Why Do We Still Have Semaphore Signals?

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Geoff Marshall

Geoff Marshall

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@JanoJ
@JanoJ 4 ай бұрын
Signal boxes didnt invent computing as such, but we DO use some signalling jargon (interlock, signals, semaphores, tokens) in Concurrent software to prevent conflicts in resources, etc which is exactly what signals on the railway are for!
@SingleTheShot
@SingleTheShot 4 ай бұрын
I don't know how I've never made that connection
@althejazzman
@althejazzman 4 ай бұрын
@@SingleTheShot Me neither! Brilliant bit of trivia.
@lawrencejob
@lawrencejob 4 ай бұрын
it's a precursor in the sense that it was an early application of binary logic; that and textiles manufacturing -- it's a computer in the same input+logic=output sense that Babbage's difference engine is (he and his family have a lot of railway connections)..
@rafsonrafson
@rafsonrafson 4 ай бұрын
I'm thankful we hold railway operation to much higher safety and quality standards than software. Wouldn't want to take a train running into a race condition. 😅
@digitig
@digitig 4 ай бұрын
But a *lot* of early computer research was done by the Tech Model Railway Club at MIT, as they automated their model railway system (and created the Jargon File, which standardised and publicised much computer jargon), so terminology crossing from railways into computing was not a coincidence. Computer jargon *does* come from railways. Model railways.
@brianperrie3960
@brianperrie3960 4 ай бұрын
I was a signalman for ten years around Dundee working in ten different boxes. They were all manual boxes, I did spend some time in Dundee Power Box and learned for to operate the new system installed. People think that the train driver is the man responsible for train safety. Wrong. The driver is responsible for one train, whereas the signalman is responsible for one, two, four, ten or any number of trains. He is the most important man on the railway. I also did ten years as a ticket examiner and finally, twenty years as Station Master in the north of Scotland. I loved working on the railway. I retired at sixty nine after over forty years.
@VarissNI
@VarissNI Ай бұрын
What a marvellous career! Best wishes to you Brian.
@abigailcooling6604
@abigailcooling6604 4 ай бұрын
This video reminds me of when Tom Scott went to that signalling training facility that had mock-ups of all signal types - semaphore, 1980's buttons and modern screens - and controlled a little model railway 😊
@AaronOfMpls
@AaronOfMpls 4 ай бұрын
I'm sure a lot of us were thinking of that one! Thank you Geoff for showing us these on _real_ rail lines now, too. ❤
@karlmachnow4961
@karlmachnow4961 4 ай бұрын
Its interesting how similar the different signal box types are between countries even though they were all developed separately.
@shugieshugied2269
@shugieshugied2269 4 ай бұрын
There was something like that at Webb House in Crewe when I did my signaller's courses. Not the modern stuff of course, Motherwell was state of the art at the time
@jerry2357
@jerry2357 4 ай бұрын
There's a vintage model railway at the NRM that was used to train signallers on the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway, LMS and BR until about the 1970s.
@peterfarley3217
@peterfarley3217 4 ай бұрын
...and thanks to you too Geoff. We're lucky to have you and your quality and reputation gets you in to places normally off-limits for us to see
@geofftech2
@geofftech2 4 ай бұрын
Thanks Peter, very kind 👍
@boldford
@boldford 4 ай бұрын
Many heritage railways still operate using the same equipment that you saw in Littlehampton SB. It is possible to pre-arrange visits to most of them.
@jerry2357
@jerry2357 4 ай бұрын
A couple of decades ago, my wife bought me a one-day loco driving course at Tyseley, and apart from driving a saddle tank and a 4-6-0 Castle class and climbing into the firebox of an LMS 4-6-0 under repair, we operated the signal box, a GWR version of the Littlehampton manual box. When I was a student in the early 1980s before privatisation, the university transport society arranged visits to signal boxes. On one occasion we visited Loughborough box (which was a manual box) and Derby box, which was a power signal box, on the same day. I don't know whether clubs or societies could range such visits these days?
@SamitaLohatin
@SamitaLohatin 2 ай бұрын
Hey Jeff marshal go to Amsterdam they have the biggest trump network
@SamitaLohatin
@SamitaLohatin 2 ай бұрын
@@geofftech2 go to Amsterdam they have trains and trams
@dolphbusche
@dolphbusche 4 ай бұрын
As a railway signaller myself (allthough in germany) I do really enjoy hese kind of videos! Would love to see more about how signalling is done in the UK, seems to be quite different in some aspects.
