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Wing Chun Kung Fu taught by Retired Police Officer and Tactics Expert, Dominick Izzo.
Dominick Izzo has been training Wing Chun since 1998 and has been teaching in the Chicago area since 2008. He was the first American Wing Chun instructor to be published and published in back to back issues in Wing Chun Illustrated.
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[@wingchunnaumov]

I am the person on your video that you commented about, Sifu Lazo Naumov. This has made my day, to see the person that I follow and watch on the regular on youtube comment and make a video about me. First off I would like to thank you for taking the time to actually watch my videos and give your take on them I truly appreciate it a lot. My goal is for people to be healthy and to know how to defend themselves. I would like to share something about me and what these videos that I post so far are all about I have been practicing GM William Cheung line since way back in 1990 and have a master's degree. In my address to the public with these short techniques of mine, I want to introduce them to real self-defense situations using Wing Chun techniques, but since I do not want to cause any harm on my students without them wearing safe guards I cannot perform the technique completely correctly. If my sparring partner had full protective gear like a head helmet, shield or body vest then one would see the superiority of these techniques or the full speed and efficiency possessed by Wing Chun from the William Cheung line because I in my 30 year police career I found myself in situations where I used Wing Chun and I was never overpowered and against people with a knife, baseball bat, axes or people who were in an emotional situation. I have trained many of my colleagues from the security forces of Macedonia and they accepted these techniques well, which were then useful to them in the course of their work. In the future I will show real demonstration techniques where the full effect will be seen that these Wing Chun techniques are very good for self defense. For now thank you dear friend Izzo, I regularly follow you on youtube you have wonderful videos and I see that you have a lot of knowledge of Wing Chun, but before giving a conclusion about my demonstrated techniques for these 7 months I just want you all to know that this is only for beginners and for me to show more love towards Wing Chun as a martial art because I have been practicing it all my life and it is in my blood and I will never give it up. Greetings to all Wing Chun followers in the world! Greetings from me Sifu Lazo Naumov. For more realistic techniques expect me soon, thanks again for your huge support!

[@IzzoWingChun]

Appreciate your response and all the best to you.

[@hapkido658]

​@@IzzoWingChun people need to stop doing your McDojo martial art Wing Chun, period! And you, you need to shut your mouth, Wing Chun is bullshit and so are you!

[@hapkido658]

​@@IzzoWingChunif your gay boyfriend Steven touches hands with me, he gets hurt, period!

[@IzzoWingChun]

if he jumps on your back, will you beat him off?@@hapkido658

[@briandunne2153]

Bring it on hapkido 658 careful what you wish for. You might be the new bitch don't forget the knee pads

[@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812]

Fun fact Donnie never practiced wing chun until the first ip man movie(but he did spend a while with it on his own in addition to a good 6 months of being taught wing Chun by ip Chun. ) Its also good to know that Donnie really is an extremely skilled martial artist, however majority of real fighting doesn't look good on camera . He can absolutely kick wholesale ass tho. Jackie Chan is the only action star who legitimately "knows" wing Chun tho.

[@MrCBTman]

I believe (unlike what some people say) that many of the famous action stars can actually fight, but I feel like people overlook Jackie in that conversation. Powerful, fast, creative, perfect technique, and obviously completely fucking fearless. Facing punches and kicks is nothing compared to leaping off a building to catch a rope ladder hanging from a helicopter! Plus, both Benny Urquidez and Michael Jai White thought he could really throw down.

[@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812]

@@MrCBTman oh yeah Jackie is the most legit of them all, 💯 percent. Being why he was actually Bruce's favorite stand in/stuntman etc , because he was a very good fighter/he was okay with you actually hitting him lol

[@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812]

@@MrCBTman but yes a lot of action stars are really well trained martial artist, and many of those are very excellent fighters

[@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812]

@@MrCBTman and Jackie practices/was taught very legit "martial arts" in one of the biggest /historically well known martial arts schools in china. (Plus he also knows like karate and judo and all kinda other shit he's learned over the years)

[@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812]

@@MrCBTman but now just think that Jackie Chan said Bruce Lee's kicks were too fast to see . (And he also had no problem putting his foot in the face of people like Joe Lewis and chuck Norris. )

[@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812]

Oh and Donnie's actual teacher is sammo hung (someone who did actually fight Bruce Lee, he lost, but sammo himself had a pretty solid reputation as a nearly "untouchable" martial artist long before then)

[@samdelossantos2864]

The problem with martial arts is that the conditioning comes before learning to punch and kick. Why do you think Bruce Lee was able to do pushups on his fingers and knock people out with 1 punch? If your training consists of eating McDonald's and watching MMA videos, you're not gonna have a chance. Before you challenge someone make sure you can run a mile and not be dying at the end.

