J.S. Bach Chromatic Fantasia and Fugue in d minor, BWV 903 (Schiff)

[@ludwigvanbeethoven61]

It's like he looked into the future- "ah, okay romantics and chromatics. Let's try what I can do" and than "this was fun, let's also make a fugue with it"

[@denimator05]

As a pianist whose had very little exposure to Bach outside of inventions and some "textbook" fugues, I think with this I finally get Bach. This incredible art is why his music is still around today

[@t3hgir]

There literally is Bach, and then the rest of music.

[@bargledargle7941]

I am curious why this piece. And what does it mean to "get Bach". What do you get exactly?

[@denimator05]

@@bargledargle7941 Before hearing this I only really knew Bach through learning his inventions and fugues for piano. I never really got a chance to appreciate his music, and understand what made it so special. This piece in particular spoke to me, since usually Bach is a little bland to me but this piece just seems very harmonically interesting to me.

[@bargledargle7941]

​@@denimator05 I think Bach's inventions and fugues are his best work probably, specifically the fugues but his inventions are incredible. I understand now, you didn't understand something new about Bach but you just found a piece you like by Bach. I was confused earlier because appreciating Bach by this piece is like appreciating a chef by the choice of his shoes.

[@JOHN-tk6vl]

Who's.

[@Pawel_Malecki]

I love how the score goes 'OK, I believe you now know how to do this' at 1:34.

[@smhmyhead8017]

It says arpeggio, you're meant to follow the same pattern shown in the previous bar

[@MrDog-fk1pd]

@@smhmyhead8017 not necessarily… look at handel’s suite in b flat for keyboard… the first measures of the first movement of the suite begins with arpeggios. They are improvisatory and following the same pattern isn’t a requirement, as I understand.

[@morenomontesmaximiliano7609]

jjajjajsjajs

[@E_-_-]

We're just a step away from putting "Play like J.S. Bach"

[@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji]

The Bülow edition tells you how to do it. I fucking love him for the fact that he's willing to spoon-feed normies like us.

[@JoseFuentes-fn3dl]

I love this piece. It sounds as if it was improvised.

[@FranciscoRodriguez-ik3gy]

That is the reason why is called fantasy xddd

[@SpaghettiToaster]

@@bryanbustamante9248 Fantasy was also a popular term for improvisations.

[@mikeg2924]

Exactly, it is (to describe it in modern terms) an improv written out.

[@ymaysernameuay1113]

Bach probably semi-improvised most of his compositions

[@themoonfleesthroughclouds]

yeah. It’s supposed to. It’s a fantasia

[@timward276]

I learned the Fantasy a long time ago (struggled with the Fugue; couldn't get it up to performance standards) and liked to play it for people who hadn't heard it before. I'd always ask them to guess the composer. No one ever guessed Bach. I remember my Dad saying, "Well, it's not Mozart. And it's not John Cage. So it's somewhere in between." He was dumbfounded when I told him who it was.

[@themoonfleesthroughclouds]

idk, it still sounds quite Bach-y to me

[@mydogskips2]

@@themoonfleesthroughclouds the beginning parts certainly, but after all those characteristic Bach chord-based figures and runs, in the middle of the fantasy(where I am now while writing this), it's far more difficult to discern as Bach. It's only when the fugue comes in that it sounds like Bach again to me. So take out the opening figures and the fugue, and I would not guess Bach as having written this.

[@darthvader4339]

@@mydogskips2 But also Bach was very unpredictable also, secondly Fantasy meant improvisation back then, so maybe since he improvised this he didn’t want it to sound boring.

[@mariedagoult1]

"If you find Bach his music pretty easy to play, then you're probably doing it wrong." Don't worry, struggles go with Bach his music.

[@lorenagabriela3457]

Is the fantasie hard of playing? Thinking about giving it a shot. I dont know how hard it is just by looking at the sheet.

[@RecantoDosBits]

Never in my life i would think about discovering such masterpiece in a beautifully executed version of an old videogame. Thanks Castlevania! Forever in my heart.

[@Rtype90mk2]

If only they had enough memory for the rest of the music.

[@InsightAndEnergy]

And who would have thought I would discover a video game through this music!

[@andyihli]

Yesterday Maestro Schiff brought up this piece in the concert in Taipei again! Thanks for the awesome performance!

