J Cole FINALLY RESPONDS..

/ shawncee

[@120nsb]

Saying TPAB put ppl to sleep when you had meme runs about your albums being the cure for insomnia for at least 3 albums straight is crazy.

[@Satsuionly]

4 albums in 12 years…😅 Like we dictating when grown man drop. 🤭😭

[@thescooterbrown]

​@Satsuionly Knowing DAMN. Well that in his supposed "peak", he ain't making anything on the level of GKMC or TPAB. Cole should sit this one out and fold some clothes

[@jadenuniverse9541]

@@thescooterbrownyou niggas overate Kendrick , Cole the secret weapon he just saying how he feels if we being honest they can both be boring sometimes but don’t act like it’s a big difference

[@xx231zz8]

I bet u be saying uu is better than all Cole's projects too

[@dabs.47]

@@xx231zz8it is

[@Nerd-gasm]

You can tell Shawn thinks Kendrick is better in this Cole and kendrick debate but you can’t deny the fact that he’s one of the most objective reviewers on these conversations. Thank you Shawn

[@RAPOLOGIST]

True! Also, being objective doesn't mean that you can't say one is better than the other.. I mean even if you look at them objectively, one artist is clearly better!

[@cristiano1546852]

Objective? The man loathes cole lol

[@thisfooreallysaid]

How can you be an objective reviewer? Isn’t the point of a review to say your own opinion on a subject.

[@oo-sb7sf]

@@cristiano1546852 no he dont 💀

[@ronathan02]

@@thisfooreallysaid you can not enjoy something and still acknowledge its quality, that’s called being objective. Not everything is about opinion

[@cantrip5849]

i think people riding hard for either side are corny. BUT saying TPAB is a snooze is WILD. Cole on that second beat was nice. excited to hear both of them really let it go

[@leeb5112]

yea fs, cole came with the right energy but some of the bars here were wild and felt like grasping at straws. as a song it is hard tho.

[@Z4NKA1]

No one listens to tpab. You would get kicked out the car for playing anything on it and it’s his least played album yet all his fans swear it’s his best despite never listening to it 😂

[@AJ-nh9qm]

@@Z4NKA1 Drake not gon let u hit bro

[@cantrip5849]

@@Z4NKA1 if you kicking mfs out your car for playing TPAB we're not playing the same game when it comes to music. and thats fine like what you like. but that album is one of the greatest rap albums of all time im sorry

[@cantrip5849]

@@leeb5112 dude has one of the best voices in hip hop the whole album is pretty nice

[@DatDaDatty]

the irony of cole calling kendrick discography boring 😂

[@imanigordon6803]

Not his whole album but TPAB and MMATBS definitely had sleepers

[@arendiaz3788]

​@@imanigordon6803every Album has sleepers fr

[@capdanhavoc4364]

I don’t understand the hype

[@Z4NKA1]

They both boring 😂 no one listens to Kendrick or Cole in real life most of their praise comes from the internet. Drake is levels above both

[@bruh......2005]

​@@Z4NKA1 just say you don't go outside, it's fine. Also Drake being better then both is a crazy take

[@PopularNobody]

Mr. Morale and the big steppers was incredible. It's for black men getting mentally/spiritually healthy in an environment that's toxic and negative. It's not for everyone to get and that's fun.

[@MavvyMaloneTV]

I’m guessing Drake and Cole both being half white’s the reason why they just don’t get it 😂😂

[@JaredSalahuddin]

@@MavvyMaloneTVnah we just rather listen to Drake. Mr morale is a good well written album, but the replay value is easily Kendrick’s worse

[@LDH777]

I'm white, and this album still spoke to me loads especially since Im a young husband and father. Obviously can't relate to a lot of the specifics, but I never listened to Kendrick, or music at large for relatability. What got my invested in Kendrick was a video speaking on the subversive writing on Swimming Pools as an anti drinking song disguised as a drinking song. I'd never encountered something like that before and since then Kendrick always had my ear.

[@kelvinsekwati4016]

MMNTBS is an album that will age like wine as it is an album you need to listen to when ready.

[@tammo401]

@@MavvyMaloneTV not really would say it's far more the fact they haven't grown in 12 years.

[@zuzumore9670]

Coming back to this after J Cole said sorry.

[@Alvonaimah]

Sickening stuff

[@110metsfan]

A lot Cole’s bars were what niggas say on Twitter about Kendrick… they were reaches… however, I’m happy he responded

[@qeo2374]

He just set himself up for murder lol kendrick obviously wanted a answer, man's probably got response tracks already finished 😂

[@Two-ToneMoonStone]

Yeah this is all gen z twitter takes and its a little sad that Cole had to go there.

[@overaxel9498]

@@Two-ToneMoonStone the crazy thing is those dudes from twitter transferred over to yt

[@meowphantom5725]

It’s the first round let them cook

[@bluesyace9564]

and Kendrick's bars weren't even disses so wtf are you talking about "I crash out like fuck rap, diss mellie mell if I had to" like ok?? ig you're eminem now??? "if he walk around with a stick, it ain't andre 3k", yes kendrick, he's J Cole, he's not 3k, great he can identify people, what a great diss

[@funkyowl4629]

As people grow up they will appreciate Mr. morale, and the big steppers. Sometimes you gotta live life before you’re ready for the messages some artist put out there

[@Kurokyura]

Hurd u unc

[@arendiaz3788]

It's the hood version of pink Floyd's "The Wall"

[@110metsfan]

Agreed, alot of ppl probably not in a place to take that album in

[@ianmig]

​@@HuckleberryGin Yeah, but if you're J. Cole is kinda hypocritical to criticize MMATBS

[@Two-ToneMoonStone]

100%, it feels like an album made for people who are ABOUT to turn 30, not for someone in their 20's if that makes any sense

[@samdeacon8904]

j cole is my name rapping is my game! ahh album

[@thickboyenergy4523]

I could not have said it better 🤣

[@arendiaz3788]

😂😂 every Cole album ever

[@BlowTorchDrizy1]

the only good songs in there was the one with Daylyt and Ab Soul and 3001

[@iangarcia1585]

​@@BlowTorchDrizy1and Hunting Wabbitz

[@matrixofleadership]

@@BlowTorchDrizy1 ready 24 was good too. Love the soul production

[@marsrover5898]

cole said “if he wasn’t dissing then we wouldn’t be discussing him” as if cole wasn’t the one who put kdot in the top 3 line off first person shooter, he a lil slow.

