American Reacts to Old Citroën Suspension torture Testing VS other cars

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@sbrader97
@sbrader97 Жыл бұрын
Citroen xantia activa holds the world record to this day at a handling test called the moose test even supercars havnt matched or beat it! All while the suspension is super comfortable for bumps too thanks to it being hydraulic
@IwillBwaiting
@IwillBwaiting Жыл бұрын
Indeed, even Porsche or Tesla can't handle the speed throughout that test and keep the line.
@arthurhq5741
@arthurhq5741 Жыл бұрын
Sadly the Xantia isn't that good. The km77 channel showed that the xantia is good at the moose test but gets beaten by a lot of modern cars.
@GoldenCroc
@GoldenCroc Жыл бұрын
Its very very good for its time, and even today compared to most cars. It isnt really accurate to say it still got the record though... It does in a way, but they havent used the sama parameters for the test since like the very early 2000s, so 20 some years ago. The cars tested after that have the cones at other places.
@jomei36
@jomei36 Жыл бұрын
but working on these cars is a nightmare
@cloterico
@cloterico Жыл бұрын
Like Arthur HQ said, KM77 did the test under the actual Moose test specifications and the Xantia was good but far from the best.
@tonycasey3183
@tonycasey3183 Жыл бұрын
When I was a kid in the 1970s, my dad used to love watching horse racing on TV. I was always fascinated by the long shots of the race showing a Citroen DS with a camera mounted on the roof, driving along the grass or gravel at the side of the track. When it cut to the close up of the horses galloping, the camera shots had barely any shake because the DSs suspension was so good.
@og_lama
@og_lama Жыл бұрын
Damn, didn't knew that..
@mirkozlikovski9553
@mirkozlikovski9553 Жыл бұрын
yeah... there's Jeremy Clarkson Citroën C6 test done as hippodrome camera car, compared with MBW E60 5 Series.... C6 did it with "flying colors", BMW not so...😋😋
@messoussiahmed9910
@messoussiahmed9910 Жыл бұрын
les courses vous le savez bien c'est ma grande passion ! les courses avec tiercé magazine ! La DS et Omar Shariff
@chongtak
@chongtak Жыл бұрын
@@messoussiahmed9910 "Le tiercé, c'est mon dada!"
@danielstokker
@danielstokker Жыл бұрын
Now that whole suspension is in your camera 😂😂😂
@EMvanLoon
@EMvanLoon Жыл бұрын
It's a real shame that Citroën doesn't make this suspension any more. It was costly, required a lot of maintenance, but man... the car feels like floating on air! So comfortable!
@normandiebryant6989
@normandiebryant6989 Жыл бұрын
The final C5s with hydractive don't seem to require suspension maintenance at all. I've had mine for 13 years and never had to do anything to it at all, thankfully.
@pierreghazarian6087
@pierreghazarian6087 Жыл бұрын
Not “a lot” of maintenance, just timely and careful, my cars with springs need new dampers regularly to keep optimal riding quality with how awful French roads are (the illegal speed bumps kill dampers in ~30000 km), my BX needs new spheres every 5 years or so (no matter how many km I’ve done), the only reason they wouldn’t last is if I used it at full load 100% of the time, the rest of the system is all original 35 years later (340000 km) apart from return hoses.
@mybricology7388
@mybricology7388 Жыл бұрын
​@@normandiebryant6989 it may have been introduced before, but in my memory it was introduced with Xantia Hydractive (just after years 2000), the multi layer rubber part of the sphere made possible to keep sphere as long as 200000km or more.
@Chillmax
@Chillmax Жыл бұрын
I'm afraid that simply isn't true, hydropneumatic suspension requires little to no maintenance for most of the time. Issues only usually arise when no general servicing has been done, the spheres have been left too long before a change (which is very easy), or a part has failed due to the car ageing and with higher mileage. I've had nearly 30 hydropneumatic Citroen and the suspension was almost never a problem. I can only remember problems with 3 cars, an early 24v XM (1991), the flow valve failed and needed replacing, a 24v XM year 2000, at 20 years old it wasn't 'floating' correctly and needed to go to a specialist to be corrected and on my C6 2005, a suspension pipe burst and was replaced. With old/ classic Citroen, your worst enemy is usually rust, poor electrics or rattles in the interior, but honestly suspension, is almost never an issue.
@htimsid
@htimsid Жыл бұрын
What maintenance does it require?
@rasmuswi
@rasmuswi Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: In 1981 Rolls-Royce got themselves a license to use Citroëns hydropneumatic suspension, so their cars used it for many years, or maybe they still use it.
@sumeragi69
@sumeragi69 Жыл бұрын
Yes, Rolls Royce used the Citroën suspensions for the Silver Shadow (1965-1980). From 1965 to 1969 on 4 wheels, then on the rear wheels only. The height wasn't adjustable.
@Arvipa.
@Arvipa. Жыл бұрын
Mercedes used them too, i dont know if a lot of models where using it but they add one citroen sphere for the rear suspension of the W140 S500 and probably on the S600 too
@marcuscoquer5958
@marcuscoquer5958 Жыл бұрын
Yep. I know for a fact that Citroen Xantia spheres are identical to silver spur spheres. We fitted them at the owners request.
@Chillmax
@Chillmax Жыл бұрын
@@sumeragi69 Good correction there, I thought it was way before 81.
@Chillmax
@Chillmax Жыл бұрын
The older bottles of LHM, the hydraulic fluid, always used to say 'for Citroen & Rolls Royce'.
@ZakiWasik
@ZakiWasik Жыл бұрын
The car at 0:28 is a Citroen GS which was their mid-size model at the time. It's quite interesting in that it was originally designed to have a wankel engine, but the oil crisis put a stop to that and instead it ended up suffering the same underpowered faith as most other Citroens with either a 1L or 1.3L engine. At 2:38 you get a glimpse of the legendary SM which was powered by a Maserati engine.
@alexandrecorelli7179
@alexandrecorelli7179 Жыл бұрын
By the way, Citroën actually sold a few Wankel GS.
@DenUitvreter
@DenUitvreter Жыл бұрын
The GS was small light saloon, a 1000kg car. This kind of ride quality was even more unique for this size, but with the birotor wankel engine it would have been faster than the Golf (Rabbit) GTI of a few years later. I agree Citroen somehow always ended up with an underpowered model range, often only introducing the bigger engines later giving the cars a reputation for not being sporty enough. If the BX was introduced with the 1.9 it would defenitely been car of the year, but is was introduced as 1.4 to 1.6 litre car.
@jonaslechat9472
@jonaslechat9472 Жыл бұрын
when they got with peugeot they finally got good engines but yeah not before unfortunatly, especially the 3.0L V6 ES9 engine that you can find in a xantia (which is one of the best sounding V6 of all time), a very understressed engine that could make in it's weakest form around 200hp, reliably pushed to 400hp in the Venturi 400 GT. And wielding that engine is the forgotten legendary Xantia Activa V6 wich could out corner any car of it's time... maclaren F1 and other supercars included
@phila2999
@phila2999 Жыл бұрын
@@alexandrecorelli7179 called "GS birotor" ; very rare !
@clivewilliams3661
@clivewilliams3661 Жыл бұрын
The Citroen GS was available with the Wankel engine (limited quantity) and two air cooled 4cyl boxer engines of 1015cc and 1220cc. Those cars were not underpowered compared with other family saloons of the day, the 1015 had to be revved (up to 8,000rpm!) to get it moving and the 1220 could mix it with its contemporaries. The GS was aerodynamic and could (and did in our hands) cross continents at a cruising speed of 85-90mph. The only fault with it was that it was not a hatch back like the Renault 16, another contemporary, because the wonderfully deep and square boot was a PITA to fill even with the suspension raised. I remember a CAR magazine report on some exotic driving across France, where the journalist commented that he had to use all the power and handling of his top level sports car to stay with an enthusiastically driven GS.