[@benjamonpookoo2741]

It's like bach explored all the musical possibilities that the future would later try. The harmonic pivot at 2:00 is 200 years ahead of it's time. I mean, I guess it isn't since it's right here, but I honestly feel Bach is one of the only composers that I've yet to feel despondent towards someone's unyielding awe of him; cos I agree. He was a visionary that experienced the realm of musical potential with superhuman fidelity that far surpassed the socio-musical zeitgeist of his time. As much as I adore many other composer's piano music, I constantly feel myself unable to find much that surpasses bach's output in terms of continued excellence in compositional pacing and movement.

[@achenarmyst2156]

Well, 2:00 is a straight forward diminished chord, nothing special about that one. You have to dig deeper to find the truly bold ones.

[@benjamonpookoo2741]

@@achenarmyst2156 thank you for your response. I should've been more specific. My time stamp was chosen to prepare the ears and provide some harmonic context, should anyone have read my comment. However, I recognise the choice of timestamp is misleading. The harmonic pivot I'm interested in is the D dominant 7 into the B dominant 7 chord from 2:02 to 2:08.

[@benjaminmoszkowicz8149]

Try Vivaldi rv44 😉

[@andreiarochacravopiano4694]

Verdade. Além disso, o instrumento para qual ele pensou essas músicas nem era o piano.

[@sanatinbuyukevreni]

I agree with u👍

[@paulwl3159]

When I first heard this, on an LP by Peter Katin, I was amazed at how modern it sounded. How could this possibly have been written in the first half of the eighteenth century? I thought perhaps that the pianist was improvising, you know taking cadenza-like liberties because it was a fantasia. Possibly being played on a piano rather than a harpsichord also made it sound modern. But the more I learned about it and realised that every note was composed and all those chromatic harmonies were there in the original, the more amazing and timelessly modern the piece became. A sort of musical virtuosic miracle.

[@ludwigvanbeethoven61]

almost unbelievable that Bach did this. this sounds like a Piece that composers of the late 19th century could have written. like debussy or chopin. This man was beyond genius. He was the da Vinci of music

[@dimboukas]

Lol

[@williamrobinson6059]

Bruh

[@segmentsAndCurves]

Listen to Gesualdo

[@Fildoggy]

Personally it reminds me nothing of debusysy

[@sebastian-benedictflore]

​@@Fildoggyextremely little of Chopin.

[@lylecohen1638]

6:54 Fuga

[@Relatively_Irrelevant]

yes

[@jacksbee8809]

k2 what

[@Relatively_Irrelevant]

k2 would fucker be fugaer

[@jona_886]

Toda

[@jacksbee8809]

k2 oh ok. The more you know!

[@emiliocastilhopiano8631]

Schoenberg talks a lot about this work in his 'Theory of Harmony', now I see why. Thanks for uploading the score.

[@Ivan_1791]

What does he say about it?

[@emiliocastilhopiano8631]

@Cosmic Dissonance Usually I would agree that most theory are BS. But in Schoenberg's case I think it helped me to organise things in my head, and then have ideas by my own while using this organisation. But I agree that it doens't work like that for everyone.

[@emiliocastilhopiano8631]

@@orangutan1262 I wouldn't recommend it too, at least not get a good understanding of harmony. But if you already have some harmony knowledge, in this case that book could get you some ideas.

[@segmentsAndCurves]

BUT WHAT DOES HE SAY ABOUT IT?

[@dabendan79]

@@segmentsAndCurves hi

[@JJTownley_Classical-Composer]

Bach, like Mozart is deceptively difficult to play. Fewer notes, sure, but everything has to be so clean and pristine only those who don't ride the damper like it was a gas pedal in the Indie 500 will be successful bringing this off.

[@darthvader4339]

I know, even though he uses fewer notes, the shapes he uses and the fact that you need to really express them.

[@BinaryBard64]

I've never heard Bach music described as "deceptively difficult" before 😉

[@JJTownley_Classical-Composer]

@@BinaryBard64 I had to find out the hard way. This was many years ago of course.

[@JJTownley_Classical-Composer]

@@ignacioclerici5341 I'll drink to that

[@JJTownley_Classical-Composer]

@dejuren You know, I think you're right. Thanks for catching that. 👍

[@ironmonkey1512]

Amazingly modern easily presaging the romantic era, Bach was greatest composer in history.

