Jag Rant: David Hayter Voicing Big Boss was a mistake.

[@alibaba0428]

David Hayter is never a mistake

[@danielbeckman6742]

David Hayter earned the role, having had to audition all over again for it. He knocked it out of the park, and portrayed Big Boss to perfection in 3 different games. The role belongs to Hayter.

[@sherwood_alex]

Only to mention Hayter's Big Boss sounds exactly like SS but with extra-grizliness. Overall all pretty overrated thing, and works for most just becaust of the nostalgia

[@danielbeckman6742]

@@sherwood_alex why should the voice be so different when the character model for Naked Snake looked nearly identical to Solid Snake. Hiring Hayter to play Big Boss made sense, and his portrayal in combination with the material of mgs3 made that game a resounding success.

[@sherwood_alex]

@@danielbeckman6742 Solidus Snake model looks identical to Soild Snake, did Hayter voiced him? I like Hayter until mgs 3 included, but after that it's clearly heard that Hayter can't do much in terms of acting

[@danielbeckman6742]

@@sherwood_alex John Cygan was phenomenal as Solidus Snake. He's a perfect choice for someone playing Snake's brother. But Naked Snake was introduced as a younger character and Hayter was the appropriate choice. And as for acting, you're simply wrong. Hayter does more acting than anyone in V.

[@sherwood_alex]

@@danielbeckman6742 All Hayter's acting after mgs 3 sounded like strained growling that grown more with every next game. I still consider his mgs 1 voice perfectly balanced

[@Onmysheet]

Kojima wanted Kurt Russell to voice Naked Snake, but he didn't want to do it. I think he would've been perfect. Hayter said he had reaudition his role, so they were finding voice matches.

[@TheBeholderist]

And I dont know what people is mad about make him doing a reaudition for MGS3, because the current and longest Sonic va Roger Craig was in the need to do a re audition for Sonic Frontiers, since the teamwork wasn't sure if they wanted to give a new voice for Sonic.

[@Demigod_3scrub]

It worked out because Big Boss in mgs4 was voiced by someone else.. and his likeness in particular was used in Mgs 5... Ironically all of the clones have different and unique voices.. Which honestly makes sense..

[@LamarcusWalker-q1x]

Wrong

[@matheuspattinasarany4602]

The video did not convince me. But a nice video nonetheless

[@KABLAMMATS]

​@Garland846stfu garland you already lost, go back killing chaos or sumtin

[@RaidenTheRipper950]

Richard Doyle is perfect as Old Big Boss, he could voice Big Boss if the MSX games gets remaked, either him or Kiefer Sutherland. Also Doyle voiced The Fury in MGS3 and he was amazing in both roles.

[@JohnnyUndaunted]

Counterpoint: Naked Snake in MGS3 was clearly written to be a Cold War-era version of Solid Snake as depicted in the previous titles, so it makes sense for both of them to have the same voice actor in order to ease the transition to the new protagonist and setting. Anything else would've just been over-complicating things. I mean if you want to talk about Kojima's intentions, the only reason why Akio Otsuka voiced both, Solid Snake and Solidus in MGS2 was because he wanted players to question whether Solidus was indeed the real Solid Snake having turned into a terrorist while playing through the Plant chapter (the same reason why the Japanese voice actress for Meryl also voiced Olga, as the two end up working together), but Hayter having no acting range probably spoiled that for the English dub.

[@fineman1064]

there already was a new protagonist in mgs2

[@JohnnyUndaunted]

@@fineman1064 And we all know how that worked out.

[@michaelbrooks3220]

No acting range? Have you heard Hayter’s other work?

[@Elfaia]

I just went to check the japanese voice for snake and solidus and honestly, they are nothing alike. His usual snake voice is similar to hayter's delivery, low and boom-y. His solidus voice is very high and bright.

[@cantsuggestareasonablename9101]

@@ElfaiaThat’s interesting to be honest I really enjoyed the English dub of solidus in mgs2 since I think the actor did a great job.

[@Jon-sq5dt]

As a hardcore MGS fan, I really don't care.

[@TheKrzysiek]

I really wish someone would compile all the differences between western and japanese versions of all games.

[@skullkid8094]

Liquid was the recessive clone and solid was the dominant one that never changes. The point was that liquid having the rare Recessive traits was meant to be the superior clone. But snake proved that genes aren't what make a soldier.