[@precieux6303]

FPS wasn't a hit because Cole namedropped Kdot. Whereas Like That became a hit because Kdot came after Drake.

[@marsrover5898]

@@precieux6303that doesn’t change the fact that cole is completely wrong, when isn’t hip hop discussing kendrick? the dude spent all of last year headlining the biggest festivals in the world lol he gotta try harder

[@precieux6303]

@@marsrover5898 I agree with you to sum extent, the "fell off" bar was total bs. But we can't lie, and act like the song would be #1 if the verse wasn't about what it's about.

[@marsrover5898]

@@precieux6303 i agree with you, the diss took it over the top but the verse was hard and had real energy. we not gon see lebron rapping this cole song lol

[@arendiaz3788]

@@marsrover5898 Real as f😂

[@c.3514]

Attacking Kendrick’s discography is literally the dumbest approach and I love Cole man but that’s the wrong angle especially saying tpab putting people to sleep like that just makes him look crazy, it was alright but for Cole’s standard I would’ve expected so much better so it’s kinda disappointing

[@roryfahy4568]

​​@@Abdullah-vg1ucbrotha gotta be a troll. People can't and I say this again CAN'T be stupid enuf to fall for this 😂😂? great MC like jcole💀💀💀

[@LongLiveQuizzo]

@@Abdullah-vg1ucyou sound crazy my G. Snorting sum, wipe your nose.

[@olblue3478]

Shit wasn't great....white people gassed it cos its about being black and shit... As a musical piece of art it was meh

[@OfficialSt1no]

Don't forget tpab goes against 4YE that diss applies more to j cole

[@kenouo2024]

Cole has more classics than Kendrick

[@matrixofleadership]

J Cole lying about TPAB being boring lol it’s hard to find legitimate reasons to diss Kendrick

[@huncho7926]

wdym, plenty of people find that album boring in real life lmao

[@matrixofleadership]

@@huncho7926 And on the other hand, majority of people including myself consider that to be one of the greatest albums of all time. Point is though that an album like that is made for people like J Cole, he was definitely rocking w/ it

[@huncho7926]

@@matrixofleadership i don’t know about a majority, but my point is its a common take so I wouldn’t say he’s ‘lying’ when something like that is subjective anyway

[@matrixofleadership]

@@huncho7926 I get that but what I said about J Cole overrules your point of ‘common opinion’ of multiple peoples. If you understand the type of person J Cole is and where he comes from, he would undoubtedly appreciate an album like TPAB. There’s too much relatability and value there for him not to acknowledge, he not 💤

[@IMMORTALfrostbite]

I think Cole is referring to Section.80 as his second shit put people to sleep but they gassed it. On most DSPs, K Dot’s first album is Overly Dedicated

[@rrrey4448]

The boy who has a song about folding clothes saying Kendrick music makes you sleepy??? Man, cmon

[@Z4NKA1]

They’re both sleepy. Drake dogs both of them

[@justchrisgaming173]

@Z4NKA1 you sound like a straight goofy

[@scumganz]

@@Z4NKA1💀

[@Spiritualguyyy]

@@Z4NKA1lmao delusional. He’s not even in the same bracket lyrically.

[@BlooBoi23]

@@Z4NKA1first of all pause, second stop trolling

[@iangarcia1585]

I wasn't crazy with Kendrick "Like that" verse, but Cole somehow made a more mid and weak response, and you can tell he was coping hard by trying to make a corny argument that Kendrick's discography is weak and TPAB was a snoozefest which is absolutely delusional Imao

[@Z4NKA1]

Tpab was a snooze fest but I agree neither of their verses were good

[@iangarcia1585]

@@Z4NKA1 🤣🤣🤣😐😐😐

[@fisheatsyourhead]

​@@Z4NKA1how you got beethoven in your profile and still know nothing about music

[@Z4NKA1]

@@iangarcia1585 be honest, do you have any tpab songs on your playlist?

[@LucinaMeow]

​@Z4NKA1 I do yeah. Put in some hearing aids to get your ears right.

[@overlord6815]

I don't really think Cole believes what he's saying about Kendrick's albums. I'm not saying they are the same artist, but they are similar and make music about similar topics. It doesn't make sense that the man that made 4 Your Eyes Only and Born Sinner would turn around and disrespect a TPAB or a Mr. Morale. Both of those albums seem in line with what someone like Cole would appreciate artistically. I think he's just talking shit because he has to for the diss.

[@TheSkaOreo]

What it comes off as as him saying “I don’t think that…but other people do” which yeah seems to me that it lacks any real conviction. Like Cole is only doing this because he feels he has to.

[@JEPiper]

@@TheSkaOreo agreed; he still out here trying to politick

[@dantepatel]

The albums he dissed were GKMC and Mr. Morale. TPAB is the 3rd album not DAMN.... And I do think GKMC is kinda overhyped, imo

[@overlord6815]

@@dantepatel Nah, because that would mean he's saying Section 80 was a classic and pretty much everyone agrees that GKMC is Kendrick's classic album. Either Cole forgot about Section 80 or he doesn't count it as Kendrick's first album

[@dantepatel]

@@overlord6815 naw, GKMC was gassed imo

[@tammo401]

what makes the cloud chaser line eve more funnier is when you think about it. Kendrick did his diss on a random hidden feature meanwhile, Cole dropped a whole ass album with his diss. Like if we wanna talk about boosting sales you can do the exact same with Cole. Also he did it on the last song so everybody at midnight streamed through the whole project.

[@Two-ToneMoonStone]

Not to mention cole working w/ rappers ten years younger than him and hopping on a track w/ Drake, where HE name drops Kendrick.

[@BlkStar99]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@Two-ToneMoonStoneFirst off he didn’t name drop Kendrick in any type of dissing way on FPS. Also, how is it clout chasing to do features for younger artists that have less overall buzz around their names than Cole? Idk why we would criticize Cole for doing features for a multitude of artists when he’s not hopping on tracks with young people with crazy clout.