@Nostromo1966
@Nostromo1966 Жыл бұрын
I worked for Citroen for many years and the hydropneumatic suspension was so successful that today all commercial aircraft carry this Citroen patent system.
@robinrodrigues3451
@robinrodrigues3451 Жыл бұрын
Are you kidding ?
@Nostromo1966
@Nostromo1966 Жыл бұрын
@@robinrodrigues3451 I am not kidding
@goku445
@goku445 Жыл бұрын
@@Nostromo1966 I couldn't find info confirming that.
@trespire
@trespire Жыл бұрын
Paul Magés was an aviation engineer who went to work for Citroën. He designed and developed the hydropneomatic system.
@goku445
@goku445 Жыл бұрын
@@trespire That seems to be partially false as well. Paul Magès was the inventor but he was engaged by Citroën at age 17 and apparently never worked in the aviation.
@jean-louisticchi3652
@jean-louisticchi3652 Жыл бұрын
You nailed it : there are cars, and there are Citroëns. They definitely have something the others don't have, and will never have, no matter how hard they try. And oleopneumatic systems are totally reliable, don't listen to stupid parrots without a clue repeating stupid and false rumors. I drove hundreds of thousands km in Citroëns, more of 500000 km as a driver myself and never had any problems. The DS, the CX and the BX I owned all reached well over 320000 km and they were not scrapped, I sold them. Also owned a 2CV (my first car of course), 2 Xsara Coupé and a C4 Coupé. If you've just discovered Citroën, let me tell you mate : you've just stepped into a much more interesting world ! Browse KZbin for videos about the whole history of the brand, including its creator. You won't be disappointed.
@peddal
@peddal Жыл бұрын
I used to have a Citroen BX 19 GTI. Best car I've ever owned. It handles turns, bumps and rough roads perfectly. And with the 1,9 ltr engine, I had no problem leaving BMW's and Mercedes behind me on Norwegian mountain roads. I really, really miss that car. It's as good as pictured in this video, if not even better. It's no exaggeration in this promovideo from Citroen.
@tobytroubs
@tobytroubs Жыл бұрын
Same here...great car , I was so suprised
@ivo215
@ivo215 Жыл бұрын
Mine was a 1.6 TZI that had it's engine and front brakes replaced with those frome a 2.0L 8v Xantia. The XU10 engine 'fits', except the starter motor interferes with the radiator. So a smaller radiator was fitted, that could be mounted a few centimeters forward and clear the starter motor. Absolutely loved that car.
@pistonburner6448
@pistonburner6448 Жыл бұрын
If you've convinced yourself that you were faster than BMWs and Mercedes in a BX, you're lying to yourself.
@DenUitvreter
@DenUitvreter Жыл бұрын
@@pistonburner6448 In the mountains? The BX is a very light car that came into it's own with the 1.9, with it's great brakes and it's predictable handling I think it's very realistic. If you put a racing driver into a 6 cylinder BMW it would be faster, but you don't need to be a specially skilled driver to drive the BX close to it's limits.
@peddal
@peddal Жыл бұрын
@@DenUitvreter thank you for explaining, so I didn't have to. That's exactly what I meant to say. It would be left behind on straight roads and highways, but, there is not alot of those in rural Norway.
@JulesStoop
@JulesStoop Жыл бұрын
9:00 when my brother emigrated from Europe to the US over ten years ago, not being able to own and drive a Citroën was one of the few things that came close to persuading him to stay 😅
@Valentezinho
@Valentezinho Жыл бұрын
Moose Test! About the logo, on a trip to Poland in 1890, Andre Citroen discovered a gear-cutting process that was based on a chevron-shaped design. Citroen saw this as the means to start his career in manufacturing, so in 1919, when he began making vehicles, he adopted the double chevron as his logo. Great stories about other manufacturer logos as well. Could be a cool video.....
@foxy126pl6
@foxy126pl6 Жыл бұрын
Oooh, i didnt know my country of Poland was involved in creating Citroen, cool!
@helloweener2007
@helloweener2007 Жыл бұрын
"Moose Test!" It is an Elk Test. Mooses are living in North America, elks in Eurasia. The test was done in Scandinavian countries, so it must be an elk test. ;-)
@cjgm12
@cjgm12 Жыл бұрын
@@helloweener2007 Right! The Swedish magazine Teknikens Värld did this test om the new Mercedes A-class and the "car" walloped and rolled over. What followed was a hysterical mop up-operation from MB and the German motor press, and ended after some time with the jerries folding...
@peddal
@peddal Жыл бұрын
@@helloweener2007 Sorry to say. It's Moose in both Europe and North America. It's just us Scandinavian countries that have our own word for it, that resembles Elk.. It's älg in Sweden and elg in Norway. But it's still a moose. The elk is more familiar to the Deer, and not as common in Sweden, Finland and Norway.
@nielsabbas7166
@nielsabbas7166 Жыл бұрын
​@@peddal- In the Netherlands it's called an Eland test. I guess this is the Dutch wordt for elk or moose.
@Lext87
@Lext87 Жыл бұрын
Camera crews used the Citroën's DS, CX and XM as camera cars for horse races. Those were the only cars they could drive around the track on the infield and still have a steady recording.
@Chillmax
@Chillmax Жыл бұрын
An additional benefit was that the estate models were usually the largest available on the market, so great for big camera equipment.
@rahansk8200
@rahansk8200 Жыл бұрын
The suspension of Xantia activa , incridible.
@markpitts5194
@markpitts5194 Жыл бұрын
I must have the roughest example on the planet, but I love it.
@KiltedGreen
@KiltedGreen Жыл бұрын
Don’t forget that the suspension was self-levelling - no sagging at the back when full of luggage, no hitting the bump stops, no diving under full braking. My parents had a GS Club Estate, they ran a hotel and had to get extra crockery for Christmas. I rode with dad in it for 50 miles to Norwich with nothing in the back at all. Arrived in Norwich, folded down the rear seat (the luggage compartment was completely rectangular with no intrusion and the bumper (fender) lifted with the tailgate so no awkward lip. We filled the rear from behind the front seats to the rear with crockery and almost to the top of the doors. Crockery is HEAVY. Dad started the engine - after the usual clicks and whirs, the GS rose to its normal height. More throttle than usual was needed to pull that weight but the ride didn’t change one bit from an empty car! Incredible. It did lean more into corners and was not as responsive - I mean, inertia and all that, but no other car than one with hydropneumatic suspension could have done that.
@LarkspeedNL
@LarkspeedNL Жыл бұрын
Some of the Citroens had great suspension, I used to own a Citroen Xantia with hydropneumatic suspension which is the same system they used in the DS. By far the most comfortable ride I have ever had in a car. It even automatically lowered itself when on the highway to reduce drag and increase fuel efficiency.
@ZIGZAG12345
@ZIGZAG12345 Жыл бұрын
I miss my Xantia too. It wasn't a special version, just a regular petrol, but with the state of the roads in the UK and the speedbumps etc., now would be a great time for some suspension like that!
@uwekall6281
@uwekall6281 Жыл бұрын
At 11:15 that's a CX, the successor of the DS. CX is also shorthand for the air resistance factor which was quite good for the time with the CX. Apart from that it later had bigger engines and also very reliable 2.5 liter diesels. The most interesting variants were the 'Loadrunner' sixwheelers used for international newspaper deliveries between Paris and down to Munich or even Milano as far as I know.
@seorsamaclately4294
@seorsamaclately4294 Жыл бұрын
There was also a 6-wheeler XM. I saw one every morning on the A6 to Frankfurt, until the early 2000s.
@Hipas_Account
@Hipas_Account Жыл бұрын
@@seorsamaclately4294 Yeah those were done by a famous coach builder, which also did the XM wagons and BX Wagons if I'm not entirely mistaken.
