Ivan Demidov VS Matvei Michkov, Who Is Better?

[@GravitehHockey]

Been waiting to make this video for a while, let's talk about these two studs! What are YOUR thoughts on the Michkov vs Demidov debate? And which player do YOU see having the best NHL career? Let me know! #GravGang

[@theramplocal]

@GravitehHockey michkov imo, but I wldnt be surprised if they are both superstars in a few seasons comrade

[@ysar1352]

Demidov’s better scanning the ice and being a general on the ice

[@RicardoMedeiroscourtier]

I think Demidov will have much greater impact as a 6'1'' 195lbs vs Michkov 5'10' 175lbs I think that having an extra 3 inches in height and 15lbs to 20lbs of muscle will help a lot against big mean defense come playoffs... History proves it. Can you just imagine a tkachuk hitting Michkov on the ice at 175lbs? He's out with injury..

[@mcdevitt10]

First time coming across your vids and you’ve got another fan! Great info and loved the way you broke the comparison. Enjoyed you making it a showcase of these 2 talents instead of talking down 1 guy to make your case 👍🏼

[@mcbitter3180]

Your take on thier defensive games is way off. Demidov had the best GA/60 of any player in the draft class

[@stockey]

True.

[@elvisisalive2716]

Don't worry he will make 4 more Michkov/Demidov vids , but with gambling promotions/affiliate links

[@Lars2197]

In a junior league lol

[@mcbitter3180]

@Lars2197 same as Celebrini and 90% of drafted players so what's the point? 🤡

[@eliaminator2313]

He played in a terrible league that's why Demidov ultimately dropped still looks promising but it's very hard to project how he plays in the pros against men still

[@YoungMatt81]

You might be the only person ive seen say michkovs two way game is better than demidov

[@dgwow]

100% agree, Demidov is always in movement and puts consistent effort in the defensive zone, he's not great at winning puck battles yet (Michkov is better at that) but in the long run Demidov should be a much better two way player.

[@MSLmtlpartisan]

he didn't see his game enough and poping number to look cool. Demidov has a way better 2 way game than Michkov.

[@CharlesWirtz]

Not really- Demidov seems to have good fundamebtals- but people are off their rocker with how much respect they're giving to MHL as a league. Its been described as the hardest league on the planet to "project" out of because the range of talent is stupendous- ranging from elite type players (Demidov) to actual sh*t show talent that would make rather ECHL beam with pride. Demidov projects as a better two way player certainly- but Michkov is playing a two way game in the KHL (maybe the second best pro league going)... and in a leadership role no less (icetime, deployment). To imply that he'll probably end up as a much better two-way defensive guy is a respectable position- but what Gravs saying is absolutely true as of today. All Demidovs two way acumen is basically hypothetical until he proves he can apply it consistently against grown men in a pro league..

[@MSLmtlpartisan]

@@CharlesWirtz he already has the basis to another level. Michkov is still in the learning process.

[@ConstantineValettas-zz6xr]

@@dgwow let me guess, you're a montreal fan still coping

[@Spotnick2]

Funny part is they are exactly 364 days apart from each other in birthdays, so you have to fully consider the year.

[@nrr9565]

Defense Michkov? You might be the only one

[@tylergervais3207]

Demidov has a very solid shot but Michkov's is elite. They both have elite IQ. They both have mid skating. Everything else goes to Demidov.

[@matthewminogue3276]

I agree with that statement.

[@djclovissio2338]

I think Demidov's skating is a bit better tho and he'll developp it into a strength.. He has tree trunks dude

[@Dcheen]

It’s Michkov, but for Montreal, I’d rather have Demidov in terms of fit. Bigger, better 200ft game.

[@SirManfly]

Montreal could have drafted both!! 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@JeanJames-ff3wx]

@@SirManfly michkov didnt want to play for montreal and other team

[@TheMaestro116]

@@SirManfly Montreal's not building a 3 on 3 squad, they are drafting to compete for the Stanley Cup. A right shot first pair 2 way stud d-man is just as if not even more important in the playoffs than a scoring winger.

[@elvisisalive2716]

The guy who said Jan Mysak was going to be a stud is pumping Michkov over Demidov lol.

[@jean-francoiscloutier5241]

Who?