[@DorianOfficial_]

you say that like ppl can’t skip the project and skip straight to the last song lol

[@demetriusean]

​@@BlkStar99He still mentioned Kendrick. That completely contradicts his whole "if he wasn't dissing, then we wouldn't be discussing him" line lol

[@goodkid1985]

But Kendrick does this a lot 1. Control 2.BET cypher 3.The heart part IV 5.Family Ties 6.Like that

[@saibot9595]

What did Cole mean by "4 albums in 12 years"? They both have the same amount of albums lmao

[@dxger]

He has nothing else to grip onto

[@zkiron7932]

And dissing kendrick's albums ain't it, when all the audience know those albums are good/great

[@imanigordon6803]

Basically gripping on straws ngl with that one.

[@justingonzalez1880]

It’s to rile him up, he can’t kiss his ass too much and address everything great. He has to stir the pot to get his attention the way Kendrick did to him. To remember what happened when you tryna diss but kiss too much ass, Rap Devil was a failed attempt cuz he tried acknowledging how good em was but that he fell off. J Cole did similar but this ain’t the full cock back and aim this just the appetizer. Plus both aren’t crazy disses, this is just the beginning.

[@j02-h4g]

Where are the nitpicks with Kendrick’s verse? All Kendrick did was call Cole a bum and said it’s big me. Cole went at Kendrick harder.

[@johnalexharper]

shame on J Cole's homies for letting him keep that simpsons bar

[@BGreen112]

My issue with calling Kendrick a clout chaser is other than like that the only public “diss” was control. Kendrick isn’t famous because he disses people he’d be just as popular and famous without control or like that.

[@tylerspaghetti3646]

​@@Abdullah-vg1uche's been touring the past two years

[@BGreen112]

@@Abdullah-vg1uc that’s not any different than what a million other rappers say. “ I’m the best” “ your night can’t do shit like me” “ fuck them other niggas”. It’s all the same shit

[@BGreen112]

@@Abdullah-vg1uc and those albums 2 of those albums were trash. Who cares if you put out a lot of songs , quality takes time. Nobody gets mad at Beyoncé for taking however long to make an album. All that should matter is quality

[@someoneelse5209]

​@@Abdullah-vg1uc Putting the clout-chaser label on a guy like Kendrick doesn't work. You just can't do it, and he's too solidified in the game to even need that. You can't concede to the idea that Kendrick is often "silent", but then say he's desperate for attention in the same breath. We're talking about a guy who everyone knows doesn't use social media, and will go years without releasing music if he needs to. If he's clout-chaser, that means he's more involved with the culture, hopping on more features, dissing way more, doing antics, making way less risky & more commercial music. He hardly even promoted his last album at all. Just doesn't work. You need to understand that Kendrick is simply one competitive ass dude, and he loves to claim the spot. That's really all there is to it. The "clout-chasing" rhetoric is just a surface level analysis that could only come from someone whose consumption of Hip-hop derives from whatever is trending.

[@adub92199]

@@Abdullah-vg1ucyou hear the difference in music quality too

[@majorisker]

Mr Morale literally outsold Cole’s last album so if he’s attacking that album based on sales it already falls flat and is basically an insult to himself. Also Cole’s last album came out before Morale so the consistency thing is also questionable.

[@wickeddwitches]

Jcole shot himself in the foot with ts 😭

[@microwaveke]

Off season sold 288k mr morale 282k i think

[@imnotakingimnotagodiam..ab9455]

​@@microwavekestill not a great think to boast about. Like bro you are being proud because you sold just 6k more 😭😭

[@iDewThis4Yu]

@@microwavekeyour going by first week. Overall Mr morale sold more and was the highest grossing rap tour ever or some ish like that. Like the narrative that that Grammys winning album was a flop is so weird..like I get a huge section of the internet dosnt appreciate that type of rap but it’s like yall are aware that the rest of the world exists right? Example..me and everybody I know plus my algorithm hates Lil Uzi…I’m not dense or dumb enough to think that he is flopping tho ykwis?

[@jadencandelario7880]

@@microwavekeMr morale sold 295

[@2girls_nocup161]

Been waiting on this all day

[@thedon0516]

Aged like 2% Great Value Milk with the cap off (No Cap)

[@TheManofThings777]

I think the song was good, but there was one line I had issue with. "4 albums in 12 years, I can divide" Quality over quantity. This is just my opinion, but sure, Kendrick might only have 4 albums, but literally each one is better than any album Cole has made.

[@sambortnick6836]

Each one is not better lmao mr morale is better than forest hills drive? Gtfo y’all Kendrick stans are delusional and Kendrick’s in my top 3 all time…

[@matthewlarios.]

@@sambortnick6836if kendrick was in your top three you’d know how overrated forest hills drive is

[@thevoid5732]

My problem w this diss is Cole kinda gave Kendrick a lot of ammo to use in a follow up -got his timeline wrong on album releases - says no one would mention him if he didn't bring others up despite him bringing Kendrick up first Here - saying Kendrick puts niggas to sleep after saying he was in a big 3 conversation on fps - the occasional corny bar (the Simpson line)

[@LDH777]

The Simpson line makes even less sense when the big steppers tour broke records

[@arendiaz3788]

The fact that bro saying he was disappointed by new Simpson😂😂😂 nearly 40 yr old man

[@iangarcia1585]

​@@LDH777true lol

[@goodkid1985]

😂😂what if that was bait

[@someoneelse5209]

@@goodkid1985 Typically when you use bait, you don't literally offer yourself as the bait lol.

[@waldenio1]

Wake up babe, shawn just dropped 🗣️🔥

[@lumberjack6533]

ughhh fine i’m up

[@thecar4306]

yes daddy

[@FIREcrochethairstyles]

... with another questionable music take

[@henryhavenx]

j cole hopped in the ring and left before the bell even rung

[@vTheHeroicIdeal]

Respect to Cole for responding. It’s the bare minimum but still.

[@bigol9223]

I disagree, no participation trophy.

[@vTheHeroicIdeal]

@@bigol9223 that’s fair. I didn’t say give him praise but I still respect anyone willing to try or put themselves out there. Most people don’t even try. Cole still sucks compared to Kendrick though lol just my opinion. A famous quote I like is “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena”

[@9durrell9]

What we Really want is Kdot vs Drake in all honesty…Cole is cool & all but If we talking big 3 Cole is Number 3 definitely lol.

