt5gx 5 ай бұрын
While this bike is interesting how good it was/wasnt waswasn’t was never proven. It never turned a wheel in anger and no rules were created or changed because of it. Ultimately it was abandoned and Michael chose to pursue electric motorcycle racing which he was very successful at, but it wasn’t the same bike or class of field.
@brentbartley6838
@brentbartley6838 5 ай бұрын
No but much of Czysz's chassis innovations went into the E1PC and once they got their electric motor issues sorted the bike was virtually unbeatable at the time it competed. Whenever the patents run out (if not already) or his estate sold the rights, someone could put his designs into some kind of use but the bike market isn't as profitable as it used to be and the big manufacturers don't like to think too far outside the box.
@Robert-xt5gx
@Robert-xt5gx 5 ай бұрын
@@brentbartley6838 electric bikes could’ve been a windfall for them but sadly Michael passed and that killed the project. I still remember when the original bike was unveiled at the Portola Plaza Hotel and its initial public start up. It was so cool, like the Britten.
@nickpalazzi2121
@nickpalazzi2121 5 ай бұрын
Other manufacturers.... this bike is so revolutionary, it has 30 patents on it, we can't build anything competitive and this thing will smoke everything we have, what should we do? Do what we always do, get the rules changed....
@markmetcalf7582
@markmetcalf7582 5 ай бұрын
Please read the comments this bike had nothing to do with the rule changes how could a unreliable 190hp bike that never raced smoke factory 250 Hp multi million dollar prototypes
@williamstel9330
@williamstel9330 4 ай бұрын
To bad Harley didn't want to get there hands on it. Imagine that something super modern and so advanced.
@TheMatrixcube
@TheMatrixcube 14 күн бұрын
Thats a shame .... This thing had serious potential !
@soraaoixxthebluesky
@soraaoixxthebluesky 5 ай бұрын
You know it’s a serious race engine when they use timing gears instead of timing chain.
@914werke
@914werke 5 ай бұрын
You mean like the VFR?
@jburnham9109
@jburnham9109 5 ай бұрын
Timing chains (or belts) are utilized in most production engines because they are quiet. Straight-cut gear to gear drives are very noisy. In a race engine, noise is the last thing on anyone's mind.
@soraaoixxthebluesky
@soraaoixxthebluesky 5 ай бұрын
@@jburnham9109 Timing gears are also way way stronger like it’s nearly impossible for you destroy them if you put them on a valvetrain system and they’re thousandth of a mm accurate in precision. It’s like straight cut gear vs CVT chain where you cam timing aren’t distorted by tensile stress at high HP. Yes they’re slightly noiser but as far as contact surface is a concern they’re not much louder than the chain counterparts because the gear contact patch a super tiny.
@jburnham9109
@jburnham9109 5 ай бұрын
@soraaoixxthebluesky absolutely. I would argue that noise is still significant compared to chain drives though. That's why the reverse gear in manual transmissions are so noisy. They are straight cut spur gears as opposed to the helical cut gears in the forward gears. Same applies to racing transmissions, which use the stronger straight cut spur gears. Where strength and performance are the main priority and noise isn't a concern. There are even gear drive conversions for timing chain setups that's main purpose is to create noise because it sounds like the whine of a supercharger, lol.
@michaelatkin9649
@michaelatkin9649 5 ай бұрын
This is how the big guys keep the new a better guys from raising to the top
@michaelnastaszczuk7029
@michaelnastaszczuk7029 Ай бұрын
Buell, developed by Eric Buell an American Company built his first super bike back in 1985, so how can the MOTOCZYSC be the first American Superbike?
@sburns2421
@sburns2421 5 ай бұрын
MotoGP didn't change the rules to prevent Czysz from racing, that is ridiculous. This was an interesting design that could have made a unique street bike for sure. To imply it would have even got a sniff of a MotoGP lap time is laughable though, the production superbikes of the time would have even destroyed it on track. Far too complex with more failure points and inherent friction that simply cannot be overcome, a V-four 990cc GP engine has a simplicity and elegance that it would never, ever have. The power disadvantage, even if it could be made reliable enough to finish a race, would also not be countered by the improved handling due contra-rotating cranks. Yes that reduces gyroscopic effects to a point, racing and production bikes have already answered this by having cranks rotate opposite to push the front end down under acceleration, this bike would not have had such an advantage. While everyone focuses on the engine of the MotoCzysz, ironically the chassis was just as interesting and is what had the potential to advance the state of the art at the time. His later electric bike was more impressive (and successful), and I am ambivalent about E-bikes in general.
