Jack Neary interview part 2 - Keep'em small #4

Jack Neary is a very accomplished benchrest shooter. He's a member of the BR Hall of Fame and has multiple records to his name.
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[@ErikCortina]

Jack Neary shot a 200 yard World record of 0.110” for 5 shots. Keep that in mind as you listen to him and why he does what he does. 😉 Like the video for more.

[@zippoflint8688]

I shot with Jack many times (IBS/NBRSA). Great shooter and gentleman.

[@CallMeUbba]

Amazing that his group size might be too small to accurately measure with calipers 😂 jack is awesome

[@brettinnj]

WOW! A top ranked f-class shooter comparing notes with a top ranked benchrest shooter. Who can ask for more than that? Thank you Erik and Jack for a great video.

[@timothybutler1]

I’ve read things like the things you talk about here, but hearing them directly from the greats like Jack and Speedy makes it so much better. I think you have found a KZbin niche Erik.

[@rb8812]

This is priceless information . You can tell when someone is at the top of their profession by the achievements they have earned and how they have no hesitation for sharing the information/experience about their profession . They only present facts based on their testing or competition results . They don"t force it upon you but they lay it all out for you to follow if your open enough to absorb it and use it . These people who share their knowledge so givingly will make us all better at shooting , reloading , competition , hunting , and most of all teaching everyone to perfect your skills and share that experience . Great interview ! Please Bring Jack Back ! Both of you have UP my game , put me way ahead of the curve . Thank You

[@mikemabini6361]

As always great content in your videos Erik! Thanks for sharing your time with us.

[@patrickgleason6610]

I always enjoy your videos - I learn SO much from this kind of thing - learning from the people who are truly good at what they do and know from hands-on experience. Thanks!

[@redraiderreloading7612]

Thanks for the video with Jack. I just started my venture down the 6ppc nbrsa. Thanks to Jack I have found a mentor in my area. There is still alot to learn but atleast the learning curve is smaller.

[@rickeldridge8227]

You should do a step by step cleaning video with the products you use.

[@ErikCortina]

👍

[@oldschooljack3479]

Ditto that. I would like to see a thorough detailed instruction on cleaning my barrel.

[@repairfreak]

I also would love to watch and learn as a newbie 😎👍

[@adeniranm7647]

That would be great!

[@blackcreekoutlawspa344]

Absolutely. Please please please Eric. That would be a perfect vid.

[@savage1030]

Hell of a video! Thanks Erik!

[@davidroper4476]

Great subject Erik. I’ve always cleaned out my barrel fully after a session, makes sense right! Keep these live chats going, great stuff.

[@dandexinventor]

thanks guys, I learned a few things. Even though I don't shoot competitively, I'm always looking to shoot more accurately. By my standards I've improved watching Erik. My HBAR AR maintains 3/8"@100 yrds after implementing changes I have from Erik and some expert shooters I know from my Marine days.

[@mpccenturion]

Thank you! You both have experience at the top level of the sport. I want to raise my practices closer to your level. I have shot military rifles for most all my years. And they all shot better after a thorough cleaning. This winter I purchased a used 223 bolt gun. Bore was sharp - lands looked crisp. I got it home - and looking at the muzzle I saw copper tinge around 20 deg of the bore. I wore out a bore brush - and an hour of time, before I had a clean swab. And it shot the tightest group I have ever shot. Cheers!

[@greatwhitenorth762]

@Centurion Wizofid Thanks for sharing that. What product did you use to remove the copper? And did you use a bronze or nylon brush?

[@wendellsullivent4028]

This walk thru interview is just amazing. Love hearing this stuff! My PRS shooting buddies scoff at me cause I clean every range trip or day of match!! I haven’t heard anyone mention bore guides when they clean, why not?

[@ErikCortina]

I think because we assume it’s coming practice to use a bore guide and kind of basic that we just don’t discuss it, but you are correct, it should be brought up.

[@justinvandee2008]

Another great video. Cheers

[@gristlepounder]

Erik, like your Top Fuel analogy! Been a NHRA fan since I was a child and seeing TF in the late 60's.

[@erich9111]

Somewhere I heard that a top fuel engine doesn't even get 1000 revolutions between rebuilds. A few seconds at idle to set timing, then they tow it out for burnout and staging, which goes by pretty quickly. The run itself is over in only a few seconds and tops out with the engine staying well under 10,000 rpm.