[@ShuckleDoesGaming]

"Chromaticism is for classical and romantic periods"

[@DemonGamer684]

*Jaco Pastorius

[@marcossidoruk8033]

Bach: hold my bible

[@SaxandRelax]

Marcos Sidoruk lmaooo

[@Piranesi-gc8gn]

@@marcossidoruk8033 lmao

[@davidsosa538]

@@marcossidoruk8033 Underrated comment

[@mark-j-adderley]

2:29 J.S. was the model for Ludwig when he, Ludwig, incorporated improvisation into his piano sonata. Ok.

[@azureNotsure]

Ok.

[@commentor5479]

Ok.

[@apb64]

Спасибо за Баха! Одна из любимейших вещей!

[@stefanobisi1585]

Concordo, assolutamente meraviglioso...uno stile unico in grado di teletrasportarti in un altra dimensione....eterno bach❤❤❤

[@maryrose2945]

We listened to part of this in theory and it was so awesome I had to listen to the rest

[@topsecret1837]

7:42 can’t help but feel that bass voice is not unlike the bass line in some early 80s metal songs, especially on harpschichord.

[@PhilipAlexanderHassialis]

proto-mini-gallop, amirite?

[@bargledargle7941]

Another similarity to some early 80s metal songs is the use of notes and possibly chords.

[@most_sane_piano_enthusiast]

Yeah, Bach is very metal. I cannot fathom how some see Bach's music as "intellectual" and that you shall "only play it the correct way".

[@JG_1998]

Rare Bach octave moment at 11:42. I can't think of any other time he (or any of his contemporaries) used octaves like this. Reminds of Beethoven or even Liszt.

[@FlorianBriegel]

i think there are some scarlatti sonatas, which use octaves in a similar manner, e.g. k 26 or k 44. otherwise it is indeed rare and very dramatic. there's also an octave passage in the e minor prelude (edit: fugue) in wtc I (bwv 855), however a little different from what you mean.

[@JG_1998]

@@FlorianBriegel I'm not surprised Scarlatti used octaves, he was very ahead of his time in terms of technique. I believe clementi also used some. I've always thought it would be cool if people added octaves and double notes to Bach's work.

[@SCRIABINIST]

@@JG_1998 Scarlatti is a G

[@Fildoggy]

@@JG_1998 There's a lot of octaves in Busoni's transcriptions

[@JG_1998]

@@Fildoggy yeah but those aren't by Bach lmao

[@yannickm5237]

3:58 reminds me kind of his Aria "Es ist Vollbracht" From Bachs St. John Passion

[@mhdfrb9971]

People say Beethoven were revolutionary but I would say it's Bach

[@gameclips5734]

luckily more than one person can be

[@GasteMelhor]

Beethoven used to say "his name is Bach ("River", in German), but it should actually be Ocean". Everything comes from this man, the greatest composer of all times.

[@DJKLProductions]

@@GasteMelhor Bach means stream.

[@thepotatoportal69]

@@DJKLProductions Which is basically a synonym for river

[@deftcoleman0552]

I have to agree with you.

[@uigliam]

It is such an amazing composition that it does not seem possible to be by Bach. Obviously we must remember what he writes for solo violin or in certain preludes or fantasies for organ, or the portentous and wild toccatas for harpsichord, where the harmonic labyrinths that he manages to navigate are as if they sprouted from a Baroque imagination so personal as to suggest a possible romance. Yes, but which Romanticism? Which composer? The chromatic fantasy is a prodigy of harmonic inspiration and timeless melodic sensuality. Every time you listen to it you are as impressed as if it were the first time.

[@bargledargle7941]

Or maybe he just went to some distant keys arbitrarily... "Eh it's a chromatic one so let's just go to distant keys with the harmony". Those modulation techniques are pretty simple also

[@fatimacanche9081]

Siempre estuve buscando la cromatica .Exelente ejecusiion .Buen comienzo de semana

[@allegroconfuoco6]

2:14 is so beautifull, i just came to listen to this for that progression

[@phil480....]

Dans un interview Glenn Gould avait décrit ce passage comme une atmosphère de film à suspense, avec des esprits qui hantent

[@mariagotica8569]

BACH SE ACERCA BASTANTE A LO QUE HARIA LA ARMONIA DE CHOPIN MUCHISIMOS AÑOS DESPUES. INCREIBLE! QUE TALENTO EL DE BACH. EL EXCESO DE CROMATISMOS LO HACE SONAR CASI COMO UN ROMANTICO EN PLENO PERIODO BARROCO!

