Ange Postecoglu FUMES with VAR Decision! | Germany 2-0 Denmark | ITV Sport

[@leftthebuildingritz2065]

Ange is my favourite pundit right now

[@patrickdoyle9304]

He’s not emotionally constipated like the English

[@andrewray9200]

@@patrickdoyle9304 Or scared to give his honest opinion.

[@isnowyuk]

fr, I actually can't get enough of him & all his points are great, he literally does everything for the sport & the people. Actually making a point/arguement even from all of them, speaking honestly even if they were only allowed a few sentences. It genuinely felt really fresh. All we gotta do is somehow make the people using the technology aware of what the overall vision of football should be, how people want these rules to look, ofc people may have varying opinions but the most annoying thing is the uncertainty in the rules, it feels like everyday i see some new bs var thing happening where they managed to wiggle through & validate a negative outcome, as ange says, no one will speak of the mistakes if the goal was allowed. Stupid to disallow it, utter stupidity. But back to ange i hope we keep seeing him lol

[@DeanH92]

I was expecting a lot more due to the title of the video. Easily amused knobs in the comments lmaooo

[@HushKnowledge]

Wasn't he the same person that told Arteta and other managers not to speak about referring decisions 😂😂.

[@utdfortreble]

The issue is that unintentional handballs like this in the box are penalised much too strongly. A penalty is just too harsh of a punishment for the offence. It should be an indirecr free kick

[@Guerillatoker]

That's a fair point

[@SR1Records]

100% this! Indirect free kick. Who knows where that cross (and any cross) would go if it didn't accidently hit the hand of the defender. It could have missed everyone in the box! A penalty for a blocked cross that accidently hits a hand? Come on! Might as well just train the youth to go down the side and intentionally aim at the defender's hand/arm!

[@itsmeprasad1987]

That just killed the game

[@Manpro107]

​@SR1Records And the thing is that didn't even block the cross. Not one person saw that and said "oh that should be a pen!" I've seen a ball clearly deflected by a hand intentionally and not a pen given

[@rajsub3884]

Agree that not fair

[@NoOne-ks8tu]

We have come to a point where you have to pray your nipples arent offside and where you are better off having no arms as a defender. 'The beautiful game' has become a joke.

[@Stanleyhamer]

Rules are rules.

[@dez3540]

@@Stanleyhamer Yeah, it's the rules themselves that don't make sense - _that's_ the whole point.

[@gomey70]

@@dez3540 They make total sense. He's either on or off, and he was off. It's a marginal call but that's sport.

[@SirAntoniousBlock]

I'm no fan of Wenger but his proposal to change the offside law to "clear daylight" has merit, because that was the original intention in the rulebook that nipples offside didn't really gain you an advantage.

[@jimmylam9846]

All balls implanted with sensor which could detect very touch !

[@kuruman1]

The Danish manager pointed out that he’s been told by officials that players should NOT be running around with their hands behind their backs. So they are encouraged to run normally but then proximity is taken away. This is just so dumb. NO ONE thinks that should be a PK, but the current rules say it is. That’s a rule problem.

[@interceptor7905]

Too many rules

[@raybp7512]

i thought it should be a PK

[@joshuaombaka3116]

My shock is, it did not change the direction of the ball, why would that be even a penalty?

[@raybp7512]

@@joshuaombaka3116 we are football fans not physics experts maybe it changed some element of the speed of the cross who knows. either way it is his hand and his hand was extended out. If they dont call it then many players will start trying to use a few fingers to disrupt a pass and say "the trajectory didnt change so its not handball"

[@MogensDam]

Yes, but the central referee has still the option to decide otherwise - was it intentional og not!

[@NonHalalBacon]

"Deliberate handball" has now become, ball hits hand no matter how close or how fast. Pure nonsense.

[@germinator93]

At least it’s a clear rule now. Handball is one of the worst rules to pay out on the pitch as a ref. Especially with no VAR. Where does the arm start? How did the arm move ? Proximity? There is just too much to it. I rather have all Handball’s called then none or the wrong ones. Will we see more penalties? Yes. Is it good for the game? No.

[@maxp5422]

You can never know if it's deliberate or not refs are not mind readers it should never be in the description I just can't believe fifa uefa can't write the rule down in a proper understandable way

[@sbadrawi2011a]

Qatar 2022 FWC was the best World Cup ever.

[@christianmuller292]

VAR is now used for anything and has become a nuisance more than anything else. It was supposed to be used for very specific things but now it's for more or less anything. You even end up wondering why there's a referee ? In some countries like Japan or China you rarely see less than 10mn stoppage time and it's often 15 to 20 minutes for "catch up" but by stopping the game all the time for any decision to be made they'll end up by making the game boring to watch as you need fluidity in the game. Like VAR to see if the penalty is good or not or if the ball went past the line but it's become something that has to give excitement on any decision. And what's this habit to give a penalty when the ball strikes a players hand unintentionally ? There's a difference between scratching your head and scalping yourself as my late mother would have said. We're crossing dangerous lines and killing football. We're going too far as always.

[@EmilHøjer]

​@maxp5422 Yes you can. It's easy to spot a deliberate handball from an accidental one. It's one of the easiest things to spot in all of football, actually😂

[@andypandy2848]

What happened to intentional handball? Hand to ball instead of ball to hand?

[@theredjoker8857]

How is the referee supposed to always distinguish correctly?

[@hans-juergenbrasch3683]

This is why it was given, the hand went upwards, towards the ball

[@Black4Cook]

@@hans-juergenbrasch3683 he was running, that's natural that the arm moves. He even tries to turn and block the ball with his side, but he shot on his not angel arm from like 50 cm.

[@orange555]

"intentional handball" typically comes with a red card. Incidental handball is still a handball, and inside the box that comes with a penalty. Cry more and learn the game.

[@orange555]

@@Black4Cook Incidental contact doesn't matter - his hand hit the ball. Are you new to this sport or what?

[@philipkefford5644]

This is an excellent clip. All 3 pundits, the US refereeing expert and the host. Brilliant discussion.

[@-441-]

I agree.