@woutervanwijk4369
@woutervanwijk4369 Жыл бұрын
They ran for millions of kilometers too
@ZIGZAG12345
@ZIGZAG12345 Жыл бұрын
Only ever seen pics of the six-wheeler, but it does look impressive! Must have had a lot of space too, the CX Familiale was already a big car for that time, was available as a 7 seater before they were popular in Europe!
@cargx44
@cargx44 Жыл бұрын
My father have a CX, and its a very good car (and beautiful).
@MrGeneralScar
@MrGeneralScar Жыл бұрын
Dad had the 1969 D Series Citroen ID20, gave it to my mum when he passed, still to this day, it is the smoothest car I have ever driven in. I now own a Citroen C5 2004 model, which is smoother than most new cars that I have ridden in recently, but nowhere near as smooth as the ID20. Those cars where ahead of thier time, 1969, a version of power steering (one that reduces assistance as you speed up), and no brake peddle, just a manual button valve on the floor that as you push on the button it releases hydrolic pressure into the braking system. Disc brakes on the front axle at the transmission end of the axle (centred under the engine) and not near the wheels, conventional drums at the back. No shock absorbers, no springs. Another interesting part is jacking the car up to change a tire. No Jack in the car, just a steel mount. You would raise the suspension to full high, put in the mount into the correct location then lower the suspension full low. It will then pick the tyre up off the ground that is closest to the steel bar. By the looks of it the car in the shot at 1:32 is an ID20, looks the same as a 1969, but they made a few years models that looked similar as well as a few different ID numbers that look similar. The tread on tyres of the ID20 is also interesting as its an asymetrical thread pattern, its different on the outside of the tyre to the inside of the tyre. Also the headlights turn with the steering, so when you turn a corner say to the left, the left headlight turns to point the direction you want to go, same for the right headlight, it turns as you turn the steering. 8:20 even in my 2004 C5 wagon, getting it to skid in wet weather... nearly impossible. The 1969 D series, was in it when Dad was driving in heavy wet weather once, and he had to break hard, I just remember feeling like the car was about to embark on some form of ballet routine standing on its nose, but it never slid or locked its tyres. Citroen definitely have some good braking power, that 1969 D series, the front discs had pads that cover a good 90% of the size of the rotor, the pads are huge, just imagine discs almost the size of a current day performance 6-piston caliper, with pads that are bigger than the calipers you see on say the current day mustangs. The rotors are not as wide, but they are still fairly large.
@GeoffDay-t4g
@GeoffDay-t4g 2 ай бұрын
I am on my 6th C5. Great car. hugely underrated in UK, which is great because they are so cheap here.
@rinibrugel3573
@rinibrugel3573 Жыл бұрын
I saw a commercial where a Citroen car was raised up to full suspension hight and then lifted one wheel up so the tyre could be changed if you got a flat. This was in Australia.
@peddal
@peddal Жыл бұрын
I've tried it too on my BX. The car is so balanced, that if you set it to high position, you can remove the tire without the car falling down on the calipers.
@ericvanquickelberghe5111
@ericvanquickelberghe5111 Жыл бұрын
My first Citroen was a Xantia 1997 and was also famous for his adjustable suspension wich make this car very luxurious. Today i drive a New C4 that have a modern reactive suspension wich make me very happy , because i am living in Belgium and our country is famous for his bad roadconditions. Citroen is thatway the best car we can buy.
@sandrinedelamarre6095
@sandrinedelamarre6095 Жыл бұрын
hello, i am french and we have a lot of citroens in my family. I had an uncle who had a cx. In this car there is a lever to activate or not the suspension. And on Sundays with the family, my uncle put all the moms in the back, he activated the suspension and deliberately aimed for the holes and the bumps in the road. We jumped softly, we laughed a lot, these are good memories. My companions when I met him had a zx, we kept him for a long time. I didn't like her, she wasn't the prettier Citroën and I always wanted to sleep on board. Good evening from 🇫🇷.
@Chillmax
@Chillmax Жыл бұрын
Salut du Royaume-Uni! My 1987 CX Safari is sitting happily in my garage, merci France ;-).
@cjgm12
@cjgm12 Жыл бұрын
The one you did not know is a CX, which came as a follow up to the DS. I have owned 3 of them (still drive a Citroën) and the film is absolutely right. Their roadholding was fabulous and the ride pure luxury.
@chrisperyagh
@chrisperyagh Жыл бұрын
I can confirm that as my GTi Turbo 2 stuck to the road like glue.
@uwekall6281
@uwekall6281 Жыл бұрын
Except from the SM we had all of the Citroëns in our family. Really comfortable cars if the roads aren't perfect or outright bad.
@PedroConejo1939
@PedroConejo1939 Жыл бұрын
I'm only missing the SM, XM and C6. I wish I still had pretty well all of them.
@ToeInMyJam
@ToeInMyJam Жыл бұрын
My dad had a 1976 CX2200 and it was a lovely car, a super smooth ride and had interesting gimmicks like one window wiper, a roller ball speedometer. I recall us being blocked in by a merc, and my Dad raised the suspension as he had a caravan hook on the back, he pushed the merc back and then drove away.
@kirsa9911
@kirsa9911 Жыл бұрын
During my childhood and teenage years, my parents had some kind of Citroën. All holidays in the 2CV were fantastic. Standing in the backseat with my head out of the roof... I know nothing about cars, don't even have a driver's license, but I still recognize the sound of a Citroën.
@tolstoyed
@tolstoyed Жыл бұрын
today i was driving just when it was getting dark, so i couldn’t see well in my rear view mirror, but i saw this car approach me, so i slowed down to about 80km/h, to let it pass me. it got really close to the back of my car, which i found strange because the road was clear (nobody coming in the opposite direction. the road went slightly uphill, i saw the car decided to overtake me, but it took a while and all i could hear was its engine roar. when it got next to me i finally saw it was a cv2…i slowed down even more, but it still took that car quite a bit to overtake me. obviously it got that close to the back of my car to get some drag…at like 80 km/h haha. awesome sight though because i hardly ever see one of those still on the road. i kinda wish we could go back in time, just to have car makers who were wild with their designs. now most cars look very similar and kinda boring really
@roncris4587
@roncris4587 Жыл бұрын
This hydrolic suspension, Citroën was known for, is kind of an acquired taste. My uncle used to own a DS, and this was the only car where I needed a paper bag ! That sensation of gliding over everything... 🤢
@KarsonNow
@KarsonNow Жыл бұрын
You need to check Citroen Xantia V6 3.0L with active hydraulic suspension tests. Mind blowing. Btw. the evasion test calls "Elk Test" - I think Xantia is still holding the 1th place.
@sturmstug
@sturmstug Жыл бұрын
Had big Bmw, Mb, Gm…still missing my CX. Best ever. Interior and controls with gauges would blew your mind.
@chrisperyagh
@chrisperyagh Жыл бұрын
The rocker switch indicators were like nothing else (except maybe the GSA and 1st series BX) and all within reach.
@pesjaner1
@pesjaner1 Жыл бұрын
As Citroën driver for few decades (XM, C5/1, 2x C5/2, now C4 aircross, total ca. 2,5 mil. km), I can say: Once Citroën, always Citroën.
@Erdnav27
@Erdnav27 Жыл бұрын
Is dat wat, die Aircross? Als je een C5 gewend bent bedoel ik... ;-)
@pesjaner1
@pesjaner1 Жыл бұрын
​​​@@Erdnav27 well ... it doesn't really compare, but it fits for my needs now (retirement, less km). Although back to springs and shock absorbers is p.i.t.a. 😏
@mirkozlikovski9553
@mirkozlikovski9553 Жыл бұрын
@@pesjaner1 meh... C4 Aircross is rebadged Mitsubishi! you should go for C4 III.... slightly higher sitting position, but the closest thing to hydraulic Citroëns... or C5 Aircross if you need a medium SUV
@tigerxra8515
@tigerxra8515 Жыл бұрын
I have 2007 Citroen C5. Yeah, the suspension is the most interesting part. Some people criticise it for being unreliable. I don't know, but my C5 will be celebrating 10 year anniversary of staying with me this May. The only thing I've done was to clean brushes of hydraulic pump motor. No other parts have worn down regarding the hydraulics. Of course, I need to replace a worn out joint or stabiliser, but that's usual car stuff. I like, that I can lift it up and go off-roading. Good thing, when I want to check my grain fields. I was literally competing with crossovers (those cars, which kind of have a body of SUV, but they lack an all wheel drive) in snow and poor condition road and my little C5 won, lol.
