Iteration vs Innovation | Art

[@evanwilliams7917]

I was going to play video games tonight, but instead I actually decided to sit down and finish another chapter of the novel I am working on. I have no idea how long it'll be, or if it ever will be published and sold. I just want to make it. And keep making it. Thanks Greg for the genuine affirmation and advice! Anxiety and self doubt are some of the biggest hindrances to artistic innovation.

[@nuclearcatbaby1131]

I would write a novel but all of my story ideas are more suited to visual media. And I hate doing artwork, especially repetitive artwork like comic books or animating.

[@antonikudlicki1100]

@@nuclearcatbaby1131 Then write a scenario. If it gets popular people will do fan animations themselves. Then among the people you may find competitive allies for the goal of professional visualisation

[@SoVidushi]

Goodluck, im proud of you :)

[@nuclearcatbaby1131]

@@antonikudlicki1100 I write Dada-influenced stories about characters who are toilets and laundry machines. Also about scibrats which are spoiled little kids that pretend to be scientific geniuses but are really morons that rip off their science project ideas from others or have Dr. Mommy and Daddy do them. I picture them as something like the bad kids from Willy Wonka and I think it would be funny to have a bunch of ditzy valley-girl bimbos cosplaying as nerds be taken to Epstein’s island because he wants to use them for a eugenics project but then he finds out that they’re too stupid to use for that.

[@michaelbruh6157]

The camera refocusing really made me feel like I'm talking to a friend about art and philosophy while shitfaced at a party

[@ypso21]

as someone who tends to overanalyze systems, ideas, etc a lot myself, i really love these small rambly videos. keep them up! also this definetly motivated me to try and work on 'technical skills' so i can maybe one day bring some of the ideas i have to light. one day. not today though. now, off to the next youtube video.

[@evedotcom]

The iterative journey to transcend the wonderwall. Epic

[@aneneej]

thanks for posting at 1 am really helps through schizo panic attacks

[@seanhoe5835]

Hi greg, not sure if you’re gonna read this, but I’ve recently become a fan of your main channel and I just discovered this channel today. I really like your content. I really like all the wacky ironic stuff, I really like these genuine feeling raw semi-awkward videos. I just wanted to say how you have changed my life, like I used to have all these thoughts about life and society around me that I thought only I had and could never discuss with my friends. But I’ve found your channel earlier this year and I will say that I am extremely grateful for you and the content that you put out.

[@ellavic]

How can you be so right all the time Greg? I watched your video yesterday and it was my sign, it was my wake up call, it was like, "this guy gets me" while I'm working a meanness job, putting off making art I said: "this is it" I'm gonna start writing right now....... OMG Michel Reeves posted a new video, I can't miss that, I'll do the thing after that, no problem... Now I'm drunk, crying, mourning the death of my little naive artist child self, who died putting all hope on me, a 24 year old procrastinator who feeds off of parasocial relationships Jeez, I just remembered I have to watch Jreg's new video, the one where he's wrong and people have to change his mind. Classic Jreg, really showed those right people who's boss, right fellas? Right?????

[@SharonLougheed]

When I was younger, I considered myself oh sooo creative and innovative, and I made a point of saying, "I like writing, not just reading!" Mind you, I _did_ enjoy reading, otherwise I wouldn't have wanted to write to begin with. But one of my biggest fears was copying other people, of my originality being tarnished. I didn't have internet access at home. Lo and behold, years later, I realized I was falling into the same traps a lot of novice writers had fallen into, unknowingly doing the same things many others have done before. So... yeah. Don't be afraid of learning. Don't be afraid of iteration. Though... I don't write much anymore.