@jgq5
@jgq5 5 ай бұрын
A legend
@YAMR1M
@YAMR1M 5 ай бұрын
The 1987 Honda NSR had a counter rotating crankshaft, so there were GP bikes running the counter rotating cranks 13 years before 2000.. The Moto GP rule change had been known about for a while but MotoCzysz carried on with the engine they had and it had nothing to do with how good or radical the engine was. If it had been so radical the engine would have run pneumatic valves driven from a small powered compressor on the bike like the Aprilia's had been running . If you are going to do these videos please check your facts..
@wierdbike
@wierdbike 5 ай бұрын
Woah, so stuffy in this room…
@YAMR1M
@YAMR1M 5 ай бұрын
@@wierdbike check your facts and then you wouldn't get corrected by someone who wanted to watch the video to learn something...
@wierdbike
@wierdbike 5 ай бұрын
Did i say that C1 was first gp bike with counter rotating crank, or what “facts”???
@davidyendoll5903
@davidyendoll5903 6 ай бұрын
Wow just wow
@santyclause8034
@santyclause8034 5 ай бұрын
I see that even early in his life the guy was a motorcycle child progeny, even skipped the tricycle and pedals stage, and went straight to minibike.
@matter9
@matter9 5 ай бұрын
You mean “prodigy”. Progeny would mean he was the offspring of motorcycles.
@AST4EVER
@AST4EVER 6 ай бұрын
comeon China.... you can do it.... just watch this video by mistake or chance.... 😂😂 I'll buy one, if you make one today....
@carlosandleon
@carlosandleon 5 ай бұрын
they need the prototypes to make cheap copies of
@funcool32
@funcool32 5 ай бұрын
Bro, your accent changed about 4 times in this video... are you f**king with us?? 😂
@wierdbike
@wierdbike 5 ай бұрын
не знаю, можливо… я - Юрчік Кіяниця
@wtfftw24
@wtfftw24 5 ай бұрын
Great Channel You got a new subscriber from Italy 👍
@wierdbike
@wierdbike 5 ай бұрын
Gracias☺️
@kennethtalbott2233
@kennethtalbott2233 4 ай бұрын
a sad end to the man. some great designs, pushing boundaries.
@ivorgreenplant
@ivorgreenplant 5 ай бұрын
watched a docu about this years ago .. Did they not have problems with castings ?? lots of imperfections and air holes in castings causing the engine to implode multiple times ..
@matter9
@matter9 5 ай бұрын
No way any engine would implode. Do a spellcheck.
@ivorgreenplant
@ivorgreenplant 5 ай бұрын
They filled all the air gaps in castings with ceramic .. which failed .. get over it watched the docu you even show clips from the docu .. all you got is "spelling is bad" @@matter9
@virtualizeeverything
@virtualizeeverything 5 ай бұрын
cool project
@DANTHETUBEMAN
@DANTHETUBEMAN 6 ай бұрын
manufacturers are always at way on and off the race track, you win them on the track they go after the rules to get you off the track. 😮
@68404
@68404 5 ай бұрын
Weird, not wierd. It's an exception to the rule.
@lesterbuckman5493
@lesterbuckman5493 5 ай бұрын
I think the mental and physical stress that John and Michale put themselves through to realize their dreams the long nights working all hours the worry of funding and a myriad of other factors in no small part was a factor in their illness. The world is a poorer place for their passing but if there's a heaven I am sure they are raising some hell RIP
@mazdamaniac4643
@mazdamaniac4643 5 ай бұрын
What the hell is a "Parrallel Twines" ??? Is it two bits of string next to each other?