[@martinduke4644]

Another topic well covered. Those folks that don’t clean well measure their groups in MOA, 10,000ths. A hit anywhere on a 2 moa piece of steel is still a hit. In benchrest, a shot outside the group is a participant.

[@The4GunGuy]

Great interview Erik! I'm a PRS shooter and I do a patch cleaning every 100 rounds. I then bore scope the barrel and generally do a deeper cleaning every 300 - 400 rounds. I agree that I'll hear during a match "I never clean my barrel" a lot. Sometimes I think that statement is made to throw people off if you know what I mean. They're not going to fire 2,500 rounds down a 6 GT barrel that has high pressure and high velocity and never clean that barrel. I'll keep doing what I do and know that if/when I miss, it was on ME and not my equipment. Thanks again for this and I'd love to see you run a bore scope down a dirty barrel and discuss with us all what you're looking at, especially that nasty carbon ring.

[@onpsxmember]

I'd like to see an inspection too.

[@PrecisionRifleNetwork]

Deeper cleaning every 300-400 rounds… exactly. I think that’s the norm for “PRS shooters”

[@ReferenceFidelityComponents]

My deep cleans are every 75 rounds with wipeout patching every 25 rounds. I shoot with a suppressor and carbon build up is insane despite tuned loads with 100% burn ratio. I can’t understand why people under estimate how baked on hard carbon layers get if not regularly cleaned. Nylon brushes are a waste of time for deep cleans. K1 carbon remover and brass brushing is needed. Anything else is tickling the carbon 😅

[@ReferenceFidelityComponents]

I have a theory about that “gravel road feeling”. Had it happen often despite regular cleaning. Instead of just using Wipeout, I started using K1 carbon remover and leaving it half an hour before brass brushing and was amazed at the carbon coming out of a previously cleaned barrel, which needed another several cleans with K1. Once all the carbon came out I used wipeout and hey presto, more coppering removed. Carbon is so hard and forms in layers which trap copper fouling. Carbon buildup was the culprit. Once clean enough the rod passes through smooth as silk. Takes me several hours to clean a barrel properly and 10 minutes to maintain it with Wipeout every 25 to 40 rounds. I only use extruded vhit powders.

[@peterresetz1960]

Clean gun barrel is a happy barrel. When I competed in IHMSA in the Unlimited Class with a 7mmT/CU. After my 40 shot string in 35-40 minutes, and believe me when say the barrel would get hot, I would do a rudimentary bore cleaning with Sweets 7.62, but when I had to participate in a shoot off, I would shoot another 20-30 rounds or more a few times. When I get home I would take a day or two to fully clean. Most barrels would burn out in one season.

[@dillonrobinson6802]

This is good stuff keep it coming man. There’s definitely not a lot of good information out there on bench rest shooting. This is good

[@jonparkes7006]

Well I guess that settles the debate on whether to clean OR not to clean. Makes perfect sense. Thanks really enjoyed this. I use J&B and hoppes number 9, and never had a problem.

[@brguide]

I have an overbore 28 Nosler. Even though I change my barrel out every year, being the round is so hot and dirty VVN570 86.2 grains, I still HAVE to clean every 20 rounds. The carbon build up is bad. I use KG2 bore paste with the pellets. Only 5 to 10 strokes cleans it back down to bare. I am still getting around 600 rounds per barrel.

[@briancobb978]

Would like to see a video from start to finish on cleaning with some borescoping along explaining what we're seeing. I'm a prs shooter and I hate hearing shoot til groups open. Barrels are consumables but i still want to take care of it.

[@PreppenWolfLLC]

Yes. Please make a cleaning video

[@repairfreak]

I second the vote for a when to clean from barrel with a borescope view. 😎👍

[@nightwaves3203]

@@repairfreak I think he made one already last year.

[@Tomthormeyer]

Yeah make a new video. One that shows the proper way to use the paste!!!

[@onpsxmember]

I'd like to see the paste use as well.

[@tika7mm]

I'm very happy to hear that Jack uses First Choice solvent! Somewhat of a well kept secret here in Canada, though I've heard rumors that Sinclair might start to sell it.

[@stevenlee798]

I've never heard about the "gravel road" when cleaning but I've felt it and always assumed I had a bit to much patch on the jag.