[@fiona8081]

I know you are an artist, Greg, and so your thinking is really coming largely from that perspective, but this is also a big theme in scientific research, especially for early career scientists. So it's interesting to me to think about how the ways we think about this problem in science might apply to "other" domains like art. Even though honestly I don't know how solid those boundaries are. Both are acts of creation based on experience. Sometimes, it feels as though to have a the most impact on the field and do the best work, you need to come up with these very "out there" hypotheses that really push the pre-existing boundaries and explore largely new terrain, that are going to REVOLUTIONIZE YOUR FIELD. But 99% of the time, those experiments are not going to work, and eventually even if they DO work, it will not be clear what your results even mean, and they will probably not be used by anyone else. On the other hand, the "easy" way to do things is to barely do anything new with your research, and stick to the kinds of experimental designs and variables that have been done over and over in your field, and maybe add one tiny thing. While it is good to gain more data and support for existing theories, to understand things from pre-existing frameworks even better, if we ONLY did this, then we are going to just reinforce our own biases of how things work. We are not going to broaden our understanding, only deepen it. Ideally, we need to balance both iteration AND innovation. Replication of results is necessary to science, and we must build upon the vast amounts of knowledge we already have, instead of trying to start totally new and from a totally untested framework. But we also risk just assuming there is not another more valid approach to take if we are not conscious of the need for innovation as well. Oh jesus... no one perceive me my adhd meds just kicked in...

[@claireschweizer4765]

How to be a non creative musician: 1. Be a singer 2. Join a musical/group Oratorio/ opera company If you have a good director, they will give you little to no freedom for interpretation, and tell you EXACTLY what to do and how, constantly. When where what and how. And it's also very repetitive. But you still get to perform and get at least half the credit for the art (show) itself. And you even learn a lot in the process. It's absolutely wonderful and foolproof ❤️

[@lilithmotherofmonsters6055]

This really sounds like Simon Sinnek going off about the difference between "why?" And "how?" people Iterative is "how" and innovative is "why"

[@skylar2600]

0:16 "Did you do it?" Yes! I feel good

[@babygorilla4233]

cool dude what was it

[@OleksandrSlepnov]

@@babygorilla4233 lying in this exact comment

[@skylar2600]

@@babygorilla4233 Finished writing something I'd been procrastinating on

[@norskeya.4723]

That auto-focus sure is innovative

[@flossdeakin3756]

Oooo I'm loving this. Several things I've noticed when making/helping others do art! 1. I've run groups where someone's been like "yeah I'm absolutely not musical at all" but thought they'd come along anyway. Then over the weeks we make music together they realise "hey I've never actually tried idk, writing a melody, or fucking about with percussion" and while we're all playing music they realise they actually can!! V excited for artistic identities video bc I fucking love that subject especially when it comes to self-identified non-creatives. Community arts programs are so important imo because its not teaching?? It's using skills you already innately have and building on them. 2. It's super interesting the crossovers between innovation and iteration. Like for example I used to try and make only innovative stuff (it became a whole pressure not-good-enough thing lmao), so I just abandoned that and went into iterative-only stuff for a while. HOWEVER now I realised that during that iterative part of my life I actually got better at music theory because I kinda needed to to recreate things - so now I'm trying to create new stuff again I have extra skills that I can use! Weird how things turn out??

[@aneneej]

reminds me of Michael Jordan "Master the fundamentals and everything will rise"

[@robinpohl2702]

Having just kind of worked my way out of a year of soul crushing procrastination i find this series really interesting. So anyways, here's Wonderwall!

[@memeboi3684]

0:16 yeah I did it JrEg! My masterpiece is slowly getting near completion. You will regret your word JrEg... Trust me

[@AcornBroadcast]

Mr Guevara! Even just the understanding of some basics of how to interpret art and in the case of this video how an artist works to be helpful, even if you feel it is cobbled together last minute in to a coherent point. I find that you using this platform to just talk about your interpretation on things very interesting, even if there’s no overall end goal. I hope you continue to make these on a semi regular basis 👍

[@doodoopoo]

Im so iterative but I wanna become creative bro i love creating it just always feels like it doesnt make sense, that there's no point in being me doing it. first art always sucks but I just don't know how to make stuff interesting? I drew for years and always used a reference, drawing other people's stuff. looking back at the things I actually tried to create they just made no sense

[@damoon9953]

Please keep making these videos. If I watch enough of them I might finally decide to make something.