@DubGathoni
@DubGathoni 3 ай бұрын
I don't know if there have been major changes since it was made, but Tsets out of Australia does a film about it
@domramsey
@domramsey 4 ай бұрын
This was a fantastic video, Geoff. Really appreciate the 'story arc' from old to new with soundbites from everyone involved along the way. Really appreciate all the planning and attention to detail here!
@geofftech2
@geofftech2 4 ай бұрын
Thank you, appreciated! 😊
@adrienvanderstraeten5465
@adrienvanderstraeten5465 4 ай бұрын
It's funny to think that the exact same developement over time happened in Germany: we still have the same mechanically interlocked levers pulling ropes to semaphores (and won't get rid of them any time soon either), lots of signal boxes are operated with the relais push-a-button technology from the 2nd Half of the 20th century and in the last decades we rolled out more and more central operation centers. Same technical logic and developpement, and almost the same technical design over here! Thanks for the very interesting insights, perfectly explained Geoff!
@sunshiney_Sonnenschein
@sunshiney_Sonnenschein 4 ай бұрын
And I see that trend away from loco-hauled trains towards DMU/EMU here as well. Especially now with the new concept of the Twindexx (power cars that can haul normal carriages, essentially turning loco hauled trains into EMUs)
@dasy2k1
@dasy2k1 4 ай бұрын
And since 10 years ago (when they merged) the largest player in the UK signalling industry and the German signaling industry is the same company.... The UK traces it's history right back to Saxby and Farmer And the German side (whose name is still used) back to an electric telegraph pioneer by the name of Werner von Siemens
@timowagner1329
@timowagner1329 4 ай бұрын
Ja und heute hat der Fahrdienstleiter mal wieder geschwänzt und es durften keine Züge fahren...
@ianmurray250
@ianmurray250 4 ай бұрын
I have seen UK railway navy census information with births of children in Rouen, France, and Antwerp, Belgium. Having built many of the railways in Britain, British navies were working in, at least France and Belgium, and perhaps further a field, building European railways.
@frodolon
@frodolon 4 ай бұрын
Didn’t the federal train agency tell DB to replace their mechanical signal boxes asap because it’s just not possible to maintain the same safety standard as modern forms?
@homelab-student
@homelab-student 4 ай бұрын
Thanks Geoff, one of your best pieces of documentary film-making in my opinion and that really is saying something given all the great videos you've made to date! 😄
@geofftech2
@geofftech2 4 ай бұрын
Wow, thank you!
@LumoTransport
@LumoTransport 4 ай бұрын
Hey Geoff just to let you know ever since I saw All The Stations, ive always wanted to visit Corrour and now im staying in the same exact room you did! Thanks for inspiring me
@davidcronan4072
@davidcronan4072 4 ай бұрын
It's very appropriate that there is a statue of George Boole just outside Lincoln Central Station. The inventor of Boolian Logic paved the way for modern computing. In a way, the old mechanical interlocking still used the basic concept of "go, no go" in deciding if a route was safe.
@althejazzman
@althejazzman 4 ай бұрын
*Boolean. I'm not correcting you for the sake of it, but you can see how that spelling derives from his name better.
@jackiespeel6343
@jackiespeel6343 4 ай бұрын
George Boole was linked by marriage to George Everest and Wilfrid Voynich (to take just two of the interesting people in the family)
@Interdimensional27
@Interdimensional27 4 ай бұрын
​@@jackiespeel6343George Everest - double glazing titan? 🙃
@jackiespeel6343
@jackiespeel6343 4 ай бұрын
@@Interdimensional27 No, the mountain man (who said his name differently).
@benbrist
@benbrist 4 ай бұрын
Been outside Lincoln Central hundreds of times and never knew this - cool!
@thehaprust6312
@thehaprust6312 4 ай бұрын
I don't know why, but a video with Chris always makes me smile!
@fuzzynutter8344
@fuzzynutter8344 4 ай бұрын
It’s been a while since we’ve seen Chris. Good to see him on Geoff’s channel again!
@geofftech2
@geofftech2 4 ай бұрын
He always makes me smile too!
@chrisdenham9086
@chrisdenham9086 4 ай бұрын
Oh you guys!
@JP_TaVeryMuch
@JP_TaVeryMuch 4 ай бұрын
Mine of information, clearly presented, that's why you guy!
@Nooticus
@Nooticus 4 ай бұрын
Agreed! Chris had to be my favourite reoccurring guest!
@castlehighschool
@castlehighschool 4 ай бұрын
The modern signal boxes actually use a lot of the old techniques and therefore it is so important to learn the job from the beginning. As my training as a signal boxer began I started at an old signal box in Bad Neuenahr, Germany which was closed less than a year ago. During the two years of learning you make your way up to the electronic signal boxes. Interestingly you can even see how the newest signal boxes have developed over the years (late 1990s til today) and this make this job so interesting. Thank you so much for giving us a detailed look into Englands signal boxes!
