J. Krishnamurti - Madras 1984 - Small Group Discussion 1 - Living is a constant movement

Madras (Chennai) 1984 - Small Group Discussion 1 - Living is a constant movement
Summary:
Would you agree that matter is solidified energy?
Knowledge is part of a material process, as thought.
When there is a recording process going on, knowledge is born.
Where there is movement there is also non-movement. When both run together harmoniously, life is something entirely different.
If there is no attachment, it does not mean lack of affection, love.
Freedom from attachment is death, non-movement.
Living and dying at the same time.
When there is gathering and letting go, there is no interval, it is constant movement. Holding separates the two. The holding is the ‘me’.
The holding makes the brain old and is a wastage of energy.
Note: One participant speaks in Hindi and is translated.
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[@mishadickerson1174]

Can someone kindly identify the other participants? Thank You.

[@KFoundation]

J. Krishnamurti, Radha Burnier, Pupul Jayakar, Achyut Patwardhan, Sunanda Patwardhan, Jagannath Upadhyaya

[@AD-kv9kj]

You missed out Larry, Moe and Curly.

[@zhizhi9138]

Respectful, intelligent and interesting conversation.

[@andrius00]

In the thumbnail, the dude looked like Einstain

[@sijufrancis9700]

@@andrius00 😄😄

[@shankerbhatt307]

Such a compassionate person JK was to spend last stages of his life with this group!

[@মাআছেআরআমিআছি]

Your opinion is one sided , that is towards krisnamurti , kindly listen carefully to pandit ji , he is very right in my opinion

[@paulvarghese508]

Both were sharing the same. Play of limitation of words only Beautiful

[@Gaurav.P0]

@@মাআছেআরআমিআছি Pandit ji is totally wrong because, he is not telling anything of his own experience. He is just repeating theories which he read from some books, and gurus. JK is telling everything out of his own experience. You can see Pandit ji had ego. Not listening to anyone.

[@vickychauhan2722]

Everything he knew and spoke about come from the culture these people HV evolved over thousands of years through such debates..

[@vickychauhan2722]

@@Gaurav.P0 everybody had ego there.. it was (I) the identity ego of jk that was talking.. what do u think was holding pandit ji's hand and not letting him speak even though he said it was theoretical and not his actual experience what he was saying it is vedantic philosophy.. he said that.. irony here is is whenever someone says what pandit ji's said it naturally become a theoretical and unreal otherwise there will be no self to say it.. that is paradoxical nature of it.. otherwise u HV be like Ramana maharishi in state of absolute silence.. only that absolute nothingness explains what pandit ji was saying..

[@sudhirjalawadi1532]

I may be wrong. Panditji may be right. Such a compassionate Master was amongst us. Wish everyone on earth comes across his teachings at earliest moment of their life. Then I say world will be different place.

[@nathanrosario4407]

The greatest advice “” forget your Buddhism “” (religion.)🙏

[@aryanrana8962]

the translation and all makes it all tense and suspenseful

[@arvindjeena]

I wish there wasn't such a barrier of language, so both teachers could realise they were in sync with each other. The translators/participants failed to bridge the gap. Pandit ji said, in the beginning - 'We are not old, of 60 years. It is the "knowledge"(the accumulated) that tell us we are of 60.' JK said in the end - 'The brain doesn't grow old - It is the "Self"(the accumulated) that tells us we have grown' This was never a debate, one should be aware, where one must lose, as Pupul Jayakar kept insisting to Pandit Ji 'You must admit'. It was a discussion, a dialogue where everyone got to learn something. Glad to have found this talk. 🙏

[@khatilkhan]

Pandit is only saying & not understanding it truly. It's theory only. Meaning he doesnt see this in day to day life. That is why JK said forget Buddhism. Exemple he said there is movement & non Movement & when JK give an exemple of the tide he could't see the connection to it. He has only read BUDDHISM AND IS HOLDING BUDDHISM/RECORDING/SELF. JK is simply impying that forget Buddhism and rediscover it yourself. Birth/DEATH again not holding it. Pandit is saying the right things but does't mean he lives by it.