[@henryedmond9425]

female pundits get a bad name but this lady absolutely killed it. good to see women more involved in the sport when they actually know what theyre talking about - not just because they are a woman

[@-441-]

@@henryedmond9425 i AGREE

[@PaulCSmithPhotographer]

Watching the championship last year was a breath of fresh air, no VAR ... no problem

[@well_i_liked_it]

Frank Lampard 2010 has entered the chat.

[@gilgamesh8334]

Lmao what? You mean when England cheated Denmark out of the euros?

[@well_i_liked_it]

@@gilgamesh8334 No "Lmao", I mean that without VAR people complain about the result of games for decades like Geoff Hurst goal 1966, like Maradona goal 1986, like Frank Lampard goal 2010. People who complain about VAR seem to prefer unnecessary terrible decisions being preferable.

[@Maccaxxx]

I'm going to watch the Championship next season, VAR is killing the game as entertainment along with Man City.

[@well_i_liked_it]

@@Maccaxxx Pretty sure you won't. The closest premiership race in decades with 3 teams in the hunt till almost the last game. and you think it's ruined?!

[@robpayne2918]

This problem ruined the spurs/Liverpool champions league final too. Can’t believe it’s still happening.

[@bradrockl8330]

Spurs were never winning that final let's start there

[@mikem9309]

It’s baffling to me that the PL teams voted to keep it

[@robpayne2918]

@@bradrockl8330 to be fair they played better in the final. Goal ruined the game.

[@AJ-nd4nk]

​@@robpayne2918 Didn't ruin anything.

[@SuperCholdi]

Spurs had 88 minutes to do something about it. The best response they could come up with was to concede another goal.

[@riobabic8960]

The 2018 World Cup France got a penalty because after 5 minutes of viewing they determined the ball touched Perisic’s finger. It didn’t matter that the ball rolled down the French players arm !

[@sbadrawi2011a]

Qatar 2022 FWC was the best World Cup ever.

[@MrRoztoc]

​@@sbadrawi2011alol 🤡

[@brentboojhawan5645]

​@sbadrawi2011a it probably was the the first you ever saw

[@pn9468]

It was the worst​@@sbadrawi2011a

[@SamCovington-fh7ek]

Farewell Clive Tyldesley and thank you for everything you've been incredible 28 years and ITV treated him like this? Where was the tribute

[@iainog44]

They did a small piece before the game

[@SamCovington-fh7ek]

Whoopee Is that all? 28 years just for a small tribute he should've got the same tribute as Klopp did when he left Liverpool

[@leannecampbell4551]

He's a White and Hetrosexual Male, what do you possibly expect from the Woke/Lib--tard ITV clowns??

[@iainog44]

@@SamCovington-fh7ek Agree have been listening for years and Clive was a pro as always tonight

[@SO-SOgood]

Boring

[@jakehowie442]

Love this referee official, she explains rules so well and most intelligent there. Unfortunately FIFA and UEFA come up with the stupid rules in this instance.

[@tyronevaldez-kruger5313]

True. If fans would listen to her closely they would rather blame the IFA that set the clinical rules. The referees just do their job as Keane use to say

[@ajc1482]

​@@tyronevaldez-kruger5313no VAR re ref every decision, the final day should be down to the ref on the pitch. If Oliver says no penalty after watching the screen then it's not for the video official to make him give it.

[@tyronevaldez-kruger5313]

@@ajc1482 the ref is not in charge though even the FIFA has no say. It's the IFA that restricted the referee on the pitch. They might be replaced though drones with a whistle

[@tyronevaldez-kruger5313]

@@ajc1482 Refs might be replaced through drones with a whistle

[@krishenchetty2536]

Yea the problem is you don't see her or ethnic minorities being represented in the top flight in England. It's the same generic 35-50 white man, who are all equally bad at their job. I mean Michael Oliver and Anthony Taylor, England's UEFA representatives are two of the worst culprits, yet somehow continue getting the big games/tournaments. It doesn't need a detective to work out that something isn't right with how officials are being elected.

[@sanmateoflights]

Offside and handball cannot be so microscopic The game is broken

[@Faisal-hp7kr]

Offside take is ridiculous, offsides are a matter of fact we cannot make it subjective - you’re either off or you’re on.

[@mrherbal]

The hand changed the trajectory of the ball. If that’s not a Handball because he’s standing close, just run up to a player and slap the ball away

[@manoz6194]

@@Faisal-hp7kr Football is a game played with the feet so why on Earth are they using other body parts to determine offsides? That's what makes me mad about all this VAR crap

[@Black4Cook]

Offside is black or white. You can't start to say everything under 20 cm is not offside anymore. Because than you have a problem to determine if you are 19 cm offside or 21.

[@orange555]

Either the ball hit his hands inside the box or it didn't. In this case, it did, and it changed the trajectory of the ball. Intent and incidental movement doesn't matter.

[@tonybullion2537]

From the VAR pictures it is ABSOLUTELY clear that the offending players eyes are not on the ball. He is looking downwards and away from the ball, the ball goes to hand not the other way round. These decisions are killing football. I don’t always agree with Keane but, like him, I hate it when defenders put their hands behind their back as it is an unnatural stance and ineffective as a defence.

[@markkeohane9850]

Can you imagine a situation similar to this one where a player puts his hands behind his back then, as his opponent kicks the ball he turns his head and body away and...the ball hits his hands behind his back. His hands and arms are in an unnatural position. Penalty. It's only a matter of time. Perhaps it's already happened.

[@grubnlicht]

Eyes on the ball is not the criteria. Most of the goalkeepers dont watch the ball when they parry it...

[@tonybullion2537]

@@grubnlicht I was making the point that the player did not handle the ball intentionally, his eyes were focused away from the ball. The VAR decision is ludicrous and the rule needs to be readdressed. What with the offside rule coming down to a couple of millimetres the whole game is becoming a joke, FFS!

[@grubnlicht]

@@tonybullion2537 in this case the intention is irrelevant, cause he stops the ball from getting dangerous. I think handballs near the body or from very short distance are punished way to often. Nevertheless I agree on the offside rule. Its ridiculous to rule out a goal because of a fingertip...

[@SCW_Fitness]

Full credit to the lady for explaining the law, whilst being open to arguments that the law itself may not be great.