@seorsamaclately4294
@seorsamaclately4294 Жыл бұрын
My 2nd Xantia had 480000 km on it before I got my 1st C5, and the suspension got replaced at 400000 km.
@tigerxra8515
@tigerxra8515 Жыл бұрын
@@seorsamaclately4294 Mine C5 is at 365000 Km right now. We will see, when it will require a serious suspension repair.
@GoldenCroc
@GoldenCroc Жыл бұрын
Its not unreliable, especially not the faclift model or the gen 2 ones. Them being unreliable is just outdated info parroted by those that dont really know, but got an opinion anyway. Unfortunately, there are a lot of those people, in all kind of different fields...
@mirkozlikovski9553
@mirkozlikovski9553 Жыл бұрын
I had (well "inherited" from my dad) a GS that drove on the same LHM suspensions balls for over 25 years without a single malfunction.... well, except once, when we were kind of "off-roading" through the forest and damaged one of the LHM pipes leading to the rear suspension and got an oil leak. but I can't count that as a "normal" use malfunction" 😌.... and the "longevity trick" was simple: always wait till the car rose up and filled the suspension system pressure, before moving the car! this was not necessary after the implementation of the anti-sink valves on the suspensions of later models, but GS didn't have that...
@MJ-uk6lu
@MJ-uk6lu 7 ай бұрын
It's basically Pug 407, so usually reliable car.
@ruxxie
@ruxxie Жыл бұрын
everytime i see a old citröen i think of "PHANTOMAS" loved that film back in the days when i was a kid
@ronaldderooij1774
@ronaldderooij1774 Жыл бұрын
I had the privilige to own 2 Citroën hydropneumatic cars (BX and Xantia). I have a childhood experience from the DS23 Pallas (one of two ever built, because of the options on it). The comparison between the Audi, Mercedes, Fiat and Citroën was not a commercial, but a test by TV journalists for a German?/Dutch? TV show.
@renemcdaniel8806
@renemcdaniel8806 Жыл бұрын
I was the Citroen importer/Dealer for Jamaica in the mid 1990's. I brought in the Xantia, 2.0lit mid size and the smaller Xara, 1.8 and 2.0lit and the Saxo 1.6lit. They were all fabulous cars. Only the Xantia had the hydraulic suspension, the other 2 used a MacParson suspension like the Peaugeot, they both operated on the rough potholed Jamaican roads. Both Peaugeot and Citroen shared the same engines, Peaugeot went racing and Citroen went Rallying with Sebastian Loeb who racked up 8 World Championships, and countless other Wins.
@therickman1990
@therickman1990 Жыл бұрын
They drove those CX's in the Paris-Dakar Rally. And in recent years, there's been a Dakar Classic which runs along side the Dakar Rally, but all with Dakar cars from the 90's and older, including a Dutch team with a rally prepared factory CX in the same colour scheme as the original rally car.
@tonyhaynes9080
@tonyhaynes9080 Жыл бұрын
He failed to mention that the DS was also a successful rally car
@grodalf8357
@grodalf8357 Жыл бұрын
Here are some of its notable Citroën innovations: 1. the front-wheel drive of the engine hence the citroen traction 2. Hydropneumatic suspension: The hydropneumatic suspension is an emblematic innovation from Citroën. It was first introduced on the DS in 1955 and offered unrivaled comfort at the time. This suspension was able to compensate for load variations and road irregularities, providing an extremely smooth ride. Even rolls royce bought the patents I believe. What we just saw on your video . 3 Citroën has also Invented the directional headlights: The directional headlights were introduced for the first time on the Citroën SM in 1970. The headlights followed the movements... The 2cv car cheap and easy to manufacture I invite you to watch videos on this subject In summary here is Citroën. I am a Frenchman who came across your video and on top of that I restore these cars in a collector's car garage
@aleksandrnestrato
@aleksandrnestrato 8 ай бұрын
One more thing, prior to all you’ve mentioned: herringbone gears. Also known as double helical. A pair of teeth of such gear is Citroën’s emblem. 😊 To me it speaks a lot! The car manufacturer didn’t choose a symbol of a lion, jaguar, horse, bull, symbol of unity, or a first letter (two letters) of their name, or a coat of arms. They chose to showcase their technical invention as their logo! That is (was) a deeply and truly ‘made-by-engineers’ company!
@grodalf8357
@grodalf8357 8 ай бұрын
Exactly, I see you are an expert. Do you know Henry Chapron? He modified the bodies on the DS, I had the opportunity to restore one
@aleksandrnestrato
@aleksandrnestrato 8 ай бұрын
@@grodalf8357 I’m not an expert:) I’m an amateur interested in cars for 40+ years. Henri Chapron, I’ve just googled him. No, I didn’t know the man, thanx for the introduction. I’ll go surf his works now. 🙂
@seorsamaclately4294
@seorsamaclately4294 Жыл бұрын
The weird-looking car is a CX. A friend who owns a CX always said: you don't park a CX, you berth it.
@cjgm12
@cjgm12 Жыл бұрын
😂
@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188
@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 Жыл бұрын
After a number of Mini, BMWs and Golfs from 1966, I got a special offer of new Peugeot 306XL (Diesel) in Denmark and it was a revelation how well suspended it was (I have driven French (Diesel) cars since then)! The French really knows how to make a comfortable suspension (And very economic cars. I was past 29 km/l on a full tank in one! I have fuel books from many years of driving) ! And the mostly smaller engines was a result of the French Taxation System. The sadly late French luxury Car Brand: "Facel Vega" had a huge American engine, as taxes wasn't a problem for this segment of cars!
@mouseanalyse
@mouseanalyse Жыл бұрын
I always liked the shape of the CX, especially the quirky inversed curve of the rear window. On the GS it was the Wankel that intrigued me. And driving the DS, I’ve always felt it really needed that special engine André Citroën had planned for it. They attempted to compensate that later with the SM, but I think it’s not quite the low center of gravity flat 6-cilinder (boxer) he had in mind. Fascinating stories, expensive engineering choices. Sad that the reliability was so bad. Still mighty impressed with the BX’s handling in the curvy Ardennes roads on a trip from Spa area to Saint-Hubert area on only B-roads and smaller.
@jeanclaude521
@jeanclaude521 Жыл бұрын
André Citroën, the founder of Citroën, embarked on a world tour in 1924 that became a legendary journey in the history of the automobile industry. The tour was an ambitious marketing effort aimed at demonstrating the capabilities of Citroën cars, promoting the brand globally, and gathering information about the automotive markets in different countries. The tour started on July 4, 1924, from the Parc des Princes stadium in Paris and ended on February 26, 1925, covering a distance of 48,000 kilometers across Europe, Asia, and the Americas. Citroën used several of its newly designed vehicles for the tour, including the Citroën B10 and the Citroën C3. The journey was not without its challenges. André Citroën faced numerous obstacles, including treacherous roads, extreme weather conditions, and mechanical breakdowns. However, he persevered and successfully completed the tour, becoming the first person to circumnavigate the globe in an automobile. The world tour of André Citroën was a remarkable achievement that helped to establish Citroën as a global automotive brand. It demonstrated the durability, reliability, and innovative engineering of Citroën cars, and helped to establish the company as a major player in the automotive industry. The tour also laid the foundation for Citroën's continued success in the years to come.