[@CharlesWirtz]

I love Demidov so much- but you guys are getting this narrative all wrong. Demidov will be a tremendous player- Datsyukian- a defensively responsible, two way leader who can also dazzle with his offensive wizardry. I could see Demidov being a core piece on a team that contends for a lot of cups. His scoring looks to me like about a ppg player with the odd 90+ season. Michkov WILL surpass 120 more than once. Hes a legit threat to hit two point ls per game at some point. Hes closer in terms of PNHLe to McDavid than he is to Matthews/Mackinnon. His draft year PNHLe was HIGHER than Bedards. If you want to talk about "irl value"- I think Demidov warrants a conversation. I think hes the underdog but I have time for that conversation. In terms of offense/production- which I believe is the slant of this video- it is not even close. Demidov has a chance to be a franchise ayer the way Datsyuk was a franchise player- a stud with moves that make your jaw drop- but not a guy whose top three in scoring at his position most years. MM looking generational and the game is going to be how psycho does he go? What AO did to fantasy hockey a decade or go (he was a cheat code)- McDavid today. His scoring rates are a mirror match for those players. Demidov is a gem but he won't be that. Nailed it grav

[@mamagne800]

@@CharlesWirtz You must be god knowing all this without playing a single game yet in the NHL. Hilarious wannabe expert.

[@brenzyc8703]

Michkov is way better than Demidov

[@elvisisalive2716]

@@brenzyc8703 lol , how about we wait and see? Yakupov was the next Bure at one point

[@steveethier5176]

Surprised about the defensive rankings, everything else I've heard/read has Demidov ahead in terms of a 2-way, 200-foot game. Interesting.

[@rich.jerkov]

Exactly, me too... Plus that extra 2 1/2" can't hurt with the physicality either...

[@BloodRider1914]

It really probably is just the age difference. He did clearly say the Demidov has improved in that aspect, and I don't believe that Demidov is at all the kinda guy who will settle for a D+ defensive skillset

[@steveethier5176]

@@BloodRider1914 I agree, absolutely. I'm not even disagreeing with him, just interesting that it's completely opposite from everything I've heard/read...

[@nicolastomas8436]

Yes he is, idk what this dude is talking about

[@steveethier5176]

@@nicolastomas8436 I like Grav, not trying to talk trash, just surprised is all. And he was so definite about it.

[@Lars2197]

Not a Philly fan nor Habs but I think Michkov clears Demidov everyday. He already played 2 seasons in a mens league, played good hockey and had productivity as well whilst Demidov has done those things in a junior league. So it's still questionable if Demidov will be able to transform his skillset in KHL/NHL. Demidov could be Bure 2.0 but also can end up like Zegras. Michkov has already great experiences and he'll be only better player. Not hating, just my honest opinion.

[@matthewkabel6246]

You're acting like Demidov ending up like Zegras is a bad thing? That'll merely mean he becomes an elite playmaker and transitional force, oh no whatever will the Habs do if that happens? 🤣🤣

[@Erik-ms3du]

This is apple to oranges you need to compare them both in their draft season, otherwise this is unfair.

[@jamessatek]

Great video. I do think Demidov is better defensively tho, very few goals were scored against SKA when he was on the ice. Also I think that we can pretty safely project, that 6'0",192 lbs player(Demidov) will be more physical than 5'10",176 lbs (Michkov). As to to their potential imo Michkov has slightly better pure offensive potential, but to me he is more boom or bust, as i cannot see him being useful with his size and playstyle if he cannot be a goal scorer.

[@DumpNChasePod]

Demidov barely played for SKA in the KHL so your argument is flawed.

[@jajakengang277]

@@DumpNChasePod he barely play because he s contract wasn’t long term like michkov

[@jamessatek]

@@DumpNChasePod Sorry, I omitted the whole name "SKA-1946 St. Petersburg" as I thought It was clear I meant the MHL SKA, where he played majority of this season. Point still stands tho.

[@xRavai]

the "he won't be good because of his height" narrative is so weird to me... Patrick Kane is the same height as Michkov and he won 3 cups, Cole Caufield is literally shorter than Michkov, Bedard is the same height as Michkov and I don't see anyone saying shit about him

[@francisvoyer]

@@xRavai You don't? Where have you been?

[@lukassiebzehnruebl8946]

People forget that at a time Michkov was arguably on Bedards level. I think he even got more points than him in u18 wc.

[@ariane7330]

At a time it seemed that way (although many people are making that assumption from this one tournament which obviously doesn't paint the full picture), but it's not the case anymore

[@lukassiebzehnruebl8946]

@@ariane7330 in my opinion he is still close. Talentwise a clear first overall pick in most of drafts.

[@4u2nvHock3y]

Let me do mine. Offense of Demidov: Floor = 60-80 point top 6 winger. Middle ground = 75-95 point elite winger. Celling = 100-125+ point superstar winger. Offense of Michkov: Floor: 30+ goal 55-70 point goal scoring top 6 winger. Middle ground: 40+ goal 70-90 point PP Cornerstone elite winger. Celling: 50-70 goal 100+ point winger. Michkov has better offense with his ability to score goals using that shot which will give him better numbers with the PP. So Michkov wins there. However. Michkov is a 5'9 170 lbs guy with low defensive effort. You have higher risk of injury and probably just less 5 on 5 production and playoff production. Demidov wont be no Slafkovsky but will be able to hold his own with a great frame at 6'1 200 lbs. You also get more defensive effort from Demidov.

