ITV 'First Tuesday' documentary 1985,closure of Settle to Carlisle Line

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@EM-yk1dw 4 ай бұрын

So glad it was saved. The Waverley and Woodhead routes should have been saved too ❤

@BegudMaximan-zp2tc 4 ай бұрын

Many routes could have been resized and made to provide a useful environmental proposition now that trains are easier environmentally than hundreds of individual car journeys affect on the environment.

@EM-yk1dw 4 ай бұрын

@@BegudMaximan-zp2tc I agree, it is a real shame that the routes which have been closed were not mothballed as they do in Europe.

@charrogate 4 ай бұрын

Many prime infrastructure railway routes sliced up and nominally sold off for private gain. A national disgrace abd shame 😢

@ianhalsall-fox 7 күн бұрын

If they hadn’t closed the Great Central, we might not be having HS2!

@peterfinucane8122 4 ай бұрын

Visited Ribblehead viaduct in 2007 while in UK (from New Zealand). What a great structure and rail line. Glad it survived.

@pauldelcour 4 ай бұрын

Fascinating, so glad it's still with us!

@hovermotion 4 ай бұрын

So glad it was saved , I went on the line years with the Union of South Africa pulling the train..and it was stunning..

@LostsTVandRadio 4 ай бұрын

Excellent documentary. Thanks so much for posting it. Ever since that campaign to save the line I've been waiting for the opportunity to ride along it. Finally this year I'll be doing it. Can't wait!

@jonmilligan8069 4 ай бұрын

And it still stands beautifully strong today! Well done to all those who put up the fight to save it! :-)

@ShanakeeFeverDreams 2 ай бұрын

I think it was saved due to a storm and back then BR diverting trains from the closed West Coast Mainline and realised it was important diversion route. Back when railmen sorted problems. The Bentham line was saved as someone decided to keep it double track with whole line one signal section. Bravo that man.

@markallen5353 4 ай бұрын

Travelled the line many times in the 80s, thanks for the memories

@SGS-Drones 4 ай бұрын

Could you imagine if that had of close this line? This line has come to the rescue of the West Coast mainline on several occasions. Trains were diverted along here during major engineering works near Oxenholme. And again the line was used to divert trains after the crash near Grayrigg. Sometimes you have got to look beyond the business side when it comes to infrastructure.

@iangregory3994 4 ай бұрын

Got rescued out of Appleby one snowy Sunday evening by WCML Divert circa 1995 going home to Manchester via Leeds. Never been so glad to see a 47 driving a set of electric heated Mk ll,s!

@timhuggins1993 4 ай бұрын

Michael Portillo said this was his greatest political achievement saving this line from closure , to a lot of bemused Chinese political students surprised at his answer

@ianhalsall-fox 4 ай бұрын

Tragically Graham Nutall was found dead whilst in a railway adventure and Ruswarp famously stayed with his master for weeks until the body was discovered. There is a memorial at Burnley Central railway station.

@mrcogginsgarage7062 4 ай бұрын

Don't forget there's a memorial to them both at Garsdale Station

@Pickettytitch69-om7nk 4 ай бұрын

Google...''Tales from Dales Rail - Graham Nuttall Remembered''..click onto footnote pdf for a personal account of him by long-time friend Howard Hammersley. A very interesting insight which probably explains why he was not necessarily well prepared for his many hiking trips. Incredibly, his faithful dog stayed by his side for eleven weeks, barely alive himself.

@1903bretep 4 ай бұрын

The irony is that if a proposal to build a railway along this route were made today (think HS2) then there would a larger number of objectors to that plan than there were to this closure.

@minimaxi802 3 ай бұрын

This is a useful route from Leeds to Glasgow for freight trains through the hills of Yorkshire and Cumbria.

@yorkiebuck 4 ай бұрын

What a remarkable turnaround it has been. Over 1.2 million passengers annually and heavy freight trains. My late father who died in 1991 would never believe it. Michael Portillo takes great credit for this as well as the Friends of the Line. Woodhead line shouldn't have been closed but of course 40 miles of the Waverley line have been rebuilt as the Borders Line.

@PeaveyPV20 4 ай бұрын

Michael portillo was one of the prominent figures who helped save the line. BR were inflating the costs to repair the ribble head viaduct and he got a second opinion and it was going to cost far less. Br weren’t as good as some folk recall in there shoddy under hand tactics to close lines

@duncancurtis5108 4 ай бұрын

And it dragged on and on until 1989 until the scrubby old trains were finally replaced by new units. BR were defeated by being found out, exposing the fraud of the Beeching era.