[@krox477]

Brain grows old . In old age it is harder to learn new things

[@mavanijj]

Most beautiful talks I feel gratitude 👏👏👏❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@kuldeepupadhyay2092]

This is always happens when scholars and learned people talk to enlightened beings. They have gathered all the information from outside about something, but the enlightened souls like Krishnamurti ji directly speak from their experiences. He directly encounter with what is there while so called scholars lose their ability to perceive something directly as they already know everything. Here pundit ji not interested in knowing the truth, he simple wants the acknowledgement of krishnamurti ji for what he believes in. Only the mind which is free from the dust of knowledge and conditioning can experience the reality. This is the problem of people, they listen what they want to listen. Discussions are meant to find out what is truth not to convince someone about what we believe in.

[@Ultimate_TAO]

How Beautiful of Your Comment.....🙏🙏

[@AGRahman-i1t]

Agree... 😊

[@badechhoteaurunkeyar142]

Problem of translation

[@texastexas4541]

JK was not enlightened. He always said that, and he rejected that concept totally. JK understood the basic functioning of the brain at a much broader and deeper level than most of us. He was able to do that because he studied diverse systems in a more focused and deeper way. he did not allow traditions etc affect his learning. Most of us are always busy trying to defend our position, rather than learning. Learning requires tremendous attention and listening. Most people ae bad listeners. Most people want everything delivered quickly in an effective manner, without upsetting their Ego and preconditioning.

[@Carlos-t6n3m]

​@@texastexas4541 was krishnamurti enlightened?? it's definitely subjective. From his lectures I perceive that he never spoke at a level of an enlightened being because he always tried to stay at the regular level to explain things at our level which is very inferior , basically our level is "hell level" because of all our defects (7 capital sins) . Krishnamurti knew our potential, but also knew of the almost impossibility to open our eyes to our potential. Just like Jesus Christ said "we will die in our sins" , our defects make us blind and krishnamurti knew it so that's why he was more into talking about our Psychology , he told us all the trash we have in our consciousness is our consciousness, in other words our consciousness is 100% corrupted from there the almost impossibility to understand Krishnamurti, he was just hoping for the miracle, Mother Mary 🙏💖 pray for us sinners

[@KripiMehra]

It becomes very intelligent after 58:00, love it.

[@forsaken6658]

you saw till that!!

[@stuartporteous7762]

Also simple

[@ordinary9425]

Wait ,wait ,wait ,wait ,wait before you jump !!!

[@naveen9984]

Thanks for saving my time

[@Ultimate_TAO]

​@@forsaken6658😅 Yes she has Patience...

[@rezaboustanchi1055]

Very interesting, love JK His Arguments are very simple and exactly.

[@rajindergoyal9990]

Great personality great discussion love you all

[@003APR]

Best example of how mediums impact on reality!

[@003APR]

It would have been great if both could have talked directly with each other without translators

[@NatAnnSch]

I'm glad Krishnamurti didn't listen to Pupul Jayakar urgings (at the end) to stop. He was on a roll and was very enlightening.

[@Gaurav.P0]

This pandit ji conversation is causing pain in my brain cells. 🤥

[@prakashthakur7792]

Wonderful discussion.And the end was fabulous when J.K. said "time is becoming" and before that he had said "holding is the self". Therefore nature of the self is stillness and it's core or essence is in being not in becoming.

[@kushagr7132]

🤣you understood all this by diluting it with your ideas and older understandings Becoming is not continuous change Becoming is knowing(knowledge) ,and trying to be like that or towards that {He is talking about mind's experience of time, how mind experience it, not the time in concept of physics}

[@kushagr7132]

And he said holding is time

[@derbaertigeelf6669]

@@kushagr7132 and you didnt do the same? What i see here are many aspects of truth...in both of you. Just see, not analyze and therefore divide.

[@krox477]

You can't define this

[@arkark7769]

panditji is one real crazy man... Hats off to their patience with this man!!