[@EnsoGhisonisuccessgateway]

Been seeing that kind of crap for years now.When these Sifus are asked why they dont feel embarrassed their answer is either they "dont care what people think" or ask "whats wrong with it" 😂

[@advoempower]

Also strange is that even though these are demo drills... notice that he cocks back before intercepting.... giving the opponent even more time to get their strike in.

[@ultmast]

More than 20 years ago I used to attend the AWTO seminars in the US when Emin Boztepe was still part of that org. We would have William Cheung students come to our seminars to check out Boztepe, and he would make a special point to show them (to put it politely) the flaws in how they approached the principles and techniques. I always remember that the one totally bizarre thing they would do was *actively* bong sau as a sort of block of a punch. Boztepe would ask these guys to come up, and then tell them to use that bong sau to stop his punch. He would feint the punch, they would turn and bong sau the air, and he'd whack them. They always left the seminars with a look on their face somewhere between "just informed Santa wasn't real" and "you drowned my puppy". It wasn't just that their stuff didn't work, they'd also now seen WC that did. Could be coincidence, could be we just saw students that weren't any good, but some of these guys were higher level, and it wasn't just technique, it was not understanding WC principles, so I've tried to steer away from "Traditional Wing Chun".

[@2gpowell]

Enjoyed the video. Keem them coming Izzo !

[@briandunne2153]

I saw aGM William Cheung several times when he's at his peak he was the real deal. I learnt under the GM WSL lineage many years ago i recently started again there is No WSL lineage so im learning from Sifu Rick Spain from the William Cheung lineage he was more than good enough in his day to slug it out with Benny the jet who i saw knockout people that never had to raise sweat before fighting. Sifu also. Teach's some BJJ to allow for ring fighting to compensate for the reduction of Wing Chun thats allowed. The techniques are exactly the same applied in learn a bit different but in WC you are supposed to be fluid in fighting. If you want to see bad WC being taught visit Australia not all but some

[@xhaozhao]

Same here. Rick Spain is my Si Bak and we used to train in ground fighting and plenty of sparring and conditioning. Not sure what Izzo thinks about it.

[@briandunne2153]

I learned WSL lineage WC it was Chi Sau drills single and double always got hit for incorrect technique the active including legs and that flowed into sparring where not always in contact of opponent and you got hit. Westerners are soft and lazy that is why non contact martial arts are taught the teacher keeps his income the student gets flogged in his first confrontation because he doesn't know how to hit or be hit. I'm 66 long time no WC.WSL not available in Sydney I now learn from Sifu Rick Spain who I only knew little about but only good. My former Sifu also spoke and taught WC generally Anyone who doubts GM William Cheung's ability his fighting reputation in Hong Kong is proven. I saw him several times in my early 2os snap chopsticks in his throat and use of the swords a man not to be reckoned with

[@magvs_mæstro216]

Lol I was just watching the seen of ip man fighting on the circular tabletop, like 5min ago

[@Saranicholsmedia]

Great video, Dom.

[@anti1training]

Stepping back is okay in a fight. It depends on why you're doing it. Being aware of the set up

[@ivanzu2069]

When I first started training in wing chun it was in William Cheung's style. Even though I was a noob I had many doubts about its effectiveness. Luckily I was only there for a few months and then I found a proper school that was in the Wong Shun Leung lineage; and luckily, it was David Peterson's old school which was run by his students. Once I got into it, there was a noticible world of difference between WSL wing chun vs William Cheung wing chun. Imo 'traditional' wing chun is just pure nonsense.

[@ichimarugin1995]

Even WSL lineage is traditional. The only modern wing tsun is Leung Ting Lineage and even more modern is Kernspecht lineage (based on LT lineage). Just go try. A complete other world.

[@ivanzu2069]

​@@ichimarugin1995it's not about what style is "traditional" or what's "modified" but rather what works. I don't care what you call your wing chun - as long as it is simple, direct, and efficient.