@houtanarefi3325
@houtanarefi3325 Жыл бұрын
That big sedan is Citroen CX, I had one of them, all models from Citroen that you shown on this video have Hydropneumatic suspension except 2CV, on Hydroupneumatic system there are no springs or shock absorbers instead they have a Nitrogen spheres on each wheel that acts as spring and shock absorber and a hydraulic pump will support the whole system, on this system you have auto level correction and you can manually change the height of the car and because of that you see that CX goes for a little offroading. also that hydraulic pump supports the brake system and steering system too, there is no vacuum booster or master cylinder, hydraulic pressure will go directly to the brakes on the wheels and because of that different brake system they are very stable on braking in bad condition roads. also the brake pressure on rear wheels are variable, more weight on the rear seats and trunk means more power on rear brakes. steering system also in all CX and SM and some other models are self centering means that when you turn the wheel and take your hands off the steering wheel steering will go back to the center automatically. 2CV`s they have no hydraulic suspension instead a completely different system, on 2CV each side front and rear wheels are connected to each other mechanically so when front left side wheel goes up left side rear wheel will forced to go down and with this act the body will be stable.
@marksaunderson3042
@marksaunderson3042 Жыл бұрын
I had a Citroen BX many years ago, and it was like was like being on a flying carpet, you hardly felt the road, but at the same time stayed nicely in control.
@fryke
@fryke Жыл бұрын
The Citroën models you saw in this video were the 2CV, the DS, then the CX, GS and SM. The latter is a subject to discover, as it's both one of the greatest Citroën cars - and their death knell (Peugeot took them over after that adventure). Citroën bought Maserati and decided to combine their great technology of the DS with the prowess of a Maserati engine. (If the DS was lacking in anything, it was a true sports model. The SM was supposed to be that.)
@fryke
@fryke Жыл бұрын
Oh, yeah, you ended the video on the GS model, which was a smaller car compared to the DS, SM and CX. The CX was the successor of the DS. I grew up seeing a lot of them here in Switzerland.
@dutchman7623
@dutchman7623 Жыл бұрын
@@fryke Yep, an SM session going bad... Sad because Citroen produced excellent cars.
@norwegiangadgetman
@norwegiangadgetman Жыл бұрын
The model at 2:20 is the GS. Fun car. 1L or 1.2L (45 or 60bHp respectively) 4cyl air-cooled boxer engine. The crank for the small jack can actually be used to crankstart the engine. (The hole is just below the double chevron logo in the grille) The luxury edition was the GS Pallas(Yes, named after a goddess) and included a black vinyl coating on the roof to look like a soft top. My first car... I would NOT take it offroad. (Besides the 2CV, of course. It was designed for it) When you raise the height of a Citroen the suspension stiffens up and the ride gets uncomfortable(I drove my GS on tractor tracks a lot, but hardly ever needed to lift it) and at 'top' there's no flex at all. It's ONLY for changing tires or garage work. In fact, it's highly advised in the user manual NOT to drive it at faster than a walking pace in that setting. 2CV design requirements were 'able to cross a plowed field without breaking the eggs transported in a basked on the rear seats, cheap to manufacture, easy to repair, room for even tall people(Andre Citroën himself tested this by wearing a tophat when he got into it.) They supposedly even tried a pull-start, but a secretary broke a nail, and they went back to electric starter. Take a look at the rear of a Citroën CX. The rear window is curved the 'wrong way'... Many models (GS, CX, BX among others) have the window washer nozzles placed on the wiper arm. Incredibly effective.
@pierreghazarian6087
@pierreghazarian6087 Жыл бұрын
I take my BX on dirt roads and it’s fine, I put it on the second highest setting and just let it coast in second gear and accelerate a bit when it needs more traction, never had any issues, elevated sidewalks are far more dangerous (turns out they’re designed to destroy cars and are illegal in most countries but city planners don’t give a crap).
@norwegiangadgetman
@norwegiangadgetman Жыл бұрын
@@pierreghazarian6087 Yeah, dirt roads are fine. These cars LOVE a proper dirt road. I miss my old BX Estate. Unfortunately, the 6WD dump truck that was backing up... didn't miss... I no longer drive my private car on the job...
@dendel9784
@dendel9784 Жыл бұрын
As a Frenchman I can tell you a little bit more on Citroens : The one you couldn't identify was the CX which came in replacement of the DS in 1974. The one in the begining of the video which looked a little as a CX but a bit smaller was the GS (created around 1970) One point regarding the 2CV is it had been first elaborated during WWII was germans were in France, but this project was kept secret from them. When they reactivated it after the war, this car was intended for peasants (at least for rural persons), and par of the specification was : "This car has to be able to go across a fied, with a bag of eggs inside it, without breaking a single one", for the rest, it was designed to be very cheap and minimal even though it was not as small as Fiat 500. Even if we don't talk of pneumatic suspentions, the Citroen Traction was the first car produced with high volumes with front wheels traction, and it was quite revolutionary at the time (1933), there was a gang of robbers named "le gang des tractions" who were using these cars because the police wasn't able to catch them as they were very fast on small roads compared to traditional cars with rear wheel propulsion. Also the brand badge is the "chevron" which is the shape of the gears inside the gearbox, which was also invented by Citroen to be smoother, and more robust. (back in the 1920's) Citroens have always been cars with a very good chassis, and always seeking for innovation on this part, and were looked in France as engineers cars but the drawback was regarding the engines which were not as developed as the competitors, and the fact that their innovation was too quick and gave them unreliability reputation (The DS had many issues with their suspensions at the beginning, and the average mechanics in France was not able to repair them, so the reputation went bad and remained bad even after these cars became very reliable). This is the reason why even though they should have become the main brand in France due to their technical quality, Citroen suffered from unreliability reputation and had to be purchased first by Michelin, and then by Peugeot because of financial difficulties (good engineers but poor administration). Hope this was not too long :)
@davidc.w.2908
@davidc.w.2908 Жыл бұрын
The Citroën cars from today are either a hit or miss. I had a C3, with an automatic transmission. I think they called it the sensodrive, basically a transmission without real gears. Driving it was awesome, but the number of technical problems with it was just insane. So much that the dealership didn’t know how to fix the car and sent it to another dealership, who sent it to the factory. They replaced so many things and still, I always had to have at least one major issue. We went on vacation with it and they gave me a choice: no cruise control or no airconditioning… I chose the no cruise control. What do these two issues even have in common? The gearbox was replaced, all the wiring, the fan, the air intake and many more. Everything seem to break down. In the end, I drove it less than a year. Never again!
@VampyrMygg
@VampyrMygg Жыл бұрын
In the 90s they made a performance version of the suspension, in a model called Citroen Xantia Activa, which you could get with a V6 engine as well, but those things had a performance focused version of the suspension, and they'd basically corner leveled and is fascinating to watch.
@Chillmax
@Chillmax Жыл бұрын
I thought one of the sadnesses of the Activa was that it only came in a 2L? If you're correct, maybe the V6 was only available in LHD?!
@VampyrMygg
@VampyrMygg Жыл бұрын
@@Chillmax I don't know if it was LHD only or anything, but to quote a quick google search as I got unsure: "The Citroën Xantia Activa V6 still holds the record speed (85 km/h (53 mph)) through the moose test maneuver, due to its active anti-roll bars."
@Beksization
@Beksization Жыл бұрын
I understand that in the UK back in the day they used to use Citroëns as camera cars during horse races simply due to their rather refined ride quality.
@1650313155230
@1650313155230 Жыл бұрын
A few CXs were exported to the US but for Legal reasons the name of Citroën had to be removed as Citroën had removed its activity from the States. So the importator had just to slightly modify some aspects of the vehicle. Without trademark it was difficult the CX to be a comercial success there.
@numeristatech
@numeristatech Жыл бұрын
10:45 is a CX. Huge inside. sort of the evolution of the GS. That morphed into the BX up into the early 90's - plastic body and awesome comfort. That evolved into the Xantia, which was their last (to my knowledge) top of the range with the hydraulic suspension.