@mdhazeldine
@mdhazeldine 4 ай бұрын
I take it the systems in Germany are very similar to ours?
@castlehighschool
@castlehighschool 4 ай бұрын
@mdhazeldine Yes, they are quite similar. Regarding the old technique, the main difference is that while the one shown here uses poles the one on Germany use cables and the levers need to be turned more. Germany then had a mix between mechanical and electric signal boxes which I am not sure were a thing in the UK. The relay signal boxes however look alot smarter in Germany, which (in my personal opinion) is also the fact with the electric signal boxes. After all, they mostly use the same techniques, so it's just more a layout thing.
@mdhazeldine
@mdhazeldine 4 ай бұрын
@@castlehighschool We do have some old style signal boxes that have used cables (I think?) and also had electrical/relay panels installed in them at a later date, or use a mix of both.
@atlantaman
@atlantaman 4 ай бұрын
Thankfully, Heritage railways lovingly preserve and still operate signal boxes and token systems. Long may that continue and long may we all value and support them.
@oldschoolpaul73
@oldschoolpaul73 4 ай бұрын
I didn’t know of your content Geoff, until this got forwarded to me by a couple of pals. It’s excellent. Nice to have met you. Best regards, Paul. Rlf sig at Littlehampton.
@chrisdenham9086
@chrisdenham9086 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for being a great host Paul!
@geofftech2
@geofftech2 4 ай бұрын
hey Paul! ah, thanks .. very kind. thanks for having us, and thanks for the tea! we had a cracking day.
@CNR5154
@CNR5154 4 ай бұрын
Thank you, Geoff and NR for the behind-the-scenes visits. As someone from N America, it is fascinating to see semaphores still used on a sophisticated rail network. It's one of the things that draws me to UK trains. I hope they remain as long as possible. Brilliant video as always!
@toady446
@toady446 4 ай бұрын
Great to see Tim still going strong. He was my Signalling Manager many moons ago!
@EdgyNumber1
@EdgyNumber1 4 ай бұрын
Travelling by train is awesome and despite what some might think, the people that keep it running - safely - are pretty awesome too. Great video Geoff!
@PassiveAgressive319
@PassiveAgressive319 3 ай бұрын
I pass the Three Bridges ROC on my daily commute and have always been curious about what goes on inside since it was built in 2014! Thanks Geoff my curiosity has been fulfilled!👏
@favesongslist
@favesongslist 4 ай бұрын
I so enjoyed this, brought back so many memories as my first job was at GEC General Signals, including relay interlocking. I specialised in the use of electronic communications called TDM systems to remote 'relay room' interlocking. BTW modern computing was invented in 1822 by Charles Babbage, predating railway signalling interlocking systems. Reminded me of so many stories I could tell from 50 years ago :)
@paulketchupwitheverything767
@paulketchupwitheverything767 4 ай бұрын
Tim gave a really clear and easy to follow explanation of the signalling machinery. I feel like I've seen several railway films showing a signalman pulling the levers but never the details about the differences in the levers and the machinery and interlocking system beneath. Great blurring effect on the train at 16:55
@oscarbear1043
@oscarbear1043 3 ай бұрын
Excellent work, signal boxes are the heart of safe rail operations, equivalent to air traffic control.
@Sabhoh
@Sabhoh 3 ай бұрын
Stop virtue signalling
@nmccw3245
@nmccw3245 4 ай бұрын
Very cool. The Raton subdivision north of me here in Albuquerque NM is the last US mainline that still uses semaphore signals. They can be seen for now when riding the Southwest Chief, but they probably won’t be around for much longer.
@EoRdE6
@EoRdE6 4 ай бұрын
Love the southwest chief, such a beautiful route, nothing like it in the UK
@00Zy99
@00Zy99 4 ай бұрын
A replacement project is already underway. If you want to make plans to see them, you are probably already too late. Of course, the semaphores on Raton were not mechanically controlled. They were FAR too remote for that. That remoteness was one of the reasons for their survival. The other reason was their low traffic. Raton Pass has 3.5% grades, and so over the course of the 20th Century freight traffic diverted to the Belen Cutoff and its 1.25% grades. Today, the only regular traffic on Raton is the Southwest Chief, which runs once a day in either direction. It was even threatened with abandonment until the government of New Mexico stepped in and bought it. There IS the possibility of increased traffic if various passenger rail proposals currently floating around happen, but its probably not something to hold ones breath about. The US DOES have some manned towers at particularly critical junctions, but they are mostly used by passenger trains and run by government agencies responsible for those particular passenger trains-most notably in Chicago's commuter rail system METRA. And the primary reason for those remaining is a mixture of lack of financial means and a desire to eventually replace those flat junctions with grade-separated systems. Otherwise, rail traffic is primarily operated remotely (potentially thousands of miles away). For the privately-owned freight railroads, its a question of saving money in not having to employ people at remote towers. I'm surprised that the savings of wages and mechanical equipment doesn't factor likewise across the Pond.
