WHO'S THE REAL LCS GOAT - Bjergsen vs Doublelift | IWD

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[@Operation-Overlord]

I don't watch a lot of LCS content, but long-form analysis and like taking a look at the history with the film.. its like watching a sports documentary... thats a lot of hard work! Thanks for the effort IWD. It's also really fun taking a trip down memory lane "sneaky was only good in teamfights" and "Bjergsen+4 wards"

[@amielgloria1248]

Man i really dislike comparisons based on how much trophies they won. Bjergsen literally gets 5 bans on mid, picks zilean, and still carries 4 players to championships. And it doesnt happen once

[@zackestin1368]

exactly this, like uzi pre winning a lpl split into msi in 2018 was absolutely still looked at as the goat of the lpl, and it wasnt even particularly close except maybe iboy, so im not sure why people are suddenly saying bjerg isnt the goat because he only won 6.

[@andyhartkopf4167]

@@zackestin1368 jensen fanboys are who thinks this and its fine if you think that, but Bjergen never looked like such pure ass and Double lift did

[@Mattahsiu]

@@zackestin1368 worked well this year didn't it

[@codino97]

@@zackestin1368 iboy wtf u smoking boi??????? weixiao, namei hello??????

[@ssescobar1812]

34:02 like half a decade later Dom realices that his teammate has just running it 🤣🤣

[@mValerianW]

Man, I love this type of content! Thank you for going this in depth with your analysis in this and many other topics!

[@einnaoeilifu2648]

Dyrus is the GOAT, he’s so good that everyone camped him too lane. From Quas and IWD to Smeb and Peanut. Everyone fear that man.

[@SignificantOwl]

Honestly, Dyrus is the GOAT just for enduring Reggie. That man tanked for the whole team.

[@pinkisland]

i agree, i think Dyrus is still secretly the best top laner. I will challenge anyone at that

[@Oblivion9873]

He unironically was a top 3 toplaner every split of lcs, with some splits being the best

[@Entropic_Alloy]

It is unbelievable how often Dyrus got camped and ganked. I guess people really did fear him in the top lane that much.

[@Welari12]

This is kind of a self defeating argument that comes up far too often. Dyrus was camped because he was a point of exploitation. This "god tier" top-laner was literally losing to trick2g playing udyr in top lane (the youtube videos still exist). Like, he's a super likeable dude, but he was really never a top tier player.

[@Xavyer13]

What a great historicist recount. Great content and analysis

[@gabeh.4297]

IWD getting tilted by reddit makes him put out his best content. We must make more reddit hate threads to keep the content coming.

[@szymciupol]

1h 12 minutes? The full 6 hour vod better get preserved on clips channel too.

[@user-fj9gs9kp2e]

Amazing job. Can you do some more of this about other Players ? Like Uzi, Score, Amazing ? Like little documentaries.

[@bayazwow]

People who watched back in season 5 will know how dogshit the TSM team was and how Bjergsen was so much better than every other player that they were first place anyways.

[@Enterblathnir]

i forget season 5, wasn't that when they had lustboy? I thought their overall team was pretty good, but its been a long time since then...

[@junwenzheng1643]

TL,DR: Zven inted Berjg so hard that we have to have this conversation.

[@cameronearland5716]

The Real GOAT is Reginald . There I saved you an hour and 12 minutes of your life

[@PLGooner]

Dyrus > Regi

[@johny7433]

You Are the goat

[@lolfreedom6254]

oh I forgot goat meant - garbage of all times. then your right regi on top

[@ljchicken1885]

@@lolfreedom6254 that’s a horrendous joke ngl

[@konstantinmeyer2253]

What a homie

[@georgeide2337]

Some of the Bjergsen critism i can understand but the people downplaying his 2020 summer performance literally never watched the games. Yes he got lane kingdomed at worlds when he tried to play Zilean but we are talking about his NA performance that year not the worlds run that even BB was a part of. He literally dragged doublelift who tried his best to lose every game with a Senna he couldnt even play to the championship trough losers bracket.

[@mintyking1]

That 2020 run was absurd. One of the greatest solo carries I’ve ever seen in LCS.

[@georgeide2337]

@@mintyking1 And yet you have people saying it wasnt a 1v9 and that Bjergsen hasnt showed up since 2017. Just conviniently forgetting how he carried 2019 spring also with his Zoe. If it wasnt for Zven inting he would have 7 trophies and doublelift would have 7. Then people couldnt even use the more wins argument

[@MMMHOTCHEEZE]

​@@georgeide2337 I get what you're saying but top side actually played pretty well for TSM in 2020 Summer.