[@CharlesWirtz]

The size thing gets overblown- kids a tank- broad- solidly built, low center of gravity- hes going to be a pain in the ass to play against. Hes not a traditionally small guy- hes heavier than Bedard... Can he be one dimensional? Sure he can- but he'll be one dimensional the same way ovechkin was- or Panarin is. You can't teach what he brings offensively...

[@CharlesWirtz]

I'm a huge Demidov fan but this is bass awkward lol! In terms of fantasy hockkey- getting the scoring asset- this is so far off the only way its worth bringing up is in a playful way. Demidovs PNHLe is waaaaaaay behind and he earned it in the MHL which is Bush league with that bush being on steroids! I like the kid- im pretty sure hes going to find his way and be an impact guy- a star player.... Michkov WILL be generational...

[@4u2nvHock3y]

@CharlesWirtz The thing is. If both were 26 in their prime playing PP1 Line 1 minutes a night and got 82 games in the NHL, I believe Michkov will have way more PPG and slightly more goals. But less Assists 5 on t. Points 5 on 5, PPA and PPP. And from what ive seen. That's a direct comparison with McDavid and Matthews. So it makes sense to believe Demidov will be a more reliable. More consistent and even better player whether or not Michkov does score more goals and has a better two way game or not. Another comparison like this is Crosby versus Ovi. I always take Crosby. Or McDavid. Or in this case Demidov. Over the other superstar in Ovi. Matthews or Michkov. Why is Matthews not the best player? Not because his points. It's his success in the playoffs. McDavid also yes has no cups but has been basically the best player of all time in the playoffs and has a Conn Smythe.

[@luvdvno]

Excited to see both they're careers. So much potential indeed

[@martinlatour9311]

their

[@luvdvno]

@@martinlatour9311 thanks

[@raphaelvalcour2888]

For me Demidov has way more hockey IQ then M&M.

[@foraiur45]

Zero chance

[@bret1575]

Lol

[@august2934]

Демидов больше похож на Кучерова, а Мичков это молодой Овечкин

[@eliaminator2313]

We all need to remember in his draft year Michkov was the clear 2nd overall pick behind Bedard the best prospect since Matthews, and ahead of Fantilli and Carlsson. Where Demidov was the clear 2nd overall behind Celebrini who would likely be ranked behind Fantilli and Carlsson had they been in the same draft class. I think Michkov is by a pretty big margin the better player rn that being said I think Demidov will transition to North America better so it will be interesting to see how they pan out over the next 5 years. Ultimately doesnt matter who the better player is rn before theyve even established themselves in North America

[@matthewminogue3276]

You are underestimating Celebrini my man. He would of went 2nd behind Bedard in last years draft. The kid is a stud.

[@barnsey1607]

Celebrini drafted behind Fantilli and Carlson ?? Celebrini is easily the most COMPLETE and best 200 foot player to be drafted in the last 9 years. He's a better OVERALL player then Bedard just not as offensively gifted, however, has an elite offensive skill set himself. Celebrini is already so polished in his game and is hard pressed to find flaws. Like, you put Fantilli above him who had exactly the same season (PPG), Hoby Baker award while combing less goals and more assists at the age of 18 than Celebrini who did it at 17 with more goals and a balanced point spread ?? And you think he's better? Also, Celebrini > Michkov.. Michkov is in the Demidov conversation, not Celebrini.

[@matthewminogue3276]

@@barnsey1607 hard agreed. Bedard wins rocket/ art ross trophies but Celebrini wins stanley cups.

[@eliaminator2313]

@@barnsey1607 it's easy to have recency bias but Celebrini would've gone 4th in the Bedard draft all you have to do is look at his height and that says it all. Celebrini is certainly better than Michkov but we can't forget that Michkov was in the Bedard conversation at points in that draft year Michkov is closer to Celebrini than Celebrini is to Bedard, Fantilli, and Carlsson just based on draft years could Celebrini be better than Carlsson and Fantilli 100% but I wouldn't bet on it. All it takes is a slow year like Fantilli and then Celebrini is right with him people now underestimate Fantilli because Columbus used him horribly and he got injured obviously we have to wait a few years anyways to really know

[@djclovissio2338]

Ahahahahah Celebrini being picked after Fantilli and Carlson.. If Fantilli or Carlson were in this year's draft, would they be a consensu 1st overall? F*ck no!

[@TheGreekPoet]

Tough call, Grav. I'd say "flip a coin". I'm a Habs fan who really liked/likes Michkov. I commented on a pre-draft video you did where I was concerned about Demidov, primarily due to his injury history. I think it's directly related to that 10-2 skating style he uses. Leaves the legs vulnerable. He has to learn how to protect the legs better while using it. For example, Crosby uses it a lot. But it hasn't led to big problems for him injury-wise. I love Michkov. But now that I've learned more about Demidov as the kind of character he has, I think it will truly be a flip of a coin. There has to be some fire to the smoke that Michkov has some attitude issues. We'll find out soon, I guess!