@JBS319
@JBS319 4 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure the last ones just came down within the past year. If not, there's probably only one pair left.
@Interdimensional27
@Interdimensional27 4 ай бұрын
​@@00Zy99it's usually the huge cost of replacing it all far outweighs the wages
@jacobgoerzen
@jacobgoerzen 4 ай бұрын
As of today (8-20-2024) Only 11 remain on this route
@KevinRudd-w8s
@KevinRudd-w8s 3 ай бұрын
Back in the sixties when I used to go trainspotting with my mates, I was always far more fascinated with the signals than the actual locos. Where I lived there was a mixture of upper and lower quadrant signals, one of the lines being ex GWR, but there were still some ex LNWR signals along with the more modern LMS and BR signals, there were even a few two and three aspect colour light signals. Luckily I managed to photograph some of the signal boxes and what was left of the gantries during the early eighties before they were demolished. Thank you for posting this interesting video.
@GingerKiwiDev
@GingerKiwiDev 4 ай бұрын
totally love this style of video! Thanks Geoff. I watched it while knitting a lace wrap/shawl - which became very relevant just a few minutes into the video. Train signals came in around the time that there was a lot of innovation and invention that led to the various different electronic computer systems we have today. Binary code comes from the Jacquard weaving looms in France developed in 1804-1805 by Joseph-Marie Jacquard that used punched cards to save the code for the complex two colour fabric designs. The first digital computer the "Difference Engine" then the Analytical Engine was designed by Charles Babbage - but couldn't be built with the technology in his time. Ada Lovelace "Augusta Ada King, Countess of Lovelace" (Lord Byron's daughter) wrote the first computer programs for the Analytical Engine. Her mother trained Ada in science and mathematics so she wouldn't end up like the philanderer her father was. ... Which set things up for the ROC to operate today (and NORAD ;-) ). You can see restored 1800s Jacquard weaving looms by visiting The Silk Mill at: "The Silk Museum, Park Lane, Macclesfield Cheshire, SK11 6TJ" Given the industrial revolution history there's a likely really cool railway connection. 🧶🚆
@kevelliott
@kevelliott 4 ай бұрын
In 1976 I was on a 4 week commute between Sunderland, down the coast, to Billingham. The whole line was operated by semaphore signals; the charm of those on their own, ignited my love of railways!
@XineasHD
@XineasHD 4 ай бұрын
Very nice to see the UK version of what will hopefully soon by my job in the Netherlands. I'm currently going through the recruitment process and trainings to become a signaller.
@jdavis460
@jdavis460 4 ай бұрын
I liked having the old signal boxes as you had another pair of eyes looking after their local sections. (Plus handy for hot water for the tea can)
@TheClockwise770
@TheClockwise770 4 ай бұрын
Great video Geoff, I live near the Littlehampton signal box and have always wanted to see inside it, thank you. Also the North London line still used semaphores until the late 1990s
@rickyzuc
@rickyzuc 4 ай бұрын
I do love semaphore signals, until fairly recently they were still in use on the Greenford branch line and I found it fascinating. You can see still infact an old set of signals from Greenford station on the old Acton-Northolt line. Fantastic video, very structured - loved it!
@tudibelle
@tudibelle 4 ай бұрын
10:00 thank you so much for showing this. I am always very nervous about level crossings, but knowing these checks are in place, and the diligence that Dean showed makes me feel so much less anxious. Thank you.
@Sim0nTrains
@Sim0nTrains 4 ай бұрын
Brilliantly presented Geoff. Really do love signal boxes and the old semaphore signals.
@TheDamo0313
@TheDamo0313 4 ай бұрын
I work as a developer supporting some of the software used at the ROCs an had the privilege to visit the ROC in Derby. Truly an impressive experience.
@adrianincroydon71
@adrianincroydon71 4 ай бұрын
I guess this signalling business is very complicated! I confess I assumed it was all completely automated. It's a real eye-opener to see how much human involvement there is.