@TheGalifrey
@TheGalifrey Жыл бұрын
People who called the Citroen suspension "unreliable" didn't take into account how often car's with conventional suspension break a spring, blow a shock etc. I had many Citroens with the Hydropneumatic suspension and never had to do more than recharge the spheres or replace the odd corroded hydraulic line (brake).
@GeoffDay-t4g
@GeoffDay-t4g 2 ай бұрын
Agree, i've owned 6 C5's. Never had a failure of hydrolic system
@stevenwigston1
@stevenwigston1 Жыл бұрын
remember Citroën as a kid watching horse racing on TV, it was the only car that could follow the race and still manage to keep the camera steady.
@joeldumas5861
@joeldumas5861 Жыл бұрын
Plus and cons of Citroën hydropneumatic suspension: - plus: if you're a smuggler at the Switzerland border, thank to the self leveling suspension, the custom officer can't tell at first sight if your Citroën is overloaded with gold bars 😂 - cons: in hydropneumatic, there is "hydro", and the feeling is similar to a boat at sea. I still have painful memories of seasickness as a child in our family DS 🤢
@pierreghazarian6087
@pierreghazarian6087 Жыл бұрын
All the later models have a less boaty ride, especially the ones with pseudo-MacPherson struts (BX onwards).
@MJ-uk6lu
@MJ-uk6lu 7 ай бұрын
That's not a big problem, a lot of cars from 80s were so floaty that you got sick in them too, but with no comfort of Citroen.
@johnheraty3554
@johnheraty3554 Жыл бұрын
Their modern era cars are pretty good too. We had a 2002 Picasso, a very "Bulbous" looking car, really roomy, really comfortable, loads of storage, ideal family car. Driving down through England to the ferry and down through France and Spain with camping gear and three kids. Comfort all the way, a high driving position too meant you knew perfectly where each corner of the car was. Utterly reliable too, pity it got wrecked by careless elderly Audi driver.
@jacobzimmermann59
@jacobzimmermann59 Жыл бұрын
The model at 2:17 is the GS. The DS was Citroen's flagship model, the GS was a more mid-market, middle class car but it had the same hydropneumatic suspension as the DS. Interesting bit of trivia: the 2CV didn't have the hydropneumatic suspension, it was a conventional coil spring system but in a very unique and clever setup. The 2CV was actually designed before WW2 when rural France was still very poor and with terrible roads, many of them unsealed. Andre Citroen wanted to build a simple, cheap car for those farmers, peasants and rural people and, famously, the instructions he gave to his engineers were that a 2CV owner should be able to put a basket of eggs in his car and drive to town to the farmers' market on the then-existing country roads without any of the eggs breaking.
@soly-dp-colo6388
@soly-dp-colo6388 9 ай бұрын
French here. We used to say that the only way you could roll a 2CV was when driving it in reverse. Citroën models in this video: 2CV, DS, SM, CX, GS, maybe GSA. Other models produced later: BX in the 80s and 90s (farmers' car, unbelievable), AX, ZX, then XM in the 90s, Xantia, Xsara, Saxo, and then came the end of the hydropneumatic suspension and Citroën cars became really bad, from the 2000s onwards. We're still waiting for them to right this ship and bring their suspension back, but they don't want to.
@jennydonne8946
@jennydonne8946 Жыл бұрын
The Fiat model is a Croma. Citroen's hydropnuematic suspension has to be the best suspension in the world, no matter how much weight you carry, it will always remain at the same height. A trapped gas is the best spring you can have. The Citroen CX is a really amazing car, in the video with the Audi, Mercedes and Fiat is a mk2 CX and the video afterwards is a mk1 CX
@williamyamm8803
@williamyamm8803 Жыл бұрын
Nice ! thanks ! Look at the french Citroën "Traction Avant", the world’s first unibody front-wheel-drive power delivery car. A revolution at that time. Also four-wheel independent suspension. And crash resistant. In fact the first modern mass-production car. Produced from 1934 to 1957. Greeting from France wikipedia : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_Traction_Avant
@chrisperyagh
@chrisperyagh Жыл бұрын
And the 1954 15/6H which was the first Citroen to have hydropneumatic suspension on the rear only.
@gtv_archangel
@gtv_archangel Жыл бұрын
The greatest Citroën ever was something called the Pluriel. Absolute beast 😂
@Chillmax
@Chillmax Жыл бұрын
Haha ;-) I haven't had one, but I actually like the idea, you just have to know it's not going to rain!
@Ben_306
@Ben_306 2 ай бұрын
I drive an old Citroen, people often ask me how I have suspension/comfort that much better than a brand new car. Then the next day a plug somewhere will wiggle loose and it won't start. It's definitely a trade-off, but one that I am happy to make.
@goupil7372
@goupil7372 Жыл бұрын
In France , the cameraman use cx citroen to film the horse race around the stadium because the suspension are very good . At first they used mercedes but it was impossible to film correctly
@Raph06440
@Raph06440 Жыл бұрын
Top Gear 👌😉
@TringmotionCoUk
@TringmotionCoUk Жыл бұрын
The 2CV has a pretty unique suspension as it is interconnected under the floor back to front and uses mass tuned damping
@GeoffDay-t4g
@GeoffDay-t4g 2 ай бұрын
It is brilliant in its engineering genius and simplicity. I reckon this car should be manufactured today with a state of art engine. Would sell well as a great around town car.
@paillave
@paillave Жыл бұрын
as a matter of a fact; the citroen suspensions were so smooth that it made lot of people sea sick. I couldn't count the amount of times during my childhood when I puked after trips in BX, CX, or DS. Driving in such cars is like being on a boat.
@mihaa.7498
@mihaa.7498 Жыл бұрын
As you explore the automotive topics, you are at some point bound to stumble into the Citroen rabbit hole, discovering just how different they really are
@jeanclaude521
@jeanclaude521 Жыл бұрын
The car at 2:17 is a Citroën GS… (1970-1986). At 2:40 it is a Citroën SM Maserati (1970-1975) it had a Maserati V6 engine. At 6:47 it is a Citroën CX 1974-1991). At 10:45 it is still a CX.
@bennyhannover9361
@bennyhannover9361 5 ай бұрын
The CX at 10:45 was driven by Paul Frere at German Telemotor TV series
@StephenButlerOne
@StephenButlerOne Жыл бұрын
Up untill the mid 2000s these old citrons was used to film horseraces in the uk, as they was so smooth to film off. They was only replaced when rail mointed cameras became a thing.
@pakkinen
@pakkinen 7 ай бұрын
When I was a child, my father had a GS, and it was totally different to anything else on the road, inside was even more crazy than the outside. Is the first car I have memories of and I remember waiting to watch the car go down on the suspension after being parked for a while. There were cars and then there was Citroen thinking totally out of the box.
@BertrandNelson-Paris
@BertrandNelson-Paris Жыл бұрын
Hi, recent big fan of your channel from Paris here! The big white Citroën sedan, on track and off-road also in red color at the end of the video is a CX (named after its good Cx, coefficient of penetration in the air, I remember it was the best at its time), it was the top-of-the-range model in the 70s. The other white, with similar front lights and with a station wagon body (we say 'break' in France) is a GS, a mid-range model from the 70s and 80s as well. I saw on KZbin that there are a lot of Citroën fans in Canada who preserve models like the CX along with DS and other older iconic models. If you like the 2CV I recommend looking info for the Méhari version, it uses the same chassis and engine but with an ABS body that you can configure almost like old Land Rovers (folding windscreen, pick-up body with optional rear seats and a plastic tarp and roll bar that you can mount over the front seats and optionnaly on the bed - with just one wrench....) The Méhari was also used by the French army. It's a very collectible, I had one in the 80s when I lived on the Mediterranean coast of France and believe me, no sandy beach and no dunes could stop it! en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_M%C3%A9hari
@chrisadams6595
@chrisadams6595 9 күн бұрын
Fun fact 2 Michelin invented the radial ply tyre for the DS in about 1955. Every other car was on old style cross plies.