[@ajaydabral5672]

greatful to watch krishnamurti while the whole talk

[@ikohi5517]

Jk such a humble person.

[@kuldeepupadhyay2092]

The only beautiful thing in this discussion is when Krishna ji said " would you ask them politely to forget all about Buddhism and talk as a human being". I can't stop laughing..

[@dharmazhu3138]

You right, they are disconnected with J Krishnamurti’s explanation so they are brought army of Buddha's words to match compete the balance equivalent of J Krishnamurti's words, but Krishnamurti remains calm, sober, relaxed and fully wise in response to the somewhat lopsided chatter. 😄

[@sreenivasulureddyp546]

Recording (mind is storing) x Non-recording (mind is absent) Living (movement of life) x Death (ideal state)

[@aprk]

We need an Indian version of David Bohm for the Panditji.

[@ThinkAstro]

What pandit Ji is saying is what contemporary science is telling us today.

[@bravenewworld8464]

Verry intelligent Indian scholars seems puzzled before Simple Indian Man. JK S explanations are straight.

[@kailashchandratrivedi6928]

The problem is translation..

[@christianhertel2533]

Gracias por subir este material 🙏

[@madhurchavada4303]

40 minutes in and what i understood is that, Panditji has spent his entire life studying the theories & knowledge of "Buddhism" which is seen as he is trying to explain all those things using particular terminology, it is hard for him to challenge his strongly held paradigms and discuss all those things leaving aside what he has been studying for almost all his life, because the man has spent his whole life studying & mastering one particular thing, for Panditji it is the ultimate truth, hence he is not able to let go of his beliefs because for him to let go of his beliefs is similar to letting go of the efforts he put in studying all of it throughout his life, and letting go of the efforts directly implies that the time & energy he invested in something was not actually the truth (i.e: waste of life for him) hence he is sticking by his views very solidly trying to defend the value & validity of "his knowledge"

[@SevasGuitar]

Easy to get the idea for us now because of our civilization like the internet and books, at that time it must be very hard to understand simple concepts.

[@nikhilkrishnan9]

what pandit is saying is that movement exists only when we know about the movement or the fact that we are moving or has moved are known by us. The moment there is no knowledge about the movement there is no movement !!! i completely agree with him on this point !!

[@Ninja04051]

You have no knowledge about movement of tectonic plates but it's moving every second . Not having knowledge of movement doesn't matter it's not happening....it means you are just too numb to know about it

[@khatilkhan]

Pandit is only saying & not understanding it truly. It's theory only. Meaning he doesnt see this in day to day life. That is why JK said forget Buddhism. Exemple he said there is movement & non Movement & when JK give an exemple of the tide he could't see the connection to it. He has only read BUDDHISM AND IS HOLDING BUDDHISM/RECORDING/SELF. JK is simply impying that forget Buddhism and rediscover it yourself. Birth/DEATH again not holding it. Pandit is saying the right things but does't mean he lives by it.

[@mohammedirfan8027]

Always beautiful

[@ArunKumar-fo7pi]

What make brain old is to hold... Simple

[@rl3920]

I feel so sorry for this pandit ji..

[@VeganVijay]

Both are right about movement and non movement.... Jk is saying that life is a movement from body point of view... Pandit ji is saying there is no movement from the point of view of the ultimate(non dual truth).

[@devaa.sounds5730]

exactly but if start from point of view of ultimate what use does it have to a common man who is stuck in time . its all just fantasy . isnt it ? i think the purpose of discussion should be made clear .. is it from point of view of common man or ultimate .. .

[@OrdinaryPersonah]

yes but how can you start the conversation from pov of the unltimate when you yourself have never been that. which means you can only give intellectual ideas which is not your own truth. jk is starting the conversation as a way to explore and find out of yourself. panditji's pov is not his own so he should not speak all that if he has not experienced it himself. in simple words panditji's knowledge of buddhism seems to be the resistance to his own exploration.

[@deepakmurari6603]

Krishnaji said that we live and die at the same time, move n don't move simultaneously, Panditji also said that we live in moments and movement is only in brain as we live n die at the same moment.