[@Alexa-uk8lj]

J Cole should've just stayed out of it.

[@Killageable]

The clique line was harder than the Cole song

[@LDH777]

Almost every single video talking about that track completely missed the clique bar. No wonder these dumb mfs sit here like "it was trash all he said was its big me" like nah, you just don't know shit and then tell me it wasn't real hip hop, but Cole is. Like wtf

[@spill4155]

@@Abdullah-vg1ucgood music makes me hard yes

[@Killageable]

@@Abdullah-vg1ucnah the bar was just crazy fr

[@dylanmiller1140]

@@Abdullah-vg1ucCole fans acting like Dot glazers are weird is the funniest thing, he’s just a better artist and rapper

[@goodkid1985]

I got here off bars not no controversy (control verse ) You ain't catch that tho ..di you

[@daniyalahmed8808]

Listening to this mixtape, I can see why kendrick was pissed at Cole mentioning himself in the big three. When you are talking legacy, if the top three has someone as mid as J Cole, the discourse actively brings down the legacy of Kendrick as an artist. I can definitely see people claiming in 20 years that yea Kendrick was great but he was great when Drake and J cole were also considered great.

[@DOODOOBUTT_]

@@Abdullah-vg1ucday one Drake hater since I seen his punch face on Degrassi and you’re 1000% correct

[@lobi5104]

​@@Abdullah-vg1uc greatest rapper and best selling rapper is not the same! Be for real!

[@lobi5104]

Mid and J Cole in the same sentence is wild.

[@AngeBiampandou]

​@@lobi5104His albums are mid. The mixtapes were way better

[@demetriusean]

​@@Abdullah-vg1ucthis is some next level dickriding lmaooo

[@synthiandrakon]

i think what kendrick got right in his diss is that it was all disrespect, he honestly didn't say anything crazy but it wasn't trying to be friendly or whatever. Cole had some bars but man you cant aknowledge someone has a classic on a diss track

[@arendiaz3788]

Literally MGK v Eminem all over again "disrespect me on one line, compliment me on the next"

[@someoneelse5209]

@@Abdullah-vg1uc You don't compliment someone on a diss. That's rule number one of a diss. It's oxymoronic. And yeah, cole had some mean things to say, but when you stack compliments on top of it, it takes away from any of the harsh criticism from having its impact.

[@haserlaser56]

I wouldn’t say stack. He said ONE compliment and only to use it in order to setup the diss. MGK complimented Eminem like half the track… btw Rap Devil was a great distrack but I do see ur point.

[@mocapcow2933]

@@haserlaser56he also said he drops a fire verse every 30 months, it’s a diss that Kendrick doesn’t drop a lot, but also a compliment that his rare drops are always fire.

[@someoneelse5209]

@@haserlaser56 It's absolutely "stack" when it's in the same breath. "Stack" doesn't mean 'more than one additional thing'. If I say something like: "you got classics but you fell off", you're stacking a compliment on a diss, which takes away from the diss. Also, Rap Devil was abysmal. It's practically a meme song. The instrumental is dope though, and there are some good lines sprinkled in.

[@bhabiecorleone3764]

J Cole really is too nice.

[@bruh......2005]

"""""too nice"""""

[@LucinaMeow]

Woah he's eating a plain burger and drinking crystal clear water on the side. Woah he's so humble ❤🗣🤪🙌🙌🙌

[@UniOmni777]

You have no idea.

[@jacksonkarwoski1884]

I’m fearful for his future

[@Radjhitoocool]

Hell be fine they’re just making poems about how their the best

[@Belowone]

they just cancelled j cole 😭

[@thedon0516]

No need to worry, Future dropping next week on the 12th

[@mapps6427]

bro was foreshadowing

[@UniOmni777]

And you were right to

[@ricopena2053]

This aged well. Even Cole thinks his diss was weak.

[@leikleik25]

Cole took Jay line criticizing Nas albums “4 albums in 10 years- I can divide” he got ethered after that.

[@UniOmni777]

Bro ethered himself

[@mr.dr0bot731]

Shawn brought up a good point. Kendrick has stayed out of controversy and any of his flaws have been addressed in his music by himself. So he's pretty much made himself unfuckwithable.

[@lumberjack6533]

i just think the beef will continue to be kinda mid bc they keep it solely rap (as in they don’t bring up personal drama that the public don’t know abt ) which i think is good but there’s only so much dissing u can do by calling the other person a weaker rapper . i feel like drake would be the one to make it dirty and bring up personal issues

[@LoveTruth86]

But what personal issues can Drake bring up about Kendrick? That would be a losing approach for Drake given his own messes.

[@kiasj1794]

​@LoveTruth86 if i remember correctly drake did the exact same thing ish with pusha and that turned out horribly

[@RagnarLoudpak]

@@kiasj1794fr, idk if Drake can take another “You are hiding a child”, especially from Kendrick

[@Kal-El207]

That’s what rapping is about. Proving you’re better. Why does it need to get toxic? Ya’ll live for the bloodshed. This country is cooked.

[@HG-lq8gy]

The difference in comments on the mixtape review and this one really shows the Kendrick glazers that only listened to this bit and called the rest mid

[@williamfrost7141]

“I respect J Cole for hopping in the ring” where do we stand on him hopping straight out? kmt

[@cecilburroughs9460]

He hopped in. He can hop on out now.

[@oohlalaa2390]

😂 this actually made me cackle

[@commentor2058-p4b]

Even though this is extremely inferior to Kendrick's diss I'm still glad he responded

[@trashboat8334]

They like the same shit, they barely even dissed each other

[@brown-eyedcheese5440]

@@trashboat8334yeah hopefully they’ll go harder next time

[@clkgtr12]

they're just testing the waters

[@mohussein6286]

If you take away the shock factor of Kendrick’s.. you still feel the same way?

[@imanigordon6803]

Y’all acting like “it’s just big me” is the most profound lyric out there 💀

[@rks-hg8ec]

Did i just hear Cole of all people calling a rapper's work boring? And that too TPAB? 😭😭😭😭

[@matrixghost]

Got here off of bars not no “contro-ver-sy” got here off of bars not no “Control verse see” 🤯🤯🤯🤯

[@mocapcow2933]

Which doesn’t make sense because the control verse came out after Kendrick was already getting a lot of buzz. If a no one said the same verse, no one would care.

