J.J. McCarthy a Bryce Young comp? Draft odds for Caleb Williams, Michael Penix Jr | NFL | THE HERD

Lance Zierlein is covering the NFL combine in Indianapolis, and he takes the time to join Colin Cowherd to break down his thoughts on this year's NFL draft class. He responds to Colin comparing Michigan quarterback J.J. McCarthy to Bryce Young, and answers whether he believes McCarthy's size will hold him back in the draft. He also talks the odds for Caleb Williams, and breaks down what concerns him about Washington quarterback Michael Penix Jr.
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J.J. McCarthy a Bryce Young comp? Draft odds for Caleb Williams, Michael Penix Jr | NFL | THE HERD
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[@skylimitkt]

He weighed in at the combine at 219! He has the frame to put on weight

[@mmlewis1030]

Yeah he's roughly the same size (ht/wt) that CJ Stroud was coming out of college

[@BK12344]

JJ is 6'3!!!!!!!! y'all complaining about his size as if he cant workout and gain weight over the yrs to come. Bryce Young cant change his height on top of being small.

[@nealgray4071]

Except for being different from Bryce Young in basically every single way, you gotta admit... they're twins!

[@grewaljag23]

Bryce young is 5'9 on a good day 175lbs

[@Texansfan59]

6"3 he is still young and can gain muscle weight sounds more like cj than bryce

[@TheOrangespider]

Josh Rosen is 6’4” and 227. The average nfl qb is 6’3” 225.

[@alfarabi73]

Two points in response. First, Cowherd is pretty unreliable when it comes to facts. So it's not always a good policy to rely on his factual claims. Second, in Cowherd's defense, listed weight and actual play weight are not always the same. Rosen did have a slighter frame that worried a lot of scouts - regardless of what he was listed at or perhaps measured at the Combine.

[@hooptherapist]

bro colin's switch up with jordan love is wild

[@jollysteffen]

Can people not change their opinion? Lmaooo

[@tjayd1225]

Called that man a backup after like 4 total games smh

[@extremeuzer3]

Yeah and Jordan love proved Colin wrong? So what is Colin supposed to do, pretend like Jordan love didn’t play well?

[@jonathanalverna6540]

Not a switch up. You must not watch Colin a lot.....

[@negative2positve380]

​@@jollysteffenno you cant completely trash a qb that you didnt even watch, have lazy takes then jump on the bandwagon.

[@cosoreal]

Nabors over MHJ?? Texans fan here… This is the same guy that said the Texans shouldn’t take Stroud last year. Thank God he’s not in our front office.

[@Notcherton]

hilarious how he acts like the Goff comparison was a compliment now

[@KingBirdy]

He also said Tyree Wilson over Will Anderson🤣

[@cosoreal]

@@KingBirdy 😂😂😂😂 I forgot about that

[@cosoreal]

@@Notcherton cant admit that he was way off with his initial CJ Stroud take… He has us “regressing” next year and missing the playoffs. He wants to be right so bad.

[@bhillis99]

Wild. The thing that sucks is the way may go to a team that has no buiss drafting them. It giants draft nabors his first year will be bad.

[@Random00Crap]

A lot of them aren’t 6’3. height Is the reason the other qbs didn’t pan out

[@shamelessdaddy8707]

EXACTLY Goff and Cousins and Foles and Rodgers and Ryan all slender

[@PD-we8vf]

Yep. And he just turned 21. Not like he’s 26 years old like Penix.

[@kft590]

He is 219lbs he weighs more than Nix and Penix so much for weighing 200lbs.

[@user-oy7ec1np8v]

Remember, they are only a ACL or MCL tear away from where are they now. . .

[@sluggotinfantryman]

At 168 I benched 340. These guys weigh 55 pounds more than me at 6 feet 168-175. 18-21. 55 POUNDS. And can dunk. 4.5 4.6 40 yard. I saw guys 6 4 255 run 9.9 9.8 hundred yard dashes during track season. One 9.3. Saw QBs throw 70 yards no problem. Guys, you never heard of. I saw T. O. in the weight room at UTC. And his first game. Buddy Nix was head coach. At Murray State Beamer Gottfried Zook. These guys are freaks. And only few hundred go to NFL.

[@zj4008]

Bro this Marv isn’t the number 1 WR is ridiculous. It’s the perfect example of prospect fatigue

[@PD-we8vf]

Yea, Fatigue just like your ohio defense got fatigued against JJ right? Hehe

[@kamadowoah4584]

I agree people are either trying to tank his stock or invent issues. He's such a rare prospect I think he's a near certainty to be a multi time all pro

[@paulleclaire8252]

He’s 6’3” and 21 years old. It wouldn’t be that hard to gain 15-20 lbs over the course of his career

[@abyssalvoid336]

He’s also 220 pounds

[@erikwitten3390]

How can you compare their bodies? JJ can put on weight, Bryce cant grow in height. Bryce young short af and has trouble seeing over the line. The height is his issue, not his weight.