[@curioustroublemaker5120]

The lady sitting in the chair is very impatient and jumps to conclusions. Panditji will have a hard time understanding the simple language because of the conditioning, don’t be hard on him, it’s not his fault.

[@trishnatravelogue]

Great people 🙏

[@sunilkumarmv1013]

Sir.. Is there any goodness to common people by this kind of great people....

[@HappinessBecomesPermanent]

Problem is what Panditji is saying is not being translated correctly to JK....pandit ji is absolutely right in saying that movement is in memory and experience cannot be movement as experience implies the present.....JK is saying the same but from a perspective that it is not simple and easy to conceive it that way.....Not an expert but I think words are deceiving when it comes to spiritual knowledge....bottom line is you either know or you don't....explaining it is a problem

[@rickyrakesh9999]

memory is not movement but thought is experience arises due to memory stored in brain

[@SurajLamichhane]

whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.

[@SurajLamichhane]

oh also they were just lacking the concept of what "simulation" is. simulation cannot be physical, it's a representation emerging out of the physical network of information or oscillations, or in this discussion "movement". and a physical system cannot be conscious, only a simulation can be.

[@starseeding4725]

@@SurajLamichhane L.W

[@yogi5573]

What makes the brain old is the holding. So much true. Die everyday. !!!!

[@balaramram9902]

Movement is life and non- movement is death... Both going simultaneously there is recording and non recording....attachment and non attachment... That's all

[@kuldeepupadhyay2092]

It is almost impossible for pundits to remain silent and listen something.

[@fretlesssmilemore8905]

JK:World famous yet, such humility🏵

[@kumarpankaj3752]

Translation is create confusion always between in enlightenment and knowledge

[@megiMove]

This is kind word for me that these Buddhist doesn't understand this basic wisdom and knowledge. Makes u wonder what they really have done all these years.. and that ego of the Buddhist was pretty big. This is pretty simple and straightforward knowledge. Movement and non movement. Remembering and forgetting. Sound and silence. Living and dying.

[@umaranirethinavelu5812]

As JK says you live and die at the same time through your own existence. The dying comes when you hold on to a thought and never move on

[@kailashchandratrivedi6928]

Not really.. That buddhists words were not translated correctly.. And neither the words of K were translated correctly to buddhist.. I can testify they both are on same page..

[@avdheshpandy5981]

Super work

[@hemantkhare5545]

If not for Krishnamurthy this life would be an utter waste

[@bobbynaidu100]

So great It is Hard to explain to grassroots people like the Pundit

[@DrRamandeep]

Both are right. Language was the main hindrance there. The translators are not enthusiastic in translating neutrally.

[@hemantkhare5545]

Is insight a material process ! I think pandit means insight by Gyan and these people are translating it to knowledge to Krishnamurti and he is not getting it.

[@dr.shardakusum9293]

Bikul sahi kaha aapne

[@dr.shardakusum9293]

Actually they dont want to agree with Pandit ji

[@winterapplegamingYT203]

@@dr.shardakusum9293 no no! They just don't want to make it theoretical as panditji is making from all that Buddhist knowledge.

[@fabrisoto]

🌹👏🏽🌹👏🏽🌹👏🏽🌹

[@sunnycriti9809]

Indians are intellectually clever but not the great people of bygone ages. JK was beyond these intellectuals

[@vickychauhan2722]

Jk was also one of those great Indian..

[@gentiantafa4619]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@sandeepkark]

there is the confusion created in the translation. also I am not sure Buddhist expert is clear on what he is trying to say.

[@simranjeetsingh4641]

Krishnamurti is so compassionate that answering the questions of the pandit ( an utter fool ) and the pandit is not listening at all carefully , that is the symptoms of perfect fools and egoistic people . And none of his questions are his own, he's just speaking what he had borrowed from the scriptures .