[@andyhartkopf4167]

@@MMMHOTCHEEZE bb played good for sure but nobody outside of spica played well in 2020 by that logic, there were performances where bjerg was smurfing on lucian at worlds and against bdd but he has one bad performance and suddenly Hes not better than Double lift. who's never looked like a carry to the uzi,imp,gala,gumi,teddy bot laners.

[@yousufzohair4342]

@@georgeide2337 or Viper or Jackey Love or even reckless for that matter..

[@magnust3779]

just a fantastic video Dom, the league scene is lucky to have you in it fr

[@theshinshi4620]

Brought so many memories back Dom , damn . I once again felt true LoL content that i loved and missed .

[@eliasamiand299]

My chores are less of a pain when we have those kinds of bangers to listen to, IWD is truly the goat haha

[@ThatMetroidGuy]

IDW coming in clutch putting out videos to watch while eating or doing chores

[@supercereal1]

You’ve unlocked a memory Dom. I remember back in like season 4 or 5 I hated doublelift because he was always talking about being the best AD in the world and I’m like bro you’re not even the best in NA

[@ihateeveryone8161]

You must not have actually watched him play back then if that's the case. He was the best or top 2 individually in the region his entire career.

[@andyhartkopf4167]

@@ihateeveryone8161 in those seasons' hell no, sneaky, turtle, piglet was better he was great about after that but bjergs worst games were when they had dardoch,kobbe in bot lane and still looked like he could take games over.

[@Gamer4Ever99]

​@@andyhartkopf4167 Bjerg was able to carry most of the time. DL was rarely able to carry.

[@andyhartkopf4167]

@@Gamer4Ever99 bjerg has most wins all time too. like longevity titles. First teams.

[@supercereal1]

@@andyhartkopf4167 yup. Turtle with TSM looked like a solid bot lane with Lust Boy, sneaky with smoothie/lemon nation was great. Piglet wasn’t insane but was about as good if not a little better than DL

[@StoneyShoki]

I love how this video is 1 hour of him explaining "I was able to shit on Doublelift my whole career, but never on Bjergsen"

[@Jeffrey_Tyler]

I think it's a pretty good reference point considering he used it in the context that his teams were bad.

[@mValerianW]

It is insane how in depth you went on this topic. I‘m looking forward to the discussion with Thorin :-)

[@trailmiix7581]

what and absolute banger video, super well edited as well great job dominico

[@Diyor6190FnBest]

nostalgic asf, thanks for the hard analytic work dom

[@archaontheeverchosen539]

The dude is probably just a Dom fan and said those crazy stuff to get Dom to make content for us God bless him

[@R3Fl3CT_]

Everyone: 4th? Gotta be either Corejj or Impact. Dyrus: Reginald in S4

[@aaronperry3950]

I was promised this would be 3-4 hours long Dom

[@mindmonsterxx]

bjergsen has been a force to be reckoned with in na! i've been following his career since the very early days when he joined tsm many of the people might not remember since some people started watching na lcs like 2 3 years ago and they think bjergsen is just an okey player or just a good player whatever....and there is the other side of the coin as well ofc where die hard bjergsen fans think he is the best in the world, but the truth is probably somewhere in between but one thing is for sure no1 can debate the dominance bjergsen had domestically, he single handedly carried tsm for many many years and if it was up to me regi should probably start building his statue in front of the tsm office, its sad to see that he lost some of the magic or maybe confidence that made him so great in his career i dont even know how can any1 even debate that bjergsen is the greatest mid in na history but even so i think his career is a bit bittersweet since he is still chasing for that international glory that MAY never come at this stage of his career regardless for me he is the greatest, Thank you dom for this video CHeers

[@peng_yang]

no ones gonna talk about how imaqtpie is the greatest to ever do it?

[@budderpenguin43]

tough watch as usual, keep it up dom👍

[@AxJsB]

I listened to this thinking it was like 10mins long... Still remember it because of how concise the content is

[@TheLoos3Goos33]

This felt like a kid who skimmed a book giving a report on it, and the disappointed teacher proving a point.

[@iliekturtles2709]

I mean aren't we watching the real LCS GOAT right now in this video?