[@Olga6328]

0:00 фантазія, вступ 3:37 фантазія, речитатив 6:54 фуга

[@kripakov]

Andras is “the MAN”! The Grand Master of Western European keyboard music...unbelievable, this freaking guy...he plays vast amounts of literature from memory, every nuance, articulation, dynamic, with purpose, meaning, depth and understanding...he must be an alien hybrid

[@nylonnet]

It was this piece that got me from The Moody Blues to classical. Thanks, JSB.

[@georgesmelki1]

This video was viewed by 250k+ viewers bit only 3.3k have liked it! Amazing!

[@АлександрЯрков-ш2з]

Bravo bravo bravo grandiose genial music

[@julianairestarforce]

J.s.bach god of shredding all time's

[@hoon_sol]

This must be a pretty nice piece on el-guitar.

[@CarmenReyes-em9np]

Bellísima fantasía de JS.

[@echidknux6738]

I never knew Soleiyu Belmont's theme is Bach's composition until now. It's really Great

[@MrSesinjo]

took me here too

[@jonaha502]

His name is actually supposed to be Soleil

[@echidknux6738]

@@jonaha502 True that but I'm used to the name Soleiyu since the very beginning

[@Mark-mb4bv]

Первый раздел фантазии [ 00:00 ] Второй раздел фантазии [ 3:37 ] Фуга [ 6:54 ]

[@kaverbez6673]

Огромное спасибо.

[@danal81]

@@kaverbez6673 OGROMNO

[@CarmenReyes-em9np]

Con mi aportación para ti colección. de Música Barroca y Clásica. Buendía.

[@mariedagoult1]

So beautiful

[@fatimacanche9081]

Exelelente tan dficil interprtacion

[@michaelazimmerman8321]

“Chomaticism is for classical and romantic periods” Bach, “Hold my beer.”

[@duam8613]

That last part was could been literal. He used to drank lots of beer

[@arabellalewis151]

Learning this rn and it’s quite the piece!

[@zyxwfish]

Got it down yet?

[@PeanutSpring3]

tbh, I heard it first through Jaco Pastorius.

[@tobiaspeter6555]

This is so extravagant!

[@djtomt]

Stunning!

[@CarmenReyes-em9np]

De los más bello 😘 y difícil 🤩 de JS Bach 💐🇲🇽

[@paulmcdougald4953]

the fugue seems ridiculously difficult with bringing out the correct voices and all...

[@scronx]

Part of Bach's greatness -- challenging players and hearers to new heights. I thought Schiff did fine with it, though I was disappointed to see halfway through that I was listening to this Orbán-hating commie. In fact I passed over other links with his name showing to get here.

[@percyrookwood4049]

@@scronx edgy

[@zanexiao4488]

@@scronx I thought youtube commenter did fine with the comment, though I was disappointed to see halfway through that I was reading from this Schiff-hating facist. In fact I passed over most youtube comments to avoid these trash.

[@scronx]

@@zanexiao4488 I'm not a facist. I think Schiff's face is fine, speshly that silly little smile he does when having a Bach mini-orgasm.

[@scronx]

@EramSemperRecta Right -- the knuckleheads THINK it's real sharp to throw that around, knowing the entire time that the left are the real thugs, tyrants and degenerates.

[@ValdamarValerian]

The piece was produced right after the death of his wife, and the emotions and thoughts he had are embedded in the music.

[@권순하-k9q]

00:01 D MINOR의 도입부와 아르페지오 페이지 1번 00:10 2번 01:11 즉흥적 음계 1번 01:24 2번 01:36 장엄한 코랄풍 아르페지오 03:26 감성적인 레치타티포 부분 05:50 레치타티보의 성격을 지닌 종결부 (코다) 06:54 푸가 제 1부분 08:34 푸가 제 2부분 10:05 푸가 제 3부분 11:33 푸가 종결부

[@BleedingEdgeOfProgress]

Love the reference to Tristan and Isolde at 2:34 !

[@most_sane_piano_enthusiast]

@@dejuren1367 That's a joke (I think). If so, it's a good one.