@charrogate 4 ай бұрын

1988 honeymooned in Wensleydale and part of the treat was a ride both ways on the 🚂 line on the new clean carriage. Ribblehead viaduct became speed restricted and single-lined (reducing stress) which allowed more time to enjoy its crossing 🤔

@joblesswideo-fb7nj 4 ай бұрын

How many carriages did that engine pull at the end of that film. Fast forward 40 years and all we get now are 2 measly sprinter coaches

@leeosborne3793 4 ай бұрын

But a much more frequent service.

@timlewis1165 4 ай бұрын

People are often down on the sprinters, but the fact is that there would have been fewer lines now than without them, even if I will admit to frustration when using them as they have been used by companies on routes that are unsuitable for them when they have been used for which they have been unsuitable (Cardiff to Birmingham on a single class 153 on numerous occasions) However they are generally more reliable and cost effective than loco hauled stock was. I argue that they are as much a saviour of the railways as the rightly lauded HST was.

@dbrailways 4 ай бұрын

The train at the end was a steam special charter working rather than a ‘local’ working. These fortunately still run today most weekends from various parts of the country.

@fulcrumspigot455 4 ай бұрын

Stop whinging.

@PrinceJohn84 4 ай бұрын

Very typical of the filthy tricks that BR played during the 1960s. The same logic that led full closure of lines like the Great Central route to London, the Waverley Route over the Scottish border or the Somerset & Dorset line.

@Battismore-Blue 4 ай бұрын

Travelled on it in the summer of 1986 , Class 33 loco , I think , and BR corridor coaches . BR did a round ticket from Lancaster to Skipton to Carlisle and back to Lancaster

@dbrailways 4 ай бұрын

I’m guessing it would have been a class 31 or 47 as the 33’s were southern region locos

@fulcrumspigot455 4 ай бұрын

31.

@samstratford8878 4 ай бұрын

It's fortunate that it survived. And recently it was immortalised in a video game (Forza Horizon 4) which has a smaller but definite version of Ribblehead on its map.

@gregjones-x8c 4 ай бұрын

@ 4-09...very sad about Graham Nuttall and his dog, Ruswarp.

@minimaxi802 3 ай бұрын

Ruswarp is a village near Whitby.

@gregjones-x8c 3 ай бұрын

@@minimaxi802 Sad how the dog kept a vigil over his dead master. Maybe he died suddenly from a heart attack, very sad. Alone on an obscure track where it was fully eleven weeks before they were found, the dog barely alive.

@Sam_Green____4114 4 ай бұрын

I got on at Keighley about this time around 1985 travelling to Settle . Anyway what I didn't know was the Carlisle train was late and I had actually boarded the Carnforth / Lancaster train, that was supposed be behind the Carlisle train and I hadn't realised it !! The scruffy Fat Guard came through asking for Tickets and I showed him mine and he mumbled something in thick incoherent Yorkshire speak " Duz thou NO 'ut train iz %&%$£ 2 ooors late "£$%&* must %%&&^%$C change ut Skipton $%%^&** fur Settle? Or %$$&&%$ Giggleswick I wunt charge thee owt " I gave him a blank look and he gave a blank look back and walked off ! I thought Giggleswick ? What's he on about ? "Anyway when we took the wrong line at Settle Junction and saw the Settle line disappearing off to the right it suddenly became clear ! Soon as I stepped off the Train at Giggleswick , I thought how am I gonna get to Settle ? Walk the 2 or 3 miles? But luckily just then the skies opened and down came the heaviest rain I had ever been in ! I say lucky because a lady who had just dropped her daughter off for the Carnforth train took pity on me and took me all to my B&B in Settle ! ( The owner of which was very pro rail and appeared in many videos about saving the line , as he said many of his guests arrived by the train and it will kill his business and the town if the line shut !)

@JamesHodgson-v2r 18 күн бұрын

Well known now that for lines that were listed for closure in the Beeching report but escaped the axe in the 1960s being reprieved by Barbera Castle BR tried again to close them by cutting services and maintenance and amending timetables to make the services inconvenient and miss connections etc. BR management disliked rural lines and were only interested intercity and urban commuter lines and were determined to continue the ‘good Doctor’s work’ however they were found out

@Wishful-Thinking 4 ай бұрын

If it had closed we would still be able to ride it and even drive it via Train Sim World. 😉On a serious note though, I’m so glad this line was saved from closure. A country’s heritage argument goes WAY! beyond simple money making decisions when discussed from All angles. Without its heritage a country has nothing therefore some things just have to be kept and saved at all costs, the Settle - Carlisle line was one of them.

@fulcrumspigot455 4 ай бұрын

Thatcher wanted to close it, not British Rail.

@fulcrumspigot455 4 ай бұрын

Serpell Report 1982.

@saltspringrailway3683 20 күн бұрын

The found that the damage to Ribblehead viaduct had been due to sloppy Victorian workmanship! Vertical holes left after level markers were removed had not been properly filled in and sealed thus allowing water to seep down into the piers. Well that's what I heard.