[@atalantalennareon1412]

The camera refocusing every few seconds makes it seem like I'm rapidly losing blood and shifting in and out of consciousness while a guy rambles about innovation and art

[@mrkraffbs9583]

Oranges are iterative and innovative if you ask me. You ever have so many peels in your pocket that you make a new boots and pants out of it? 😮‍💨😊Ahhh, that was a nice walk down Santa Monica pier.

[@飞升机械]

After all these years "Just Do It" is still relevant. I'm in a weird state where I want to do things but I have no idea what to do. I just feel like I NEED to do something so there's a meaning in my life. Today I wanted to practice drum but instead I sat down and played several hours of league of legends. Ha, typical me. I'm just a piece of shit and I'm strongly convinced that's true everyday every time I do things like that. But anyway, great advice greg! p.s. dude you need to fix your camera's focus it's messed up

[@飞升机械]

it is truly impressive how i view greg's comment section as a safe place for me to shitpost and overshare stuff. i probably shouldn't do this but nah whatever im too mentally unstable to care (just excuses to pretend like it's not because im lazy)

[@basedgod6016]

i think an important point as to why they're both important is that when the more dionysian innovator creates something new and amazing but lacks skill, the iterator can then see what they've made and apply more apollonian sorts of theory and structure to it to give it some of the substance and appeal that brings the art to the rest of the world

[@claireschweizer4765]

I love how he just described a guy I know on the non innovation end and then Jacob Collier on the extreme innovation end 😂😂😂😂

[@misterprofessor5038]

Definitely an over-Innovator like you describe. I always want to bring an interesting spin to my creations or do things in my own style, but I get too hyped up for the next big idea that I don't take the time to learn the technical stuff that would really help my craft. I really doesn't help that its game design that I enjoy the most and that making games is a really technical artform. Even small games take a lot of programming and asset creation, along with a bunch of planning and organizing to get the game into a finished state. That, and I have a learning disorder that makes me 10 times slower and I'm a perfectionist that spends all their time on polishing things that may be made obsolete or be thrown out at a later date. Right now I'm trying to master making those 20% moves that accounts to 80% of the work, which takes a lot of discipline from me. I think I really need to just get something out there, I really want to make something that people see instead things that end up in the dusty corners of my harddrive.

[@AcornBroadcast]

I actually did Greg, it was really helpful! Thank you for reminding me again to get on with my work again today

[@karstengaming7532]

haha good one jreg, you show those artist giving themself excuses who's boss!

[@MrSomeDonkus]

I really do love these videos.

[@tayzatun6351]

I'm gonna finish that avant garde electronic album in before my country's new year at 12th April, I will do consistent work everyday and post it in the reply section of this comment. Even if no one sees this, this will serves as accountability for me and if people stumble upon this, it will be a monument to my sloth or my victory over resistance.

[@cereal6701]

amazing cool and awe inspriring video. 10/10. commenting because algorithm and because this comment will be buried

[@anwaypradhan6591]

The fact is that the concept of the art and its innovation and iteration varies from person to person depending upon their views, ideas and thoughts influenced by the type of philosophy ( whether it be materialistic philosophy or it be idealistic philosophy). Materialistically, the concept of art and its innovative form varies and changes with respect to time, with respect to change in lifestyle and living standard of an individual, with respect to development in human society, with respect to change in the economic and social structure of the human society. Art is nothing but the representation of state and nature of human mind and thought with the development of structure of material world and human society.

[@Pawsz]

Cant wait for more of this content!

[@truther249]

In a way iteration and innovation are two sides of the same coin. For iteration you start from a base, the original thing you are iterating, and inevitably what you're going to do is add on top of it, then it becomes a base+something new And with innovation you just start creating something new instead of starting from the base. But in both instances something new gets created, pops into being.