[@IncarnationOfNeutrality]

That's always kinda how I perceived that as well, especially because if you know anything about basic human traits, you'd know that brown hair tends to hold dominance over blond hair, and what do we see? Solid Snake is brunet and Liquid Snake is blond

[@CorinShadowblayde]

So, what you really mean here is it was a mistake to NOT have him voice Solidus. And that I can agree with.

[@TREVORVADER]

Bro Solidus would’ve sucked so bad as Hayter. John Cygan did great

[@Stabzcell97812]

John Cygan would have been a fantastic replacement. If we could have had a full game with that voice I would have been thrilled. I was actually hoping for his voice when I heard they were making a 5th. Since he died in 2017 I guess that'll never happen now. :(

[@TREVORVADER]

Yeah it’s a shame. I would’ve loved to hear him be Big Boss or get to reprise Solidus at some point but unfortunately like you said that’s no longer possible.

[@chinchin2980]

There are a lot of things that affect a persons voice, upbringing, smoking, etc, etc. This is why Liquid has a british accent and doesn't sound rough, because he doesn't smoke. "Spitting image" means looks, it doesn't mean Solidus talks, acts, or does anything the way Big Boss does. This is also why Ocelot didn't like him because Liquid's goals were closer to Big Boss'. Liquid's goals = freedom from the patriots, cause war because Soldiers aren't well respected Solidus' goals = replacing the patriots becoming Zero 2.0, keep doing the war stuff but with more child soldiers because that's funny to him Ocelot doesn't like Solidus because of the before mentioned things. This is why he lies to him about the genes. (I know this is really shocking OCELOT LYING TO ANOTHER PERSON?????!!!!!) Even if he doesn't lie, please refer to the first two sentences I typed. Lastly Big Boss in MGS4 doesn't have to sound like Big Boss from MGS3 not only because he is older, but because his body was torched in MG2 and then later reconstructed, you know giving him a different voice because his vocal chords were damaged if you wanted to stretch it that far. The more likely reason for choosing Doyle in MGS4 was that he sounds actually similar, he's speaking from the bottom of his throat like David making him sound like a smoker while at the same time removing the scratchy-ness of David making him sound less like a Soldier. Making his voice calmer, collected, changed. Symbolism for the fact that Big Boss has finally understood. It was a different approach compared to the Japanese version but not in anyway inferior than it.

[@Cringe_Username]

ocelot would never lie 😢😢

[@TheBeholderist]

@@Cringe_Username Ocelot WAS a triple-agent buddy, and that's enough if he lie from one person to another.

[@SweetTeaConnoisseur]

I agree. A young BB with Solidus's voice actor would've made him a LOT more distinct from Solid and would've killed the really common misconception that Solid and BB are the same person.

[@TerrorDoFlamengo]

But Big Boss and Solid Snake Are Literally the Same Person

[@solidbhatt]

​@@TerrorDoFlamengono they are not, they have very different personalities

[@ForceEdge47]

Not only do I not think it would have killed the misconception (since they both look almost identical and every time I see people getting them confused it's from a still image where their voices are irrelevant), I don't think the games should have to do more than they already have to make it more obvious that Solid and BB aren't the same person. It really isn't that complicated of a concept to grasp lol anyone who can't understand that they're different either hasn't played the games or is dumb. Especially since there are literally never any occasions when young BB and Solid Snake are on screen at the same time, so contextually it should never be in question whether the person on screen is Solid or BB.

[@vaclavzachodil6562]

Also Richard Doyle narated the first MGS Peace Walker trailer, back then in 2009 I thought he will voice act older Big Boss yet he didnt, not even in MGSV.

[@icantaim4sht836]

I wasn't a fan of Hayter's portrayal of Big Boss in MGS3. He was trying to sound extra raspy, which I thought sounded forced and fake (like Christian Bale as Batman). His Solid Snake voice was the best in MGS1. It had a rugged texture but it still sounded like a human being's natural voice. As for who should have voiced Big Boss, my vote is for David Caruso. His voice in CSI Miami is like a cross between Liquid and Solid Snake.