[@ErikCortina]

Now you know. :)

[@stevenlee798]

@@ErikCortina indeed thanks Erik

[@johnsimonelli9988]

Sooo much to take in, I have gone as much as 700 rounds without cleaning and was able to hit steel targets out to 1000 yards.......But when I want tight consistent groups I clean every 40 o 50 rounds. Always a pleasure listing to these discussuions.

[@jessiesmith8442]

I clean after every match and by the time the end of the match I start to see my groups open up

[@The.Floor.Store.At.Your.Door44]

Great vid man. Good info

[@Notreallyme377]

I’m just a hunter, but wow didn’t know what I didn’t know. Learning a lot here

[@DanielBoone337]

I'm not a competitive shooter by any means but this is very interesting. Personally I don't clean my guns until the groups start opening up like yall talked about briefly but I'm assuming with BR or F-Class where consistency is king yall know exactly how that barrel is going to shoot when it's clean all the way to "x" amount of rounds later so trying to keep the barrel in that window is kind of a necessity... Like I already said this is very interesting!! Great video as always keepem coming brother

[@rapidrrobert4333]

I paused your video and ordered some Iosso. Thanks for more no BS information.

[@josephleicht5305]

Same here. I also ordered adult diapers because I know I'm going to shit myself when I see that patch come out.

[@roccodejager6357]

Great video. Would also be nice to get your thoughts on carbon rings. How to clean out and how to prevent carbon rings.

[@brentwinkelman1990]

Barrels are absolute consumable...keep them clean and change when needed! Im still working on keeping my stuff clean...i shoot prs mostly and get lazy on cleaning lol

[@brentmckee5111]

Your interview series are absolutely fantastic. Have you done any interviews regarding .22 rimfire?

[@tpalshadow]

This is amazing, no other way to put it! Thank you.

[@spencerspaulding1891]

We're still waiting on more videos with Speedy!!

[@AutopilotAndChill]

Great video! I think it’s a little naive to think a paste will wear away at a steel barrel. The paste is so much softer. I know that air and water erode at rock but that takes millions of years. Just clean your gun however see fit. I don’t shoot competitively and don’t even own a bolt gun but my ARs get cleaned every time they get shot. If you don’t clean not only do you lose some accuracy but you introduce the possibility of reliability issues. Never understood the mindset of “you clean too much” or “nah bro, it’s an AR I only clean it after 5000 rounds.” These items can last hundreds of years if cared for properly. Keep up the great work! Love your channel!

[@onpsxmember]

The other extreme is out there. Ask an armourer if he has given out a rifle with a brand new barrel and a bored soldier has brushed away most of the rifling. I wouldn't believe it if I didn't know the armourer for more than 20 years. I can only guess it was a seriously hard brush on a chain or rod that led to the abuse for hours. Mindful cleaning is helpful, mindless cleaning can be detrimental. We're the ones who watch those videos to get it right, to know if there is a better process.

[@davidsalsedo]

david salsedo 0 seconds ago Dr. C, I only watch these to hear the song at the end. Long live King Jack!! Please have him on as a regular guest like you do with Speedy. He really is spectacular.

[@fidelmartinez3250]

The gravel road comment was a eye opener for me I always wondered why that happened

[@user-un5my5bw4j]

I too feel carbon is my biggest enemy with my 1000yd benchrest match barrels. I clean constantly and every 3 cleanings i use iosso or jb nom embedding paste in my Brux barrels. That hard carbon is a killer and unless you have the money for a steam cleaner you got to use paste

[@wesleyfields1371]

I really like these videos with Jack, "winning matches by .0001" that's outta my league by a bit. I believe I'll stick to " until my groups open up". Lol.

[@mikekopmanis2099]

Erik, Jack, very interesting info, many thanks! Unrelated question on brass prep Erik: do you remove the I/D donut at the end of brass every firing?

[@jamesheath9385]

I started using Iosso when I was SASS shooting years ago.

[@richardlawton1023]

I clean my rimfire Benchrest rifle by Speedy Gonzales after 30 shots or one card at the range. I do a more through cleaning at home before I go to the range. I use iosso once a month. I use Wipeout patch out and Accelerator for cleaning.