[@Hippoking32]

Lmfao i died when he said Regi was like the Kool-aid man. Just busts in and tells everyone what to do

[@RomnysGonzalez]

The goat of NA is Dom for putting such a quality content

[@trailmiix7581]

I would love more history based videos, dom is super knowledgeable

[@pgdyankov]

Wow awesome content and a lot of work, great job! Really enjoyed that one and totally agree (although i am not remotely an expert, but matches my opinion :D )

[@TrashGames6]

Classic example of people looking at the data without looking into the context. Good shit Dom.

[@dunsenpb2778]

Thanks for the video dom, wrote a college essay with it, ty.

[@sotothecreator]

When making a Best of All time list(Career of All Time). Average placement is THE MOST IMPORTANT. When the average placement is close thats when you take into account individual performance. When making the Most Talented Players of All Time list then placement doesn't have THE MOST weight. I don't have much information on their careers so I don't know who's number 1 in both of these lists. Imma take a guess based on this video. Doublelift Best Player of All time(Career of All time) Bjergsen (Most Talented Player of All Time)

[@Abc-hn5vz]

Good mental exercise, if you were a GM after any season if you could get either player who do you choose? Spoiler alert the answer literally Bjerg every single year.

[@scoobertmcduck2998]

"The Korean Fellatio Enthusiast" caught me off guard. lmao

[@OkibaGhostway]

people don't ask how they ask how many

[@kieranwinfield3582]

Such good content Dom

[@RomnysGonzalez]

Ok. After watching this i just came to one conclusion. IWDominate is the daddy of Doublelif gatekeeping him since S3 in playoffs

[@ink2467]

great video despite being soo long bro

[@sidenRden]

editor the goat for cutting a 6h stream to 1h

[@TheKman42]

If championships were the end all be all then people would rank Bill Russell over Micheal Jordan, that's why player comparisons always need context which dom did a great job of giving. It also sucks that watching berj play now feels like watching Jordan with the wizards

[@noteniceu]

And now they are on the same team again!

[@KingBoo.]

i remember in the TL heydays TL had many team members that preformed TSM was a Bjergsen main team cuz he would generally out lane his opponents till 2022 and win only through beating jg/mid. Doublelift had more shaky games even in loses. imo.

[@henrym.1290]

Disagreed on the corejj point , people were on him prior due to his solo q games as well as the scrim games pro would set up when corejj originally came

[@wakkawakkagaming3710]

This video has the same energy as YMS making a 2 hour Kimba video for the pure joy for proving online fanatics wrong

[@thebaseliner520]

If I remember right Dom talked about Jordon will always being better then Lebron and used the championships in the same way the reddit guy did. Interesting

[@budrud]

Dom is bias nothing new

[@Bottlekap]

Those two examples are not even REMOTELY comparable. Jordan was a literal icon and undisputed best player in the NBA for his entire career (outside his random time in Washington). Doms point in this video has a lot to do with that. Even during most of DLs highs it cant be consistently said that DL was a main driving force. Sure MJ had Pippen, Rodman, Nash and others, but he always outshined them all. Thats why you can make the ring argument with Jordan and not with DL. I'd argue it still probably isn't a fair point to stand behind, but saying the comparison is the same as the reddit guys is just plain not true.

[@andyhartkopf4167]

@@budrud but the bot lanes double lift was losing too weren't some classes above him in the early years. and Bjerg never played bad enough to move off of goat status where doublelift had splits where, turtle, looked better, sneaky looked better, metas were worse for him.

[@SilencedButNotForgotten]

@@Bottlekap DL was literally the best player in the league for YEARS.

[@BucsFanO22]

@@SilencedButNotForgotten no he wasn't. Every split dl was considered the best in the league, bjerg was ALWAYS right there with him. However when bjerg was considered the best dl was not always considered. Not to mention the first 3 or so years bjerg was undisputed best in the league no question while dl wasn't even close.

[@OriginRushHQ]

This was one hell of a brilliant video and such a good breakdown of their history in LCS. Props man good shit👍

[@Theodoros.8]

Please my man Dom make a commentary of a game you played in your pro career

[@mahatmaniggandhi2898]

he did one a while ago

[@wildfangpunk5018]

very convincing arguements

[@jessetatum5275]

DOM offended someone said hes wrong.