@pauleff3312
@pauleff3312 4 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed this film - thank you for sharing. And well done to the railways people themselves for letting you in
@paul-88E
@paul-88E 4 ай бұрын
I enjoy all your videos being a train enthusiast/spotter myself. I grew up in South London and know the area well, so this video was very entertaining. Thanks Geoff.
@randomtrainfan6501
@randomtrainfan6501 4 ай бұрын
I was so bored couldn't find anything to watch on KZbin and then I see this video. Thanks geoff great job as always 👍:)
@davecude2189
@davecude2189 4 ай бұрын
Hello Geoff, nice to see this video. Brought back memories of when I was a S&T Technician on Chichester patch and Maintained the Littlehampton SB. Started on BR back in 1968 when it was all mechanical. Also done faulting and maintenance on the Brighton mainline from Brighton to Victoria VSC and all the branch lines. Nice to see 3 Bridges ASC and the same stairs I used to climb when on shift, here. Signalling has evolved in my many years, many good railway men as well.
@mikemainer3009
@mikemainer3009 4 ай бұрын
As a kid growing up in New York City I was always fascinated on how things worked on our rail network, the subway. Thanks Goeff for reminding me that I still have that little curious kid inside me.
@mumblbeebee6546
@mumblbeebee6546 4 ай бұрын
Many thanks to all three of you and all the others who accepted your presence with good grace! :0) This was a great view behind the scenes, but snappy, and Geoff was smiling so much, it warmed my heart!
@shugieshugied2269
@shugieshugied2269 4 ай бұрын
A very different work environment for signallers when you compare the lever box (where some points at a distance from the box could need a lot of effort) to the signalling centre. In many lever boxes the signaller would spend most of their working days on their own, in the signalling centre it appears to be very much more team based, with your line manager on hand much of the time. Good video, and well done Network Rail for allowing it to be made.
@ANDREWLEONARDSMITH
@ANDREWLEONARDSMITH 4 ай бұрын
Signalling centres are the railway equivalent of air traffic control which is where the concept evolved from.
@MJMC56
@MJMC56 4 ай бұрын
Fascinating video, thanks. My grandpa, fathers side, was a signalman who died in 1932 walking home along the tracks from his signal box and was allegedly struck by an unscheduled train. Sounds like hooey to me but the train company paid his wife compensation (a pitifully small sum) and she was allowed to live out her days in her railway cottage.
@raphaelnikolaus0486
@raphaelnikolaus0486 3 ай бұрын
Really love stuf fand information like that. Actually think, the general (train riding) public should also know more of this - at least a bit. I also love Chris. What a true sweetheart.
@kenstevens5065
@kenstevens5065 2 ай бұрын
Hi Geoff as you know we have a lot of manual signalling round here, Hereford, Worcester, Shropshire. Timings, reliability and timetables seem fine on the secondary routes. I bet the bean counters would love to see these old systems go!
@davidwright9013
@davidwright9013 4 ай бұрын
I'm definitely with Chris, I simply can't get my head round how people do this job, my brain just doesn't work that way and never could! Fascinating watch :)
@nickmiller76
@nickmiller76 4 ай бұрын
There are some jobs that need to be done by men.
@nigelgilesD401
@nigelgilesD401 Ай бұрын
Brilliant. As an IRSE licensed signalling principles tester myself, at last I can show this to my wife and she can understand the industry I have been involved with for 45 years. Thanks Geoff.
@dedistaulapanodki6293
@dedistaulapanodki6293 4 ай бұрын
Fascinating. The juxtaposition of 19th century mechanical signalling with the 21st century monitor showing the approaching train movements is an indication of one the biggest challenges: making all the different systems work together. Working in Signals & Telecomms back in the 1980s, I was impressed how they managed to work out the immensely complicated interlocking was using just relays (thousands and thousands of the power-hungry bu**ers). And standing in one of the smaller relay rooms, you could tell as trains passed through the section controlled by it from the "chatter" of the relays moving through the room as the train triggered block sections and signals changed aspect.
@CMD_Line
@CMD_Line 4 ай бұрын
This was brilliant! Can we have more please Geoff!
@alunhoskins4513
@alunhoskins4513 4 ай бұрын
Well what a great video this one was. Absolute respect to the signal men and women for the job they do. This was fascinating. Way, way back….in 1980 in fact…I was a ‘Bobby on the beat’ in Crawley and the signal box at the level crossing in the town was a ‘tea stop’. The signalman was a gent, name of Len. You could just see the old signal box base in one of the screens at Three Bridges in this video. I was full of respect for the responsibility placed on these guys shoulders back then and I really do take my hat off to them today.