[@KaituoKid]

@@mocapcow2933 you understand that ppl who are not kdot glazers don't agree with that right? And that's a lot of ppl. Alot of ppl think that control verse is corny my dude. Buzz lol He was arguably no where near j.cole at the time and most definitely no where near drake.

[@mocapcow2933]

@@KaituoKid I speak to a lot of people, lots of people with wildly different music tastes. All the people who are raps fans do not think Control is corny. And a lot of non rap fans still think TPAB is one of the greatest albums. Cole is the more niche fanbase even though Cole doing everything in his book to become more and more popular. He is the least interesting out of the Big 3, better than Drake, but at least Drake experiments. Cole is one note.

[@brendonm4582]

Don’t hurt your back with all that reaching 😂😂

[@zootin6688]

@@KaituoKid j cole sold 280k first week vs kendrick 240k that year. and anyone anywhere was playing GKMC when it dropped. acting like kendrick got big from the control verse is a complete lie. its not like it didn't help his popularity at all, but acting like cole was just insanely more popular is delusional. and yeah, if he wasn't buzzing prior then that verse would have made zero waves. i remember hopsin made a song and actually dissed big rappers (control isn't even a diss) and no one cared.

[@Cosmonautchronicles]

This whole series of events has been pure entertainment 😅

[@BearHeadedWerewolf]

J. Cole officially backed out of the beef with an announcement at the Dreamville Festival. Go watch the whole announcement. Im disappointed af. There goes a potential great beef. It was sunf while it lasted.

[@shaunmahlangu1673]

TPAB influenced 4YEO🤷🏽‍♂️ Show me a J Cole project that was jazz before Kendrick's. On top if that Cole started doing the homeless look for the album as well. Peep history. It may put niggas to sleep in his opinion but it gave him creative freedom to follow KDot's foot steps 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@beinerthchitivamachado9892]

4:44 Shawn hit the nail on the head, fr. I'm still surprised and dissapointed that Cole would say an album like Mr. Morale was tragic because it didn't do crazy numbers. Kenny barely promoted it and the album has no "hits". That was NEVER the point of the album. DAMN. got hits upon hits cuz hat was Kenny's goal at the time, I swear almost half of DAMN. is singles (DNA., ELEMENT., LOYALTY., HUMBLE., LOVE.). That's 5 outta 14 tracks. Mr. Morale is Kenny's most personal album, his biggest artistic risk. It's a beautiful album and another worthy addition to Kendrick's INSANE discography. Honestly, the whole Cole diss was an L. He went against his own word and logic, multiple times.

[@Kal-El207]

It’s weird af how y’all can see that with Mr. Morale but NOT ONE SOUL sees that with 4YEO. Thats so strange and odd to me how y’all sit here and understand the depth and complexities of Kendrick’s albums, yet refuse to see that with Cole, who in fact has those same complexities and talents with his own songs and albums. It’s so weird. And I’m a Kendrick stan at that. But yet I see it with both.

[@beinerthchitivamachado9892]

@@Kal-El207 I have NO idea WTF you're talking about. NOT ONE SOUL? STFU. Stop projecting. I'm also a Kendrick Stan and consider 4YEO to be a MASTERPIECE. It's a beautiful album from start to finish, and I consider it to be J. Cole's Magnum Opus. If anything you should be wondering why Cole would go at an album like Mr. Morale and calling it "tragic" because it didn't sell crazy numbers or saying stupid sh*t like TPAB put people to sleep, which as a Cole fan, immediately makes his diss a complete L. Cole going against his own logic completely makes his diss nonsensical and a complete L, imo.

[@SkeyMask]

How are ya’ll judging the bars as if J Cole took a month to respond. He DID THIS IN 7 Minutes, clearly shows the levels that he has.

[@lorehound480]

the simpsons bar is so corny lmfao

[@olblue3478]

Its really not tbh

[@Cohen-]

I'm indifferent on it

[@uglydude4691]

It’s ok, the abcd L one is lame tho

[@AngeBiampandou]

It was garbage 😂

[@Ehh.....]

It doesn't make sense because even if the Simpsons quality fell dramatically, it's still one of the biggest shows around period. There's a reason they won't let that show die.

[@Isaacduarte31]

crazy cause mf morale sold more than the off season.. not to say sales matter but I found that pretty surprising.

[@Isaacduarte31]

@@Abdullah-vg1uc both good albums. i think cole does some of his best rapping on there since 2014 fhd. i feel like the mr morale bad reviews come from folks not ready for therapy. it’s a heavy album if we being honest.

[@BlowTorchDrizy1]

Its the sheer hypocrisy of trashing TPAB whiles doing that soft ass melody raps on Alright remix. He himself admittted he was trailing behind. The jokes write themselves.

[@wickeddwitches]

ong the skill difference clearly showed itself 😭

[@luischacon3793]

@@wickeddwitchesKendrick hasn’t even really said anything on cole, not to say that cole has much on kdot either but, neither side has shown all they have. And in terms of technical skill cole just showed some great rapping

[@overaxel9498]

@@luischacon3793 if the guy who wrote the diss admitted that he was playing catch up then they immediately lose

[@RagnarLoudpak]

@@overaxel9498not really, if he’s talking about the past. He saying he passed him by now.

[@overaxel9498]

@@RagnarLoudpak that makes no sense

[@ryanwebb3945]

I didn’t know 290k first week is considered, “not selling well”

[@ELGUAPOIV]

Man shot back at Kendrick with a 22 😂 This was weak shit

[@camvole8806]

What kendrick shoot at him with?

[@jghifiversveiws8729]

Subsonic .22 no LR

[@gerardolopez9597]

What did Kendrick say that it was so crazy

[@kevincervantes427]

@@camvole8806this is what I don’t understand lmao. Why are people acting like Kendrick had something crazy for him in the beginning? It’s clear that they both put out something on the lighter side first.