[@AdamZadig]

I agree. She explained it well. Shes miles ahead of our female pundits.

[@AdamZadig]

​@@stnbch3025she literally eexplained the law

[@stnbch3025]

​​​​@@AdamZadig No she never explained it. She applied it proving her incompetence. Handling the ball For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. Not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence. It is an offence if a player: • deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball • touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised • scores in the opponents’ goal: • directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper • immediately after the ball has touched their hand/arm, even if accidental

[@AdamZadig]

@@stnbch3025 which he did. He twisted his body and lifted his hand UP to block the ball. If he was a good player he would have thrown his shoulder at it. But hes Danish and below average.

[@Mewtwosmrmime]

​@@AdamZadig That is one of the dumbest takes I've ever seen. Average because of his nationality 😂 I assume Haaland is average because he's Norwegian?

[@garyp3795]

Remember when football was simple?

[@peterruff5810]

Never was that was why they brought VAR in and it become even more awkward.

[@muci1333]

Hand ist Hand ✋🏼 simple

[@MrSheduur]

@@muci1333 true, if anything it may be simpler now than before with all the extra cases. it still feels weird if you still know how it used to be called just years ago.

[@muci1333]

@@MrSheduur yes i understand. It was clearly Hand and thats simply forbidden.

[@jrj765]

Yeah like when if someone is offside then they are offside. Which they were today but Ange is mad about it. What a demented clown

[@andrewbantick6311]

100% VAR is in charge the ref on the pitch is the assistant passing on VAR decisions

[@hotdog9262]

oliver could absolutely have rejected the handball. the offside by a centimeter was a wrong as well imo.. not to mention the dozens of decisions that went germanys way all over the pitch for most of the game. its usual story of the big getting needed decisions vs the small. why even bother qualifiying

[@LazyRecap32]

The Handball and the offside are the only hot topic discussion points, ignore his part about dozens of decisions going Germany’s way etc. sounds like venting anger and would only be a legit assumption if he gave Germany the goal minute 4 as well

[@jacquelineithell307]

What did you expect Germany playing , and a English ref , l rest my case and l am English , but that ref is dire Simple watch him in England as a ref , absolutely useless

[@hotdog9262]

@@jacquelineithell307 useless is one thing. partial is another

[@MogensDam]

The central referee on the pitch decides ultimately - that's the rules!

[@sunnytimes_]

The proximity case was taken away 3 years ago?! Wtf... arguably the most important point that was protecting players from stupid handballs

[@Will-sg8jt]

All starting to add up now. They're putting refs common sense of "that's never a penalty" against some stupid revisionist rules drilled into them. That's why there's no consistency

[@leannecampbell4551]

They must have covertly taking that rule away in the middle of the night without any formal announcement or notification, just like the establishment do with our Rights and Liberties. How fitting!

[@jackhamilton5250]

It was about the silhouette rule which I don't think is a bad rule. You shouldn't be allowed to make your body bigger regardless of how close you are by throwing out an elbow or hand

[@HusseinDoha]

@@leannecampbell4551 it’s a penalty if he blocked the cross. But my issue is that it hit his thigh first then it hit his arm. The deflection of the thigh caused the arm hit.

[@HusseinDoha]

@@jackhamilton5250 it’s a penalty if he blocked the cross. But my issue is that it hit his thigh first then it hit his arm. The deflection of the thigh caused the arm hit.

[@johnk7025]

How do we know the VAR 3d model wasn't edited with changed angles or few frames late. We didn't see the real life replay on TV.

[@MogensDam]

The female commentator is wrong! Proximity is NOT out of the rules, and the hand is NOT above shoulder height, Anderson is turning while running. Movement of the arm is a natural thing to keep in balance. There is absolute NOTHING he could do to avoid this - except being an arm amputee - sorry for the harsh statement - but that is the thing. This particular VAR rule is absolute nonsense. Alone the fact that most of the experts on the panel come to the same conclusion is disturbing. SO - the decision is arbitrary: What does the central referee and VAR think in THIS particular situation. I personally think the referee in the stressed situation didn't have the courage to counter the VAR. CONCLUSION: VAR isn't better than the decision made by a referee WITHOUT VAR!

[@leeeichenbaum9045]

where is "proximity" included in Law 12, Handling the ball?

[@MogensDam]

@@leeeichenbaum9045 Not mentioned directly, but in practice "The proximity of the player from where the ball was struck is often taken into consideration when referees are judging whether a deliberate action has been taken." This quote is from: www.radiotimes.com/tv/sport/football/handball-football-explained/. Other formulations of these same situations can be found several places.

[@steve13191]

Michael oliver stuart atwell and anthony taylor are the worst referees in the world and they look so smug while doing it too

[@KevinMole-cj3kl]

They are rubbish

[@XxNoDDzxX]

Bottom of the pile fosho

[@Goofydownrange]

Every referee should be under investigation for match fixing

[@tuhindey377]

100% agree , I wonder how FiFA sees them as world class referees? They are so inconsistent even with the technologies.

[@mogsy1977]

Anthony Taylor is the worst.He thinks people turn up to watch him referee.His attitude is a disgrace.

[@mickyeverton]

VAR is chipping away at The Greatest Sport In The World!! 🤦⚽🤦⚽

[@cainneachdaugherty7172]

Don't mention the VAR.

[@Leontemplar-yt6ff]

It’s the people in that room that’s the problem.

[@tiburon82]

Keano's body language was like "what are you talking about?" while the lady was speaking. There are so many things gone wrong with football, it has become unwatchable.

[@lardosian]

Was thinking the exact same..

[@mattkilsby947]

Tbf it’s not her fault. She is accurately and eloquently describing why that incident is a “correct” handball call *according to the current rules*. They definitely all think the current rules are shit, as does most of the audience, but she’s just helping clarify what the current rules are.

[@jayb2705]

The more they tick boxes, the more we will switch off. They are going after movies and games as well, which is fine because we will just find other stuff to do than listen to their stupid "message"

[@frankiebhoyz2169]

Then hes pretty stupid isn't he. Any reasonable person can understand her lol

[@shinjenriz]

@@jayb2705 What box did they tick with this one?