[@ichimarugin1995]

@@ivanzu2069 :) it was just to point out that yours is also traditional despite you saying that traditional is nonsense. nothing more. :)

[@ninjanix7288]

😆🤣🔥🔥 love it Izzo💥👊🏻

[@craigfrazier1295]

Where can I find good Wing Chun in St. Louis?

[@ShaolinkungfubyRadek]

The problem with most wing chun practitioners (or kung fu in general) is that they apply techniques too literally. Secondly, there are too few sparring exercises (not necessarily full ones), during which one can verify one's skills and analyse various moves and how they are performed and applied. Adepts stick too rigidly to the movements they have learnt and cannot adapt them to changing situations in combat or sparring. As is the case in boxing or MMA. Fortunately, I am increasingly observing that some of them are beginning to recognise their shortcomings and are working on perfecting their movement behaviour for the fight. But I think that in the case of kung fu there is still a long way to go to return to "martial art" as fighting.

[@nonanon666]

Yes and no? I think it might have been a much younger @IzzoWingChun who did an excellent video on modifying your technique to fit the fight, specifically the dangers of leaning forward to force a block or strike to contact the opponent. You see it all the time; people bend forward at the waist, or use a shallower arm angle, to force a quan-sao or garn-sao to make contact. If your opponent has missed, or misjudged distance and fallen short of you, why on earth would you modify your technique to make contact? If your opponent's low strike hasn't reached your abdomen, hasn't even reached your block, that's great! Just stand there for a moment in your quan-sao hero pose unharmed like you're doing forms, and step forward with your own strike. Even worse is to lean forward at the waist to force your strike to make contact. If your strike falls short, move forward, adjust your range, and fire a new strike from a correct distance. There's a reason all the movements have very specific angles and paths, deviating from them is to suggest you know better than previous generations of Sifu and Sigung, and next thing you know you're doing flying kicks and backfists and calling your own style JKD...

[@ObsidianDBrattaHouseNightwinge]

I have been fighting in William Cheung style since 1994. Some can fight, and some can not. It's not worthless and i never lost a fight. You should collaborate with Master Mazza of NJ or Shanon Moore of MD. Both respectful teachers teach real fighting.

[@Flexarot]

Agreed, I have a little over 2 years and there is an amazing Sifu here in Michigan who adapts and changes things as he sees fit as well.

[@sergiochacon509]

Izzo,I have a question ❓, I do I know if it's real Wing Chun kung Fu,

[@xhaozhao]

I train in William Cheung lineage. I think a lot of hate is against GM William Cheung rather than the style itself. In the end it’s still a WC lineage as authentic as any and whether it works for you or not just try it.

[@billmurray7676]

Nah, the style is garbage. Basically they do knitting with their hands. I'm sure it's fun though.

[@ivanzu2069]

The William Cheung lineage is a watered down, ineffective style of Wing Chun. When you compare it to other styles you can see where it falls short, and it falls short all over the place. I speak from my own experience when I say Cheung's style is a bad martial art, having trained in it for a while, and then having trained in the Wong Shun Leung style - there was a world of difference. For one, the footwork is at kindergarten level compared to Wong Shun Leung's style. I can go on.

[@ultmast]

​@@ivanzu2069 it's always seemed to me that "success" with William Cheung lineage is a handful of fighters making it work in *spite* of it, vs some other lineages where people who aren't already fighters have a chance at being able to fight. Also, working with William Cheung guys, the principles never seemed to be there; it felt like the whole thing was built from someone looking at photos of WC techniques and then working backwards to try to figure out what they might be used for.

[@xhaozhao]

@@ivanzu2069 Fair enough. I’ve only trained in the Cheung Lineage. I’ve met some WSL and Macau Wing Chun guys and they both seem to share your attitude as well about the Cheung lineage. We did a few soft sparring and both explained respectively: WSL style more the aggressive style and more infighting and disrupting balance. The Macau style was more rigid but more effective on counterpunching. Both guys were good and they kindly gave compliments to me for sharing with them and vice-versa. I think what happened that day was just to show although we are lineages, we can all appreciate each other as fellow WC practitioners without any prejudice.

[@xhaozhao]

@@ultmast One thing I agree with you is Cheung lineage principles are basic compared to other lineages. Not too drill-based as well: we focus more emphasis on sparring and conditioning.