[@asimsuwal7661]

True

[@BharatParikh333]

IMHO the comment is a little harsh and not true. I think a lot of what the Pandit guy said, in the beginning, was just articulated differently at a later point in time during the talk by the K guy. It came across to me as a disagreement created because of the choice of words by the speakers in the given context of their languages. I think, in gist, they were trying to convey the same thing.

[@sadiq0]

Do we really understand him? Aren’t we not any different from punditji anyway? He maybe conditioned by the scriptures he learned. And we have our own history and manners of conditioning, haven’t we? We can all pretend to understand K a degree better than punditji to boost our ego. But in truth we are not any better off than him. Probably K himself is talking nonsense and we are all agreeing to him like the people in the story of “emperor’s new clothes “! :) Just kidding. Like K said I just wanted to make sure that I am not blindly following him.

[@nikhilkrishnan9]

that pandit is not a fool at all, infact what he is pointing out is that reality is complete in itself in the moment. The fact that one moves only happens when he knows that he is moving, so basically what exists is the knowledge of movement and not movement. I wish both of them could speak fluently in a language that they both knew, communication is lost while translating.

[@susmitabillore7678]

Don't call him fool

[@rajnm6944]

Both are saying same things. It is cleared from 1.15 min onwards. However, language, translation and mediator are portraying someone is intelligent and another is not. See it without bias. Thanks

[@curious1731]

Simple thought is an energy and energy is matter..also anything formed out of material substances can never be non material.

[@kshitiztamang9573]

That finger part.. though... m death.. lol

[@harim6401]

Panditji mistakes the word 'chit' with the process of knowing. How humble JKJi is! "Keep it simple", He says to us. Things come and go, when I hold on there arise,time,ego....

[@silence1739]

First thing pandit ji has no their own experience. He is just talking on the basis of Buddhism. Second thing is jkrishnmurti has his own experience...

[@RGRRGRRGR]

Gathering and letting go. Gathwring and letting go. Tide in, tide out So there is no problem but peoblem ia in holding, Holding ia the self. Memory, .wowo!wow!!wow!!!

[@surajgavhane6942]

1:19:11 do you see the beauty of it..!

[@aash2009aash]

I LOVE KRISHNAMURTI! Pandit Ji jordar aadmi hai, par ye nahi samajh paare ki ye log krishnamurti ko dekhne aaye hai pandit ji ko nahi. haha!

[@aash2009aash]

hahahahaha !! Still he seems interesting person,the guy is debating with JK .. :D :D

[@AjayKumar-pn5yy]

haha i think pandit ji is so funny... 😂😂

[@winterapplegamingYT203]

Nah panditji didn't observe those things in himself he's just talking based on the Buddhist knowledge.

[@hydermoosvi7895]

A very good argument by Panditji it was said by Ramana Maharshi as well exact same thing. K is using the term movement in reality but Panditji is declining the idea of movement in actuality which is true therefore there is no movement at all in ones life Panditji is saying it's a psychological movement mind is everything that's my conclusion after listening I maybe wrong.

[@prasukjain8107]

I think one thing that punditji sayed was right, that without 5 senses thougjt cannot arise.

[@silence1739]

Pandit ji ego is being broken by jk

[@vickychauhan2722]

I can't believe pandit ji is making sense.. he is speaking the highest knowledge. other sitting there are not able to understand what he is saying and explain in English properly.. jiddu LL be able to understand him but language barrier is there..

[@winterapplegamingYT203]

He's simply saying from teachings. I quite get what panditji was saying. But he's disagreeing with jk and telling the same thing a little twisted after half the video.

[@khatilkhan]

Pandit is only saying & not understanding it truly. It's theory only. Meaning he doesnt see this in day to day life. That is why JK said forget Buddhism. Exemple he said there is movement & non Movement & when JK give an exemple of the tide he could't see the connection to it. He has only read BUDDHISM AND IS HOLDING BUDDHISM/RECORDING/SELF. JK is simply impying that forget Buddhism and rediscover it yourself. Birth/DEATH again not holding it. Pandit is saying the right things but does't mean he lives by it.

[@skoobee6765]

Atleast Panditji is honest in saying all this seems theoretical, most K's listeners just pretend that they are not listening to him theoretically.