[@builderbob4167]

Erik, I "found" you by stumbling upon your Texas Barndominiums channel because I was thinking of building one and I absolutely loved your informative videos on that channel. It was a special treat to see the interactions with Leroy, Daniel, and the others. I love to shoot as well, but to be honest, the highly specialized and expert shooting topics you cover on this channel have left me in the dust bigtime since I have zero interest in getting to your level of shooting. I fully realize that this is your passion and you are awesomely good at it. I'm glad you have been blessed to do what you enjoy! That's part of what makes life worth living! I also realize even more that both of these channels are yours to do as you want. Making content and editing the videos you have on both channels take a lot of time, I'm sure. However, it appears you have chosen to leave the Texas Barndominiums channel in limbo since you have not made a single "true" barndo video in all of 2021. There have been many like me ask you about your intent with the other channel regarding whether you plan to make any more barndo videos and to my knowledge you have not responded. Whether you do that is definitely your choice to make and you're not obligated in the least to tell us your plans or have us dictate your actions but it makes me sad to that happening. It was a great channel with a lot of subscribers (like me) who have been with you for years but feel disconnected now. I'll stay subscribed to Texas Barndominiums in the hopes a new video will pop up someday! Good luck with ALL your endeavors!

[@ErikCortina]

New videos coming to Texas Barndominiums soon. It will be worth the wait. I promise. 😉

[@builderbob4167]

@@ErikCortina Great!! Can't wait! Thank you. Have a great weekend.

[@cornbreadburgess1950]

I love these types of videos ❤️👍,Iam a knuckle head and need all the help I can get lol,

[@jason.e.g]

I've had carbon rings and pressure problems in the past from not cleaning. I clean between every prs match now. LoL

[@Pathfinder76]

So are you using soft or hard nylon brushes and how far into the bore are you brushing with abrasives? Are you pulling the abrasive back out with a patch or are you running it straight through when cleaning it out?

[@ians1464]

I don't have barrels as expensive as these guys but every time I thoroughly clean my barrels my groups go from an inch or less all the way up to an 1 1/2 or 2

[@randyemenhiser2573]

I'm not a fan of Erik Cortina, but this series with Jack Neary is terrific

[@ErikCortina]

Thank you. 😁

[@jeffsikula2920]

Don Nagel? From Ohio? Avon/Sheffield area? I worked with him. I think he used to shoot a 25-06? I've heard he was a world class shooter but i've never talk to him about it. I used to think "i could hang with this guy" with my less than mediocre factory 700 in 300win. I didn't realize until now when you mentioned him how out of my leauge i was back then. God bless him.

[@shaggy1958]

Question: So when you use the abrasive and the nylon brush, do you push the brush from the chamber end, through the barrel, then remove the brush at the muzzle end, pull the cleaning rod, reinstall the brush and repeat? OR do you pull the brush back through the barrel from muzzle to chamber? I have heard both to be correct. Which method is best?

[@LedGuitar1218]

The way Cortina creamed his jeans when Jack said iosso. 😂

[@JamesPettinato]

I live a couple towns away from north Olmsted, my question is where does jack shoot 300 yds ?

[@joshsatterlee2078]

Hey Erik! I haven't seen a Barndo video lately. Is everything going well in construction? Or is Leroy running it full time, and you're doing these videos? I always loved your attention to detail on the barndo's!

[@ErikCortina]

I’ll post soon.

[@eganobrien5781]

I shoot 1,000 BR, 8 sighters, ten record rounds, clean immediately, warm barrels clean quicker. I only shoot a completely clean barrel, but that's just me.

[@Quality_Guru]

I watched the video and thought that you were using CLR. It begs to ask, how long can you let CLR sit on the barrel to loosen the carbon. Is it soak and wait and then push another wet patch of CLR and repeat? Or is continuously keep running patches s of CLR one after the other?

[@robinepps7274]

The guys that say you shouldn't clean your barrel just kill me! I clean mine between 60-75 rounds!

[@danpollard4210]

I can't quit thinking about copper metallurgy the hardness number also consistent barrel temperature and ammo temperature.can copper be plated out of a barrel,using electricity? Does carbon and copper form layers , one over the other? Also ultrasonic cleaning springs to mind. Might be good For tuner brakes I donno.

[@roccodejager6357]

I agree with Brian Cobb.

[@richardbriscoe8563]

The comment about shooting too hot snd causing carbon buildup was interesting. Are there any cues as to that point other than looking at the throat with a bore scope to see when you reach that point?