[@CallousCarter]

Mr Izzo, I'm a long term Wing Chun critic (as you might remember) but I've recently been playing around with some hand trapping sequences as an entry into the clinch for strikers and it's working really well in my Gym at our level (1 pro, 1 semi pro, several amateurs all with winning records). I'm starting to think the chain punch might be at the heart of a lot of Wing Chun's issues or rather making the chain punch the heart of a Wing Chun practitioners offense might cause a lot of issues. Does that make any sense to you as a more experienced Wing Chun man?

[@MrCBTman]

As Adam Cham says, “A martial art is a tree. A tree is not a table or a chair.” Wing Chun, like any art, has to be modified for a particular purpose such as combat sports, physical fitness, or looking beautiful in movies. Each of these are legit arts, just different & meant for different purposes.

[@mattpatterson9128]

Same thing with Bruce Lee's Movies, Fantasy, all Fantasy. Bruce was a movie star, people were never suppose to mark his face. I do like Donnie Yen's movies. Entertainment.

[@davefletch3063]

I like Donnie Yen. He has good movement in his depictions of various styles

[@wttao39]

😂😅....You don't have the slightest idea you ignorant "expert" about Bruce Lee's skills and abilities in real life.... You "Knowledge" you have on Lee is only from his movies you referred to.... Anyone know abit of martial arts training and movement CAN understand how superior Lee was on his time compared with other martial arts practitioners or combative sports fighters.... Only you and some other guys crying continually about Bruce Lee the actor.... Deep down you want him to be an actor because it's easier to devalue him..... Professional full contact fighters like Joe Lewis and Mike Stone were under Lee's advisement to improve their combat efficiency.... Same deal Bob Wall and others.... Do you think these people would go to an Actor for fighting training and tactics just for the fun of it OR they Tested him first....? Being incapacitated by Lee creates a strong motivation to learn something from a man who didn't expect to be so capable and skillful! So in the future before open your mouth through up BS do your homework first.....

[@MrCBTman]

Bruce Lee was also a master of the martial arts and the founder of a great style that endures.

[@greecostyler]

Can you analysis florian dau from flo fight and fitness he was once a door bouncer in hamburg germany. he is doing wing chun and aikijitsu. or ahmed kaydul from pfs. Most of all his techniques are wing chun from Paul vunak

[@nonanon666]

I'm not offended at all, because I'd rather hear a harsh truth than a sugar-coated lie. I would however be really interested to see a full breakdown where you and a Sifu from the Cheung lineage - which is my lineage - discuss the fundamental differences and demonstrate application of those differences. Also, despite being from the Cheung lineage, I am also scratching my head wondering what the hell that quan sao is supposed to be. I was taught quan sao as an overlapping tan sao and garn sao, forming half of an "X", so I am as confused by that as you are. I love your content, despite the emotional damage on this occasion, lol.

[@billymac29]

It was a pak sao and fut sao. Possibly a pak gaun sao.

[@ObsidianDBrattaHouseNightwinge]

It's pak/fut. It's 3rd set on wooden dummy.

[@nonanon666]

Cheers. It's been a while (20 years), once upon a time I would have recognised the fut-sao for what it was despite being somewhat different from how we trained it. Always interesting to see the subtle variations on wrist and forearm angle across different lineages and schools.

[@mider9996]

I’ve noticed after a few years that most so called experts can’t look at videos and explain the nuances of technique, stance, pressure. Even boxers, Muay Thai guys can tell.

[@adam28171]

I think Ironman RDJ trains in William C lineage😮

[@skyphoenix]

😢

[@adamwoodman4477]

It’s a fut sao not a Quan sao

[@blockmasterscott]

To be fair, this applies to any form of fighting in movies. Real life and authentic =boring ass movie.

