J. Haydn - Le ultime sette parole di Cristo Hob.XX:1 - Orchestra Filarmonica della Scala (R. Muti)

[@pierpier7806]

Un miracolo: questa musica

[@matteovasta5952]

Personalmente non amo molto Muti( sono prevenuto per i suoi atteggiamenti teatrali) ma bisogna riconoscergli capacità straordinarie di tenere in pugno ( forse un po’ eccessivo), ma soprattutto ha una capacità straordinaria di rendere unici i momenti drammatici. Ti strattona e ti tira per il bavero e ti eleva al di fuori della realtà materiale.👏👏👏

[@andreagriseri7656]

Alcuni criticano l'utilizzo del tono maggiore in alcune sonate ritenendolo non conforme alla drammaticità dell'evento e delle parole a cui allude.: ma è proprio in questo che risiede la particolarità di questo capolavoro: la dolcezza malinconica dell'Ecce filius tuus contrapposta al senso di solitudine di fronte all'abbandono del Padre. Haydn non è stato come Mozart un grande drammaturgo ma ha saputo come nessun altro esprimere le tragedie e le speranze e le passioni che agitano gli esseri umani attraverso la musica strumentale.

[@claudiovandelli881]

grazie

[@marcolagana5342]

Alla drammaticità del supplizio si contrappone la dolcezza di Gesù. Per esempio, in "Padre, perdona loro perché non sanno quello che fanno!", che la musica esprime in modo commovente

[@Twentythousandlps]

This is the original version of this piece, actually written to be part of a long Good Friday service. It is to be preferred to the string quartet version or the choral version Haydn made years later.

[@elaineblackhurst1509]

The orchestral original is a masterpiece, the choral version is also exceptional (especially with various the additions); the string quartet version is the single most overrated and overplayed piece by Haydn, whilst the piano arrangement (authorised by the composer but not by him) is adequate for personal use. Pay your money and go out of your way to hear the orchestral and choral versions; if you never hear the string quartet or piano arrangements in your lifetime, it really doesn’t matter.

[@pierpier7806]

Le ultime 7 parole son le ultime 7 note di Doloroso Amore in Terra di Gesù prima della Pasqua

[@carlorobertoferaci2365]

Eccelso! Composizione commissionata da un vescovo spagnolo. Musica da meditazione in quaresima. "Perdona loro perché non sanno quello che fanno".

[@josephglass6054]

58:22

[@fabiograssi670]

Muti è tra i pochi direttori che si accosta col dovuto impegno e coinvolgimento al grande FJH, le cui musiche sono eseguite abitualmente in modo orribile.

[@elaineblackhurst1509]

FJH ❌ JH ✅

[@Pietro93]

The name of the composer is:Franz Joseph Haydn. So FJH is correct.

[@elaineblackhurst1509]

@@Pietro93 The composer’s name is *Joseph Haydn;* baptismal names were never used - ever. Haydn on every single extant document, letter, score, or anythin* else signed himself most commonly Giuseppe (Italian form), or Joseph (German), or occasionally Josephus (Latin); he would be utterly bewildered by someone in the 21st century appending a redundant ‘Franz’ to his name. If you insist on FJH, then you must make yourself look equally absurd by insisting on JCWT Mozart - we don’t because we drop the ridiculous baptismals for Mozart, and obviously should do so for Haydn as well. It’s safer to know what you are talking about before trying to correct people who *do* know what they are talking about; it’s Joseph Haydn, and Wolfgang Amadeus (the Latin version of Theophilus) Mozart. Mozart too used the Italian form frequently, as on the top of the score of the ‘Paris’ symphony where he signs himself Wolfgango Amadeo Mozart; he occasionally used the French form as well. Thank you for your contribution which on reflection might be better deleted, or amended in order to bear a closer relationship to actual fact and thus be less misleading to anyone passing by.

[@Pietro93]

@@elaineblackhurst1509 I do not,have not and will not mislead anyone. On the internet you can find a number of articles whereby the name Franz Joseph Haydn is used. You have used the red cross and that is very strong. Of course I know that normally the name Joseph Haydn is used (I listen to music of Haydn more than 80 years) but to state that FJH is incorrect and is misleading other people is overdone! You are underestimating the intelligence of other people. You are also using too much words to be credible.

[@elaineblackhurst1509]

@@Pietro93 The composer’s name is *Joseph Haydn* as is evident on every single extant signature in the composer’s own hand; absolutely nobody refers to Mozart as Johannes Chrisostomus Wolfgang Theophilus Mozart using all his irrelevant baptismal names, so it is unclear why you wish to use them for Haydn - it is indefensibly absurd. If you wish to debate an issue, then I am happy to do so, but not based the collective ignorance of KZbin contributors who know no better.

[@andreagriseri7656]

45,39........Wagner!!!!