@PeterTorr
@PeterTorr 2 ай бұрын
That was very interesting Geoff shows how far signaling has come over the centuries! Makes train travel all the more interesting especially with all the new lines and stations opening! Keep it up brilliant 😊
@teejayy2130
@teejayy2130 4 ай бұрын
That was brilliant video. It's best watched on the telly. All your videos are tv quality👍
@geofftech2
@geofftech2 4 ай бұрын
that's very kind of you to say, thank you!
@MonkeyTennis89
@MonkeyTennis89 4 ай бұрын
Fantastic video, as a driver it's always interesting seeing the person on the other end of the GSM-R doing their job. On my patch our final semaphores were replaced 4-5 years ago, so very happy that I had the experience of driving under this system as well as more standard TCB Colour Lights!
@silverstar1964
@silverstar1964 4 ай бұрын
Best video ever Geoff, absolutely outstanding. Only surprise for me, as I'd clearly misunderstood, is that even with ETCS there are still traditional signals trackside rather than in the cab. Wonderful job by Network Rail hosting you and explaining everything so clearly.
@geofftech2
@geofftech2 4 ай бұрын
ah, thank you .. kind comment!
@fruitloop3733
@fruitloop3733 4 ай бұрын
There are different configurations and levels of ETCS deployment, retaining existing lamps on sticks style signalling concurrently with ETCS deployment is often used to facilitate migration when not all rolling stock is fitted with ETCS on board equipment at the time of ETCS deployment. In due course when all trains that use the ETCS area are fitted then the traditional colour light signalling can be removed.
@Tyrannosaurus_Wrexx
@Tyrannosaurus_Wrexx 4 ай бұрын
That NORAD room is what we called SCADA, when I operated the light rail train in Dallas, Texas. It stands for Supervisory Control And Data Acquisition
@althejazzman
@althejazzman 4 ай бұрын
@@denelson83 Did you watch the video? The bit where Geoff compares it to his favourite film.
@dieterverschueren
@dieterverschueren 4 ай бұрын
Yes, WarGames is also one of my all time favourite films! 🤩 This video was so cool to watch, well done!
@fuzzynutter8344
@fuzzynutter8344 4 ай бұрын
Where I live, one of the stations, Worcester Shrub Hill, has a wonderful array of semaphore signals still in operation.
@100SteveB
@100SteveB 4 ай бұрын
I was a regular traveller on the Brighton line back in the 80's and can remember when the Three bridges ASC came into operation. All so modern back then, now looking so dated. Very interesting video Geoff, really enjoy these 'look behind the scenes' type vids.
@ianmcclavin
@ianmcclavin 4 ай бұрын
I lived near Three Bridges for over 40 years. I can remember when the Rail Operations Centre and ASC didn't exist, and the main London to Brighton line, plus associated branches, had numerous smaller signal boxes along the routes. Not all corresponded to station locations, we had "Streatham Junction" (near Streatham Common Station), "Gloucester Road Junction" (just north of East Croydon, where the main lines to London Bridge and Vuctoria diverge), and "Stoat's Nest Junction" (near Purley). Three Bridges itself had its own small box, situated at the southern end of Platform 2.
@tonyshield5368
@tonyshield5368 4 ай бұрын
Just loved this signalling YT. What great access and great people to work with.
@Boffin55
@Boffin55 4 ай бұрын
I remember as a kid in the late 70s I had a distant uncle who was a signalman at Surbiton. I remember spending an hour or so in the signalbox one evening; and the (then) giant panel taht was about a 10-15 mile stretch of the South West Mail Line (and a few minor lines). I remember that the level crossings all had CCTV, and the signalmen had to turn on the flashing lights, wait for the cars to stop, then drop the gates, (all done via CCTV) then set the signal. I still look for that box (it's still there) when I whiz past..
@christophervalkoinen6358
@christophervalkoinen6358 4 ай бұрын
This is a genuinely excellent video Geoff. A fantastic introduction to the principals that keep the railway safe. Well done. Probably not intentional but great timing as NRM just put out a video on Sunday about the class 700s using ATO on Thameslink.
@nomadMik
@nomadMik 4 ай бұрын
This isn't just one of the most interesting and well done videos you've made, Geoff, but it's one of the most interesting and well done videos on KZbin.
@fuzzylon
@fuzzylon 4 ай бұрын
Wow !!! Fantastic Video !! I have always found signalling fascinating. It's wonderful to have a close look like this.
@aaronwilcox2780
@aaronwilcox2780 4 ай бұрын
Interesting that the CCTV that gives the signal operator a view of what's going on at the level crossing switches off as soon as the operator presses the "Crossing clear" button. So if anything happens after that time the only thing preventing a potential accident is the train crew noticing something's wrong and being able to bring the train to a halt in time.