[@suppressed1138]

It is also possible big boss voice was actually made up of recessive genes which would explain why he sounds like solid snake, as for solidus snake as you mentioned, it was likely an error that they didn’t have the same voice actor for them as solid snake in it could also just be that in the western version of Metal Gear Solid two the reason solidus voice is different is because the patriots could have changed it to prevent any potential trouble with people, realizing he sounds exactly the same as big boss

[@RaidenTheRipper950]

Absolutely, Kiefer Sutherland was a great choice too, I wish he voiced Big Boss in 3, Portable Ops and Peace Walker too so all Snakes have variety in voice actors.

[@VroomAC]

naahhh, keifer is just straight up not a good voice actor for snake, David hayter is the only snake

[@stevesmith7843]

can't stand listening to keifer as BB, legitimately refused to play mgs5 on this basis alone.

[@Rob-z7k]

I just started playing Metal Gear - Gound Zeroes for the first time and dont like Keifer Sutterlands voice​@@stevesmith7843

[@TREVORVADER]

Agreed man. Peacewalker’s story was already mid and Hayter’s performance being the weakest of the bunch didn’t help.

[@TREVORVADER]

@@VroomACyou’re problem is just thinking of both Solid Snake and Big Boss. They’re two separate characters and should be treated as such.

[@Steamj2]

Well tecnically it fits into the lore since the snake triplets were clones of bigboss

[@LogosSteve]

Eh, interesting point about solidus and big boss's voices in the Japanese but I think the dub choices are fine for a couple reasons. So for starters the dominant and recessive genes line was done for thematic reasons, that's not how things work in generics. Not all genes are even dominant or recessive so knowing that it actually would make just as much sense from the gene perspective that Solidus or Big Boss could sound like either Solid or Liquid. Then there's the fact that you can have identical clones that can have different voices for a variety of reasons. Hell just the smoking habit alone could make a significant difference between characters and that's kind of a thing we only see both Solid Snake and Big Boss do so...

[@Dark_Ronius]

I'm looking in the comments, and people seem to forget... Accents aren't genetically inherited. Two people can have the same genes, but accents and vocalisations sound completely different because of who they were brought up by.. Also David Hayter wasn't that great from 3 onwards in my opinion, but still better in MGS4 than peace walker and portable ops

[@TREVORVADER]

MGS4 he sounded alright because the shape Snake was in but bro sounds awful in the prequel games, especially Peacewalker. So glad they didn’t use him in 5.

[@pistolbobcat8988]

Doyle was a perfect pick for old big boss, I am curious what we could have happened had we gotten Cygan as Big Boss back in the day. All the japanese actors are wonderful choices, and I love what Kojima was doing. I get that with the english release. It was a bit harder to find his perfect pick. But we have been hearing David for years, I do think he will always be solid snake. But I wouldn't dare turn down a different VA for Delta to get a whole new performance. Mainly cause for me, the story was all the matters. The voices talking about it would be different as long as they aren't intentionally miscast

[@bobthebuilder243]

I think if a mg1 and mg2 remake happens, Kiefer should voice Venom Snake , I would have loved if John Cygan voiced big boss in mg2, may he rest in peace. I guess it will be Kiefer or Richard who will do big boss

[@romulocasas4906]

The backlash would’ve been immense to go from raiden in mgs2 to not having Hayter in mgs3 though. People would not have been able to handle that

[@Moofmoof]

Exactly this. If they had hindsight to know how the series would play out they probably would have chosen a different voice but at the time it was an obvious choice since Hayter is synonymous with MGS

[@gothxm]

we also have to think of the state of gaming voice acting when mgs3 came out. we still hadnt crossed over to big hollywood names voicing these characters often or seeing the VA commonly give really naturalistic sounding performances. a lot of the most famous examples of VA during that time sounded more like caricatures. Now its common to see incredible performances even in shitty games.

[@TREVORVADER]

They compromised the story for a bunch of whiny Snake fanboys.

[@crummylion]

Let's not forget, Kojima always wanted a big name celebrity to voice Snake ever since MGS3. Interesting video, but I don't think he had this sort of continuity in mind. He just wanted to make that big Hollywood game.