[@jamesmooney5348]

Thanks Erik, good vid. What's "Agg"?

[@jessiesmith8442]

Have you ever thought about cleaning between each relay to see if your groups would be better

[@elkhuntr2816]

What about copper solvents with ammonia? Do you have to make sure to get all the solvent out when you are done to prevent etching of the barrel? Would you use something like carb cleaner to make sure you get it all out?

[@MegaPoxie]

I would have loved to hear if he tried CLR, does Eric still use it?

[@frank64409]

How about showing the way to clean barrels.

[@sscott5340]

How many here video binging on Eriks videos?

[@jeffreywilson690]

As a hunter I clean before I sight in for the season, foul it,then next year. Do it again. But I do shoot more than just hunting.

[@jw-yr4lj]

How much effect could a real dirty barrel have on an otherwise 1/2 moa gun?

[@andrewrussell2513]

Erik do you have a tutorial video showing how you clean your barrel? If you have one I haven't been able to find it and I'd love to learn how you do it step by step

[@ErikCortina]

It’s on my members area. www.shootsmallgroups.com/community/eriks-forum/step-by-step-barrel-cleaning-verified-with-borescope-after-each-step/#post-293

[@aquadonkey.]

When he talks about hot loads requiring more cleaning, is he talking more near max/max loads? Or actually HOT loads that go above saami spec?

[@glockparaastra]

Iosso paste is excellent!

[@craignmz5264]

So when all the fouling is cleaned out of your barrel with the j b paste is there still copper fowling? I have never used an abrasive on my bore just Hoppes which leaves copper fowling but I clean long enough to eliminate all the carbon. Is an abrasive just faster?

[@ErikCortina]

Yes, abrasive is faster.

[@MrCclimeGo]

This is a pretty old video, so I don't expect either Eric or Jack to comment ; but I'm going to say that, when I was a kid, a very old man (mentor) told me that you clean a rifle barrel the same way you sharpen a knife. From the base to the point. I pull the brush and the patch, from the breech to the muzzel. It takes more time, but I think it's worth it. I don't have nasty stuff in the action and the barrel seems to get very clean. I have never had a borescope, I've only just looked down the barrel.🤷🏼‍♂️ To me, it just makes sense to run a brush and patches in the same direction as the rifling. Any thoughts on this?

[@bretthl1]

PRS vs. bench rest seems to be two different levels of precision. No time to really clean during PRS. The barrel continues to foul with each shot.

[@tripleceas]

Curious what everyone considers an “accurate barrel”. Not talking brands or models. What is it about a barrel that makes it more accurate than another?

[@jeffstevens156]

As a former Hand Gun Silhouetter, We’d have to go a minimum of forty five rounds, five rounds in two minutes. I would do my load development with a hot and dirty gun. It best represents Our matches of 45, 65 or 85 rounds.

[@terrellstandefer6646]

Great info from people with experience! Kinda disappointed though, I didn't hear any foul words in a different language hahaha! I'll keep listening on the next one's puta's! Hahaha I couldn't help it!

[@johnpaton8047]

Is brushing near the crown okay?

[@mln19631]

Erik/Jack Do you put the paste directly on the brush bristles or on a patch and wrap it around the brush?

[@jasonsimes3333]

I'm obviously not them but putting the paste on a patch is the way to get the paste down the barrel and on the steel. Then remove the patch and scrub. Once done scrubbing, use patches to get the majority of the paste out. You'll see the patches come out filthy then each one get progressively cleaner. Once pretty clean use a wet patch to get the remainder out. My 2 cents worth.

[@yareelohim77]

I’m wondering the same thing?

[@antpassalacqua]

How does this apply to small bore I wonder? I don’t clean my 22s much except for reliability reasons, and neither do the other guys I know who to smallbore bullseye.

[@duncanmcneill7088]

I used to clean my smallbore rifles every session - then I stopped and noticed there was no difference to my group sizes or scores. I will wipe down the muzzle every time as I use a tuner, clean and lubricate the inside and outside of the bolt every so often and get the crud out of the extractor ports and breech. I know of one of our top shooters here who thought he had damaged his barrel (a Grunig) because he cleaned and it took 35 rounds before it would group consistently again.

[@GetMeThere1]

When I hear "matches are won by 1 ten thousandth of an inch" I have to wonder: Is it even POSSIBLE to AIM at the same place, within 1 ten thousandth? I would guess that it's not. Can anyone make a claim how much variation in aiming there IS in BR shooting?