[@reggiemoore21]

@@camvole8806honestly kendrick dissed drake the whole verse outside the Big 3 line the whole thing was for drake but kendrick impact can get cole in his feelings so hard he has to make a WHOLE song to 1 line from kenny and if i was him i wouldnt even respond to this SOFT ASS DISS

[@ShadowDarkHeart90]

I WAS HERE FOR THIS STREAM!! WAS SO MUCH FUN!! THANK YOU SHAWN

[@Khari99]

what a crazy 72 hours. Cole is out the ring lmao

[@thafo6309]

My eyes rolled so far back into my head after the Simpsons line that i actually went through a REM cycle for the rest of the track 🌽

[@konLVdon]

writing a Kendrick diss in 7 minutes is just crazy stupid

[@zkiron7932]

Yeah but that doesn't mean it was a good diss, it was just that, a diss

[@itskhao]

A 7 minute drill is a military thing I’m pretty sure

[@konLVdon]

​@@itskhaoCole been talking about writing the most amount of bars in 7-10 minutes and has called it "7 minute writing drills"

[@itskhao]

@@konLVdon yeah but idk the song is 3 mins long it would be hard to write it in so little time

[@konLVdon]

​@@itskhaowhen I first listened to it I thought it meant 7 minutes each verse, but with bars such as "Fell Off like the Simpsons" I wouldn't doubt that he wrote the whole song in 7 minutes

[@kendallsanders4298]

😌 thank you for explaining all those things about Kendricks albums and causes and the meanings. It made that “I got here off of bars, not no controversy..” hit home. All those movements and events made the music that much more powerful… during a time of controversy

[@Jayrod666]

Whole time I remember 2018 everybody was saying kod was boring and trash so for Cole to say that is interesting 💯

[@javiartem]

2024 and people still say kod is boring and trash

[@svidyut4402]

​@@javiartembecause it is lmao

[@javiartem]

@@svidyut4402 exactly, that’s why i mentioned it, album is even worse now than when it came out and it’s funny cole is dissing one of the best discographies in hip hop while having an album i can only describe as stinky

[@fairshareofdrownedsouls]

​@javiartem Because when you're influential and you lie again and again, people start to believe it. Watch how we start hearing TPAB was boring more often now, wait and see.

[@shehatesfendy3795]

Listened to DAMN yesterday again. There is nothing Cole has that can even compare. Nuff said 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@goodkid1985]

Stop it

[@JMex-eg5uf]

Forest hills drive is more enjoyable than damn and untitled imo. But no other album by Cole competes with the rest of k dot’s discography

[@Wayn3z]

@@JMex-eg5ufsideline story ??????

[@JMex-eg5uf]

@@Wayn3z sideline story is great, but incomparable to any of Kendrick’s projects. But you can argue that FYEO and the off season hold more weight than section 80 and untitled. I love Cole but Kendrick is objectively the better artist atm

[@Wayn3z]

@@JMex-eg5uf I listened to TPAB and just couldn’t enjoy it I tried I’m not the biggest Kendrick fan but I fw his music that album just not it for me and from what I’ve seen by numbers it’s criticly acclaimed but it seems like most people don’t like it and just his core fans fw it I do fw the king kunta joint tho

[@crunkadile]

Ay bro!! Been waiting on this!

[@3000cbreezy]

BEEN WAITING FOR THIS🔥

[@AJ-nh9qm]

Yea I agree that this song ain’t gonna make K dot back down, if anything Cole prolly pissed him off that he didn’t go harder lmao

[@bigol9223]

Nah it probably just made him roll his eyes because it proves he was right.

[@FreeBandz658]

I expected a Drake response first but I’m glad Cole has responded. I don’t agree that anyone is 1-0 up these are just the first moves on the board. Now is when Kendrick needs to drop an actual diss track(ideally Drake responds first) but Cole criticising his discography is weak, most people like Kendricks discography more than Coles. And Cole has been very meh since FHD.

[@imanigordon6803]

Drake has to do it now. Everyone is looking at him now.

[@moomax8649]

Cole has been at his best since fhd what are you talking about

[@moomax8649]

If something kendrick has been bad since damn (except the heart part 5)

[@nbsalan_5763]

Your tripping off season and 4yeo better than mr morale and damn

[@FreeBandz658]

@@moomax8649 not in terms of his projects, he’s still rapping great and done good on features. Off season was cool but FYEO and KOD were wack to me.

[@pp3917]

I love cole too but I’m sorry, y’all hyping this reply up just for the clicks or for the desire to instigate soem type of rap beef. That reply was WEAK asf. Most of the “ harder” bars didn’t even make sense. “ 4 album in 12 years, nigga I can divide”- this was not only a stolen line from Takeover, but it didn’t even make sense in this context cus cole and Dot have the same number of albums since 2012😂 “ if we wasn’t dissing then we wouldn’t be discussing him” Oh really cole? Didn’t you give him a free shoutout on FPS even after he dropped his “ worse “ album after being in hiatus for 5 years Oh and we’re not even gonna entertain him saying TPAB was boring. My dude you got KOD is your discog… I get it if he said TPAB was boring( I strongly disagree), but if he meant to say GKMC, then that’s a even worse take💀💀. Regardless, 4YEO, which is best project IMO, stil doesn’t even touch Mr Morale, let alone TPAB

[@konLVdon]

the FPS shout-out was backhanded, he follows up saying he's Ali (The Greatest)

[@pp3917]

@@konLVdon bro called himself Ali but gave no punches. You can’t call yourself Ali if you not gonna prove to us why you’re on top

[@bruh......2005]

Not even KOD, Born sinner is way worse of an album and peak Cole levels of corniness💀..... atleast KOD has some bangers

[@carlosgause9115]

Niggas act like I Cole was supposed to drop like an ether or like the pusha t diss. Tbh Kendrick didn’t really even come at Cole and Cole came back with this

[@joshf9364]

Been waiting on this reaction lmao

[@chrismunoz507]

Kendrick gonna ether him.

[@fyloopa364]

Sound dumb af

[@jghifiversveiws8729]

4YEO and Born Sinner are the Nyquil and Dayquil of Hip Hop albums 😂😂

[@mrnigz746]

Bruhhh 4 your eyes only is really good white noise to help you get TO sleep

[@InsaNizzy]

Because i respect cole, i went back and gave tpab a full listen to see if he’s right…. He’s wrong. Also found funny hood politics lyrics that matchup well with the current state of things 😂

[@psychokitty444]

Cole actually could have gotten somewhere in the diss roasting the chorus of that song... Boo-boo.