[@Leoncroi]

Counter point: David Hayter in MGS3 works, because genetically, MGS2 Solid Snake and MGS3 Big Boss were the same age. And with the reveal in MGS1 that Solid Snake had the genetic traits that closely resembled Big Boss, as opposed to Liquid who carried the differing alleles, there should be no difference at this point. MGS2, however, did feature George Sears as a genetic clone without the rapid aging fail safe (introduced in MGS4), and at this point, would be genetically the same age as Big Boss around the era of MGSV/Metal Gear 1. So due to Solid Snake having the rapid aging failsafe encoded in his genes, it would be a believable stretch that David Hayter reprises his role of Solid Snake, and a different person (John Cygan, Richard Doyle, or someone else), would play a MUCH older Big Boss. That being said, David Hayter should have been phased out for Peace Walker and whoever they got to be Big Boss in that game (to match a youthful vocal timbre of Big Boss from either MGS3 or MGS4) SHOULD have been Big Boss in MGSV.

[@trevoranthony3018]

This is why I prefer Keifer Sutherland as Big Boss in Ground Zeroes and The Phantom Pain

[@ianllanasas2680]

You are overthinking this.

[@bubba418]

Nah

[@mrmaclovin255]

He isn't. Solidus is the perfect clone of Big Boss. So he should of been the same voice

[@ProLaytonxPhoenix]

Kiefer Sunderland is the BEST Boss. Yeah, I said it!

[@TREVORVADER]

I genuinely agree

[@M.Y.K-tube]

Bad idea using David Hayter for MGS3 - I agree. Changing voice actors ruins the story for me. They need to be consistent through out. K Sutherland was ok Venom as he is a different character, although the tapes where you hear real big boss should have been Doyle as I liked his voice in mgs4. But mgs3 was a fuck up

[@RainyWolf7]

Liquid had his father's genes, but he took after his mother, though, despite Solid not having all Big Boss' genes, he took after his Father, this is because Solid Snake has a few good genes mixed in with recessive genes, well Liquid has a few recessive genes mixed in with the good ones, and Solidus was a balance of good and bad genes, that doesn't mean he has to look or talk like Big Boss by standard, oh yeah, I have a Dutch father, my genetics turned out to have barely taken his genes, mostly my mother's Irish and Welsh side, yet, we have near identical voices, though I am even a completely different build than him, so, the thing is, it's not impossible

[@DavidM_10]

Another good reason that Big Boss should have had a different voice actor is that Solid Snake and Big Boss spoke to one another many times in previous games (MG1 and MG2), before Snake knew that Big Boss was his father -- and it apparently never occurred to Snake that Big Boss sounded exactly like him. lol

[@foodwich2132]

A lot of people don't know the sounds of their own voice unless you're a singer or voice actor. You sound completely different to yourself than when you hear it on the outside. So I don't really understand this comment. Snake wouldn't be the type of guy to hear his own voice that often if at all.

[@DavidM_10]

@@foodwich2132 You're right that people sound a little different to themselves than they do to other people. But you say you "don't really understand the comment"? That's a bit hyperbolic. Snake and Boss don't just sound similar. They sound identical (with the only difference probably being that Big Boss's voice is a bit deeper, because of age). They have the same speech patterns and everything. And Snake is a pretty perceptive guy, being an espionage specialist. Also, Big Boss and Snake are from the same unit in MG1. Didn't anybody ever tell Snake that he sounds exactly like the guy giving the orders?

[@danielbeckman6742]

They wouldn’t have sounded alike. Solid Snake was much younger, 23 at Outer Heaven and 27 at Zanzibar Land. So it would sound like a youthful David Hayter speaking with PW Big Boss.

[@KABLAMMATS]

​@@danielbeckman6742i really hate how big boss sounds like in pw and solid in mgs4

[@nogalesfe]

As far as I know, Solidus was not the perfect clone of Big Boss, he had the most accurate dominant/recessive balance of his genes. It had nothing to do with Big Boss's actual genetic material, which probably was balance-wise imperfect from the start. So it is perfectly conceivable that Big Boss's DNA with regard to his vocal chords resembled any of his clones's. And BTW, dominant/recessive doesn't mean strong/weak. Dominant genes are the ones who tend to manifest themselves more than their counterparts, for instance brown hair against blond hair or brown eyes instead of blue eyes. So it is absolutely possible that Liquid had the recessive genes (he was blond after all), and that those were the best genes for that particular situation, such as fist fight or surviving the cold temperatures of Shadow Moses.

[@gothxm]

Liquid did have the recessive genes but is the superior clone.