[@gerogerogero2]

Why’s everyone complaining about the offside being so close when the scoring striker was much further offside in the same exact moment. He clearly interfered, even drawing a defender out. They should’ve just shown that in VAR. Also the handball, while accidental, blocked a dangerous cross. You gotta draw the line clearly. It’s the same for any team in any match. The only debatable decision was the disallowed 1:0. Note that this happened against Switzerland as well. Calling it rigged for Germany is total bs. Maybe English fans are just salty because they’re afraid.

[@kalinmehmet]

I think the old "is the ball catches the hand or the hand catches the ball" rule was clear enough. And mostly accurate. VAR shouldn't involve hand play cases.

[@yeoooo]

That offside was ridiculous too. What happened to being “in line”? Who decided that rule needed to be changed?

[@cliffwong2694]

A grade 6 student would be able to make a VAR graph of off side or no off side.

[@CapturingCornwall]

Mate these rules are basically ruled out with this tech.

[@x-pw4qk]

Everyone discusses and complains about the fact that he was 1 cm offside with his foot and that such a decision would be ridiculous. But when Germany lost to Japan at the World Cup and the ball was virtually out of bounds, everyone said that the ball was not completely out of bounds because it would have been 1 cm in the field. That's your double standard, you always take it into account as it suits you. 1cm offside is and remains off the beaten track

[@paulw6183]

The rule has never changed, if you're 1cm past the last defender you're still offside. If there is one thing var is consistent on its offsides, although personally I'm with you, it's always been benefit of the doubt to the forward as if you're a few inches off you're not gaining any real advantage, I don't want to see goals ruled out for having a toe or shoulder just offside.

[@hotdog9262]

@@x-pw4qk how can they use VAR to disallow for 1 cm ..when it is impossible to determine when the ball left the foot of the passer?

[@jeanjacqueslundi3502]

My problem with the handball is that I saw the referee and the images he had on the field...........and they just show the frames where he connects with the ball! There is no context.......the referee doesn't know where the hand and the player and the ball were the frame before to correctly assess.

[@hussainduale8162]

As a current Football Coach, i agree with Roy Keane. “Having your hands behind you back to defend 1v1 could lead loseing your balance and falling down.”

[@theoaure3774]

The people writing the rules don't know how to play or even run. No one plays looking like a penguin swaying side to side. That being said, she's wrong in this anyways. Proximity was probably removed because it's irrelevant 99% of the time as "deliberate" or "unnatural position for the specific situation" rule out or in most of those calls. For example, if I jump for a corner and my hands are above my head, it doesn't matter if the ball hits my hand directly from the corner or someone 2 feet away from me heads it into my hands, the unnatural position is what makes it a handball. She's also wrong in saying "because his left hand his by his side his right hand should be there too and that's the natural position for it in this moment."

[@conversekid204]

I've just seen Germany hit a cucurella had a hand two feet out from his body and the ball struck further away and it not given!!! They are calling matches at this point

[@_RandomPea]

If he was Ashley Young that's never a pen, Oliver gives this one but not the one against Forest... Absolute joke! 🤯 😂😂😂😂

[@robphilpott43]

…and yet Forest voted in favour of VAR.

[@54321djg]

Oliver didn't give it. The stupid rules did.

[@robertpowell3634]

they literally just said in the video it's not on the ref lol

[@_RandomPea]

@@robphilpott43 forest and all the other clubs want it to work, it's not the technology...if the officials are so up their own backsides and useless at being consistent thats due to personnel. It's no surprise that Oliver's making it all about him at the euros... At least I guess that's consistent!

[@alanholgate3442]

Oliver needs sacked he's that bad he couldn't referee a Sunday league amateurs match useless

[@ishadowmarshall282]

The game is ruined. The football that we all love and know is being destroyed by people who never played football.

[@muratti72muc]

why is the game ruined after a clear penalty for handball in the box? Every player can have his arms where he likes, but if he had advantage of his arm position and block the ball with his arms it becomes illegal and the other team with disadvantage becomes a freekick or penalty in the box. That's nothing new in the rule box, the only new thing is that you have a VAR with more "eyes" to check the situation. The advantage and disadvantage is the reason for a illegal handball. In this situation the cross from David Raum was deflected and flys 5m higher because of the hand deflection of the danish player. Because of the deflection Havertz have no chance in the center for a header and this is the disadvantage. That's the reason why players try to block cross passes with the armes on there side/back have there arms in front and not a the the head in the wall at a freekick, etc. Bigger body because of the arme position means advantage for the player. The intensionally or the unintensionally does no matter.

[@solarmaru49]

Is that like politicians and life

[@david_fitzmaurice]

​@@muratti72muc ok go run and see where your arms go. Is that an unnatural position? Let me guess, you never played football. Natural position of the arms are not always down by your side. That's a rule made up by people who don't play the game

[@thunderous-one]

And money……… A simple decision is now complicated because it can mean your league position and thus the revenue the team accrues. Same applies with relegation.

[@johnharvey1786]

@@david_fitzmauriceAbsolutely correct. Referees don’t run with their arms down by their side or behind their back so why do they expect the players to do so. Also anyone who has played football knows that when sliding for a ball your arms automatically come up the same when jumping to head the ball. This new idea that if the ball is deflected that makes a difference, why, it’s the action of the player not where the ball goes. It’s clear the rules have changed and are being interpreted in a different way than previously as explained in the video. Now whether this is a correct position or one that should be reviewed / amended is what we should be discussing. This all seemed to start with the Spurs v Man City Champions League game and the fuss about the Spurs goal. Man City did then press the games authorities to do something and they did but once they started they have just pushed the rule further and further to what seems a crazy position.

[@EmptyGlass99]

I switched the match off after that absurd offside and handball decision.

[@leannecampbell4551]

Same, time to boycott this woke clown show!

[@richardoakley572]

Me too

[@deedee-tc4fh]

And then there was 3..

[@niallglennon83]

Same. I've done it countless times with VAR

[@muci1333]

Offside✅Hand✅

[@joachimberthelsen9274]

Experts: No offside, no penalty VAR: Definitely offside, definitely penalty ...

[@joshuaombaka3116]

Versus Spain, VAR decided it won't let go. How this was a penalty, and that of Cucurella today is not, is a shocker.