[@SilencedButNotForgotten]

Dom being subjective 'cause Dlift has ego and personality. As every other ex pro, since they got trashtalked by the real GOAT.

[@deadmo1]

lol Dyrus put reginald in there XD

[@park3275]

Loved the video. You make the LCS fun to watch still. The only issue is I think is the LCS MVP awards are seemingly random or narrative based half the time. Also, since the LCS is bo1, it ruins the regular season. My last point is just for the sake of debate. 2018-2019. In Summer 2018 with the mage bot meta, Bjerg did not even qualify for worlds and Doublelift somehow won. 2019 spring, BB was the carry of that team in playoffs.

[@Jeffrey_Tyler]

The only way this would have been better is if Dom had the idiot from Reddit on a discord call trying desperately to defend his points.

[@Jeffrey_Tyler]

Dom trying to convince people that don't even understand the game and have only been watching for 4-5 years. They see these old clips and say "why he showing clips of DOTA?"

[@Straker9063]

the fact that people even contest that an ADC is the better player all around than a Mid that FREQUENTLY carries games (not the main role of a mid laner btw) while claiming that the ADC carries the Mid all the time (totally ignoring that support style champions often make or break games for teams) no shade on DL, but like Dom says, DL rarely outperforms his teams extraordinarily. All this while DL is jumping around some of the best teams in the League, while Bjerg is stuck on TSM for the majority of his career, having hard decayed from around season 6 onwards, of course Bjerg holds more value as a player.

[@StocksNShares]

Agree with support champion played well by bjerg. Props for that

[@joaolagoa2404]

2020 summer Bjerg also deserved MVP, very close to Core in performance imo

[@ryanremotigue2182]

Without getting too far into the video. Clutch and winning is a huge determination in Greatest.

[@ryanremotigue2182]

It's no coincidence that the team he was on, won every time. And before you say that those teams were stacked.. So was Bjergs this year lol.... It is a talent

[@ryanremotigue2182]

Btw I believe Bjerg is #1. But let's be real. IWill definitely is a DL hater. Always has been haha

[@bishoplombard9283]

Was waiting for this dom another comment to come

[@nickbradburry5187]

Honesty goated content

[@manasik6108]

holy shit wasn't this a 6 hr stram?

[@Zmargo702]

I also think it should be Bjergsen but DL is a CLEAR number 2. It feels like this video should have been titled, “why doublelift deserves nothing” based on the content in this video lol

[@timothyparks31]

😂😂 I got that feeling as well like give doublelift some credit

[@ozkansolmazjr]

As a huge bjerg and dl fan I would call dl the 1st

[@Zeroyue622]

27:50 tbf monte did said that clg refuse to use the strat that they practiced in Korea and used their not practiced strat

[@Soupreme2]

Dyrus votes are so troll I'm surprised he didn't list Chaox as 1st

[@lordheadass8310]

Arguing on reddit is the equivalent of thowing shit on a Polytetraflouroethylene coated surface. The idea of using team based achivements to judge a player's level is so incredibly smooth brain I failed to think of anyway to convince them otherwise, since they wouldn't have the mental compacity to process such an idea. Even when counting team based achivements you can still see who's clearly contributed more to the team based on their playstyle. Doublelift is pretty much a resource vaccum, he always has to be the carry, he always has to get all the resources for him to pop off and 1v9, and even than its a gamble. Everytime he tried his hands on utility adc it always ends in disaster. Bjergsen not only excelled at both the carry and the supporting roll but he's also more consistent at it. Idk how people see an one playstyle adc with inconsistent results while rely heavily on his teamate is better than a versatiled midlaner that's more consistently perform and prop their team up.

[@Verlisify]

Worth noting Bjergsen was playing 4v5 with Dyrus Top

[@ericlashchuk2621]

This is my favorite KZbin video since I'm a Bjergsen fan

[@heehee4341]

When I saw this post I was like, hm makes sense. But after dom explained it I realized it’s such a low quality post

[@WhatTheINDIE]

This discussion just reminds me now if the whole "messi or Ronaldo" argument 😂😂

[@SilencedButNotForgotten]

Except both DL and Messi are objectively the only answers.

[@Markus59L]

If you dont count as carry just cause you dont play for yourself and dont play for high dmg output you can also say that supports are never the MVP cause they dont deal dmg

[@markourosevic6719]

I feel like Bjergsen over DL is totaly reasonable (I do not see a reason why would you make a 1 hour video of talking about why did you put Bjergsen over DL, like its not something uncommon to do), but you putting Vulcan 7th over the like of CoreJJ and Sneaky. And not putting Aphromoo on the list at all is a crime.