[@landisreynolds8496]

6’3” 200lbs does not belong in the same conversation as Bryce young. And 6’3” is plenty big enough for an NFL quarterback

[@abyssalvoid336]

Bro actually weighed in at 219 he’s massive compared to Bryce

[@joshdarius5995]

220

[@bigfootwalker5399]

Stickman Football

[@landisreynolds8496]

@@bigfootwalker5399 lol that was the same size Deshawn Watson was out of college

[@user-ij7xv5xi4n]

Cowturd is clueless. The issue with Young is he is short. Just like 5.10 CW.

[@skylimitkt]

CW? Caleb is 6’1

[@RuNzWiThDooBiEs]

FOOTBALL IS WAY LESS PHYSICAL NOW. SMALL PLAYERS ARE NOT OUTLIERS THEY'RE THE FUTURE!

[@grbggaming6885]

They actually asked him to run an NFL style Pro offense. In fact, he's the most NFL ready QB in this class. He wore a wristband, had to diagnose defenses, personnel groupings, change plays, can go through a read progression, etc. He took what the defense gave him and made NFL throws with similar plays that are run in the pros. Capeb Williams would have a wide-open receiver or an easy hand-off on an RPO, and he would instead pull it and bail, taking sacks and throwing picks in the process. Bo Nix was the only other QB that could do similar things. Williams is definitely the most talented in this class, but JJ is more NFL ready .

[@grewaljag23]

The only thing Bryce and JJ will have in common is that they won't finish the rookie contract with the team that drafted them

[@Dave-nm8uf]

Colin just trying to make sure his boy Harbaugh gets all the credit for Michigan's success and run to a national championship.

[@travisoshea]

He is the reason for Michigans success and their matty win.

[@Gabriel-lm7jw]

Dude JJ is 220 lbs. get ur facts straight.

[@bollweevil8112]

How many big body QBs fail?

[@sluggotinfantryman]

JJ seems Bakerish only better. But Harbaugh has a way of making these guys better.

[@shimonhawkins13]

These guys are forgetting JJ's hockey background. He's tough as nails. 🏒🏈🏒🏈🏒🏈

[@brandonlegan7506]

Mhj is by far the best wr in the draft

[@lorenzoaguirre3449]

jared goff is thin, so what? if you can play that doesn´t affect you

[@shamelessdaddy8707]

Daniels is thinner and more reckless but Colin doesn't question that? There's some hater-ism with Colin towards JJ and he can't go with the hat backwards excuse so he's fabricating this slender critique but you never here him saying these types of things about string bean Jared Goff. He's going after JJ and he's so off on this take.

[@oskarramirez31415]

JJ isn't an nfl starter dude. But to be fair Idt Daniels will be good either

[@shamelessdaddy8707]

@@oskarramirez31415 What doesn't JJ do well enough to be an NFL starter?

[@PD-we8vf]

@@oskarramirez31415, wrong. You should stick with soccer Oskar Ramirez.

[@oskarramirez31415]

@@shamelessdaddy8707 he had a very simple offense to run so I don't know that he can process fast enough at the higher level. And his arm isn't impressive enough to overcome and cerebral shortcomings. But above all, this isn't my first year watching sports. What I mean by that is every year we argue about top qb prospects, most of them don't pan out, then we purposely forget we ever defended these guys when we realize they suck, then do it all over again with a new crop of qbs. Well I'm not doing that this year. I think Caleb is the only one of the top 5 qbs who will definitely be a starter in 5 years, with Maye and Penix on the bubble.

[@oskarramirez31415]

@@PD-we8vf Sorry I don't speak coward, talk to me with your chest little man.

[@paulcooper1046]

Semper Fi to Lance's father...💯

[@sluggotinfantryman]

Pennix can slay with the Rock and spring ball.

[@HyzersGR]

JJ is the same size and height as Aaron Rodgers. 219 lbs at the combine, not 200.

[@grbggaming6885]

McCarthy isn't huge but he's extremely tough. Was a hockey player from a young age. JJ is the most NFL ready QB in this class. The most talented? No. But he ran an NFL-style offense and had to make NFL-level decisions.

[@grbggaming6885]

JJ's already at 215. There's been plenty of smaller QB's than JJ that have played good football in the league

[@jonjhon8491]

JJ reminds me of Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes all in one 🤌

[@tjayd1225]

With a splish splash of Michael Vick running ability

[@UncleRicoOSU]

Jesus 🤦🏼‍♂️ You can always spot the Michigan fans.

[@aztronomy7457]

The delusion is astonishing 😂

[@sluggotinfantryman]

You have to take Pennix. Seattle should jump on him.