[@Jesse-f4e6s]

Ya attitude u say? Canadians put that BS out so fans would think they made the right choice not drafting him! Don't believe fake news 😂

[@guillaumeturcotte4523]

Am i the only one to see datsuyk when i watch demidov

[@arihia45]

yes you are, the 2 are not comparable at all. The wizadry in terms of puck handling ability from Datysuk has rarely been matched in the history of the game and i do not see demidov in this mold at all. Not saying Demidov wont be good, but not at Datysuk's level who was one of a kind.

[@dgwow]

I see it too, he's extremely creative with the way he combines his unique skating and puckhandling. Not sure if he's at Datsyuk's level but he's clearly capable (and willing) to pull off ridiculous moves.

[@jasonvoorheesthethird]

You’re not the only one, I also see a little bit of Datsyuk in Demidov, especially in his creativity and stick handling skills, and I’ve heard many scouts and hockey specialists say the same thing

[@gold6759]

Yea

[@bouziB]

To me its a mix of Kovalev and Datsyuk

[@spooley]

The missing category is mental attitude. Scouts see Michkov as a player who is prone to give up on plays when not in attack mode and cherry pick instead of busting his hump to get back to help in his own zone. Button and MacKenzie both mentioned that as the reason Michkov dropped. Add in he isn't ready to commit to improving that part of his game and intimated he wants a guarantee of first line minutes. We shall see in 2-3 years or less, it will be fun to watch.

[@davidboudreault5931]

yeah all recruit says Demidov is way better in defense compare to Michkov...

[@cremedepoulet]

As a habs fan, I also think Michkov has the edge talentwise. However, he apparently didn't want to play for Montreal so taking him could have f***** his development. I am happy with Demidov and can't wait to see what he has to offer on NHL level. Both exceptional players, but I just want both players to play their games without having that Demidov vs Michkov debate over the next few years.

[@TheRickRoller1]

I prefer Demidov's playstyle. More focussed on an making a play and more sophisticated. Michkov is explosive and agile, but when he's up against big experienced defense in the NHL it won't be as effective as making good passes.

[@ConstantineValettas-zz6xr]

he tore up the khl where he played against MEN while demidov has only played kids. Stop spewing nonsense

[@TheMaestro116]

@@ConstantineValettas-zz6xr "demidov has only played kids." Although it's pre-season, he didn't look too shabby against men in the Puchkov tournament.

[@theharlequin2821]

Also, Great Breakdown GT! Can't wait to finally see these guys in person soon.

[@asphaltcowboy7567]

Not a fan of either team, but easily its MM...

[@bobbywoodfine6087]

Solid video as always ! I would reall like to see ivan play in the KHL next season and see how he stacks up against pro players . Then recap this video for a better comparison.

[@Veopoz]

Demidov speaks excellent English Mitchkov don't speak a word. Can't wait to see Torts 😅

[@jordynbebus6641]

not true lol Michkovs english has very much improved since his draft year

[@1225vcs]

torts has been directed by danny not to be too much of an asshole i'm sure

[@jessallin1153]

Agree with all your opinions except demidovs defensive game. He definitely has the edge there.

[@mike8099m]

He played in an easy league.

[@davidsine1222]

Habs fans are extremely happy with Ivan Demidov

[@Nick-x3n]

I have seen them both play. I lived in Russia. You are way off on some of your topics. Number 1 Demidov is a superior skater. Hockey sense Demidov. Shot - Michkov - no question.

[@elvisisalive2716]

@@Nick-x3n the old ‘I lived in Russia line’ like that makes you a pro scout. I live in Canada so I guess my take on Canadian players should be considered gold , just because I’m Canadian lol

[@Nick-x3n]

@@elvisisalive2716 Pretty lame comment. I saw both play. Don't believe me, I don't give a sh.yte.

[@elvisisalive2716]

@@Nick-x3n oh yeah, another TV watcher eh? lol ok bud who 'lived in Russia' hahahah

[@Nick-x3n]

@@elvisisalive2716 You seem angry. Or is that the gay coming out of you? Paceba

[@elvisisalive2716]

@@Nick-x3n hahahah the grade 3 retort, too funny

[@SecondusBrutus]

Another consideration is how much lower level Demidov is playing compared to Michkov in draft -1 years and draft years... We don't fully know where Demidov is at skill-wise because the MHL is similar to the NAHL, not even the USHL. Time will tell but I'll take the guy who is putting up good numbers in a top pro league in their draft year, any day.

[@Shirkules]

I am so fucking excited to see Michkov play, I can not wait for this season.