[@serp3942]

6:54 Fugue

[@simonwilliams6300]

If Bach wasn't the greatest composer of all time I'll be dammed 😂

[@Philobach]

tu ne le seras pas....

[@WesCoastPiano]

"Chopin is the greatest of them all, for with the piano alone he discovered everything." - Claude Debussy

[@espressonoob]

@@WesCoastPiano we love chopin as pianist but he certainly isn't the best composer, too narrow (quite literally only wrote for piano)

[@EntelSidious_gamzeylmz]

@@WesCoastPiano while having taken half his style from liszt :/

[@potato4903]

Beethoven and Liszt : are we a joke to you?

[@davidrehak3539]

Johann Sebastian Bach:d-moll kromatikus fantázia és fúga BWV 903 Schiff András-zongora

[@Arihcon]

It's really great

[@dan27music]

Parts of the last page of the Fantasia sound like a precursor of Wagner's Tristan and Isolde overture (ie. the Tristan chord, eg. 6:05). I believe it was Bertrand Russell who said that 'The history of Western Philosophy is footnotes to Plato'. I wonder whether it cannot also be said that 'the history of Western Music is footnotes to Bach'.

[@peabrane8067]

this is wild

[@alanleoneldavid1787]

Damn that last chords from the fantasy sounds almost wagnerian

[@farrelpermadi5471]

I don't think so, it's baroque style

[@johndoe9501]

Farrel Permadi he said almost

[@farrelpermadi5471]

@@johndoe9501 oops

[@danal81]

It doesn’t sound anything like that Nazi.

[@segmentsAndCurves]

@@danal81 Shut.

[@fatimacanche9081]

Tenia el disco de HOROWITS ,cuando regreso 11 años despues ,que salio de su tribulacion .Mi maestro me conto de su retiro y regreso

[@sunstrumsharam5388]

The chords are made of madness

[@stratajeux8227]

Featured in Castlevania II Belmont's Revenge!

[@albdruck2575]

Where exactly?

[@supermariobro93]

Albdruck kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqS8lHxnntCIn5Y It was used during the boss fight against Christopher Belmont’s son, Soleiyu.

[@Icenri]

@@supermariobro93 Your link lead me to another link about Family Guy, Bach and Debussy

[@chibishortdeath]

@@albdruck2575It’s Soleil Belmont’s battle theme! :)

[@composer318]

0:10 those triplets 😏

[@TheSummoner]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@henkdevries2002]

9:41 classic Bach moment

[@rachsky1224]

bar 87, the second chord has been changed!:) it should be Gb,Bb,C Eb, Bb, Db. Which is so weird for that time :)

[@FelipeVanDerDonckt]

2:45

[@joaquinperdomo9347]

This chromatic fantasia is insane BWV903

[@InsightAndEnergy]

This is my favorite performance of the piece that I have heard, at least for piano. But, who is the performer?

[@Aoichanpiano]

Schiff, as it indicates in the title.

[@KaikhosruShapurjiMedtner]

Sorabji wrote an arrangement of this on 3 staves

[@kiren3168]

reminds me of mozarts concerto in d minor also. interesting

[@ruperttmls7985]

En la Bach son raros esos episodios de muchos acordes en arpeggio juntos; es mucho más común en los preludios de Handel que en Bach.

[@malcolmbojangles265]

Reminds me of the 542 fantasia

[@fahmifir2130]

3:47 and 3:55 sound like jazz? In baroque era?

[@0live0wire0]

It's just a half diminished - seventh chord built on the seventh degree in major and second in minor. It was pretty common in baroque and classical, and especially in romanticism (Tristan chord). The first chord, diminished seventh is even more common.

[@MarcusHK1]

Contrapunctus 2 from the Art of Fugue, especially played by Glenn Gould, also sounds jazzy.

[@pjimenez08]

I don't find it jazzy, let alone if played on a harpsichord

[@marcossidoruk8033]

Bach does not sound Jazzy

[@StephenS-2025]

Bach, to the future, eh?

[@most_sane_piano_enthusiast]

**slow clap**

[@StephenS-2025]

@@most_sane_piano_enthusiast slow clap? Wit' Johannes? My apologies ...

[@most_sane_piano_enthusiast]

@@StephenS-2025 nah, it's just a common response to a pun

[@most_sane_piano_enthusiast]

@@StephenS-2025 was actually quite a good one

[@StephenS-2025]

@@most_sane_piano_enthusiast you're too kind. Hehe.