[@JohnLover1179]

@@gothxm Liquid had the dominant genes

[@themindmanipulator_]

edited my original comment because i thought of a better explanation so David Hayter's voice is Naked's original voice during 1964-Metal Gear 2 Big Boss has a different voice in MGS4 because he's left conflict behind him since the end of Metal Gear 2 Sold Snake has the same voice as Naked Snake because Solid is the spiritual successor to Naked Additionally, Solid, Liquid, and Solidus were all cloned during Big Boss's military career, i.e. when he had David's voice Liquid's obnoxious accent and prideful tone indicates his position of genetic superiority over Solid Solidus's voice is deep and bassy because Soldus inherited the physicality of Big Boss Solid has Big Boss's original voice because Solid's life is defined by conflict, just like Naked Snake's life up to MG2 Everyone else has a different voice because they inherited different aspectes of Big Boss Solid is the "true" clone of Naked in a spiritual and thematic sense, which is highlighted by the similarities in their voices. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

[@deandomino6732]

I think it makes sense for david hayter to have voiced naked snake. Think about it, solid snake shares aspects of big boss so it would make sense that there are some things that would be similar in both. Their voice being the same is something i would expect, until big boss got older

[@iamthenight1000]

I would say all three clones and Big Boss should be voiced by David Hayter. Probably wouldn't have been able to recreate the father and son situation in MGS4 though. As it is, I'm fond of Hayter, Clarke, and Cygan and it would be hard to imagine anyone else doing the Sons of Big Boss, or Hayter as young Big Boss.

[@Cringe_Username]

I think everyone should be voiced by David Hayter😮

[@Daud-ix4tm]

​​@@Cringe_UsernameWith how narrow minded my fellow fans can be might as well. Hell characters in Dishonored should be voiced David Hayter like Corvo ,Daud , All the male cast and hell let David voice the female cast too. Would love to hear David's voice come out of Emily.

[@thibautbdg5297]

I agree completely and it would have also potentially prevented some of the issues with Kiefer Sutherland being the voice in MGS GZ and PP.

[@JumboTTV]

Even back in the day playing this game as a kid I was disappointed when I heard Naked Snake for the first time and he sounded exactly like Solid Snake. I get that Solid is a clone but Liquid and Solidus both sound completely different. I enjoyed Kiefer as an older big boss it was just a shame how little voice acting we got out of him. I cannot ever imagine David Hayter as an Older Big Boss his voice just doesnt suit for me. Also Im not impressed they decided to reuse the voice acting for MGS Delta Snake Eater. It means the cutscenes and layout of everything is more than likely going to be identical. It may aswell be a remaster with only new gameplay mechanics and updated graphics.

[@J2-pe6wz]

Not impressed that it's going to be...exactly what they have said it will be. A remaster with updated graphics and mechanics. Literally perfectly on target. Why redo the VO? Why? Unlike grpahics, it can't really be...improved, can it

[@TREVORVADER]

I’m with ya there. I think it’s an incredible disservice to Big Boss that he got made into just another Snake for the MGS1 fanboys.

[@ShockerTopper]

I didn’t even think about it how Solidus Snake was the “perfect” clone, so he should have had solid snake have the same VA as Solidus. But really the best option would been the VA they had for “George Sears”/Solidus Snake. I actually liked his voice acting in 2…a game I actually like and always have despite the cry baby Raiden bait and switch.

[@notcorinnothing]

Well maybe everything wasn't about the plot, but for convenience. Plus the whole idea of sounding similar because of genes is kinda bullshit, I sound nothing like my dad, simply because we were raised in different places. I think Jaguar is just overthinking some points. If you have points that could contrast mine that i missed, then point them out, otherwise stop meatriding lol.

[@cyborgbushin1901]

No, no that was not a mistake ! 😅

[@MadaxeMunkeee]

Hey Jaguar King - I’m glad you’re making videos again. I saw your short so I figured I’d check if you were making more videos lately and it turns out I was right lol

[@PlatinumHunter89]

I don't agree at all on that

[@postplays]

The point with the recessive and dominant genes situation is that the genes didn't make the soldier. Solid Snake defeated Big Boss in MG2, then Liquid, all the while being an inferior clone of a legendary soldier. Nothing in life is handed to anyone just because of their genetics. Solid Snake was a superior soldier through and through and I've never heard anyone talk about that objective fact. Solid had a better moral compass too, since he never had ambitions to take over the world using a nuclear weapon. He wanted to leave a better world that his twisted ancestors left for the next generation. In a sense, he lives out The Boss's dream better than Zero or Big Boss ever could.