[@joachimberthelsen9274]

@@joshuaombaka3116 exactly :)

[@footyball66]

The solution is obvious: Give an indirect free kick for accidental handball. Why has no pundit ever thought of this idea, and why have they never pushed for this as the answer? For deliberate handball you give a penalty. You could also potentially give a penalty if the accidental handball stopped a shot that was clearly going to go into the back of the net, or blocked an assist for an open-goal tap-in.

[@longlimb]

I like it.

[@stnbch3025]

Utter rubbish. You're still giving a foul for something that isn't a foul.

[@HamsaT12]

Because 99% of the times handballs aren't deliberate plus it's very hard to determine which ones are deliberate or not

[@Lexington125]

It reminded me of that farce in the CL final when Salah booted the ball at the Spurs defender in the first 5 mins from a yard and won a pen . Farce then farce now.

[@MrSheduur]

true, still the right call if these are the rules. there are quite a few of these bad rules, for example when you are cleaing a ball away, already in the motion and from behind you/to the side of you someone rushes into your motion and conveniently drops himself over your leg in the last phase of that motion without them even having a chance to get to the ball, but then this gets called. especially frustrating when it causes a soft penalty. lots of this stuff is messed up as hell, but unless the rules get changed we have to live with it. complaining about it won't change it, especially when alot of folks only really complain because it was pro germany, if they are honest with themselves.

[@tomeskdale2642]

think it was mane

[@Steven-dn1kr]

​@@MrSheduur I always talk about this. I don't see what the defender is supposed to do when that happens

[@AJ-nd4nk]

Same with United when they beat PSG with that ridiculous handball penalty decision.

[@Lexington125]

@@tomeskdale2642 ah yea it was Mane !

[@shaunpierce4174]

The funny thing is that a few weeks ago the Premier League managers opted to keep VAR so now we're destined to get crazy decisions like this one and others from this coming season.

[@jackreilly4417]

It wasn’t managers it was owners of the clubs managers don’t have that power lol

[@MrSheduur]

you mean crazy correct decisions like these? you want to go back to refs deciding stuff on a whim with you wondering what the f* the bloke was thinking when he made that boneheaded call against your team?

[@craigdoc6656]

​@@jackreilly4417yea, not sure why people think managers have that type of power at football clubs. I dislike VAR but it's a fact that there is more correct decisions made now

[@fatroberto3012]

I doubt if many managers would support VAR and I know for a fact that NO game attending fans support it. Armchair fans like it and owners like TV money. That's why they voted for it. VAR breaks can be used to show commercials.

[@craigdoc6656]

@@fatroberto3012 I don't even think arm chair fans like it, majority of people are arm chair fans and I don't really know anyone that would keep it

[@MichaelHolmgaard]

This one really hurts. Denmark was IN this game up until that penalty. After that, they had to open up in the back and Germany could take the game. Feels so bad to go out this way...

[@supermahni]

its war a claer penalty, not even close....

[@djsuth7727]

@@supermahni Rubbish. If that's a penalty we might all as well go home and never watch another game. Very much a case of a ball to hand, from close proximity. No way the defender can get out of the way. The rule on handball needs changed.

[@mikem9309]

1 goal disallowed and then a penalty poorly given- that’s a two goal swing unfairly

[@Gelangweilter]

​@@mikem9309offside is still offside you clown

[@dragonstar4583]

@@mikem9309 Clear cheating for G. Transparent fraud.

[@petepistola4946]

lol no complaints with VAR when Dalots shot accidently struck Kimpembe's elbow (who was facing away from the ball) in the 2019 ManU v PSG game - I recall alot of happy brits then 😉

[@williamroberts9394]

The blatant PSG-Newcastle handball that PSG gave away wasn’t given when Newcastle played PSG off the park so not sure what you’re on

[@thomastimmer6599]

Antony Taylor got the spain passport from the spain king! Clearest Handball i‘ve ever seen! But congrats to spain! Now the Euro is over! The finale took place today!😂

[@rayakusu-fosterB]

"WE, ⚽️ HAVE MOVED ONTO HUMANOIDS STANDARDS, 😂 ." ❤🇬🇧❤

[@shaneanderson8919]

Sissoko had the same decision against Liverpool in the European Cup, inside the first minute of the game. Nothing said or done

[@barryetheridge6639]

I think it hit his side before the arm they still gave it

[@slowtyper95]

​@@barryetheridge6639thats even worse 😂

[@garyh1572]

Our pundits don't understand the rules !!!!!!!

[@ajc1482]

Because the rules are constantly being changed.

[@mikem9309]

They understand the game- the spirit of it.

[@venividiviking]

People who implement the rules, don't understand the game

[@saberint]

It should be did the ball change direction by 17.6mm in the x axis, 12.4mm in the y axis and 47.3mm in the z axis if the ball travelled 3007.42mm… at least then we would all understand the law!

[@leunga]

I would like to know what are the specifications of the camera equipment they are using to track the player's body. There must be a degree of error (maybe 1-2cm) depending on the resolution of Cameras recording. Unless they are using laser accurate technology.

[@keithpowell6646]

Remove VAR! Remove technology from all sport! It kills the competition!

[@drewie5305]

humanity... first they want clear proof via technology, then it kills the comp and needs to go.

[@Leontemplar-yt6ff]

It’s not the technology it’s the people in the Room.

[@hdw1502]

The var are a bunch of nerds who have never touched a ball never mind playing at any level, they know nothing about football.

[@ryanmcdonnell665]

It’s garbage but they are enforcing the current fifa rules. They need to change the laws.

[@marksmarsh2039]

Tell that to the Danes. Not much of a consolation. And Scotland for that matter. Dodgy decisions or blatant cheating and favouritism??

[@FLaSHexXx]

@@ryanmcdonnell665 "They need to change the laws so my favorit team is never offside or gets pens for playing with their hand" 💀 It was offside, fact. Impact with the hand on the ball, fact. Now go cry about it.

[@ryanmcdonnell665]

@@FLaSHexXx what are u talking about nobhead. I’m talking about the handball not offside and secondly I couldn’t give a fuck about the result

[@ryanmcdonnell665]

@@marksmarsh2039 no it’s not cheating, they have to enforce the current laws. The laws need changing.