[@Sureshkumar-jg1er]

Language is not a barrier. Be aware, nothing else. What JK said or what Pundit J said. may be same. I listen to this conversation start to end. Enjoy but sometimes laughing, irritating.

[@livinglife3352]

Pandit ji is not accepting that the "knowledge as matter" He is trying to distinguish knowledge and experience..

[@dharmazhu3138]

When I saw this Small Group Discussion, I laughed to myself, a very contrasting discussion man who is rich with understanding (JK) and other who is poor understanding (PANDITJI). 🤪🙃🤣

[@kuldeepupadhyay2092]

Exactly you are right. Both are very confused people they themselves don't know what exactly they want to know.

[@clodhopper-dodo]

Pupil jaikar is asking a very commonplace question. A layman like me cam answer. Space, time, matter are all related to thought, consciousness which is the movement in time. They bind us and the me is manifestation of the three.

[@randomawareness5952]

❤️

[@synchronicity67]

Lol.. u shld seriously remove this vid from yr channel unless you want to show this as a an eg of wat a krishnamurti dialogue shld not be like!! Hats off to K for being so patient with them

[@niclasslev4982]

to be AND not to be wanted the answer!!

[@dravidhemanth]

JK: Life is movement and non-movement, meaning: There is constant birth of acts and deaths of it, when you have the memory it becomes a container for the act to stay. This very memory is the self. If there is no memory then there is no self, hence there is only movement and non-movement, nothing to hold the act, this is life, this is living. Thus if we have memory, then we have self and so we are not living.

[@umaranirethinavelu5812]

And your explanation starts with the core basic question of the self, Who am I

[@krox477]

You can't live without memory

[@Shraddhanshu_Shekhar]

This is bad Buddhism 😀 1:01:43 😛 The pandit is not listening Krishnamurti. He is translating into his Buddhism. That's not Buddhism of Buddha.

[@Radheshyam-uh6qg]

You know the history of Buddhism pushed of by Vedanta in India? 😁 Same was repeated here

[@sreenivasulureddyp546]

Whenever the group of people started suffixing "ism" to their thoughts which had boundaries, at that point itself intellectual civilization lost its basic knowledgeable experience.

[@soleknight3212]

I don't know how K put up with the intrusions of the egos around him in this video. Awful

[@SudhirDudeja]

we all are in some way.

[@মাআছেআরআমিআছি]

Where are u seen ego , Panditji is right in my opinion , he gives his light. Listen carefully , without one sideness .

[@edgarrocha6140]

JK at 1:19:00 "The holding is the nature of the self" - That's all.

[@aliveli-hq6zk]

profound

[@umaranirethinavelu5812]

Truly beautiful is it not to finally come to this point by JK. Nature itself has no time only we man live within the bond of time we created and of which we suffer. Birthdays, anniversaries and celebrations can never be celebrated as they cannot simply exist but yet humans fool themselves for sake of ego... I am that

[@krox477]

Holder and holding

[@venugopalbaswaraju2513]

🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@asimsuwal7661]

The guy is constantly translating and interpreting what krishnamurti is saying into his preconceptions and knowledge. He cannot see the simple structure of Krishnamurti's sentences. Let alone reality.

[@vittorioa1668]

Its a very long way of coming to the conclusion of why we are here. Let me simplify it. We are Consciousness - definition - anything that can make a choice between this and that, period. This so called reality, is a virtual reality. There is no time, space, matter, its all information, similar to a computer game. This virtual reality was created to further our Collective Consciousness, a process of evolution. The formula for evolving is Unconditional Love. Unconditional Love is defined as - Total Acceptance, not to be confused with like or dislike, but acceptance of all life. Acceptance assists with the elimination of fear, self-centredness and beliefs, the 3 elements for human suffering, which I have coined as the "Triangle of suffering". In short, we logged into this virtual reality in order to continue the process of our Collective Evolution for our collective survival. Without evolution, we remain stagnant and die, this is evident in any evolutionary system. Therefore, unconditional Love and all its virtuous deeds is the model/formula for our Collective survival and our day to day interactions provide us with the opportunity to practice this. Therefore, with the right intent we work toward becoming loving Beings. This will make our world a kinder, more caring and peaceful world.