@PokhrajRoy.
@PokhrajRoy. 4 ай бұрын
Burning question since 2007 for me, actually. Dreams can come true.
@mikehill2274
@mikehill2274 3 ай бұрын
Thank you Geoff. That was brilliant, and really interesting. I could watch signalling all day. 👍👍
@MrGreatplum
@MrGreatplum 4 ай бұрын
Always good to have Chris in the videos. I found this fascinating as this is all very much in my neck of the woods!
@MartinBrenner
@MartinBrenner 4 ай бұрын
In Germany we also have these 3 steps of evolution of signalling. The oldest being mechanical lever frames looking a bit more massive than the British ones, the second being electromechanical with the most common one called SpDrS60 (line plan and push button signalling system) being used from 1963 and finally electronic and digital signalling like the ROC shown in the video. Very interesting to see how signalling works over there, thanks for showing us inside!
@bobseago1513
@bobseago1513 4 ай бұрын
You bring us 'tales of the unexpected' Geoff. So many absorbing rail features.
@kr46428
@kr46428 4 ай бұрын
What an incredible inside look at Network Rail's different signaling operations. This makes me very interested in learning more about how it all works.
@Nooticus
@Nooticus 4 ай бұрын
Phenomenal video as always Geoff. Love to see the lovely Chris again, as well as getting a reminder of how much manual human concentration and work goes into something that most people take for granted. Mindblowing that there are people controlling the super high frequency thameslink core
@alexdreamer9950
@alexdreamer9950 4 ай бұрын
Another superb video Geoff. Great to have an insight into something the vast majority of us take completely for granted when travelling on a train.
@x--.
@x--. Ай бұрын
Not gonna lie. With all the screens today; the 1980s tactile buttons with light up boards was way more appealing to me than the screens on screens on screens. Great, great tour and guests.
@StephenRossiter
@StephenRossiter 4 ай бұрын
Terrific video. Very enjoyable and very informative about what I was always curious about. Thank you!
@siccodierdorp6947
@siccodierdorp6947 4 ай бұрын
Wow, this was very interesting. I knew semaphore signalling was still in use in Britain (in The Netherlands the last mainline use of them was in the early 80s, last NX went in the early 90s), but was very surprised that the modern ROC still uses manual signalling. It;''s all automated here with automated pathing commands, our signallers can only overrule when needed.
@creesch
@creesch 4 ай бұрын
It's very interesting indeed as everything in the Netherlands (As you said) is automated with various abstraction layers under it depending on the safety system it eventually controls, although none of those will involve semaphores. It also means that all 12 ROC equivalents (They are called something that translates to Traffic management posts) in the Netherlands are standardized, so they run the same software and have the same hardware where the key difference is the configuration for the area they are responsible for. The UK still having various different ways of doing so and various more legacy systems makes me wonder how much extra cost is involved there. Although I also realize that getting the budget to replace it all is something else entirely.
@tomdavis3942
@tomdavis3942 4 ай бұрын
So cool, thanks for bringing us this and for network Rail for the access given to bring this to us (Aussie from Qld here)
@robertwalsh1724
@robertwalsh1724 4 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@aviator3926
@aviator3926 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for covering this! I joined Network Rail in January as a Signaller and am so glad that I did. It's weird where life takes you!
@tucker9162
@tucker9162 4 ай бұрын
Can I have a line block please signaller? I have a GZAC 🙂
@backwheelbob46rr
@backwheelbob46rr 4 ай бұрын
​@@tucker9162the most hated phone call we receive 🤣
@scottpannell2286
@scottpannell2286 4 ай бұрын
Something about a semaphore I loved. This it was knowing that there was an element of human cause and effect! I miss the huge stacks of them at Barnetby.
@mpersad
@mpersad 4 ай бұрын
Another fascinating video on the train network, wonderful access to things we never see. Thank you, terrific!
@ClaytonCarte
@ClaytonCarte 4 ай бұрын
Fantastic video! I love the comparison and contrast between old and new. How cool to learn some parts of the railroad still use semaphore signals.
@jonr6680
@jonr6680 4 ай бұрын
Fantastic video, best produced & top interviews, voiceover, editing etc. 100pc rival to any TV production. Managed to avoid a blatant sensationalist b-roll of some random crash... bravo. But maybe that is another video topic?
@pauldelcour
@pauldelcour 4 ай бұрын
Those signalling centres twist my mind, it's mind boggeling what goes on there. Lovely visit!