[@mattdunn7373]

Can't rate Lance Zierlein as an analyst. In the 2021 draft he had Trey Lance as his number 2 player because "he set his own protections in college." If that's what he's heavily weighting in evaluating quarterbacks he has no business doing it at all

[@aztronomy7457]

Why is this dude acting like Penix’s only good game was against Texas?

[@LeesTexan]

We will get to the point where teams will use AI to evaluate potential of ALL College players. AI will be able to pick the Brock Purdy types.

[@PD-we8vf]

How will ai be able to find purdy types?

[@Tyl3rTurner]

Penix is not 25 lmao

[@oscarbobo4733]

I really don't know what Zierlein is talking about with Drake Maye, what is he think he's seeming on film? This guy had Bryce Young AND Will Levis above Stroud, and had Richardson to the Ravens in the 20s (like 12 hours before the Ravens resigned Lamar). I'm not trying to armchair GM, but it seems like whatever Lance considers a highly graded QB doesn't actually translate into NFL success (like, at ALL). Nate Tice has been lights out on QB prospects for years, had Stroud 1 with a bullet last year, and is extremely high on Maye and low on Daniels (which makes me even more sure Lance needs to update his grading to 2024, or completely overhaul his process)

[@ThatFalloutGod]

Comparing JJ McCarthy to Bryce Young is football heresy. One's a perennial, all-time college QB who had one "bad year" with one of the worst coached teams in the league while having an awful OL. The other is an average at best college QB who never did anything in college of note.

[@austinshannon4197]

JJ McCarthy is by far the best college football player in history. Common sense says draft him first overall.

[@tommieboleman4699]

Maybe you should wait till the combined was over before you made those comments about his size play 6'3 220 so move on to a new subject stop causing controversy he's just as big as the other quarterbacks put that to rest now tell the truth stop spreading rumors

[@kirkpatrick5219]

he measured at 220 lbs

[@dahrugarner_1]

Sorry Colin, and I love 90% of your takes, but you are totally off on this one. J.J is currently at 219 and last year he begin the year over 220 and thought he came in too heavy/Muscular for his throwing game. Please meet him in-person and you’ll change this false narrative. He has thin frame that could easily get bigger, but isn’t necessary. He is bigger and faster than Jayden, Penix and Bo. Go watch this year combine and look at him next to these 3 QB’s. You are using his listed old weight 2021.

[@derekbell9610]

Gotta stop bagging on his size Colin 😂. Kid an athletic winner with legs and a sip of an arm!

[@UncleRicoOSU]

Size is important, but Colin is really oversimplifying things. And JJ McCarthy is not 6’3. I’d be surprised if he’s taller than 6’1

[@balzak2132]

Check his combine measurements. He's 74 1/2" inches and 219 lbs. Do the math genius. With cleats on he is well over 6'3". Nice try though.

[@bryanpotter3882]

Jj Mc carthey is a 2nd round draft pick

[@ektran4205]

JJ is alex smith

[@80s-el9vc]

5th or 6th round. He will be drafted as a Backup.

[@JimmyWashingtonII]

If mac Jones was a top 15 pick then

[@jonjhon8491]

​@@ektran4205That's just not true

[@PD-we8vf]

⁠@@ektran4205before or after his leg was broken in half?

[@jackson8303]

Lance Zierlien knows ball man

[@bangmateo7481]

Pause

[@mradam1282]

Jj sucks I pray we don’t draft him 🤦🏾‍♂️ he’s not an nfl qb

[@RunningWild.]

Mahomes damn sure ain't the biggest QB. He's 8yrs older and 20lbs heavier than JJ. Relax. He'll be fine.

[@sluggotinfantryman]

Everyone knows why Michigan won. And it wasn't JJ. Sorry.

[@leotorres4425]

lol Lamar Jackson slender, Jayden Daniels slender, Kyler Murray short and slender haha this guy is a joke

[@davidnelson6874]

A low end comp would be Zach Wilson. A high end comp is tougher because McCarthy hasn’t thrown all that many passes. It’s fashionable now to be on the McCarthy bandwagon. It seems to happen every other year that a quarterback gets a major hype train because his team won. McCarthy had the luxury of playing behind the best offensive line in the FBS. Zach Wilson had the luxury of playing behind easily the best offensive line in the Mountain West Conference. I’m not saying McCarthy will bust like I predicted Josh Rosen to bust, that was an easy call. I have no idea if McCarthy is ready for the NFL.

[@PD-we8vf]

Zack wilson is a loser. JJ will be a starter within a couple years.

[@brianwright4696]

He’s a taller Doug Flutie. On the Bears or Commanders he will such. Or NE. On Baltimore he’s way better than Lamar. His perfect team is Miami. He needs speedy quick WR like Tyreke or Kelce or Cupp or Addison or Debo. He can’t throw to Jordy Nelson, AJ Brown, or Steve Largent😅

[@fredbread7786]

Colin hates all the peasants his content is for.

[@Nick-bu6wy]

This guy does not know ball