[@M4tti87]

I dont like the way the handball rules are right now, but if it gets to the game today. Why is nobody talking about the clear goal that Germany scored in the 4th minute? I can recall 5 situations from last season were that was not even considered a foul... Not giving that goal is the worst descision of the tournament so far and it totally destroyed the game because Oliver had to make all other calls based on that descision which interupted the game way to often.

[@lukasp5892]

THANK YOU. They don’t want to talk about it bc the bias against Germany especially among English pundits is absolutely insane. The handball and offside calls were incredibly harsh but objectively correct according to the rules of the game. But the “foul” Kimmich committed is just normal contact.. he doesn’t lean into it he doesn’t put his hand out. Football is a contact sport, and the Danish defender made the conscious decision to run full force into Kimmich and lost that battle. If that’s a foul then the 1:0 Germany scored against Hungary shouldn’t have counted either. It’s the inconsistency between refs and their decisions that drives me the most crazy

[@srenkristiansen2516]

You 2 need to watch that one again. Kimmich was clearly moving into the defender and not just "standing his ground". Clear foul.

[@stnbch3025]

The rule is fine, the referees aren't and she proves the problem: her observation of the incident is so incompetent the application of the rule can only be bad.

[@lukasp5892]

@@srenkristiansen2516 dude if that’s what you consider “moving into a defender” basically every corner ever would have to be called for a foul in the box. He didn’t change his position, he didn’t move to intercept the defender.. the defender simply ran into Kimmich full force. It’s not that difficult to see

[@srenkristiansen2516]

@@lukasp5892 Clear movement into the defender, yes I consider that a foul.

[@stewartjking4351]

At least they got a VAR decision Scotland didn’t even get that for one of the clearest penalties ever.

[@charlieemslie7708]

Stop whinging about not getting the penalty.Armstrong initiated the contact by jumping ( both feet off the ground) in front of the defender and grabbed his shirt in the process.🤯🤯🤯

[@Uwek.5775]

Compare that one to the one not given against Spain and now let's talk about if rules are clear or not. VAR changed everything to the worse. The rules are a joke nobody knows what's right or wrong and everybody says sth else. One reason that has always been named why they introduced to make the game fairer so the same rule applies to all teams and to protect the referees. It's actually done the opposite VAR made it more confusing and the referees get critized even more

[@w1nther930]

Legit. They can't give that shit to Germany in one match, then let it slide the very next one. If thats a penalty, how is Cucu's not?

[@rossnoodles1293]

I've no idea who the lady is but I like her. Succinct, articulate and clearly knowledgeable of the subject matter to the extent that she can explain it simply. Plus she called it football, so well done her ;)

[@stnbch3025]

You're a s*cker for form and clueless to substance. Her observations are so bad it doesn't matter what the law says, she has no clue what she's looking at.

[@orange555]

Most of the crying about offside/handball are just people who don't like Germany. The better team won. The team that deserved to win won. Deal with it.

[@marvin9409]

People from Great Britain are simply envious because we‘re the best and succesful european football country while they either haven’t won shit, for almost 60 years or nothing at all. It‘s embarrassing.

[@orange555]

@@marvin9409 They complain a lot. It's part of their culture. Imagine having shit sport, shit weather, shit food, shit women. It takes its toll.

[@mati_mistrz9604]

Not really, refs always corrupt for the host and it showed today.

[@orange555]

@@mati_mistrz9604 Yeah totally makes sense especially considering how no home team has won the Euro in 40 years. Genius analysis here guy.

[@cainneachdaugherty7172]

@@marvin9409 The ref was from Great Britain btw.

[@angrymegamind5139]

Sorry ladies but the offside and penalty decisions were correct and VAR was there to prove them. Most of these comments seem to be more about a hate of Germany than the VAR system. If these were decisions in Englands favor you would read how VAR is the best.

[@finfog4590]

Overall Germany played well enough to win the game, but how they got there leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[@MrSheduur]

they won 2-0, had at least 3 100% chances to make it 3 or 4 nil. there should be no bad taste. they won fair and square and all that squabbling about the poor danes. none of the important calls was wrong under the current rules. even the two disallowed goals for germany. It is unfortunate for the danes that they had this sequence where the guy in the midst of it was even the same guy, but they cannot complain. the calls were factual and correct. if they were really off, they would have had a point. but to now sour this for the german team who was clearly the deserved winner here, that is just bad sportsmanship tbh.

[@crayontom9687]

Is there a by-plane taking off in the background?

[@conner.9262]

There is no more hand ball…. It’s now…. Ball hand….. it’s bonkers…. The panel is 100% CORRECT…

[@willbesoon6601]

Thank God we have American women to tell us what football is all about.

[@Benjalina123]

She's explaining the rules you bigot. And she is doing a good job of it. Her nationality or sex has no bearing on that.

[@blenderboy1900]

?? She knows the rules of the game better than you do bud

[@willbesoon6601]

@@blenderboy1900 I wouldn't put money on that, mate.

[@Genevasplaytime]

American brown women to be exact😂

[@emekaoguguo5023]

All she’s done is state the law as is She didn’t defend it We all know it’s daft Unsure what race and gender has to do with it If anything she has been more in the side of the pundits Very strange take

[@thechef538]

Why is an American woman chatting on ITV...

[@Betleyman7853]

What does a pundit's nationality or gender have to do with anything. There is also an Australian and an Irish person on the panel but you make no mention of them. Wonder why?

[@nimanirouzad1069]

Her knowledge and articulation was perfect.

[@thechef538]

@@Betleyman7853 be quiet...ange manages a prem team the irish guy is a prem legend, your point is non existent bro, keep quiet, no American should be talking about football on English national tv. End off

[@thechef538]

@@Betleyman7853 another woke dope

[@thechef538]

@@nimanirouzad1069 I dont care, her input is irrelevant and I dont wanna hear no american perspective on football

[@special.k904]

Really liking ange.. fresh face and opinion

[@williamsteven429]

...is she a lawyer? huh?

[@D0d0Dada]

Can we agree that this was not a penalty and the first German goal should have counted as well? Thanks.

