J. Krishnamurti - San Diego 1974 - Conversation 12 - Love, sex and pleasure

J. Krishnamurti - San Diego 1974 - Conversation 12 - Love, sex and pleasure
Summary:
Q: What is love?
Is love pleasure, the expression of desire? Is love the fulfilment of sexual appetite?
Is love the pursuit of a desired end? Is love a thing that can be cultivated?
Love has been identified with sex which means, basically, with pleasure. Why have we made sex such an enormous, fantastic, romantic, sentimental affair? What is the relationship of joy, enjoyment and pleasure to love?
To come upon this thing called love you must understand the place of pleasure. A mind that has been trained, sustained in this rotten social conditioning must first free itself before it can talk about love.
---
This channel is managed by the Krishnamurti Foundation Trust​​, UK​, and by the Krishnamurti Foundation of America.
The role of the foundations was described by Krishnamurti when he said,​ ​'The foundations will see to it that these teachings are kept whole, are not distorted, are not made corrupt. They will not give rise to any sectarian spirit in their activities... nor create any kind of place of worship around the teachings or the person.​'​
We maintain extensive archives of Krishnamurti's original works and all four Krishnamurti foundations are actively engaged in the publication of material in various forms.
Our videos contain thousands of subtitles in more than 25 languages, translated by volunteers from all over the world. If you would like to help us with translating subtitles, please contact us at [e-mail]
For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:
International Site - www.jkrishnamurti.org/
Facebook - / jk.krishnamurti
Twitter - / orgkrishnamurti
Krishnamurti Foundation Trust, UK - www.kfoundation.org/
Krishnamurti Foundation of America - www.kfa.org/
Krishnamurti Foundation of India - www.kfionline.org/
Fundación Krishnamurti Latinoamericana - www.fkla.org/
This organization is a registered charity. Registered charity number: 312865
© 1974 Krishnamurti Foundation of America

[@nora-fm7he]

he who kisses joy as it flies, lives to see eternity's sunrise

[@dereiswurfel2837]

Beautiful

[@adityakharade9868]

Are you a poet?

[@jerrincherian3659]

@@adityakharade9868 that means u haven't watch the entire video , Look @40:05

[@pawankumarbatra5331]

Watching this person speak and understand it completely and correctly is much more and beyond enlightenment

[@Thomas-wk5ll]

@@adityakharade9868 it's a William Blake poem

[@endless2804]

"Love is, after all, a sense of total absence of belief.' Profound beyond measure. I wonder how humans can live a life within these pure abstractions.

[@The_Primary_Axiom]

A true enlightened person. Another level of consciousness.

[@luantonthat7953]

Cuộc nói chuyện tuyệt vời nhất từng được nghe.

[@jswootheblackscreen]

How confident he is..is tremendously lovable.

[@abs7686]

that's his clarity of life not confidence...

[@toantranthanh8657]

K quá rõ ràng, minh mẫn, đơn giản thực tế và tràn đầy tình yêu thương đối với toàn thể sự sống!

[@smile4today1]

I’ve been listening 👂1-12 talks and such opening. Beauty to passion to suffering to acting to seeing to hearing. Distinction not division it’s a movement alive. . To total understanding in attending 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 thank so much for putting these videos up for a wholesome humanity in harmony! 🥰

[@Zara-um1nx]

This is very true thank you so much ❤❤

[@kamaurahamukti5919]

BRILLIANT BRILLIANT BRILLIANT 🙏🏽✨

[@pratikpatil6342]

Love is after all total absence of me 🍀 When the me is not, the love is 😌

[@The_Primary_Axiom]

When the me is not the other is.

[@patrisagar6548]

@@The_Primary_Axiom what does this mean? Can you explain?

[@badwings4611]

@@patrisagar6548 I think he means when the me is not, there is compassion for other.

[@dawidwenderski9097]

@@patrisagar6548 The "me" means EGO. Find out what ego is. When You understand it in yourself with all destructable things it making, You will end it. And when destructable things is overr from Your act, than You will act only with that intelligance all over the time, opereting always in "now".

[@eu5969]

Can a man who is ambitious love? Therefore, finish with ambition! But they won't, they want both. Thank you for your love, K.

[@padeshan1]

I'm going thru this series the 2nd tme. I will go through it again n again. Te seed has been planted. Lets wait to germinate

[@renukatandon7463]

We all need to be truthful and humble like Anderson whenever we truly learn something that is LIFE CHANGING.thanks K.

[@elenol1310]

I like how at 17:15 K talks about the simplicity of love and me thinking he just said the most raidical thing ever! He was truly on the other lever💚👏

[@user-yd2xn9yk4n]

Wow, thanks for the conversation, that's great!

[@thuytiensw]

god, i wish i watch this 3 years ago

[@ahmedelectobri1164]

Profound 🙏

[@OrdinaryPersonah]

love is intelligence wow, so simple but never heard it before

[@hrishikeshsarma965]

Great great great .. simply great explanation by JK .