@Arthurzeiro
@Arthurzeiro 5 ай бұрын
Cool design no doubt but he commissioned Cosworth to make his engine, Britten was pouring his engine blocks in his shed, in a very remote island
@christopherdesbaux5950
@christopherdesbaux5950 5 ай бұрын
We have internet in New Zealand you know 😂
@marcalampi5036
@marcalampi5036 5 ай бұрын
I'd love to see his ideas in fruition now in practice. All of his ideas were practical reality applied to the real world he over came limits. Counter rotation crankshafts fantastic idea. As well as well like a W type inline engine. I found problems to over come and he did. He was innovative and ahead of his time. People like him push change and innovation and performance. Even safety. Simply put he built a better mouse trap and then they charged the goal post and imposed limits. It takes time to change development.
@danielchapman9635
@danielchapman9635 5 ай бұрын
Thanks
@PaulG.x
@PaulG.x 5 ай бұрын
If you are going to redesign the front suspension to reduce friction , why retain the worst possible configuration and use a telescopic mechanism? One of Norman Hossack or Tony Foale's designs using wishbones is lighter and completely adjustable And there is a reason you rarely see inline crank configurations in motorcycle racing. Who needs to have a bike's lean angle change as you accelerate out of a corner?
@kevincaselle3174
@kevincaselle3174 5 ай бұрын
I think the counter rotating cranks solved that.
@brentbartley6838
@brentbartley6838 5 ай бұрын
Those front end designs have been tried in racing at various points and any advantages they do have often don't out way the disadvantages. Weight, quickness of transitions (agility), rider feel. The anti-dive properties might work well in wet/mixed conditions and fast sweeping turns but in hard braking and slower corners front end weight transfer (controlled) helps load the front tire, shortens the wheelbase as the forks compress, quickening steering. Bimota (under the Vyrus brand I think) was supposed to have raced a Tesi based bike when Moto2 was first created. They created a bike but it never did race. Maybe it wasn't competitive, maybe they didn't have the money (probably a bit of both). Britten's design worked well at the time but who knows how well it would have continued to do over time with the massive increases in power, speed and stiffer tire construction. MotoGP tires are so stiff they need alot of load to keep heat and make them work. The Bridgestones were notorious. Michelins are less stiff and now all the front load created by the aero is causing pressure issues.
@dennish411
@dennish411 2 ай бұрын
I can't believe I haven't heard of this bike before
@grecoconduris6716
@grecoconduris6716 5 ай бұрын
Really interesting
@wierdbike
@wierdbike 5 ай бұрын
Thank’s
@jonny46ba
@jonny46ba 2 ай бұрын
Fantastic piece of engineering, and I think looked cool as well, but this bike being the reason MotoGP changed to 800cc?... nope. The change was for a couple of reasons.. both reasons given by MotoGP were in fact badly thought out, but they definately weren't to try and prevent this bike entering MotoGP. One of the reasons given was safety because the 990's were hitting crazy speeds on the straights. the actual outcome was vey similar lap times so they were actually going faster in the corners.. so not safer. The other reason was to lower costs, but this meant entire new engines needed to be developed which had the opposite effect. The idea that MotoGP wanted to keep this bike out of MotoGP is simply wrong since MotoGP has been attaempting to get more manufacturers on the grid, which is why they had the ill-concieved CRT bikes, and is also why they gave concessions to the smaller manufacturers to level the gap from the big japanese manufacturers, its also why they are now giving concessions to Honda and Yamaha to try and help and discourage them from leaving.
@peterday3253
@peterday3253 5 ай бұрын
Motogp changed the engine capacity to 800cc (effective in the 2007 season) to slow down the bikes, and within a half season the track records were being broken. The engineers overcame the capacity limitation by utilizing pneumatic valves to raise the rev ceiling and using electronic aids to control the power delivery. The Motogp bikes are constantly becoming too fast for runoff areas at certain tracks, so expensive changes are made to increase the gravel traps. Bike speed outgrowing circuit runoff areas has been an ongoing problem for a long time. This unique bike would probably not even qualify for a Motogp race. To enter the qualifying session, a rider must have a practice time within 105% of the fastest practice time set during the weekend. There is just no way 190 hp could compete with 250 hp (in 2007) or 300 hp today. The slowest world superbike would probably smoke this bike. Only comment from Jeremy McWilliams (who has experience competing in Motogp on underpowered bikes) was about the agility in changing direction, but nothing about the power. The fact is that any moving part requires power to spin it, and that engine has a lot of extra parts. Michael Czysz was a visionary, but not an engineer.
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