[@SoVidushi]

I did the thing yesterday. Good vid dude :)

[@apikmin]

I did it. I did that thing. Good one Greg

[@ninademont5598]

He looks so huggable with his long sleeves @1:10 🥺😀👍🏻

[@therealx1ras453]

This is genuinely good advice Jreg, thank you

[@doomedradiance7533]

I love that you started to upload on this channel

[@imconfused6955]

Greg, this is the exact video I needed right now. All of these things have been on my mind as of late. I know you couldn't predict this and i am just a text box but your work is genuinely helpful

[@chickenmonger123]

Listening to this on x2 is a trip.

[@isaacp9324]

Loving this series so far :)

[@nuclearcatbaby1131]

Oh and don’t get me started on my characters who are toilets and laundry machines. Why isn’t there a Pixar movie with toilet characters or laundry machines?

[@Boreality_]

haha good one jreg, you sure showed those haha good one jreg, you sure showed those x whose boss! the way in which their iteration can transcend the meme and must thus keep commenting it'until the threshold is broken, whose boss!

[@CamoEnjoyer]

hey dude! looking at innovation vs iteration as a triangle graph makes a lot more sense, since you can do neither and you can do both! If you look at i like that you'll realize that doing both can also be very impressive, if you do enough! iteration allows you to explore your innovations, innovations allow you to create new grounds for iteration

[@umb3rto641]

JrEg, you just showed me I'm more into the innovation part, but you can't do one without the other! very good video man Acting is more of iterating Directing is perfectly centrist (woah, careful with that, Anti-centrists!) Screenwriting/writing is more of innovating so yeah all of them can be equally iterated/innovated, just some of them rely in principles on the latter one (innovating).

[@willmebes3430]

5:35 JORDAN PETERSON MOMENT

[@gondolaFGC]

What if both my technical skills and boundary-pushing creativity both suck 😔

[@girlemployee]

nice shirt bro

[@matterwiz1689]

I think, unless youre talking about something like outsider art, innovation is usually a product of iteration. Most disruptive artists first spent a lot of time becoming really good at the "classical" version of their artform before spreading out into new directions.

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

Music is a good example, because there's plenty people that became famous only because of their interpretation of song. You find this in Cover Artists in the internet and Classical Music alike. I'm also thinking of Yves Montand who was a great performer, but didn't write any song himself.

[@cryptidghoul9778]

i love you greg

[@jaejujube6967]

kind of agree that whether the goal is becoming a jack of all trades or a master of one, the more important thing is to do anything at all, especially when they might loop around to one another anyway. anything > 0 seems obvious once said but easy to forget or subconsciously resist, thx for the reminder in a life of inertia

[@frrrnixx9012]

Ay, you did it, bro.

[@random6033]

Iteration vs Recursion

[@runtav_guz8564]

Greg, i did it, today was a great day because you motivated me to do everything i wanted, im about to go to bed

[@babygorilla4233]

Very well, I will not propagate my moss in a big plastic bin like a normal person. I shall make a hanging garden of wine bottles each seeded with a different variety of moss. This may take a lot of wine. florists use moss.

[@neonmaelstrom1495]

i will drink the wine necessary

[@ninademont5598]

Also why don’t you do that extreme art piano feet yoko ono (abstract is what I’d shortcut call it). Reminds me of you going essentially willingly Tourette’s mode in one of your videos. And a guy was like “this is the most human thing he can do”. Like why don’t you do that for all your videos. Just go complete intuitive abstract Tourette’s mode. Why all the structure? Does it make you feel less lazy? I think it takes effort to go fully abstract tourrettes mode damn I really need a better name for that. How about abstract performance?