@nicobzz1
@nicobzz1 Жыл бұрын
For the 2cv car, the specifications said that the car should travel a field at 50km/h, with a pack of eggs inside the car, and no eggs should broke. Thats why the suspension are so wide
@citroenfan8930
@citroenfan8930 Жыл бұрын
A bit of history - The cars did develope a 'bad' reputation after launch due to a number of reasons - but it bascially boiled down to the availabe materials, specifically rubber, not being up to the actual technoloy of system. If they had waited unit 1962 or so - the vast majority of those problems would never have occured. As to reliability - so long as one kept to the recommended service - greasing, changing fluids, checking suspension spheres etc, the cars were extremely reliable. As to changing out one of the suspension units, the greatest amount of time involved was typically just in lifting the car off the ground with a jack.
@jean-claudemuller3199
@jean-claudemuller3199 Жыл бұрын
The 2CV and similar Dyane, Ami 6, Ami8 have an inertial choc absorber on each wheel. It is a closed cylinder with a floating mass inside it that moves up and down in opposite direction of the wheel. The motion of the mass is controlled by springs on each end and oil that leaks controlled trough holes in the mass. The design of the inertial choc absorber was a huge math duty at a time when computers did not exist.
@FritzPinguin
@FritzPinguin 5 ай бұрын
The model you didn't know at about 28 seconds into the video was a Citroen GS. I had two of these, a fastback and a station wagon. Absolutely great cars, 1300 cc, aircooled, very economical. The GS and GSA also had the famous hydropneumatic suspension. At 1:03 you see the station wagon. (Times are of the original video, not your reaction.) The one at 6:20 is a CX, the follow-up to the DS.
@tribuletrib2497
@tribuletrib2497 Жыл бұрын
Funny stuff about this video is about discovering that there’s many way to make a car and your design, once it’s on, tell a story. Citroen had a way of thinking out of the box and curing no sales corner, you love them or hate them, but they are not the same. Nowadays it seems sad when you look at modern cars when a spreadsheet can tell you which one is better.
@ZIGZAG12345
@ZIGZAG12345 Жыл бұрын
Yep. I was a child in the 1980s and 1990s, the amount of "weird" and "alternative" choices available car-wise was awesome! When Ford and Opel/Vauxhall and in fact most large manufacturers still made "large" (for that time, probably smaller than a modern Mondeo now though) fuel guzzling executive cars. Petrol in UK has always been expensive but it must have been proportionally lower back then too since most cars were petrol and got pretty crap MPG, and yet people still drove them everywhere and you still saw loads of cars with 6 or 8 cylinder engines.
@kaekae4010
@kaekae4010 Жыл бұрын
My family had a 6cv and a BX Turbo. The 6cv was one of the best cars to go on all types of terrain xD very fun and reliable, despite its low power. The BX is simply the best car I have ever traveled in, it was like a spaceship to me. What a childhood I had traveling with them.
@josephguillerey4391
@josephguillerey4391 Жыл бұрын
to hint back to competition, check out Sebastien Loeb: 9 times consecutive rally world champion, all on Citroen
@tmjaspers
@tmjaspers Жыл бұрын
I had a CX like in the video ( the white one ) for four years, it was more like flying then driving. So incredible smooth. You didn't even feel speed bumps. It was a 2.5 liter turbo diesel, top speed 125 mph
@normandiebryant6989
@normandiebryant6989 Жыл бұрын
It's important to note that the Mercedes/Audi/Fiat/Citroen-CX comparison test was conducted by Autotest, the German car magazine. It wasn't a Citroen promotional video.
@pippen0512
@pippen0512 Жыл бұрын
citroen is the farmars car. it was decined to be able to get eggs safly over a feald in speed and not have them cracked. and the same system that made it posible alsow made all the controles more sencetive. in a older modle when you put more then a towe on any pedal you will gett a shock, (break=face inplant, throtle=crash, klutch=emurgensy stop, and wheal= incane g-force) but when they changed moste syctems from hydrolics to elecrik it beceme a pergot (the sister car without hydrolics).+ the hydrolics alowde a anouther featger as well, you can shoose the groundclerance (perfekt fore caravaning or towing or offrode)
@pierreghazarian6087
@pierreghazarian6087 Жыл бұрын
That was for the design of the 2CV
@51StPi
@51StPi Жыл бұрын
Mum’s first car 50 years ago was a GS estate, like the one near the start here, she use to think nothing of opening a gate to a field and driving us down to the river bank and having a picnic, makes a mockery of the X1 she has now.
@bannjaxx
@bannjaxx Жыл бұрын
There was a great ad in the 80s here in the UK where they drove a Citroen between 2 trucks at speed and blew one of the tyres with an explosive to prove it would still drive straight even in a high speed blowout.
@jeanclaude521
@jeanclaude521 Жыл бұрын
The story of Charles de Gaulle's escape from an ambush in 1962 is a famous incident in the history of the Citroën DS. At the time, de Gaulle was the President of France and was on his way to the airport in the Citroën DS that was specially designed for his use. As the presidential motorcade was traveling through the Paris suburb of Petit-Clamart, a group of armed militants opened fire on the cars in an attempt to assassinate de Gaulle. The DS was hit by several bullets and lost a rear wheel, but the driver managed to keep the car under control and continued to drive away from the attackers. The DS's advanced hydropneumatic suspension system allowed the car to continue driving on just three wheels, while the driver used evasive maneuvers to avoid the attackers. The car eventually made it to the safety of the nearby military barracks, where de Gaulle was able to escape unharmed. The incident demonstrated the advanced engineering and safety features of the Citroën DS, which was widely regarded as one of the most innovative and advanced cars of its time. The DS's hydropneumatic suspension system allowed it to continue driving on just three wheels, which was an impressive feat considering the severity of the attack. The story of de Gaulle's escape in the Citroën DS has become a legendary incident in the history of the car and has helped to cement its reputation as an icon of French engineering and design. The DS is still highly regarded by enthusiasts and collectors today, and its legacy continues to inspire new generations of automotive designers and engineers.
@GeoffDay-t4g
@GeoffDay-t4g 2 ай бұрын
From that time on, the French government supported Citroen. It is said they helped Citroen produce the luxury C6 so the President could be transport in French luxury rather than German.
@ptizim
@ptizim Жыл бұрын
The general specifications of the 2CV, Project called TPV (Très Petite Voiture / Very Small Car) started in 1935: "Have your services study a car that can carry two cultivators in clogs, fifty kilos of potatoes or a keg at a maximum speed of 60 km/h for a consumption of three liters of petrol per 100 Km. In addition, this vehicle must be able to pass over the worst paths, it must be light enough to be driven without problems by a novice driver. Its comfort must be impeccable because the baskets of eggs transported in the back must arrive intact. Its price will have to be much lower than that of our Traction Avant. Finally, aesthetics don't matter".