[@0512tommy]

Im a habs fan but I think Michkov will be a generational player. Hope Demidov becomes one too.

[@smallbuj7605]

Not one has played an NHL game. We will see in 5 years! I wish Habs would have pick both, but word is, Michkov would not play in Montreal... Or maybe Bobrov heard too many negatives things about Michkov. Also, he did drop to seventh... Carlsen, Fantilli, Smith were all prefered over him...

[@Diminisherqc]

picking mitchkov was never on the table for the Canadiens , they must have had a pretty strong whiff of bad smell

[@tonybleau6219]

Michkov is definitely the better prospect. We'll see.

[@eilistraewitch]

We could have both 😢

[@shanepicardpa1997]

He didn't wanna join us but if he would of it would of been amazing

[@spooley]

Come playoff time when the rulebook is tossed the big RHD who can clear the crease and routinely make an accurate first pass from his own zone - while smaller players are being mugged all night, the plan will look fine.

[@drcandypantsod7172]

When will people understand that Michkov made it painfully clear that he does not want to play for the Habs.

[@elvisisalive2716]

@@shanepicardpa1997 that isn't true at all, stop listening to Kent's excuses for taking a bust like Reinbacher instead

[@DERTHIX]

Team Russia gets both in international play...

[@manofthehills5001]

Michkov is the man. Shame he went to Philly. Go rags!

[@HabsAndHeavyMetal]

There is a saying - "attitude is everything". Michkov has a poor one and Demigod has a good one. I'm takin' Ivan for my team. Mic drop.

[@agenterf]

Michkov was so excited to be at Philly tho???

[@pipoj5]

You are a biased habs fan💀 michkov dosent have a bad attitude

[@pipoj5]

@@agenterf he is excited and there is no proof of him having any attitude problems

[@HabsAndHeavyMetal]

I am a Habs fan. But I am not biased. I wanted Montreal to pick Michkov. And was disappointed when they didn’t. In the ensuing days I learned a lot about why they did not pick him. And I agree. He has a shitty attitude.

[@vdac1068]

💯 Don’t need a diva… Philly is screwed

[@kevv88]

Do any non Canadian fans think demidov is better?

[@stockey]

He's much better.

[@Maissipub]

No ;D

[@Lebowski55]

Have you seen these 2 players play? You say that Michkov is better defensively and more physical? Demidov is about 2.5 inches taller and 25lbs heavier than Michkov.

[@JoeGreen-u6w]

Its demigod

[@Dcheen]

This guy’s scouting is very odd. A lot of what he says is actually counter what actual legit scouts and prospect experts have said about these two players. Graviteh is also the guy who said Hage’s skating was a weakness when it’s literally his greatest strength. Also, this was kind of a pointless video. We know that because the bro had to repeatedly clarify that they’re different ages and have played with pros and not. What a strange late July dead of summer click-baitey video.

[@nate9723]

Salty habs fan

[@Dcheen]

@@nate9723 not really as Michkov is currently the better prospect.

[@vdac1068]

Time will tell but as a Habs fan I’m quite happy drafting a play driving 6’ 190lb skilled player that is excited to play in Montreal and welcomes the pressure, already speaks English over … Mitchkov which gives me diva vibes, tanked interviews with the bottom 5 teams, choosy on where he got drafted, doesn’t care to learn English, is more of a finisher which means he’s only as good as the pass coming his way. Considering the Habs had eyes on both Mitchkov and Demidov through Bobrov’s dad in Russia and chose to pass on him, adding in the way habs have been drafting and the culture they are cultivating, I think Character could have been a reason why Habs didn’t take Mitchkov. Also quite happy having drafted Reinbacher, he could be a stud certainly a top 4 RD prospect if not top pair. Philly is screwed and Tortorella won’t hand hold a diva… , Habs are building a wagon and Mitchkov may come to regret not wanting to be drafted by Montreal.

[@xRavai]

Jaromir Jagr did the same thing Michkov did Patrick Kane is the same height as Michkov seemed to have worked out pretty well for Pittsburgh and Chicago

[@rich.jerkov]

@@xRavai How does the fact Michkov didn't want to sign with certain teams like Jagr, or is the same height as Kane make him comparable to these players on the ice?

[@xRavai]

@@rich.jerkov narratives like that being used to put Michkov down are weird to me and that's what im arguing Bedard is the same height as Michkov and no one says shit about him, so why is it only a problem when it's Michkov

[@rich.jerkov]

@@xRavai If you are both smallish and not very fast, you need to be exceptionally talented to succeed at a very high level in the NHL. It's not just Michkov. Small players that aren't very fast that would otherwise be top-3, drop every year in the draft. With reason. Most don't do as well as they did in junior. You've compared him to Berard and Kane... First off, he's not as good as those guys were at the same age. Second, for every Berard, I can find ten 5'10" players that wind up being nowhere near as productive in the NHL. By comparing him to Kane and Berard, you setting yourself up to be disappointed. He's not a guaranteed superstar. He might be, or he might be a 40G, 80pts player, which would be excellent. Even if he's no Berard, he's great prospect and wish the Habs drafted him...