[@gondolaFGC]

Ay imma apply this advice to the creative side of my FG gameplay :p

[@nuclearcatbaby1131]

Art is what I excrete on a steady diet of math and science. I try to study but then I feel compelled to shit out a fan fiction (often a very sci fi fanfiction too, like the last one I wrote which I based on what I learned about mRNA COVID vaccines and the character decides to make his own vaccine so he doesn’t have to take that but ends up infecting himself with a cordyceps zombie fungus gene therapy instead and he spends what he thinks might be his last days on earth losing his virginity to his ghost girlfriend who may just be a hallucination in his Shroom-addled brain)

[@antonikudlicki1100]

+1

[@lifelongstudents233]

I mean... I did a bit of it.

[@rangergrade]

12 ways to die/stories about death. That’s the title of what I’m writing now. Wouldn’t have started without you posting this. Anyways bye

[@polishedpebble4111]

Innovator digs down so deep they reach the core and become weightless. Iterator builds so high they reach space and become weightless. Horseshoe.

[@bagel507]

3:42 jojo stone ocean

[@carlspringer7024]

I didn't do the thing; I just watched a bunch of motivational videos on making art. Still like these videos, though.

[@malachiwonder6800]

Great video, I'm just not sure I buy Martin being an iteration of Tolkien.

[@greguevarart]

yea that posits a lil shaky fo sho

[@jimc.goodfellas]

Imagine having autoplay on

[@claireschweizer4765]

Also...I didn't do the thing, but technically I did other things! (That usually means cooking/baking) we fucking love ADHD. Happy half price candy day.

[@wwm31999]

I have a question I have an idea but I dont know how to execute the idea

[@squarrot9355]

Being well rounded is one of the most overrated things in society

[@kylearchung8229]

oh fuck. did is this what he gave up when he said he wanted to be normal?

[@yecksd]

talk about God

[@ajbc6952]

:)

[@Jreg2]

No, I didnt do it ffs I'm not fucking Nike

[@ninademont5598]

Are u insecure about calling yourself a creative person? Cos of your page bio. You’re clearly a creative person. I’m a believer in every wavelength every bit of energy being transferred is artistic. Artistic does not equal creative. If energy can’t be made or destroyed, technically no one is creative. But people just use it as a synonym for artistic, which you clearly are so I wouldn’t worry about it too much

[@ninademont5598]

You’re also not obliged to be artistic. Like you said, you should really believe that not everyone needs to be artistic, in the sense of like legit art. Everyone is artistic whether they make legit art or not imo

[@ninademont5598]

I think a good definition for an artistic person could be a person who changes energy. Turning negative into positive or vice versa

[@VerbDoesStuff]

This comment will age well.

[@menendez6218]

Did it?

[@VerbDoesStuff]

@@menendez6218 Give me some more time, I’ll keep you updated lol

[@zeobuilder106]

I didn’t do it :)

[@jpidk3190]

this is kinda silly

[@Pawsz]

Music isnt art. Music is not artifice. Music is the original base iteration of itself

[@Pawsz]

Art it literally nothing, the admiration gained is shallow

[@Pawsz]

Leave wonderwall alone, music iterates people not the other way around

[@Pawsz]

Protip: if you have any integrity don't be an artist If you're a sycophantic, shallow, conceited, self satisfied, jealous, vindictive airhead, (or aspire to be), then go ahead, spin the wheel

[@Pawsz]

you think you're avante garde? Okay...

[@Pawsz]

Draw, paint, whatever, just dont let it go to your head and keep it home instead, dont be so arrogant as to try to make a career out of it, it contributes nothing of value, people who do that are forfeiting being a grounded person for living in a protected bubble of pure admirers and sex trafficked "assistants" Its a decadent wasteful valueless endeavour that is given false value by disgusting, flauntingly rich rich people for a reason. You play for them you get what you pay for with your soul.

[@urmom-zh6zs]

fine greg ill do the thing >:(

[@urmom-zh6zs]

(the thing is making art of greg lmao (no particular reason hes just fun to draw))