[@neeply1239]

I would’ve wanted keither for big boss throughout

[@unknown-lives]

Na i agree, mainly because as technology gets more and more better, the more photorealistic faces become. Hearing Daivd Hayters gravel, almost cartoonish voice, looks and sounds silly on a realistic humans face. It looks like they are going to re record a lot of the voices in the MGS 3 Remake.

[@NutsItsBerserkinTime]

Yes someone edited hayters voice over venom snake and it was unnerving, not saying he isn’t good but Kiefer did an amazing job.

[@WelshSnake6978]

No David Hayter was perfect for Naked Snake in MGS3 cause Snake was 29 so David's voice was perfect. The change should have been in Peace Walker where he was 39 then, kind of wish Kiefer Sutherland had the role since then. It makes sense. But David Hayter is Snake and always will be

[@rajunaidu7751]

Grant Cordone is Solid Snake vs Gary Cordone is Liquid Snake

[@CZinDC]

Mgs3 wouldn’t have done as well if there was not a clear resemblance between big boss and and solid

[@aacc4954]

When i first played though mgs2, i always thought that when ocelot told solidus he was the spitting image of big boss, he ment that as some sort of sly backhanded remark at him losing his eye in the harier boss fight

[@dream_killer-cc3vr]

Thats exactly why he said that…

[@LolrusGaming]

Tbf voices are also influenced by one's upbringing, experiences, personality and environment, not just genetics. That being said I'm not saying it makes more sense for Hayter to be Big Boss over the other actors, but there are more factors to consider than just which character is the superior or identical clone.

[@Rorschach97]

In my opinion, David Hayter only works as young Big Boss/Naked Snake, Kiefer Sutherland fits older Big Boss more, it's a shame Venom Snake/ Big Boss doesn't talk much in MGS5.

[@possumwater]

I absolutely agree from a plot standpoint, but im so glad that David killed the role!!

[@O_Osawa]

I kinda understand the issue pointed in the video, but I think that if you're gonna expect logic based on the genetics themes of MGS, you're already done. 1 point to say the minimum: if Liquid had the dominant genes, he shouldn't be blonde and Solid, possessing the recessive genes, shouldn't have dark hair. I also think that David Hayter (as much as I love his work as Big Boss) should be only Solid, even more considering the changes of voice actor on MGS V, but not at all I would justify myself basing on MGS genetics lol.

[@regularstan6212]

Listening to Keifer Sutherland as venom snake it amazing!

[@RamenPro89]

Ok…I’m listening… I agree with most of what you’re saying. But there has been no better Big Boss and Solid Snake then what David Hayter provided. It might be nostalgia but this is how I feel.

[@zero1zerolast393]

I'm 27 seconds in, and I'm judging you, not because of your hot take but because you asked me not.

[@Sleygar]

I disagree with the point with Solidus, Solidus has accelerated aging and therefore his voice should sound different, just like Old Snake sounds distinctively different from his younger self, although he's voiced by David Hayter. I can't really fault the Liquid point, yes, Big Boss should sound more like liquid than he does Solid… But… Somehow I don't see this working out… Maybe it's just because Big Boss has brown hair and looks exactly like Solid apart from the beard… I would love for Big Boss in MGS4 to be voiced by someone who sounds like his sons… But that can't be easy, it's not like either Hayter Senior or Clarke Senior are voice actors (They might be, but I doubt it). Still, great video, good arguments, leaving a like.

[@Sleygar]

*Different from Naked Snake I mean.

[@brycejohansen7114]

I like to think that David Hayter's voice is what snake sounds like to himself and John Cygan's voice to everyone else.

[@gothxm]

what in the headcanon is this? lmfao.

[@jamelherring5359]

So how do you feel about Ground Zeroes and the Phantom Pain? Yes, we know he wasn’t the REAL Big Boss, but he was supposed to have all his traits and memories

[@SystemOfIran]

When you try to make a sense of MGS. The whole series is a mess but I love it

[@xavierbelmont8935]

Kojima didn't want Is David hayter really in any of it. David actually came out and stated that could kojima tried to get rid of him multiple times throughout the series. Kojima was finally able to get his way when metal gear solid 5 came around. If you're going to be playing about all the voice actors who voice acted big boss in the American version you totally missed kiefer Sutherland why?