@davidgibson1978
@davidgibson1978 4 ай бұрын
Thanks Geoff for this documentary on signalling covering the first type of signalling system right through to the modern-age signalling to show how the signallers keep the trains moving safely to ensure us passengers get to our destinations safely.
@jacquelineharrod6386
@jacquelineharrod6386 4 ай бұрын
Hooray for Littlehampton! A fascinating video as always. Thank you.😅
@backwheelbob46rr
@backwheelbob46rr 4 ай бұрын
Great video, i was on duty at Three bridges asc over on panel 2 you looked pretty busy so thought I'd leave you to it 👍🏼 glad you enjoyed your visit pop back another time,
@geofftech2
@geofftech2 4 ай бұрын
Ah, you shoud have said hello - Hello! 👋
@lukewolsey
@lukewolsey 4 ай бұрын
What a great video. We spent a week in London last week and I was marvelling my family with my knowledge of the underground.
@marksaddler
@marksaddler 4 ай бұрын
Fascinating to see the progression and how it all works 👍
@shaundaniels2127
@shaundaniels2127 4 ай бұрын
What a great video Geoff, nice seeing you again at Littlehampton. What a great video to help understand signalling
@geofftech2
@geofftech2 4 ай бұрын
hey Shaun !! ha ha, yes. this what we were doing. nice to bump into you again!
@shaundaniels2127
@shaundaniels2127 4 ай бұрын
@geofftech2 this was brilliant even my partner loved how educational it was to understand signalling alot better
@aguyinisaan1835
@aguyinisaan1835 4 ай бұрын
As an ex- Thameslink driver we used to call three bridges box “the snooker club” because we always had a red before getting another colour at the major stations. The amount of delays we encountered because of late running south central services was criminal, if it was booked in advance of our service we had to wait. I never understood the logic, why make another train late unnecessarily because of another late running service? The arguments between one of our senior operating managers and their train regulators were legendary!
@cigmorfil4101
@cigmorfil4101 3 ай бұрын
Because of transfers? Passengers on train B want to use train C. As B is timetabled to arrive before C this is no problem, unless train B was made late by train A running late. If C is let go before B you get all the angry passengers on B who missed C, particularly when train B or C isn't very frequent.
@Aardvarkanybody
@Aardvarkanybody 4 ай бұрын
Thanks
@bobseago1513
@bobseago1513 4 ай бұрын
Brilliant. Enlightening in the same way as one of Don Coffey's cab rides on a freight train.
@javindo
@javindo 4 ай бұрын
This was an excellent video, put together os well going through them chronologically especially. I feel the title is almost the opposite of clickbait, really undersold it!
@RichardWells1
@RichardWells1 4 ай бұрын
Great documentary, Geoff. More like this please!
@Carlos-im3hn
@Carlos-im3hn 4 ай бұрын
fantastic detail, discussions, and locations. Learning a great deal here and getting up to speed. I am from across the pond. Thanks Geoff !
@jamfjord
@jamfjord 4 ай бұрын
Amazing video, the fascinating information delivered in an engaging and entertaining way, the editing, the b roll; just sublime. Up there with the best of anything the BBC et al can muster with all the resources they can call upon, to my uneducated viewer's eye anyway. Bravo and thank you! PS was half expecting @WesternSignalman to pop up in the background
@fullfat1
@fullfat1 4 ай бұрын
Thanks Geoff for showing my local area :) Semaphores on the Littlehampton branch always seem like a bit of a 19th century throwback albeit a charming one and those mechanical interlocks look fascinating. The rest of the Arun valley line was finally re-signalled about about 5 years ago and a friend from Network Rail explained that some of the semaphore signals there still used gas lights right up until the upgrade. I often wonder if he was pulling my leg but somehow I doubt it...
@oldschoolpaul73
@oldschoolpaul73 4 ай бұрын
Hi, the Arun Valley went a decade ago now, unbelievably. And yes, they only went to battery lighting 3 years before the end.
@LKBRICKS1993
@LKBRICKS1993 4 ай бұрын
I love the old style signal box snd semaphore signslsvery interesting i love looking at old railway history.
@OpenbaarVervoer2D
@OpenbaarVervoer2D 4 ай бұрын
I love how all these buildings breath all the different eras from the 19th century, up till that 70's office look and then all of a sudden Beautiful green tiling in a staircase.
@chrisd4987
@chrisd4987 4 ай бұрын
Great video and subject Tim was fantastic to listen to
@mxh5647
@mxh5647 4 ай бұрын
Watching that Littlehampton switch setup and your conversation re computers made my brain immediately say Charles Babbage/ Ada Lovelace. Fascinating video Geoff. Thanks.
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