[@xRavai]

@@rich.jerkov why are you changing what I said? not comparing him to them or saying he'll be as good as them, just saying it's silly to use those to diminish Michkov's talent and potential when there are several other instances of players having the same circumstances yet they don't get crucified for it. where did I even say he'll be as good as them 💀

[@AnyaWilt]

you gotta also keep in mind that michkov has done everything he’s done playing with pros, against pros, while demidov is playing against juniors players. not saying this makes michkov inherently better, but really their play isn’t entirely comparable because of the opposition they face. once demidov hits the khl, more accurate comparisons between his 24-25 season and michkovs 23-24 season can be made.

[@rich.jerkov]

That's funny, besides the fact Demidov is a better passer and Michkov a better scorer, the rest is opposite of everything I've read. I though Michkov was the most talented and has the higher upside (although they are both excellent) and that Demidov is the better all around player. I'm surprised you didn't mention the difference in size, 5'10" vs 6'1" (or just shy of..). That two and a half extra inches will certainly help in the NHL. There's also the question of attitude, although I'll admit that's hard to gauge from here and there's so much purposeful misinformation that it's really hard know for sure. Habs have good contacts in the SKA organisation and they clearly didn't like something they saw or heard about Michkov (unless they heard he wasn't interested in the Habs) and liked what they heard about Demidov. That being said, with this type of talent, they should have taken the chance and drafted both.

[@alphamale4182]

To think habs could of had both on pp

[@KingSteady]

Canadiens got a Datsyuk.

[@matthewkabel6246]

LOL

[@juliencormier8760]

Everything is relative and works out perfectly IMO: Michkov didn't want to be with the HABS, and Demidov did. Each player is where he is supposed to be. Player development will tell the tale in the end. It should be a good competition.

[@darthollpheist1156]

Michkov. He was ranked above Bedard before getting mono. And, the only reason he didn't go 2nd overall was because he told every team but Philly that he was going to stay in Russia. He asked to be a Flyer. It was the only team he was willing to break his KHL contract for. So......

[@HabsAndHeavyMetal]

MTL could have had both. Imagine that. Though I agree with the Reinbacher pick. But, could imagine? Holy crap!!

[@tylerw7847]

I don’t see what you’re seeing, Demidov hustles back defensively while Michkov kind of just glides back to his own zone

[@waynecollins8002]

I recall before the 2023 draft the talk was we tank to get Demifob . He was deemed to be even better than Mitchkov

[@eliaminator2313]

Its too hard to compare them right now. We really need to see how Demidov transitions out of the pretty brutal Russian junior league into the pro leagues against men it will be hard to say how he matches up.

[@MrXanderii]

Demidov is bigger and has a better all around game. Michkov is pure offense. I think they will both have great careers

[@tonymultani]

Montreal could’ve had both of them 😢

[@MrSharkster59]

Michkov needs a GPS in his own end, Demidov is much better.

[@alexmand8003]

who would you draft for a keepers pool between Celebrini or Michkov

[@pipoj5]

To save everyones time The answer is michkov Edit i have not watched the video but this is common sense michkov is better its not even close

[@ledsabbazepplath3889]

You might give an advantage to Michkov, but "not even close" ? C’mon, don’t be ridiculous

[@xRavai]

watched the video he said Michkov is better

[@felixbourret4259]

So you watch both plays ?

[@pipoj5]

@@ledsabbazepplath3889 demidov has 0 points in the khl in 6 games if he plays all of next season in the khl we will see how good he relly is

[@theramplocal]

What I love abt videos like this is we all have no idea exactly how it will play out. I think michkov will be a better player, but I wld not be surprised if they were both superstars when it is all said and done.

[@JoeSchemo]

Michekov will be the next Egveni Malkin , like Demidov will be the next Alex Ovechkin. There you have it it. Montreal got a 'Once In A Lifetime' player in this year's draft.

[@stockey]

Well said.

[@finalguildis]

D+ for defensive play for demidov? The dude was only on the ice for like 0.20 goals a game all season. That's pretty damn good.

[@bighoss9962]

Bro Mitchkov was scoring goals in the KHL since he was 16 .. this is not even a debate

[@videopyc]

Who cares: none have played in the NHL.

[@mikeking9696]

This is to be determined! What I will tell you is that Demidov is the more complete player! Michkov is all offense, doesn’t play defense! Demidov plays a 2 way game! And hearing scouts say Demidov is the best Russian since Ovi, and compare him to Kucherov! Call me bias because I’m a Habs fan but I’d put my money in Demidov! Oh and please note, Michkov wasn’t said to be the best Russian since Ovi, nor was he compared to Kucherov!