[@__________Anonymous__________]

GZ and TPP aren't canon MGS games. They're a separate universe.

[@sergioriggio1769]

​@@__________Anonymous__________Well but if we don't count MGS2, The Phantom Pain was the one which sold more copies. So it is way more canon than others. Moreover its story was created by Kojima for closing the circle

[@__________Anonymous__________]

@@sergioriggio1769 Hideo Kojima isn't canon.

[@sergioriggio1769]

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[@sergioriggio1769]

It's such a shame that the greatest stealth game isn't a canon Metal Gear game. On the other hand there is still Konami's real masterpiece: Snake's Revenge

[@Clean.Eastwood]

This approach focuses too much on the lore, when Kojima focused more on the meta aspect of the MGS series: he simply wanted MGS3 Snake to be mostly Solid Snake again, as a return to form after Raiden. Akio Ohtsuka voices Naked Snake, first and foremost, because of the real life fact that he's also Solid, not because of the in-universe fact that Solidus is the perfect clone. Kojima sometimes seems to worry more about the "real player-fictional character" relationship than about the plot itself. MGSV's convoluted twist is an example of that.

[@arechikitsune]

If you put solid and solidus face side by side you see that they are the same model in terms of facial proportions, the only differences being that solidus has gray hair, a different cut and different facial hair. and they added some wrinkles. So all three of them are the spitting image, just at different ages. its just having the eyepatch that made ocelot make that comment. Behind the scenes kojima never wanted Hayter because he wanted a HOLLYWOOD ACTOR.

[@TREVORVADER]

People can hate on me all I want. I think Hayter was good as Solid but not as Big Boss. I’ve always thought Big Boss deserved to be more than just another Snake like Hayter’s voice made him.

[@onceonly1111]

That's dumb as hell. They don't get their voice from DNA. MGS3 had 'Naked Snake', and even though Hayter apparently had to audition for the role again, knowing that Solid Snake was always a clone of Big Boss was enough for most people to become immersed in the character. Calling the playable character '[Something] Snake' in a PS2 era game and not having his voice would've been a terrible idea. The relationship between Naked Snake and The Boss helped establish the character, and by having Hayter's voice in the prequel it carried the sentimentality back into other MGS games before it, giving more value to things like the mentorship between Snake and Raiden in MGS2.

[@justmusiciaan]

I mean... They all should have roughly the same voice, no matter the genes. They are clones and voice is not really a thing that can change depending on the genes. I mean, yeah, it changes but not that much.

[@El_Diablo1680]

Yeah Big Boss/Naked Snake with a Solid Snake voice sounds weird. Kojima probably didn't have any other choices but to use Hayter again as Snake. Hayter was a great VA for Solid Snake/Old Snake but not very much for Naked/BBoss. In MGSV, Kiefer Sutherland finally made Big Boss sound like Big Boss.

[@Elfaia]

You say that but akio otsuka's acting for solid snake/big boss in mgs3 and 5 are all the same so it's obvious that the game has an "iconic voice" in mind that's not really tied down strictly to canon. And his acting as solidus is VERY different from solid snake/big boss. His delivery is a lot brighter and higher so sticking to the idea that big boss should sound like solidus when even the japanese voice doesn't follow the same canon is kinda a moot reason.

[@ezzahhh]

I think you are reading into this a little too much, Kojima wanted David Haytar out after MGS 1 and he forced him to constantly re-audition for every subsequent series and was always trying to constantly find a Hollywood celeb to replace him. Just one example but Kojima desperatley wanted Kurt Russell to voice Solid Snake in MGS 2 but after Kurt declined he reluctently let David (rightfully I might add) have the role. Kojima was buddies with Akio, if Kurt accepted the role in MGS 2 as Solid Snake, Akio still would have played Snake just the same and Kurt would have most likely played Big Boss and Sold Snake in all future installments. The voice changing thing means nothing considering at the start of Phantom Pain which is over 20 years prior to MGS1 they manage to get a wounded medic an implant or whatever so that he would sound exactly like Big Boss. They had the technology and he didn't even notice the change, a similar thing could have very easily been done to Solid Snake considering the tech would have been even more advanced and would explain everything.