[@riseagainstthemachine6079]

I remember Iwd saying that Score isnt even top 3 junglers of all time because he had only one trophy xD

[@BucsFanO22]

Which is true. He isn't a top 3 jungle. Like what?

[@riseagainstthemachine6079]

@@BucsFanO22 Tell me who wouldve been higher from your point of view? I personally rate him the highest but maybe you have some arguments that change my mind

[@BucsFanO22]

@@riseagainstthemachine6079 I gotta admit, score for sure is up there and it's hard to say honestly. But for me I'd put bengi, tian and clid top 3. There are quite a few I'd argue could be swapped around though and I wouldn't mind. For example Tarzan, insec, canyon, ning, score, jankos (kinda, he's the best in the west by a lot but not really best ever).

[@riseagainstthemachine6079]

@@BucsFanO22 Outside of bengi i don't see the longevity for clid and tian tbh... So yeah i guess we just value these things differently... For Tian btw: Yes he peaked insanely at 1 tournament. (Still not as much as dandy imo, but who cares) Yes he also was good, partly very good in about 1 and a half split. I don't watch too much of lpl and i wont bs, that I would, so you definitely have the favor of the doubt here for me.

[@grootgrrot9552]

@@BucsFanO22 how the f does clid and tian come up after their poor seasons??? Tian got better now but he was awful. Do you see canyon and other LPL/LCK junglers or do you live in 2019?

[@zackestin1368]

the people who say only championships matter are the same people who would say ruler and uzi are the goat adcs of their regions, despite ruler only winning his first championship this year and uzi in 2018.

[@lennzo9231]

Also Chovy just won his 1st championship, i guess he's not really that good xD

[@MrThemogget]

Hi Dom, I think youve done a great detailed gameplay case for bjerg being MVP. I think the case for doublelift is more in line with the case for perkz: success has followed him The reason doesn't matter, it might be ineffable, it might be intangibles, it might be that plays which look weird actually draw pressure and allow team success, it could be anything. On the other side, while you can highlight great play from bjerg, it does seem that despite his impressive in game play, there is a reason preventing a blossoming trophy case unless he is litterally hard 1v9ing, or on doublelifts team. Why is this? Is it bad luck? Does he have too large a voice? Does he demand too much from teammates? Who knows, but it IS reality

[@princeofgreece9054]

You can say success followed doublelift, but look at the people he got to play with compared to Bjerg after Doublelift went to TL. Doublelift got to play with one of the best supports in the world, along with Impact, Jensen in their prime. Meanwhile, Zven and mithy failed spectacularly on TSM, and TSM struggled to find a good consistent jungler. It’s absolutely the case that Doublelift was good himself, but was surrounded by players at his level. You could easily make an argument that Bjerg didn’t have that, not at all. And yet, for Bjergsen to still perform as well as he did while in that environment is really crazy.

[@MrThemogget]

@@princeofgreece9054 Hi Prince of greece, I think you may have missed my point slightly! What you have just said is true, but why is it true? TL had gone through many roster attempts before DL joined - including one where DL literally subbed into TL to save them from relgation! Does doublelift have the ability to convince good players to play with him? Does Bjergsen make otherwise good players lose confidence or play a style more suited to him? The answer is we dont know. What we do know, is that teams with doublelift on win trophies, and teams with bjerg on consistently have all star players look like shadows of themselves. The current TL lineup is even a good example of this. Bjerg in my opinion is actually looking like one of the better players on this TL roster, after maybe santorin. But why? Why is corejj so much worse? Why has hansama become nohandsama? Sucess is following one of these players with the exception of the split where doublelift was litterally admitting he wasnt trying because "spring doesnt matter" and collapse is following the other. I dont really like the "bjerg hasnt had good teams" angle. He has had absolutely beastly rosters built around him with top imports, they just never look good playing with him. Santorin was literally on his team before, and looked awful. He had the "best bot in the west" imported to replace doublelift, broken blade, the list goes on. As I said, we dont know the reasons - we can only know the outcomes.

[@nostalgiacorner1999]

This is the best understanding of the debate

[@JustDoYourJob]

Spring 2018 was DLS best playoffs and it’s not debatable sir.