[@tharunkumar3481]

OMG ! K has hit the bull's eye again. 53:05, We don't want be alone or isolated, and yet we do all things to isolate ourselves, I want to be successful than others, I want to be seen a better person than others.

[@Gaurav.P0]

Yes Tarun...That sentence gave me goosebumps.

[@pawankumarbatra5331]

After listening to sh j krishnamoorty I have come to know that we all are living in a world of corrupt materialistic illusion and we are the illusion nothing more nothing less

[@finaldestination813]

matrix

[@Gaurav.P0]

That World is not different than you. Me is World World is Me. It is my responsibility to change myself.

[@krox477]

The world is not different you

[@ashutoshpanigrahi5371]

❤️🙏❤️

[@zeademad5459]

I even stopped watching must of tv shows and movies coz it's all about killing and drugs and sex nothing really profound

[@ranginkamoonebirang1009]

@@Omelas1799 i think the comedy shows are the most harmful ones cuz they program us by laughter . and that's more dangerous cuz they make us laugh at the pain of others in the name of comedy

[@finaldestination813]

@@Omelas1799 those so called comedy shows are nothing but double meaning sex lines

[@zhizhi9138]

It is programming

[@zhizhi9138]

@@finaldestination813 The word “ comedy” itself has an interesting meaning Is it co+ med ( something medical)? Or Is it com( communism) + ed ( education)

[@Klhappiness]

Love is total cessation of me Unless we understand it's depth it is a word..❤❤

[@leilamobasserii]

❤️❤️❤️

[@invariablyliveliness8278]

I would be happy if I heard even his words when video going on but it got muted..🤗

[@user-vh1xf3zc9z]

Love = no hurt

[@navneetraj3800]

Also, not forgiveness

[@ramongomez8849]

🙏🏻

[@theuofs]

Conventionally, love is the supreme satisfaction or fulfillment of wants, desires, and cravings (the feeling of physical and/or psychological pleasure). Unconventionally, love is the feeling of pure joy one experiences in the presence of true freedom (from thought and beliefs - from the ego).

[@yacovmitchenko1490]

I notice that Krishnamurti often emphasizes "seriousness". That is legitimate and to be upheld - up to a point. Bear in mind, though, that seriousness can also be an obstacle to insight or great breakthroughs. Have you not heard the expression "The reason angles can fly is because they don't take themselves so seriously"? The point is that a certain lightness of spirit is needed for insight.

[@Gaurav.P0]

Krishnamurti' definition of seriousness is different than what we know. I think, he mean by seriousness is to be "aware". To remain passionate and completely aware of yourself.

[@ThomiX0.0]

question yourself the following: is the thought of a dictator 'serious'? it obviously isn't , does it? His actions taken from his faulty ideas are serious, but he was not serious in knowing himself..which causes the effects. :-)

[@thejvmaster]

❤

[@SirisenaHerath-tr7uw]

Pleasure seeker while seeking pleasure tries to avoid pain. This activity of psyche never ever succeeds because two sides are the same coin. K presents this as an actuality by really embracing it.

[@lightyagami7422]

Tout est en moi, tout vient de moi, tout part de moi.

[@rishabhdhir7]

Believe On

[@sylviagung1007]

"Exploring with intellect? Or using the word, "Love" as a mirror and see myself, in relation, reflected in this mirror...?

[@AnthonyHoward-ru8su]

I reflect on what is being said and find myself to have more love for Krishnamurti than for Dr Anderson because of accumulated experience familiarizing myself with Krishnamurti's mannerisms that leave Dr Anderson less loved because I am less familiar with his ways...I don't know how to manage my way through this obstacle of personal preference

[@sylviagung1007]

"How can a human being do such thing"... K says. And those "human beings" have such the same idea, but do things as "such thing" worse, more cruel than all other animal species. Where does this idea that humans are to differently behave ... come from? Could it really mean in the degrees than the behavioral differences ... more cruel, powerful than the rest in the animal kingdom? The idea that mankind is supposed to be different from all other animal species maybe is a part of the evolution that went into the brain but hasn't yet made its way to the heart. Where is the connector or what could have been blocking it?

[@MandeepKumar-tn1mk]

Can you see the real love in JK's eyes!!

[@The_Primary_Axiom]

True passion and love.

[@grosbeak6130]

What are you really saying? Would Krishnamurti say such a thing about himself, that if you would just look into his eyes you would see real love? No. You see sir you're just merely saying a poetical statement.

[@adityakharade9868]

I can

[@dip7984]

Can see tremendous care ....