[@daveblanco8271]

Demidov better 200ft game, bigger body. Definitely the overall played i’d rather have.

[@dleblanc343]

General Manager right here 🤣

[@ConstantineValettas-zz6xr]

copium

[@sasso09]

Just say you're a Habs fan. Half an inch 5 lbs different, no defensive difference

[@TheMaestro116]

@@sasso09 Actually hustling back on defense instead of just gliding through your backchecks does make a difference though, especially come playoffs time.

[@pierre-olivierlefrancois8440]

So Demidov is gonna be better.

[@NoBody-fh2vl]

In terms of offence I think Michkov's ceiling is higher and he'll likely have better numbers.

[@theharlequin2821]

I'm higher on MICHKOV personally. I was the Only person wearing a Michkov jersey at the 2023 Draft last year. But let's be honest; theyre both great, *** but What is the hardest thing to find for an NHL org.? It's a... Pure GOAL Scorer -Not a 200-ft player. *** That = Matvei Michkov ALL day. (P.S. I got to drink champagne out of the Stanley Cup this past week, as my best friend is a mgr w the team -Epic party : ) 😎

[@laughingchimp3468]

The answer is actually really complicated. The normie answer is michkov. That's not necessarily wrong either. But there are caveats to that. Michkov imo is all around a more talented player than even Bedard, who I think is a bit overrated. Michkovs game is very cerebral and very individually skilled driven. He plays hero hockey and is quite effective at it. He might be the most individually talented player I've seen since McDavid. With all that said, here is the case for demidov. Demidov is a much more hard working player. This extends to his own end where he actually puts in effort. He'll never be a selke candidate but with the determination in his game, he'll be fine all around and more coach friendly especially come playoff time. Demidov does not have the goal scoring capabilities of michkov but is still very dynamic and a good goal scorer. He's a better playmaker and the skill he has that far surpasses michkov is his hands. They are the best I've seen in a while. He also utilizes his teammates so well and plays way better off puck in the o zone. So again the answer is michkov but demidov will be more team friendly and has a much more translatable game to the NHL. Michkov, imo, will have to change his game to adapt to the NHL. He will be successful in that but it still has to be done. Overall, the gap isn't big enough offensively to overlook all the red flags michkov has. Demidov is a coaches dream. Michkov is a coaches nightmare. But that nightmare is so Uber talented that you just have to put up with his overall game

[@DarksideJim]

Michkov doesn’t even really have red flags. He’s just average at everything. Idk why people keep acting like his defense is borderline unplayable lol. He’ll be fine defensively in the NHL. How many star forwards in the league currently are average or bad at defense? A lot lol

[@ysar1352]

Demigod

[@pattylonglegs3353]

Yakupov button ------------->

[@martincormier3]

Good stuff!!

[@wresling300]

As a habs fan, Michkov has the highest ceiling.

[@gblasz87]

As a flyers fan I’m bias with Michkov. I did how ever really want Danny to try and move up to grab Demidov. I agree Ivan has greater offensive potential upside.

[@mikefisher4984]

As a habs fan I still cringe at the potential thought of Montreal having both players in our prospect pool 😢 Michkov will light it up he’s going to make Philly fans jump out of their seats for hopefully a very long time 🍻

[@BloodRider1914]

As a Habs fan Philly needs a top guy like Mitchkov after what unfortunately ended up being Nolan Patrick's career, and I trust Ivan to fit right into the Habs lineup.

[@sasso09]

He's nowhere near Michkov at anythjng to be honest. They're not close

[@mtlhabsss]

Today it’s not a fair to comparison both player a full year of hockey development for 17-18 years old players it’s alot. Imo at their prime demidov will be a much better player.

[@ЖанатМолдабаев-н7н]

Они оба могли оказаться в одной команде.. Монреаль Канадиенс

[@djclovissio2338]

Let's be real, you said Michkov had a higher floor because he played in the KHL this year.. That makes no sense saying he has a lower ceiling then Demidov then.

[@robertreed9792]

I look at the potential differently. I have michkov with a lower floor but a higher ceiling. I feel like goalscorers are more boom or bust than playmakers.

[@matthewkabel6246]

But Michkov isn't a one dimensional goal scorer or offensive player, his positioning and timing is nearly flawless and his high IQ allows him to be in the right spots to create or extend plays

[@damnwall]

I came to tell him that his analysis of their defensive play was so far off but multiple people already beat me to it. Most scouting reports I have seen would disagree with you. Stats would too.