[@dongens5256]

bach \m/

[@MarcelloACG]

Twosetviolin anyone? Here after they explained about how he improvised a piece on the spot with a chromatic scale

[@eduba7393]

Well rendered. Who is the performer?

[@prokprok12]

András Schiff. It's in the title :)

[@sqrti8825]

The recitative part is such a precursor of 'Beethovenian' and 'Wagnerian' sound.

[@sumirechan324]

4:31Fuge

[@paules3437]

I have a few additions I'd like to make to the score. I don't think JSB would mind....

[@pepitillop2673]

im learning this fantasia and fugue for my next year exam (to enter the last 4 conservatory years) , is this hard enough to enter? Im also learning Chopin etudes 1/2 and other pieces

[@briarjensen2123]

Music amateur here. If the piece is chromatic, how is it in the key of d minor?

[@jackdomanski6758]

The piece is ultimately centered on D minor, but has a great deal of chromaticism. Heavy usage of chromatic melodies and harmonic twists does not necessarily preclude tonality.

[@ymaysernameuay1113]

It's chromatic, not atonal. Chromatic means borrowing notes outside of key, atonal means no key.

[@emirhanozlen4554]

Now who's gonna tell this is a baroque piece?

[@eduardionovich4425]

Отличное исполнение с поразительной гибкостью агогики в Фантазии. К сожалению,заметный произвол в орнаментике.

[@robertfoster4897]

I could do drugs to this I did some when I heard this played on a Harp

[@Ivan_1791]

What did happen?

[@josephslotnick4516]

Wow

[@gracelove886]

Some very difficult pas.ssge work here. I wish i could play like that.

[@sandeegrey5977]

Bach uses major 7th chord @ 2:42

[@ari4nova]

So what?

[@sandeegrey5977]

@@ari4nova It's cool 🥺

[@dmt54]

Les pages ne correspondent pas toujours 😢😢😢

[@aprilpong_]

Learning this piece at the moment.. there are so many different version of the score.. 😅

[@aprilpong_]

@Andy Chen Haha, she did. But it was just a bit hard to find a recording of the version that I am using. There are always some subtle differences.

[@alejandrom.4680]

@@aprilpong_ Are you learning it right now? I sightreaded the first 4 pages just joking for my teacher and told me to learn it..., but I just have 3 years in piano and I don't actually know if I'm upto this piece. Is it easy to learn for you?

[@aprilpong_]

@@alejandrom.4680 I am learning it for my licentiate diploma exam at the moment. I think it is quite difficult to learn 😅

[@alejandrom.4680]

April Pong Ah yes, my teacher told me that some of her students played it for their piano graduation..., why the hell am I playing it then. Is quite fun to play tho, loving the fast arpeggios at the first pages and the fast runs, without mention the really complex harmony it has envolved

[@Pianosamuel]

11 03:35 18 10:03

[@AndiAngvil]

Dance-Fugue

[@risinghopper1213]

Castlevania Belmont’s revenge brought me

[@mhduhastmich13]

Anybody here for Gödel Escher Bach?

[@the_sacrifice]

Castlevania 2: Belmonts Revenge.

[@CarmenReyes-em9np]

Les dije qo no sirve en Mix esta es especial.

[@officaldungeons]

This piece is so much better when played on a harpsichord

[@kitbuiz]

And for whom does the author give instructions on the duration of the notes? Or did I miss the "rubato"? Dislik is unambiguous.

[@superbowyiming]

From history I guess, since that's kinda ordinary in that period

[@gijsschubert7901]

Bach let that freedom totally to the player :)

[@johnsterman77]

Why are those written chords played as arpeggios?

[@peterangusguy3382]

Portia: (reading) You are totes invited to a formal birthday party hosted by Anton St Germain. Celebrating my 10 and a half birthday.

[@davidhenry352]

Some parts are similar with the violin sonata 1

[@kewkabe]

Why did Glenn Gould hate this so much? He called it a "monstrosity."

[@sneffels_]

Who is playing? Thanks!

[@nikolasnielsen9751]

Andras Schiff

[@fatimacanche9081]

Es lo que oimos ,no respuestas de criadas

[@GUILLOM]

???

[@solarean]

???