[@Mac2point1]

Christina explains things so well and is brilliant at her job. Very impressive 🎉

[@sandstormer8386]

She does but she needs to humanise her language a bit. She sounds like refbot, she's a walking manual.

[@hamzaudai3390]

What if you have your wood up mid game? Would that be considered offside?

[@j40nur96]

Ball to hand doesn't exist anymore

[@mariendal1962]

The ball was kicket upon his arm - he did not reach out for it. No penalty in that situation! Incompetent referee!

[@balb3014]

It was in the way, obstruction. German hater lol

[@BiWesCrew]

The cross wasn't shot hard he could have turned his hand to the side, he wanted to deflect just that little bit exactly to be smart cheating and get away with. Imagine England only opportunaty to score, and that is considerably close to reality, out of such a situation before conceding and exit the competition, who of those crowdpleasers wouldn't scream and moan over a 100% pen denied. Wee pathetic i dare say.

[@MrSheduur]

no, incompetent fan. the rules are not like that anymore. update your understanding of the rules mate.

[@mariendal1962]

@@MrSheduur It is very difficult, to run around without moving your arms. Then all players should have had their hands tied behind their backs

[@IIIIIIIIII-w4m]

​@@mariendal1962like mrsheduur said in the comment above, learn the rules. It doesn't matter if it was deliberate or not. The ball touched his hand, and it interfered with the trajectory of the ball. Should the ref not give it just because the player didn't mean to have his hand there?

[@damonagef]

Keane That’s not the game we grew up loving. It’s definitely not, the game is now almost fully Americanised all that’s need now is timeouts, shot clocks and forward play only. Can’t wait the game is totally ruined

[@leannecampbell4551]

4 Quarters are definitely coming in the near future, and before that the introduction of Blue Cards, which the nutcase Wenger and his corrupt crew are pushing for.

[@MrSheduur]

it is actually a good thing. I rather have a VAR decision against my team which I can see what was going on clearly, and if I am not a total hypocrite, also make peace with if it was the correct call, compared to some ref with a grudge just using his wiggling room to deny a club a decision they should have had, but hey it was up to the blind ref, so tough luck I guess...

[@jerrygreen9556]

Liverpool at Tottenham Hotspur last year. Technology and use was stupid. How's Oliver going to see that?

[@thebeautifulgame442]

She’s literally just admitted the ref is not allowed to overturn these discussions so therefore why is he shown the monitor??? That is re-refereeing a game and looking for issue nobody else is - therefore not being used for the purpose which was clear and obvious

[@sargismarkosyan8133]

I think we gone too far on this,there's no debate that the ball touches the hand and there's no debate that the hand is not attached to the body,so it's a penalty,and 1 centimetre offside is still offside,last tournament Germany were knocked out by goal which is 1 centimetre in,and we creating debates when there's not any,yes it's not deliberate but the ball changes it's trajectory so it's a penalty

[@WindedPrawn]

If you start letting refs decide whether a handball is ball to hand or hand to ball, you'll get 50/50 situations and they're gonna get hate. Hence, we're in this situation where IFAB have changed the rules so that refs can make a black-or-white decision easily, without the death trap on either side.

[@MrSheduur]

Yeah, irrational and biased fan hate will always cry though. We are almost in a Schrödingers cat dilemma now :P

[@rankobarensic]

Then if I am an attacking player, I should try to shoot the ball against a hand in the box constantly ..

[@celestesmith6060]

That's what refs are there for but without VAR the hate passes quickly. What is the point of refs if not to make decisions.

[@yavantii3615]

@@celestesmith6060 without VAR the ref would've not seen the offside, thus missing a clear black and white decision due to faulty eyesight. Therefor we have automized technique to make this decision now, same with goal line tech. Goal is either in or out the goal, there's no inbetween and no interpretation.

[@scotthands4396]

That's what makes the game good

[@1009reaper]

English refs…AGAIN

[@sickpup820]

It's not its the shitty UEFA interpretation. The refs did what they were told by UEFA.

[@1009reaper]

@@sickpup820 nearly 40 games into this euros, the majority of issues are when English refs are involved

[@cactusjax3779]

All the decisions were by the law correct, the problem is the laws itself, can’t blame the referee for correctly enforcing them

[@solidsteak3142]

Man what are they all crying about. Germany had 2 (!!) goals disallowed, compared to denmarks 1. First goal was scored in the 4 minute. It was unrightfully taken off. If it was given, the game would have been way diffrent. So stop crying about an offside an a handball that was clearly visible. If the ref wouldnt have been that strict, denmark would have been 0:1 down within the first 5 mins. So STOP CRIYING. The better team cleary won, and deservedly so. Let's go germany 🇩🇪

[@Leontemplar-yt6ff]

Germany missed so many “open” goals chances, they should be embarrassed to even put on that jersey.

[@solidsteak3142]

@@Leontemplar-yt6ff this has absolutely nothing to do with my point ?

[@simonmcpartlin6547]

Completely agree with Ange “technolgy needs to be definitive”. It’s constantly used for things that are judgemental where one person may see it this way and another see it the other way. How is it helping where that is the case?

[@CruelSabrac]

did you not watch the whole interview? according to the current rules of the game, its a clear pen. VAR rightfully intervened to correct the pen

[@simonmcpartlin6547]

@@CruelSabrac Apologies I didn’t so I stand corrected on this occasion. Last season I saw a few in the prem where the rules of the game were disregarded by VAR because they tried to use interpretation and in my mind got it wrong. I’m thinking basketball and the karate kid to name but two.

[@ZtooG]

I’m a Celtic fan (from Scotland) I’ve been to 2 games since VAR has been a thing and I’ve never been back. I went to a local junior team recently just to watch football and honestly it was the best football I’ve experienced in a long time. No var, no “your ballsack swung into an offside position”…. Just a bunch of lads playing football chucking in some tackles. Top level football is 100% FINISHED.