[@aryaprince13]

Most of the people are after bodies they don't care they just want to fulfill their desires their urges through bodies ( people are mad at sex they lie , they betray , give psychological trauma to others just for sex ) That is horrible 😞😞

[@patrisagar6548]

56:05 but he said earlier he doesn't know what he would do if a question like that is asked and he asks the same kind of question to Allan.

[@arjitsinghbhadouria9632]

in the second he elaborates why he doesn't know what he will be. because that would be determined by intelligence and senses.

[@Gaurav.P0]

The situation itself will tell you what to do....if you are sensitive and attentive. That attention = intelligence = sensitive.

[@prabhatkiranchaulagain1095]

After OSHO, There Is J. Krishnamurti. As OSHO said, Krishnamurti was far greater than Christ and Socrates. He did not want to create a discipleship commune that's why he couldn't impact the world to the fullest potential. Nevertheless, J.Krishnamurti was endorsed as an Enlightened Being by OSHO, So I listen to him sometimes.

[@vamshikrishna7647]

39:30 enjoy

[@munafalihashmi4893]

I have a question, isn't plants living creatures? Killing them won't be equal to killing another living creature?

[@rishabhchadha3652]

Plants dont have central nervous system so atleast they dont feel pain.

[@vijay10la50]

Yes, plants are living organisms. That's why it's stated for us to pray prior to consuming a meal. Unfortunately, it's now become pray to God! which is incorrect.

[@krox477]

Nope plants are alive even if you prick them out of ground

[@bikram_jha]

4:57 successful lover 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@sushamabelachoudhari7278]

Perfect explanation of cross symbols, wipe out the I

[@prashant4129]

16:40, 25:15

[@pareshmaniyar8273]

What is the place of pleasure?

[@Manuel-zz1nz]

4:49 17:15

[@Valkonnen]

On the other hand, all of this introspection might take all of the fun out of life. I don't think that Krishnamurti ever truly relaxed or had fun. While some may let religion or some other thing prevent that, I think that in his case, his overthinking things that could stagnate a person just by the very action of thinking about them. There is something to be said for both spontaneity AND indulgence in the things that make us smile.

[@stephendarby9611]

I’ve thought this on occasion aswell, but maybe that’s like the belief we have as children that our teachers go home and wait for school to start the next day. It’s hard to imagine him outside of the environment of these talks, but I’ll bet he knew how to enjoy himself

[@shubhamchauhan1893]

This introspection isn't analysis borne.. Analysis would be the domain of thought. And all thought is the past and that is the broad point of K, to be free of the past and of all our conditionings. It's sheer awareness and in awareness there is no labor.. Only joy. Happiness and pleasure are worthless in front of joy

[@Zscor27]

@@shubhamchauhan1893 pleasure isnt the same as happiness. You saying happiness is worthless means you have not watched K enough to understand the word. Happiness=freedom=whole=love etc..

[@sinhle610]

With all due respect and from my utter sincerity, I'd like to suggest something: if you can have all the fun without the external things that are supposed to bring about fun, then can fun ever be taken away from you? Similarly, if you're naturally beautiful, do you need tons of make-up and cosmetic surgery to improve your outer beauty? K.'s teachings are not about overthinking. They're about how to free your mind from thoughts, i.e. stop any thinking altogether. But to be able to be there, one has to go through some serious observation of one's own mind, which most of us are not patient enough to do. Also, he did not suggest any introspection, because it's then just one more thought...

[@avinashpanwar7081]

25:14 chaste mind

[@mariamendes8053]

Só não entendo quando diz que, não devemos comer carne. Mas tudo que comemos está vivo. Os vegetais estão vivos e arrancamos eles para comer. Então o certo seria não comer nada, termos nascido sem essa opção. É complicado.🤔

[@johnchappell9232]

Being eaten is part of the vegetables life cycle, the seeds germinate in that way in many cases. And with many nuts and grains it's unnecessary to kill the plant.

[@slimboy4930]

Only the true , unfortunatly humanity is so corrupt and stupid and she never change . Sad.

[@rickeshpatel4025]

The whole of humanity can not change until you and I change from within first

[@elenol1310]

@@rickeshpatel4025 wow, greatly put🌌

[@pareshmaniyar8273]

Why is masturbation so important in one's life?

[@rishabhdhir7]

Chaste Mind

[@pareshmaniyar8273]

Why doesn't one feel a psychological feeling like sadness, guilt, loneliness after masturbation/orgasm/sex?

[@CrossM7]

Man woman chastity Alchemy

[@sumitbhandari5487]

why Krishnamurti wore the same shirt in every dialogue with Dr. Allan.

[@dawidwenderski9097]

xD yea this isnt the case, but i was wondering too :D

[@adityakharade9868]

He got many shirts but they're all same.

[@kamy4lyf]

Maybe they were all recorded on the same day?

[@peradetlic916]

I have a frend who has only one shirt. And he is the wise man.

[@invariablyliveliness8278]

Austerity in wealth..did you follow