[@garywoodlief1976]

I am not going this deep i will just keep doing it my way

[@soonersteve3733]

I’m familiar with JB paste but what was the other item mentioned? Ioso? Did I understand Erik that you use a bristle brush to apply the paste? Thanks

[@soonersteve3733]

Keep up the great videos Erik!🤩

[@briancobb978]

Believe it's IOSSO its a bore cleaning paste

[@soonersteve3733]

@@briancobb978 thanks going to give it a try

[@Schwartvogel]

Eric, where does CLR fit into this? I replicated the ingredients (its gluconic acid and lactic acid, mainly) to test the effectiveness here in europe, without having access to CLR itself. The amount of carbon that those two simple chemicals take out of the barrel are shocking. Why not use CLR (or equivalent) for the top carbon layer and some traditional copper solvent (ammonia) after that for copper? Both liquid, both work quite fast, and i found that i do not even need a brush, patches with this are more that adequate!

[@ErikCortina]

Do you have a bore scope? If you do, you’ll realize you need more than patches.

[@Schwartvogel]

@@ErikCortina OK understood, but again, where does CLR fit in, compared to iosso paste or JB for the carbon fouling?

[@bobbycollins684]

What's" ioso" please

[@vdog4799]

I knew a guy who bragged that he never changed his oil. Back when oil filters were toilet paper. I just couldnt see why that was worth bragging about

[@nightwaves3203]

I can see it now. Annealing bullet jackets and muzzle exit air stabilizers :)

[@df3624]

Is the Iosso they're using the bore cleaner paste or the oil solution?

[@ErikCortina]

Paste

[@dingo5208]

I am an army cleaner. I'm trying to wean myself from it, and the more oil is better habit but it's hard. I always shoot for bull but what is the point of an amazing group if you're not hitting the bulls eye? Hunting or home defence you need to hit where you aim to humanely put down your prey, a great group in the wrong spot won't achieve your intent. What is the product from Canada?

[@jerseyman3162]

is there a video of your barrel cleaning regime?

[@ErikCortina]

Yes, but not here. It’s on the members area of my website.

[@repairfreak]

@@ErikCortina 😩 me want barrel clean video too.

[@208bowmaddnneess]

Just ordered some iosso

[@ablack121191]

Erik could you do a video on how you use iosso?

[@SGPrecision]

Here is an article I wrote for Brownells on the proper use of JB Bore Paste. Copy and paste or click on the following link. Keep'em Small, Speedy www.brownells.com/aspx/learn/learndetail.aspx?lid=12950

[@ablack121191]

@@SGPrecision thanks speedy you and Erik are treasure troves of knowledge!

[@adamlong54]

Firm believer the regular guy shooting a deer rifle shoot it till it's grouping tight then clean it but don't scrub it . Oil it and put it up till next time.

[@stephenjones8723]

What's this Ioso cleaning product ?

[@ErikCortina]

IOSSO. It’s a bore paste.

[@jimmorwood9715]

What is aggracut

[@wolverinekut]

👍💯

[@JamesS.254]

Why would anyone want to see their groups open up before you clean? Part of the reason you clean is to prevent your groups from opening up. (ETA: This is the difference between being in the top ten and being out of contention). This kind of thinking goes with everything, why are you going to wait until you have trouble before you do any maintenance? Your maintenance is suppose to help prevent you from getting into trouble in the first place. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@wildcat_reloading]

How is there a dislike 1 minute after posting butvthe video is 15 minutes long?

[@peterresetz1960]

Its a PRS shooter.

[@wildcat_reloading]

@@peterresetz1960 🤣🤣

[@ErikCortina]

@@peterresetz1960 LMAO

[@douglasmoore8033]

Waiting for the group to open before cleaning equals someone who's not serious

[@tacticalrabbit308]

Wish I could get some of the used barrels that you shoot out for match to turn into a hunting rifle barrel

[@scott2776]

Funny you should ask, I took an old 6PPC barrel that I felt was no longer competitive and rechambered it in 6X45 (necked up .223) with a Remington tenon. It was just 20" long when done and gave it to a buddy to play with. He came back a week later saying it was the most accurate rifle he had ever owned, it shoots 1/2" groups all day long! "Yes I know, that's why I took it off!"