[@Happeninlad]

Love how the men were just completely against what the woman said. She knows she is talking shite

[@alancampbell3364]

The faces on the 3 lads when the bird is talkin 😂😂

[@damianhuman]

Every defender has to put their arms behind their back. This is way too outstretched to not be a penalty

[@henningrasmussen8225]

the use of arms hands is normal in moving no penalty

[@lukasp5892]

@@henningrasmussen8225not like that, he even realized his mistake and pulled his arm down afterwards hoping no one would notice. It was a careless reflex not part of his run, he was barely moving forward by the time the ball was struck. I’ve rewatched the clip many times at slow speed, it’s a clear and obvious penalty according to the modern rules of the game.

[@henningrasmussen8225]

@@lukasp5892 did you hear him explayning ?? it was not intentional fuck the rules about handballs you cannot run about with the hands tight to your body

[@mikem9309]

‘Clear and obvious’ is the key part missing from all these var decisions. Var is the antithesis of clear and obvious

[@lukasp5892]

@@henningrasmussen8225 “fuck the rules” tells me everything I need to know, there’s no point in debating with someone like you 😂 it doesn’t need to be intentional to be a foul, otherwise most fouls wouldn’t be called. A lot of penalties are the result of poor positioning or split second reflexes that come back to haunt you, this is one of those. Harsh but objectively correct. You can cry about it if you want, but it’s funny how for years these rules have existed as they are and people only remember to get mad about them when a decision doesn’t go the way they wanted it to

[@SebastianPetitti]

The real issue is that VAR is too involved in games. That for me is not clear and obvious, proximity is too close and his hand is in a natural position. VAR should be a system that ONLY steps in on the rare occasion it is needed. It's like a an overzealous co-worker looking to find fault rather than being there when it's needed. Incredibly harsh penalty that.

[@jefffalloon]

If determining whether a hand blocking the path of the ball is based on natural movement or intention, then it becomes subjective. Therefore, any hand that is protruding away from the body and stops the ball's path has to be deemed handball to have consistency and objectivity.

[@vjluarasi1847]

How was that not a handball? The whole ball went a different direction cause the ball hit his hand. Come on man that was a clear penalty.

[@salmansengul]

The defender was kinda stupid for having his hand that high in the box. Sorry. The Denmark offside was outrageous tho! 😮

[@megafrog6753]

He's running and balancing I.e. he's not stupid, he's moving like a human being on a planet with gravity.

[@muratti72muc]

@@megafrog6753 he stands in front of him and just forget his arm. With bigger body because of the hand position you have more chance to block a ball. This is a illegal advantage for the player.

[@courseiam]

She's so irritating.

[@chrishimmelmann]

It just ISN’T true that proximity has been taken out!! The text of the LAW has been unchanged for decades. What has been changing at a confusing rate is the IFAB interpretation, with a measurement of sheer incidence now added. Which is not what that law wants. I go as far as to say, current interpretation and application of the handball law is AGAINST that law.

[@arronbwabw504]

Simple as 3 people who have been involved in the game at the very top, lectured by a woman who sounds "American" to me. Crazy!

[@Glenuig]

Says it all when the only one who knows what is going on is the token diverse woman.

[@PiselliPirelli]

Diverse?

[@greeny12433]

Oh don't give out all that cobblers. Shes an ex FIFA referee and knows what she is talking about. If FIFA/UEFA are showing videos saying these are handballs in the box then they must be given. What is annoying is the PL has a more lenient touch on handball(which is right imo) so the same VAR and referee probably wouldn't give a penalty if this happened in the PL.

[@AuroraBorealis11111]

Roy Keanes face when the woman is chatting 😂

[@123reivax123]

Accidental play is now punished severely. Or am I missing something?

[@XXR1L3YXX]

This is an absolute joke. I feel as if they rewrite the roles every year.. There's no way that's a penalty clear ball to hand. I've loved football all of my life, but I'm finding myself pulled out of the sport. I'm definitely not as involved as I was before Var was introduced. If this continues within a year or two I won't be watching football at ALL..

[@Youtubeman1998]

Problem with this, the corner didn't lead to anything...its not like he crossed it and it stopped a goal scoring chance. Shocking and how can you determine a 1cm offside..if the player was a size smaller. Its onside.

[@FPInvention]

haha roys face when that woman is talking

[@bobrail733]

IT'S all about money and crowd NUMBERS 💰💰💰💰💰

[@neilrafferty2097]

Only play defenders with no arms,its simple.

[@wilfredignorance3189]

The problem with them dictating an image of what they want to be called handball is that if you look at that image with no context, yea, it looks like a penalty for handball. The reason it isn't is shown in the video. It's not Image Assistant Ref; it's Video Assistant Ref.

[@Thomas-zs5wt]

i love ange perfect manager for us

[@mm1k3y]

People, proximity is not a factor. Having your body shaped like that means there is a chance your hand can block it. That is hand ball. You can make your silhouette bigger by having your arms out and use it as a tactic because players and coaches know this would block a certain % of shots in doing so. It's cheating.

[@FTStratLP]

You miss the point. Andersen is not making his body bigger in an not natural way, but he is sprinting. And honestly, even I .with my limited football skills kan chip a ball onto a defenders hand or arm on purpose to create a penalty.

[@mm1k3y]

@@FTStratLP He's tried to block the shot at that point and his arm is in a position that makes is body bigger. It's a % thing. If two people stand in front of a goal - one has his arms by his side and the other with his arms out to the side. Kick 1000 balls at them both and the one with his arms out will block a lot more shots. Is that fair or not? And if you think it is fair then you're opening the doors for defenders to become sort of hybrid goalkeeper because they would all do it.

[@GhostRider-dv]

Stop having a go at the technology Ange! It’s the rules that’s the problem not the tech…

[@kaskovic1993]

The issue is that we don’t even understand what a hand ball is anymore

[@sebastian3649]

The VAR system make decisions fairer but it destroys the game itself. I dont want to watch a stop & go tennis match, where we have to wait mintues for machines to tell us who wins and who loses. Where is the moment of celebration right after the goal?

[@leonardpattison2816]

Wow,She should be a Politician

[@leunga]

Keano is right with the body position. Defenders are having to defend with arms behind their back - that is not a natural position to balance the body when running or blocking... Thought they will only check when there is a clear and obvious error. Handball decision is subjective according to the ref and linesman on field

[@supermahni]

What are they talking about ? Clear hand penalty (new rules), clear offside (computer based). Over...