[@bobmeur]

this gives Kobe and Shaq goat argument energy

[@vorbo01]

This is pretty easy to sort out tbh. Doublelift is the only one out of the two of then who is actually NA, so he's the only one who it could possibly be

[@jessyspence8589]

I would love to see how Sneaky would have performed with the level of supports Doublelift had.

[@J040PL7]

Untill clg won msg, clg was a disaster, dom is making it look like clg was supposed to be a super team but there's a reason regi flamed hard when tsm lost to them 🤣 It was like loosing a chess match against a retard.

[@telepresencebot2]

The only huge play I remember of Doublelift is his teamfight clean up vs c9 on lucian where he basically just culled the whole team to death and that pretty much ended the series. I was so disappointed in c9... lol

[@aly8595]

33:02 I almost choke with this 🤣

[@Jeffrey_Tyler]

This video made me realize that Jensen is actually better than DL. Bjerg > Jensen > DL

[@mrgameoz]

I member CLG memes about korean bootcamp, and dexter saying 1 week of practice in korea is better than LCS. KEKW

[@Lip836]

I can not believe they placed Hauntzer over Dyrus. Yikees

[@TheledgendaryNarwhal]

I can appreciate the ex semi pro call back

[@xandmangaming2885]

My favorite part was double tweeting the whole "experts" in quotes thing... its like nah bruh, your peers also agree, this isn't some "Caster/media narrative." You are the second best of all time, its something to be proud of. Also great fuckin content as always Dom, always love you going in and doing breakdowns like this

[@SilencedButNotForgotten]

He is objectively the best tho. They hate him 'cuz he has personality and ego (maybe too much, tbf).

[@nightraid1116]

@@SilencedButNotForgotten objectively isn't

[@ethanhowson6512]

This shit is so funny to me. Like when people argue the #1 on the NFL's top 100 every year. That award is voted on by the players and Armchair Andy's dismiss it when its literally given to who everyone in league says is the best player. Who better to say who is the GOAT than their peers? The fact majority of past pros who played in DL and Bjerg primes voted Bjerg is enough for me. Even the 2nd half of Rush Hour voted Bjerg like cmon

[@princeofgreece9054]

Even CoreJJ voted Bjerg as the best NA player of all time dude and that man laned with Doublelift for 2 years. Argument over.

[@marcusjimenez-skirving6469]

And your number 1.... "It's ME! ...aww It's Bjergsen"

[@Sanfaso]

Not gonna lie, i went into this video as a DL fanboy, that was gonna dissagree with Dom, but i got out with understanding his decision making, agreeing in a lot of his points, but still puting DL first because i'm still a fanboy.

[@Motorboatasaurus]

25:29 OMG thank you for putting it into proper words. I was always so annoyed with Monte Cristo and his non stop Korean worship.

[@Kestrel13]

personally i am not a bjergsen fan, but Dom does have many valid points. 10:36 and yes, just cuz bjerg didnt go 50/0 on TF and zil doesnt mean he wasnt ass-blasting them with his macro and shit.

[@ot1346]

Sneaky > doublelift but jsut to help DLs adc case, I feel like ADC competition in NA was far better than midlane. There were always better plays in Adc than there were mid. I swear the only good mids NA had were like Jensen POE and Notorious POB

[@Zeronightmarefox]

Watching IWD objectively discredit some random "Fan" certainly is entertaining.

[@powerpaul1995]

I dont mind if people either place dl of bjerg first, i just think it is int to not put them both top 2.

[@5x385]

You coulda just asked to call double lift, he’s egotistical but it’s a confidence thing not an asshole thing and though he can be an asshole it’s about expectations and I don’t think if you asked him point blank “are you the goat or is Bjergsen the goat” he’d say himself. He would surely say Bjergsen has had a greater impact on NA but maybe also bring up role impact if he had any argument at all. He did play at a time where ADC changed a lot.

[@andyhartkopf4167]

they don't care nearly as much and yeah adc did change a lot into a mage meta a tank bruiser meta, hes a good player but definitely had splits where others were better than him when he was at his most cocky.

[@lucasalarcon3230]

bj have more impact but mid was far weaker that adc. adc was legit the best NA lane until very recent

[@grootgrrot9552]

Bro doublelift hates Dom and blocked him over petty things. There's a reason Dom is passive aggressively shitting on doublelift here