[@KungFu_Dean78]

I remember the late Derek Jones, Mind Body and Spirit was a Student under; Victor Kan for Eleven according to what I have read about him and his fellow, WC brothers he went off and Studied under William Chung. But as those who knew The late Derek Jones said he was a real Bad Ass. But I agree with the statement not just about wing chun but those Kung Fu Instructors who teach Traditional Kung Fu? And Sparring is not a part of their Repertoire! And I have come across a number of Kung Fu or I should say:" so called masters" who teaches the students Forms and drills but no Applications and zero sparring. And it's a shame as that is why people are turning to ; MMA, BJJ and Or Some will say that the only practical manifest of traditional Chinese Kung Fu is Sanda formly known as Sanshou which is a Hybrid and it's been tried and tested, as you must do because? You need to know what works in your system and the other techniques that are totally Frivless and a waste of time and I remember Joe Rogan discrediting Kung Fu! In one of his Podcasts many moons ago, But keep on representing Sifu Izzo, stay blessed.✌🏾

[@paksau1]

I am from the W Cheung lineage and all you said about it doesn't offend. It's your opinion but I still think you have a lot of insight to share with people from the community. Earlier you told me to GFMS when I cracked jokes about your bench lifts because I don't know you at all.... understandable. Well, now you state that W. Cheung lineage is garbage without full contact sparring the ones I know on the east coast and have met that fought in the ring. Not that you wouldn't be better but they are respectable fighters. I get the Bullshido mess that's out there in Chun....I don't get all in my feelings....I will continue to listen to you because you have great content. Not here to try to change whatever direction you stand on.....Only saying as far as I know you on YT you're a hypocrite Sir But you still get a thumbs up from me.... because I do believe you are trying to keep WC alive and current!

[@assoverteakettle]

There is politics in every branch of martial arts about "My style is the real style. The rest is garbage" but nowhere do you see that more than JKD and, ironically, wing chun. Why is that? The proliferation of the style? In BJJ, it is pretty much accepted that, even in the same school where five guys will start as white belts together, that by the time they would become a purple belt each will have gravitated to certain techniques, develop their own style (top player, de la Riva player, half guard player, etc), gain their own insight and experiences through competition and training, and may teach it differently when they become instructors. And none of them are wrong. This has been the quick history of BJJ development. Same as in boxing, or muay Thai. Same coach, same club but each student will develop their own unique style. But in wing chun, everyone claims to have lineage and yet people are quick to turn and dump on another stylist's approach as if wing chun is totally static, standardized and has no room for personal interpretation. Is it that wing chun has a very unique and often toxic culture which will eventually lead to its obsolescence?

[@zman4116]

@@assoverteakettleI agree in essence with what you say. I have over thirty years in WC and almost quit due to politics. From my perspective it stems from several issues. First that some have vested interests, whether that be business or cultural. From my personal experience Chinese living in the West seem to think that promising one thing and delivering another is their prerogative. However, travel to HK and the attitude seems very different. Then there are the ex karate people who found that WC was marketable, possibly took some classes and more likely read a few books. Combined, much of WC has been watered down or taught as some exclusive style ie: WSL, VT or perhaps Traditional. Lastly I grow tired of the, you have to spar nonsense. Sparring can have its place so long as its approached in a manner that develops WC skill and not just jumping about like a third rate boxer, otherwise go and train boxing. For those with experience in the ring know that sparring can develop good and bad habits. Its not just a matter of ‘sparring’ you should have a purpose.

[@xhaozhao]

@@zman4116If Wing Chun became a sport tomorrow with rules and regulations as a competitive sport, then we will start to drift our focus away from “lineages” and start focussing on the fighters or athletes.

[@paksau1]

@@zman4116 I agree 👍🏿 with you Sir. I was speaking on sparring or fighting as Izzo states in his language....he "Touched hands with some TWC person and they were garbage. Otherwise you are correct, martial Brutha.

[@billmurray7676]

Traditional Wing Chun © is good for demonstration? that's a new one, I think it doesn't even look good. Maybe it's good as gymnastics for the elderly?

[@briandunne2153]

Why don't you step outside against one then

[@d3mist0clesgee12]

lol, right,

[@drakejackson3259]

Put some respect on Master Naumov's name... I showed this video to him and he is very angry right now.

[@briandunne2153]

Fight fight fight it's on

[@ultmast]

If he's angry, it should be at his own complacence. I can't speak to how he might be in person, but his *video* content outlined in Izzo's video above is stuff that will get your ass beat by other lineages, other arts, and in real fights.

[@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812]

But yes it does pain me to see idiots trying to use training exercises/practice stances for fighting lol

[@glennr2358]

Yeh, that was pretty ordinary stuff.

[@foodeat2000]

Wing Chun as a whole is neglectable and a disaster in all of its forms. Worst striking out of all popular martial arts.

[@WingZeroDuality]

Lol

[@peposo7]

Will Cheung worst than Leung ting?

[@PazCristo]

Leo au Yeung's