JAEDONG vs #1 Non-Korean Protoss, Dewalt!

[@volsere]

remember when people used to think that moving into your late 20s and 30s meant you couldn't play starcraft properly anymore

[@fromryuk7785]

I mean flash himself said he's slower than in his prime mechanically due to his age/wrists. He said the 2010 version of flash would toy with him like he was a random ladder match. Just for some of these players they were so dominant that being slower than their prime doesn't impact them as much. But the game is evolving and some of the other players are really starting to catch up and blossom.

[@pawelmurias]

@@fromryuk7785 playing broodwar with a wrist injury must suck hard, feel for broodwar being 20 with a bum wrist would be way worse then being 50.

[@fromryuk7785]

@@pawelmurias iirc he's had 3 surgeries now for it. Dudes a machine but it's really taking a toll on his body.

[@taylorjensen2787]

Well it's true. Your reaction time is faster, you have better fast twitch muscles, just when you get to your 30s you have to rely heavy on experience and smarts. This is true of most competition, except like Chess...

[@Praisethelord1444]

​@@fromryuk7785I may have gotten slower but certainly much better still overall.

[@YoungGandalf2325]

That was a lot of action! Artosis is a great play-by-play commentator.

[@no1xtz765]

Yup. His commentary fundamentals Would beat most of pro sports commentators that graduated from school 😮

[@FlymanMS]

@@no1xtz765 I mean SC is superior sport

[@sneakyknight]

The mentality you discuss at 2:10 is true in Go (as in the board game) community too. Koreans and Chinese players love to aggress because stronger players will out "micro" their opponents in fights. Japanese and Western players will play longer strategic games because as the stronger players, why take risks when you can make hundreds of more efficient trades than your oppenent?

[@colter19]

Artosis, just wanna say thanks for doing these daily videos. I watch them every night while in bed. Even though I don't play SC as often as I used to, it's my favorite competitive spectacle to observe. Good work man, you're keeping the foreign scene alive.

[@uero-ro]

Same here!

[@DerGully]

Same. Artosis is part of my daily routine.

[@stefanc4520]

I'm so happy to see JD active and even Flash coming back, exciting times!

[@Djolonator]

That baiting hydra attack at 12:20 and Dewalt eathing it like hungry was superb move from Jaedong.

[@TVsBen]

That was a pretty solid ZvP there. I'm enjoying these ladder matches because people use those to really hone their skills.

[@zukunftverstehen]

Ого, Деволт с Джаедонгом играет - такое нельзя пропустить! 🔥🔥🔥

[@andrerossel8394]

What a great game. Both players were excellent

[@Ziegfried82]

Could have went either way, and that's a huge compliment to Dewalt.

[@elisabettajdj335]

​@@Ziegfried82no you dont understand starcraft lmao. JD demolished russian noob

[@josenavia4306]

Man, I love Artosis’s vids when he is not whining and complaining. Great game and commentary

[@Matt-ln7lb]

Dewalt's macro slipped at the end there. He was floating a lot during the fight with the Hydras. If he was able to play just a little bit more patiently there and macro out some additional units, I think there's a good chance he holds, though perhaps he just took the 3rd too early and JD hit just the right timing to punish it.

[@helloken]

unfortunately looked outclassed, but Dewalt definitely gave himself a lot of chances!

[@masterchaosforge]

Super awesome game! Dewalt is my favorite non Korean, and seeing him almost take down Jaedong made for a great game

[@Ziegfried82]

Dewalt showing he really is the best foreigner in Starcraft.

[@nuRLE]

In what way did he almost take down Jaedong ?

[@myluvgobangbang]

@@nuRLEhe killed some overlords lol

[@Marionettetc]

He played really well but let's not be crazy, it wasn't really close

[@chuckwalla123]

I thought it was pretty close. Around the 12 minute mark, if Dewalt had thrown down a few more cannon’s and turtled with his high Templar he may have held on just long enough for his 3 base to start spiraling.

[@deepzerocool]

If you notice JD always pulls one hydra to be the “watcher” of the other direction just in case DW surround him, then he could act quickly. Those micros are top notch! That’s why he won in each battle

[@FuRax_COC]

So much nostalgia (not the map :D) watching those replays, miss good old days on WGT, iCCup ....