[@ampliphire]

Maybe Cole was talking about GKMC when he said 2nd album. Technically, Section 80 was kendrick first album, just released independently

[@bigol9223]

that would make less sense, since gkmc is the most indisputably classic album to people across the board

[@ampliphire]

@bigol9223 I agree. GKMC was a great album, not sure where he was going with that. Doesn't really matter now since the dude apologized to Kendrick on stage lmao

[@Jrazzi]

Shawn Cee has finally responded to J. Cole finally responding

[@anthonypereira260]

Also Mr morale did like 280k first week so it did sell well

[@barryorchestra]

295k and it outsold the off season

[@overaxel9498]

@@Abdullah-vg1uc if the tragic album outsold the off season then wtf is Cole saying???

[@hoopsx2695]

Mid ass diss, felt less important as a whole ass song than one verse of kendricks😂

[@Kal-El207]

You’re glazing. I’m a Kendrick stan and even I have to give Cole his props. He went in. Ya’ll just really delusional and weird.

[@eternalyt5175]

He had good energy, but aside from the short arms comment and the caterpillar line it was kinda wack. First off, it was a homage to Takeover​, the track which literally got Ethered. Second, playing the 'i don't care about grammys' and 'your shit was sleepy' makes zero sense. Don't even get me started on 'fell off like the simpsons'. I agree that Kendrick didn't have much to offer in terms of substance, but at least the surprise drop and the tight writing made up for it. @@Kal-El207

[@giklandg8171]

Immediately on that

[@baxtersegers1445]

Its funny dissing him for only doing 4 albums when you just called him top 3. Thats a flex

[@jefi1298]

I see this first back and forth as some kind of a warmup for what's about to come. If the following disses go harder, great. It'd be really sad if this is where it ends.

[@corneliusrawness]

Cole literally said in the song this is a warning.

[@jefi1298]

@@corneliusrawness i heard that but Cole says a lot of things. Also this beef ends here if Kendrick doesn't respond (however unlikely that may be)

[@corneliusrawness]

@@jefi1298 Kendrick coming for blood LOL

[@Kal-El207]

@@jefi1298Everyone says a lot of things though…

[@bigol9223]

@@corneliusrawness Cole literally said he could drop 2 classics right now. For someone whose only classic was 10 years ago that's pretty big talk. That's all he's doing. Talking. Yapping. He's spent years acting like he's the big dog then when his actual direct competitor calls him out he just yaps some more and doesn't even commit to the diss. Drop the 2 classics instead of bragging that you "could" if you wanted to.

[@DjMarksman1986]

That diss wasn't it. I had to go back to Ether to remind me of how real disses used to be 😂. Still got luv for Cole tho new project is fiyah regardless

[@yaredteferra7630]

He just dont have that dog in him to go all in

[@korisantana]

@@Abdullah-vg1ucyou can’t send warning shots at a nga who’s already shooting at you bro 😂

[@Enryu099]

@@korisantana That's the thing though, what did Kendrick say that was worse than what Cole said. Kendrick didn't go hard at all

[@korisantana]

@@Abdullah-vg1uc if someone slaps u and you say “i bet you won’t do it again” instead of slapping back i think ur priorities are fucked up 😂😂 j cole was supposed to go for the jugular

[@korisantana]

@@Enryu099 this how i know you weren’t paying attention to kendrick’s lyrics, the k9 bar alone was like a quadruple entendre

[@FJK22]

There’s nothing Cole can say in response to Kendrick to make Cole’s discography any better. Kendrick wins no matter what

[@merathe9391]

Crazy how everyone missed that nas reference. "Your arms moght be too short to box with the god"

[@greg1324]

YOU kept it 💯! Thank You.

[@Akela_akilla]

I think Cole did solid. Truly believe people are just more Kendrick fans and that dilutes the opinion on it. Cole had some dope bars in it, wasn’t a full on diss, more like a warning if anything (which I’m assuming the “7 minute drill” refers to). Kendrick also gets the benefit of the amazing production from Metro, Future’s incredible Melodie’s as well. One was a song, the other was a response at the end of the day. Kendricks verse is on what was already going to be a hit record and made it legendary. But I appreciate the classic hip hop diss energy from this Cole track.

[@choccycow6823]

Yeah but Coles comments on Kendrick’s Albums are wild. That’s what’s going against him more than anything. MMBS is tragic but it won a Grammy AND it outsold the Offseason. TPAB is considered in top 5 Album of all time conversations tf you mean it but people to sleep. I love Cole but don’t spit nonsense, I expect that stupid shit from Drake not Cole. Like Kendrick’s mmbs tour broke records. You can’t talk about someone falling off, when they are outselling you, that makes no sense. The fan made response was better than Cole’s response which is fucking crazy. Cole is a great rapper and normally really smart, How about you talk about Kodak Black eating up Kendrick on his own song, or how hypocritical it is that he talks so much about lifting the culture and then shit on someone who does the same thing. Spit facts not nonsense.

[@Akela_akilla]

@@choccycow6823 I don’t quite understand this take. Cole is obviously going to critique his albums even if it’s a dumb critique because kendrick dissed his/their albums. Like kendrick even said “Prince outlive Mike Jack”, but you don’t really people say “wow kendrick just admitted Drake is like Michael Jackson” or “wow he thinks prince is better than Michael Jackson.” It’s definitely an unpopular opinion to say Prince>MJ, which he is alluding to. But it’s weird to say I’m the clear biggest out, and compare himself to prince instead of MJ. But we obviously aren’t having think pieces on that aspect bc it’s just his preference/opinion. It’s just weird to me that that’s what everyone’s critiquing about coles light diss. And I don’t think Coles aim was a full on diss, it was just a warning shot

[@choccycow6823]

@@Akela_akilla I know it’s just a warning shot which is why I am disappointed that Cole managed to fuck it up by saying something stupid. I agree with what you said about the prince MJ thing too. But thats the point, you came up with criticism that made sense. You attack Kendrick, but you can’t attack someone’s album when it’s considered one of the best albums of all time, if you have none that are at that level or even arguably close. I gave a few examples of stuff Cole coulda said, you gave an example of what Cole coulda said, fans made a better response track than Cole did. Majority of it was hard but that part lost it for me in a big way. Good example is that when Jay-Z dissed Nas he didn’t try to trash illmatic. That would’ve been stupid, same way that Nas didn’t attack Reasonable Doubt. That would’ve been stupid. But still because Nas made Illmatic, and because Jay-Z made Reasonable doubt, they can actually diss whatever album they fuckign want because they probably made better. And if not it’s arguable that they made better. Dissing Kendrick’s Discography(specifically TPAB)which is his biggest strength is like tryna tell Deontay Wilder he punches like a featherweight. I just expected smarter from Cole. I am a Cole Fan, he was the first rapper I really fucked with yk. I expected better from him, something smarter.