@chrisperyagh
@chrisperyagh Жыл бұрын
EXCELLENT! I'm glad you reviewed this video - note how the 2cv never lifts a single rear wheel even when hard cornering. The next step is for you to get the chance to drive a hydropneumatic (HP) Citroen and I can guarantee you'll enjoy every single mile of it. What you want to set your sights on in these tests are the relation between the bumper or roofline and the fixed roadside or any other fixed horizontal background as a reference to see just how they absorb all the bumps on the road and keep the body of the car horizontal. Another thing you'll want to see is how they maintain the same ground clearance no matter how heavy the load, where normal steel sprung cars will sink down as they have no means to compensate for the extra load. The HP Citroens in this video are the DS, CX, GS (estate/station wagon) and also the SM which was their luxury grand tourer with the complete glass front covering the bank of six headlights and numberplate and with a 2.7 litre V6 Maserati engine (Citroen owned Maserati at the time). The SM's main downfall was the oil crisis in the early '70s. I had a lovely 1986 Citroen CX 25 GTi Turbo 2 (which was exactly a 2.5 litre engine with intercooled turbo) which is like the white 2nd series one in the video that went off road with the suspension on its highest setting. The CX replaced the DS in 1975 - the CX being the first Citroen with a transverse engine. The XM (which replaced the CX in '89 to 2000) was also featured at the end of that video, although you cut it out. I also had two XMs and to be honest, I didn't like them as they were incredibly unreliable with both electronic problems and hydraulic leaks (plus the 3.0 V6 engine's noisy hydraulic tappets and the automatics that slipped when going into 3rd gear), even though they were more practical being hatchbacks and were the last Citroens to have the single spoke steering wheel which was ditched in the 2nd series in the mid '90s with the introduction of airbags (although there was an ugly two spoke steering wheel used on some late 1st series XMs). The XM to me was more style over substance and it felt more German than the big Citroens that came before it as everything seemed to be firm and dare I say, more 'normal' and dumbed down in many respects, rather than being daring like previous models. Sadly the XM was game over for me.
@gotham61
@gotham61 Жыл бұрын
The car @ 2.16 is a GS, the mid sized sedan, and the red car @ 10.40 is a CX, the model that replaced the DS.
@jurekvakva
@jurekvakva Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video! Old Citroens are indeed very rare in the USA. But I somehow managed to drive or be driven in the following old Citroens over there: 2CV, DS, SM, GS, CX and XM. I will also proudly state that I own (and drive regularly) several Citroen models featured in this video: 2CV, CX and several GS-es (plus some other Citroen models). I will keep on driving them forever!
@jacobzimmermann59
@jacobzimmermann59 Жыл бұрын
10:43 is the CX, which was the DS's successor. Reportedly it was called CX because of its aerodynamic shape.
@sirsancti5504
@sirsancti5504 Жыл бұрын
My father drove a 2cv as a work-car, in late 70's/80's. He says it was absolutely great. The only problem for him was to change a tire: he says that he thought the wheel would only lift once the car tumbles.. But no, it's just a crazy angle needed.
@panchomcsporran2083
@panchomcsporran2083 5 ай бұрын
They were thought to be unable to tip over. There was a competition, if you could tip it over you won the car, until someone worked out, doing a reverse j-turn would be able to tip it.
@Higgens26
@Higgens26 Жыл бұрын
Le luxe a la Française ;) la DS était même capable de rouler sur trois roues seulement, personnellement, je trouve la majorité des Citroën moche, mais, elle sont fascinantes et magnifiques technologiquement ;)
@obelic71
@obelic71 Жыл бұрын
Did you notice in the breaktest that the Citroën did NOT brake in the wet? There is a good reason for it. The hydropneumatic system on 4 disc brakes is like having the breaking capacity of a freighttrain onboard On wet and icy roads it is a very very very tricky thing without ABS. You have to ride the brakes in those conditions to mimic a sort of ABS. I had an accident in a Citroën BX on an icy road. I just plowed straith into another car like a missle. Steering and breaking to avoid the collision was uter useless
@trespire
@trespire Жыл бұрын
I have a CX25 GTI. It rides over speed bumps like they're not there, yet will corner and stop better than a Porsche. That test is called the moose test. Citroën had great success in the Monte Carlo rally, and the Marrocan Rally or Rallye du Maroc.
@ralpssss
@ralpssss Жыл бұрын
My ute is a crude Citroen; 1. Oxy heat & bend out of the way the bottom stiff leaf & swapped shock for rear of Aust. Ford station wagon (double acting).. & not compromised for 1 ton that I never carry. 2. Add air bags BUT connect them to an air tank (about 20 litres) gives soft rate (like Citroen). 3. Soft rate means a smallish load will bottom out the suspension SO air pump brings up the correct ride height. 4. Ride is a constant buzz & handles far better (drives like a car rather than a truck). 5. The stiff front end as a result is less harsh....
@davidtatelo
@davidtatelo Жыл бұрын
My dad bought a brand new CX 2.5 diesel in 1990; it was as expensive as a basic Mercedes back then here. Had everything, climate control and all. He sold it with 507.000km, never had a problem. Later had a Audi A6 V6 etc etc. And always kept saying no matter what the car was "this car is not as good as the CX". PD.- Was just as the white one compared to the others in the video, but grey. And yes, we did take it off road too to go pick mushroms and stuff.
@johncrofts4393
@johncrofts4393 Жыл бұрын
Every year, there is a 24 hour endurance race for 2CVs at Snetterton race track in Norfolk. Fast and furious racing.
@IwillBwaiting
@IwillBwaiting Жыл бұрын
Told you; if you had the balls, these cars would go around corners the fastest. Most didn't dare though.
@seijika46
@seijika46 6 ай бұрын
The advantage with the 2CV was that, even if it did fall over, it was tough yet light enough that if you got some help - you could just shove it back up and drive away.
@ivanriverooo
@ivanriverooo Жыл бұрын
A guy here in our hometown held a competition. Full betting pot for anyone able to roll over his CITROEN 2CV / DIANNE. Entry fee was 50$. He is one of the richest guys in town ever since.
@christopheambroise9220
@christopheambroise9220 Жыл бұрын
this is the private racetrack of michelin in france in the village of cebazat near clermont-ferrand ! in this time , michelin was the owner of citroen .
@PetrvonBrunthal
@PetrvonBrunthal Жыл бұрын
I am owned Citren xantia before, and his hidraulic suspensions is famous. Really luxury drive.
@pierauspitz
@pierauspitz Жыл бұрын
The car at 2:24 and 4:21 is the GS, and it represented the mid-range of Citroën in the 70's. While it was powered by an air-cooled flat-4 that was pretty reliable (although some models received double rotor wankel engines), it received a lot of the refinements, such as the hydraulic suspension from the DS, disc brakes, aerodynamically studied shape, curved windows and "crash certification", but at an affordable price. But the hydro-pneumatic system was quite finicky, and reliability suffered somewhat (I remember having to use my 2cv to "rescue" a friend of mine whose GS's hydraulic line gave up and was sitting in its own puddle of LHM ;) ) Also, let's not forget than for "hugging the road" characteristic, one must not forget that Citroen of the golden years was owned by Michelin (what better strategy to sell tires than sell car first eh? ). The engineers of both companies worked hand in hand to make the best of everything. Hydropneumatic suspensions on Radial tyres were a Citroen-Michelin thing, and what a revolution it was in the 50's-60's! Even on the 2cv, the best and longer-lasting tires still are the original Michelin ZX, still produced 60 years on. As you say: There are cars, and then there is Citroen.
@gladiusthrax4941
@gladiusthrax4941 Жыл бұрын
I am actually thinking of buying a used car for my holiday house in Bulgaria and after this much exposure to Citroen lately, I might get a C5 from around 2015. I have driven an older C5 which was really sublime, so I am hoping the newer one would be a significant improvement. It would be a very nice brand to add to my "have owned list". I think that everybody should drive a Citroen at least once
@torbendk2777
@torbendk2777 Жыл бұрын
yes if you newer owned one, you never understand 🤗
@PedroConejo1939
@PedroConejo1939 Жыл бұрын
The later C5 - referred to as the X7 in Citroën circles - has better features but is not very much different in the ride. I've owned both.
@seorsamaclately4294
@seorsamaclately4294 Жыл бұрын
@@PedroConejo1939 me too. I still miss them.
@GoldenCroc
@GoldenCroc Жыл бұрын
The newer the citroen, the firmer the suspension, generally. That might be to your liking, or it might not. For some purists, they think its been downhill on that front since the DS.
@trespire
@trespire Жыл бұрын
You are better off with the first series C5. The second series has some problems with the automatic gear box, from BMW I think.
@defassocorp.6239
@defassocorp.6239 Жыл бұрын
And the SM, the GS, the BX, the Xantia, the XM... and all luxury modern cars...
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