[@AqoCyrale]

what the just from analyzing this, it looks like Dewalt played this perfectly, he blocked the 9pool opener perfectly, delayed JD's 3rd base, killed off all mutas and scourges with corsairs at favorable exchanges, didn't over-make corsairs and spent a good amount on ground army, was constantly building his econ and even getting his 3rd early, had storms on time for hydras, got a huge amount of kills with a DT and despite all of this he still lost I remember back in proleague years, Jaedong had like 80% winrate in ZvZ, to the point that people said it's a different matchup playing against him, JvZ, Jaedong versus Zerg. It's not any different here honestly. This is like an elden ring boss battle. the odds are not in your favor. how do you even win this

[@nafet]

The corsair trades were quite bad actually. The additional corsair production stopped the gateway explosion needed to contest the zerg army, and JD's storm dodging was ofc good enough to carry him against 4 gates.

[@FlymanMS]

DeWalt is a very technical player, he always got good reasonable idea on how to act further, all he need is to perfect his skill in implementing those ideas.

[@Matt-ln7lb]

@@nafet It's not that they were "bad", just that they weren't "good enough"; the corsairs traded very favorably in terms of resources, but when you make that many corsairs, it's delaying other tech so much that they need to do more than just trade favorably. Zerg can transition out into Hydras a bit more easily, since it doesn't require different production, and Hydras aren't as gas intensive as the units needed to counter them. 6 corsairs is the same resources as 4 templar and 6 zealots (or 4 cannons), and that's a huge deal when the hydra push inevitably comes. Even 1 templar makes a huge difference in holding that push. This game might even be a case of Dewalt losing because he made/lost ~2 corsairs too many and missed out on ~2 templar as a result, which could have made the difference holding against the hydras.

[@Random23167]

No warning because drones were killed in one hit?! 20 years of playing this game and still learning, wow!

[@martinbalke1843]

I know the idea of APM is overblown but Jaedong was consistently 100 APM above Dewalt here and in the end of the game he just walked over him because his macro was so much better.

[@Dante440x]

when dewalt gg, look at the swarm of army coming from top from JD's base, that is scary

[@graemebelliveau7770]

That scouting probe made my day

[@EziixPked]

4:30 mineral hop to scout the natural

[@justincronkright5025]

With his timing on the first cannon I think he should have just gone for the nexus on 1 cannon. Brought 1 more probe there... also can you not block the hatch and the second one with a pylon (as in it's 2 spaces in thickness & height)? OR PERHAPS he genuinely wanted it to be put side by side for zealots to fit there.

[@stephanzallmann]

Came online to play some games, saw a new ArtosisCast was released -> gaming postponed ;-)

[@liveandjaphappy]

I thought dewalt was doing decent damage with the corsairs but in the end it seemed like it didn’t matter. Was he supposed to concentrate more on setting up a ground army?

[@peterbach1126]

I don't even play SC, but I watch all ur vids 😅

[@MJ.Actual]

I get Dewalt has improved and has been playing with Koreans a lot. But hasnt Bonyth pretty much been his daddy in tournament play?

[@WeiLeenNg]

Watching PvT is the only way I can enjoy SC in a neutral way

[@junevue9665]

PvT is hella boring

[@ObeliskM]

Very impressive that Dewalt played that well vs best zerg player in the world.

[@Doryah]

Artosis is bw commentary GOAT

[@abrahamhawkins1754]

Jd playing so incredibly still he says Im Not Done When he wins the game and Clicks continue.

[@The_Scouts_Code]

gg wp Dewalt put in a great showing!

[@uglyhobo4602]

Jaedong was imo the best player of all time in SC:BW. Hes so much fun to watch.

[@youuuuuuuuuuutube]

Great commentary. Pretty good game too.

[@alexest2665]

GO DEWALT !!!!!

[@rabee53]

Jaedong is insane but he still hasn't ever been the same since he started having all his problems with his carpal tunnel.

[@gasstationpeanuts1814]

Carpal tunnel has ravaged some of the OG champs. Flash and Jae have had serious problems with it. Bisu as well.

[@Holypikemanz]

Jaedong is my favorite player of all time. Wish he would re-try starcraft 2, now that new balance patches are being released.