[@smokinAce245]

Waited for this, lets hear what Shawn gotta say.

[@simplycvrsive]

The fact that shawn dropped a reaction to the diss(reply) only after listening to the whole project speaks volumes. . .

[@lkh1093]

Saw a theory saying that 7 minute drill on this album is half of a full diss track (3:32 runtime) and the rest (3:28) is when Kendrick responds

[@LDH777]

What the fuck gives credence to this theory?

[@thisfooreallysaid]

@@LDH777uhm can you add? God i swear j Cole is too high level for you kenrick meat riders.

[@lkh1093]

@@LDH777 idk lol I just found it in an ig comment it ain’t mine. Also it’s funny how it’s called 7 minute still but is like half that

[@sorivios728]

I heard it's named that because it's a military term I think where someone has 7 or 5mins to explain a situation to the commander to eliminate the need of an actual meeting, Thus I theorized that Cole basically is saying that he wrote this in 7mins thus why he says lightwork at the beginning

[@bigol9223]

@@lkh1093 its called 7 minute drill because he does 7 minute rhyming drills every morning to practice writing. So the gimmick is "this isn't even a challenge, I did this in 7 minutes and didn't edit"

[@indo2383]

Cole sounds like a guy that been around drake a lot

[@whitr2367]

It put me to sleep..

[@imanigordon6803]

Cap

[@arendiaz3788]

​@@imanigordon68037 MID DRILL

[@MylesKillis]

I legit listened to this album to fall asleep last night

[@arendiaz3788]

@@MylesKillis 🤣🤣🤣

[@hereaioan3379]

I liked the responsya lot..verry good for first warning/response

[@lumberjack6533]

saying he has a good verse every 30 months kinda slow when unironically he drops every 30 months. basically ur just saying everytime he drops, it’s fire. it’s not like he dropped every month or every 10 months to claim he misses

[@Theoneandonly-sd7qb]

Bro he’s saying this nigga Kendrick take 30 months to make a good song, and that he can’t consistently drop and be good, cause I would hope if you drop every 30 months that shit is good.

[@mocapcow2933]

@@Abdullah-vg1ucI mean J Cole’s favorite rapper was Nas, that before his current run. Was taunted for only having one classic and only two good album in general. But was very talented. So it isn’t even a good diss, considering it is a very new school idea that you need to drop every year.

[@juliaxotwod]

I kinda assumed that J cole would have just said some bar about loving eachother

[@alexberthon]

Mister morale sold better than the off-season first week tho so i dont get the convo about selling well

[@EMAH669]

​@@Abdullah-vg1uc Just because he was off for 5 years, doesn't mean he was making the album for 5 years

[@kolapofalode678]

J cole is saving ammo, he knows Kendrick gon come back with some heatt

[@AaronLaZox]

LMFAO watching this after cole begged kdot for forgiveness

[@COOKIEM260]

"I got my chin out" 💀

[@zez1ma123]

Jay-Z in his song ‘Takeover’ said, ‘4 albums in 12 years, I can divide.’ This line was part of a diss aimed at Nas during their feud. J Cole used it in his song too 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@Kal-El207]

I can’t tell if your comment is negative or informative.

[@zez1ma123]

@@Kal-El207 informative, from what i remember on stream shawn thought cole was trying to say kendrick is short but the line is def deeper than that. idr

[@francojimenez9093]

If Cole was losing sleep over the Kendrick beef, he should’ve just played TPAB like he said

[@amekgomo5250]

That grammys line was outta nowhere, he deffo insecure about it

[@michaelclaassen4938]

7 minute drill is 🔥

[@bringjoy73]

What I honestly got from this is that Cole don’t wanna go back and forth with nobody, let alone Kendrick. Considering he probably starting writing, producing, and recording this song in the time frame of Like That coming out to today, he ain’t have too much time to figure everything out, I wouldn’t be surprised if his thoughts on the whole thing isn’t as sorted out or cohesive, that’s what this track feels like to me honestly. This is a situation of if Cole doesn’t say anything, he’ll be called a pussy, even though I would personally respect him coming out to say he don’t wanna drop a record on someone who brought his name up on rowdy type shit. cuz I honestly don’t sense real ‘beef’ between him and Kendrick, they might have these spats but it ain’t serious enough to hav a 7 mins record. But I would like to attest that to the pressure of the community only giving him one option, even if he probably sees this as pointless. Plus I don’t think a lot of what he’s saying in the record is correct, because some of the stuff he’s saying about Kendrick it can easily be said towards him so I was a bit confused in that second verse (my opinion ofc) yk, besides kdot being a short king😂the ‘disses’ just don’t hit as hard, and maybe that was the point, it just kinda appeases the community more than anything. But if Kendrick decides to make a response to this, that will definitely be something because I can only see Kendrick actually trying to go at Cole, which sucks cuz I think Cole is a great nice guy😭I’m packing this whole thing up by Sunday tho

[@waldezurbe]

i don't like j cole's rap. i thought the diss was okay, but i'm respect him for trying.

[@lulws4940]

Cole doesn’t take risks because he isn’t trying to grift in societal issues the way Kendrick does, all cole has ever wanted is to try to rap and get to the same level as the old heads, he is a classic rap enjoyer so that’s what he makes

[@DOODOOBUTT_]

Yeah Jakes Hole is easily the greatest biracial rapper of all time

[@wwatse]

I am a kendrick fan and i get it when people say TPAB is boring I don't think it is but you don't just put TPAB on the aux You need to be in a very specific mental space to listen to it And that's just not for everybody

[@coryjackson6944]

meanwhile "Alright" was the anthem during the George Floyd protests..