[@evanparker5400]

Interesting. You say there is no "logging out?" But to play the game with complete attention?

[@evanparker5400]

The fundamental question, can there be a death that does not also remove us from the movement of life? This is what is meant by my movement and non-movement coexisting?

[@rockyrai7314]

Organic food for soul without even chewing.

[@coolalanc]

living is movement , death is non movement...everyone is like trying really hard to come up with some argument to counter that..

[@tooshallpass]

I see a very visible miscommunication between Panditji and the rest of the group. They seem to have similar ideas but differ in their definitions of the words. Wish K and Panditji could have communicated without the language barrier.

[@drmth8580]

I am forced to comment on this why this video the jewel in coal mine

[@RAM-o6h1t]

there should have been good translator

[@noone5461]

What is the name of this yellow long slive shirt? I saw a shirt and desire was born : )

[@TheIgnoredPoet]

Feeling bad for Pandit ji. He is not being given enough chance to express himself. As he starts to say anything, J Krishnamurti interrupts and shifts the discussion to something new. Also, lack of good translator is also causing waste of time. Pandit ji was so damn true. But since he said things in Hindi, wasn't given due recognition.

[@khatilkhan]

Pandit is only saying & not understanding it truly. It's theory only. Meaning he doesnt see this in day to day life. That is why JK said forget Buddhism. Exemple he said there is movement & non Movement & when JK give an exemple of the tide he could't see the connection to it. He has only read BUDDHISM AND IS HOLDING BUDDHISM/RECORDING/SELF. JK is simply impying that forget Buddhism and rediscover it yourself. Birth/DEATH again not holding it. Pandit is saying the right things but does't mean he lives by it.

[@WhiteMetal_]

*Unfortunately this was* *directionless*

[@sherry6404]

Without time there is no knowledge. Knowledge is based on the past. Gathering of experience. I see that they are not grasping the fundamentals

[@medar5186]

Thought is not a material. Because if we say thoght is material, mind also be material. Mind and matter are not different- all material process. We need matter-sense organs to know outter world. We cannot say thought is matter just beacuse thought depends on matter.

[@tk-wk1wx]

👍👍👍

[@kuldeepupadhyay2092]

Body is the visible soul and soul is the invisible body. We are a psychosomatic structre.

[@karunakarrao8035]

May I know the introduction of eminent persons taking part in this discussion?

[@bravenewworld8464]

Laft side JK is Nandini Mehta. Right on chair Pupul Jaykar, Opposite Achut Patwardhan, questioner is Pandit Din Dayal Upadhyay. I guess so.

[@errol-ih4jy]

the lady in this video, seems to try to trick Krishnamurti, I have seen her before, with her stupid comments, and she is so stubborn in her thinking, that if she doesn't get the answer she wants, she argues the fact, going round in circles.

[@AjayKumar-pn5yy]

i agree.... over smart she is

[@soleknight3212]

She had a huge ego in my view

[@dhyananubhav2955]

There are two ladies from which one u r pointing out sitting on the chair or on the ground?

[@mightyaxis3123]

Who is the guy with glasses?

[@ngawangjigmedh]

Pandit jyi is talking objetively so therefore no movement at all in object...and krishna ji talking subjectively as moment (the thought)and none movement ( true nature of thought) are there simultenosly....

[@KGRAO2047]

Zen says who are two others in discussions with JKM

[@defeatedpoet6377]

Krishnamurti said that if you have hurt me. It's an experience. And it's become knowledge. When it is recorded and stored in the brain it considers as knowledge. But I don't think it's knowledge it just information though the information is a very small part of knowledge.

[@aek12]

You can see yourself, your rigid presuppositions of language what is stopping you from understanding. See that in yourself, close your eyes and listen to him as a mirror to yourself.

[@Physics14728]

35:47 😂 very funny