[@marccarillo4125]

My guy Bonyth wants to have a word.

[@johnnyboy3563]

so close. I feel like a DT at home would have helped repel those hydras.

[@remiglogorski9546]

Hi! What is real toss' name ??

[@davdav1370]

Would love to see Mihu v Dewalt video, to see how they compare.

[@ArtosisCasts]

Lots of those on this channel already, just do a search!

[@zero_wing_]

@@ArtosisCasts he’s pulling your chain RT

[@davdav1370]

Uuh, Indeed there are ! Will definitely look. Thx @@ArtosisCasts

[@danLTa1]

​@@davdav1370how do I download the game bro

[@jon1805]

bonyth not play anymore?

[@ethansaltmere]

dewalt gets massive advantage and still loses... unfortunate

[@Dakkar171]

Wooo great game!

[@River_Remover]

What Korean Protoss should I be looking for in terms of solid standard macro play to emulate? I'm a super noob so help is appreciated :)

[@3halfshadows]

I'm not an expert but I would say Best. Good luck.

[@TV-Girl-Enjoyer]

Rain I think is probably the best Protoss to learn from

[@richard3706]

Rain by far, doesn't coin flip (usually) and plays the most standard of builds getting into macro games.

[@kya6816]

Best standard toss is maybe stork. He is too old to compete high level now, but play is still very sold. That makes him keep pass asl qualifier.

[@River_Remover]

Thanks lads o7

[@coldbrew6053]

If DeWalt had a dark Templar or 2 he would have won that engagement

[@rocco6425]

Great game

[@worst9365]

Too bad we missed the double stargate the entire game basically, or at least didn’t adress it entirely even though it’s a very non standard approach

[@yeon723]

jaedong made it look easy

[@matti2043]

Really enjoy your commentaries, minor pointshit: i think dewalt only won like 1 bsl, winning-wise bonyth did much better (not to say that dewalt isnt probably the best foreigner p)

[@nooneinparticular3370]

Spoilers Dewalt was very effective at the beginning, but got too greedy and expanded without a proper army. Pretty great game for Jaedong!

[@MrGwaih1r]

So ultimately his early 3rd lost him the game, since he was one batch of zealots and templars short of holding. If you get cheeky vs. the Tyrant you get slapped...Props to Dewalt though for trying. Confidence is important.

[@synthwavesmatter8466]

Im not a starcraft player but been watching anyway. Watched about 10 of these and I have never seen protoss player win. I think protoss are completely disadvantaged or something.

[@Imboz]

well played Forsen

[@jimmyquan4991]

I expected more level from DeWalt at least 2 archons and more zealots.

[@Fanelan053]

Good game!

[@FlymanMS]

DeWalt played very well, might as well count it as moral victory.

[@ivarkreuger3098]

Scoutboyswag!

[@Ha5u]

"Slight" disrespect for Bonyth? They have some personal thing going on?

[@LainAlone]

Bonyth is a Protoss player, better tournament player for years and has one of the lower apm in the foreign scense, not very good macro and still has dominated the foreign scene for years.

[@shartlover420]

The Dong is Strong

[@joebazooks]

wow pretty good showing for a nonkorean

[@Tsihsel]

jaedong fighting

[@SharpwithanE]

For the algo

[@maxogge]

"Congratulations! 🎉 Your joy is contagious in this photo. Wishing you endless happiness together! Sorry for the AI comment, but I'm genuinely excited for you both! 💕😊"

[@travishayes6037]

HONESTLY

[@junevue9665]

I still find it weird how most pro SC player still prefer old graphic then the new one ....cause i watch jaedong stream. and sometimes he still be using old graphics

[@ernestlishchenko1307]

Dewalt, 🐘🐘🐘!

[@joshbrooker9775]

great game. nice try dewalt

[@attention_shopping]

rip

[@Kevmoeman]

Jd simcity bought him a lot of time

[@gachibass3639]

Reaver modCheck

[@damn671]

You know the Zerg is not taking you seriously when they make the lair outside their main....

[@jasonsoliva6678]

It's not really BM it's just intel/scout denial

[@stevengerrrard]

: )

[@redda2]

Mass hydra zzzzzz