[@KyleRebstock-v4y]

I’m not as familiar with Demidov as I am with Michkov but I would take Demidov because he’s a better character I think Michkov is very cocky and he’s loyalty is in question I think he would go back to Russia in a heartbeat if he doesn’t get his way in Philadelphia I feel sorry for the flyers for that

[@foodtenswhalestream940]

Its unfair for demidov to be compared with michkov at this stage. every thing michkov has done so far in his career is to set records meanwhile demidov has yet to score a point in the KHL. Does that speak to where they will end up in a few years… no. Michkov have been one of if not the best u20 players in the KHL ever. its like comparing NHL to AHL players. it doesnt make sense

[@SirManfly]

This is another Ovechkin vs. Malkin! It’s ironic that Montreal could have drafted both !! 😮

[@christianshaw9102]

The answer is Demidov, makes others around him better, positive attitude and better stick work. Michkov just there to make himself better

[@reecelaroche]

I don’t know if you watch Michkov but he 100% makes his teammates better. He is an offensive wizard with elite play making ability and creativity and an elite shot.

[@cactuspoop330]

@@reecelaroche he does not watch any russian hockey bruh

[@cactuspoop330]

@@reecelaroche most of the people here have not seen anything but a couple highlights at the most and by most people i mean like over 90%

[@stockey]

@@cactuspoop330 I watched most of Michkov'sand Demidov's games on on hockey, and i can tell you Demidov is a better player.

[@ConstantineValettas-zz6xr]

last time i checked michkov tore up the KHL while demidov is playing in the MHL mickey mouse league. He even said in an interview he will do whatever torts tells him to do. i know you're a montreal fan coping

[@mcwaller123]

Demidov seems better defensively than Michkov, I somewhat agree with the rest though

[@bren7431]

Bro Demidov’s defensive game is way better than Michkov’s from everything I’ve heard and seen

[@sasso09]

It's not, Demidov is not good a all defensively

[@sfara2845]

there’s a lot of things i would do for them to be linemates man i wish philly traded for columbus pick

[@nicolastomas8436]

You yapped a lot of BS in this video lol

[@steverichard2786]

Habs should have both. 😢

[@drcandypantsod7172]

When will people understand that Michkov made it painfully clear that he does not want to play for the Habs.

[@alainduchesne9750]

We will really know in 5-7 years

[@jimwest9313]

Doesn't even matter Demidov all day long Michkov 's a headcase !! Let the torts circus begin! 😆

[@HabsAndHeavyMetal]

No spin. DemiGod is one year younger. He has made SKA this year. Michkov was not good enough and therefore got loaned to Sochi. One question. Why are Leafs fans trolling in here? Jealous a little?

[@kylevoko-o9g]

habs fan needs to realize and shut up reinbacher is gonna be a stud alongside with hutson in future but no he might request trade cause yall be sending death threats abt him on twitter yes ik it sucks passing on a superstar but defence wins championship also michkov didnt want to play for montreal same for the other team only wanted to play for philly but hey yall got demidov now.

[@jahlion247]

Hey Gravytech.....do you play hockey?

[@ryanlee8932]

Michkovs ceiling is a top 5 player in the nhl not just a player on a top line

[@SammySlam]

For real; Michkov is closer to bedard than anything and no one says bedard is going ot be a Top 6 F

[@rich.jerkov]

That's a very precise, and VERY optimistic take. Up there with McDavid, Mackinnon, Bedard... That's generational and generational-ish territory...

[@DarksideJim]

@@rich.jerkovI mean that’s what people were saying about him before the russia concerns

[@rich.jerkov]

@@DarksideJim They were saying he was top 2 in that year's draft, a year before the draft. That is is completely different from top 5 in the league. Furthermore, predictions a year from the draft almost always change drastically. Eiserman, Helenius, Grigorenko, Angelo Esposito and I could go on all day, are all players considered top-3 a year before their drafts, that fell dramatically at the draft. I like Michkov. He has red flags, but with that kind of talent, you take the chance. I wish my Habs would have. But he's never been a McDavid, Matthews, Jack Hughes, MacKinnon level prospect, and certainly not projected as a top 5 player in the league. That doesn't mean he can't be an amazing player. He might even wind up being your franchise player. I hope he does become that player for you, just as long as he sucks against the Habs!!

[@gold6759]

This is pointless.. Habs fans will say Demidov (the majority of your fanbase) so your answers will be bias.. Next question

[@kencraig9593]

No way at all michkov is better at defense lol

[@stockey]

He's not, Demidov is way better.

[@sasso09]

He for sure is

[@Your_Role_Model]

I'm sorry but everyone's pronunciation of their names makes my ears bleed. It's pronounced "MiSHkov" and "Demídov"

[@brendanchasse2644]

You actually know nothing its so funny

[@user-co7rd4mv2b]

Demidov is the better player beetween the two no doubt about it!

[@sasso09]

He has zero advantages, Michkov literally better at everything. This is Kucherov vs Galchenyuk

[@anghelbucur3844]

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