[@hyperbolicechochamber]

Idk if it's true but didn't they try to get Kurt Russell for the part and he turned it down? I wish naked snake just looked like old big boss but with black hair. Why does he have a mullet while employed by the cia in 1964? Were they placating the fans who hated Raiden and wanted Solid Snake back? In the end it just seems needlessly confusing, but I think Mr. Hayter being cast is likely for that same reason of bringing back classic snake.

[@TREVORVADER]

Yeah that’s basically what they did. Snake Faboys screwed everything up because they couldn’t play as their beloved Solid Snake. Bro was better as the Mentor character in 2 anyways. Then Big Boss got turned into a Snake clone (ironically)

[@Anti-Hero64]

Yeah well... No offense but he earned the role.

[@Adam_X78]

Hideo Kojima, approves of this video.

[@rabronin]

The Japanese casted their own way and the West casted their own way. I was fine with the voices.

[@Edu10071993]

I need to play the whole saga in Japanese voices

[@Arson_Oakwood]

So am I hearing this right? When west made canon VA back in mgs3 after messing up in mgs2, they made a mistake, because they should've been faithful for their mess up instead of getting back on track? And they should've known about mgs4 plot during casting of 1st mgs? Like am I missing something?

[@ThatMassEffectGuy]

This man is right as solidus was the same and his voice and everything that solidus did and had was the same as big boss so either hayter should do solidous or cygan should of done boss in mgs3

[@By_the_gods]

The biggest failure is not giving us Japanese with English subtitles. Akio Ōtsuka is the greatest snake of all time. If you compare each scene side by side the English voice casting is fucking terrible. A good example is the Hidden Johhny cut scene in MGS3. The Japanese voice actor for johnny plays the part with subtlety. His tone is neutral and speaks with compassion to snake. It's a touching moment between two Profesional soldiers. The English voice of Johnny is cartoonish and goofy and completely ruins the mood of what should be a touching moment.

[@felipedias3229]

I agree with the solidus part. The gene part near the end is wrong, solid still has the dominant genes, but liquid is the superior in terms of skill. Where liquids hatred comes in is that he tought that because he had the recessive genes he was fisically flawed, like a freak, which wasen't the case. It is kinda funny how you two made the same mistake. But Solid having the dominant genes still wouldn't make them have the same voice, DNA is more complicated than that. Naked snake should have been voiced by Kiefer Sutherland 😂😂

[@SavingPrivateBob]

I completely get where you're coming from, but I'm such a fan of what Hayter did with th series that I'm not upset about it at all.

[@gen-zboomer]

I mean, nice video but David Hayter is the man to play the role. Turns out not everything in these games has to be a perfect plot, it can just BE bro.

[@noelrakman9641]

0:29 how about ima judge you first then listen to ur hot take? The only mistake was that David didn't voice Big Boss and Venom in GZ and TPP

[@fineman1064]

i can't disagree but why david hayter wasn't VA for Big Boss (not Venom Snake) in GZ and TPP

[@Boball345]

Agreed

[@oce1989]

Naked was in hid early 20s in Snake Eater. The game was a different setting with a different albeit identical main character, but having Hayter play Naked Snake brought familiarity that the player needed. Its all well and good looking back 20 years later but this was the best choice. We had already been bamboozled in having to play as Raiden unexpectedly.

[@mitchconner4057]

Jack was 29, nearly 30, at the time of Operation Snake Eater

[@cyruscyberdogcyroi8178]

@@mitchconner4057 I thought he was 27 for some reason.

[@TREVORVADER]

Raiden was better anyway.

[@jenpachi2408]

In japanese the main actor who voiced snake also voiced big boss, this video is a bad take imo all hayter had to do was subdue his voice saying it was a mistake is a stretch, the mistake was hiring keifer sutherland who cost so much money he barely talks in the game.

[@kulsevdasi]

Why does Liquid Snake say James Flinders ?

[@Undone545]

I actually disagree not because what you're saying doesnt make sense or because i just love david hayter because I do. But because solid snake and big boss are foils. While solidus and liquid are not. They take after big boss in that they tried desperately to escape the hand of manipulation and raised private armies and uprisings to do so. Solid snake actually inherited the boss' will without even knowing her and continued to give the world a chance by stopping metal gears despite being manipulated to do so. They were the same man but one made the right choices and one made the wrong choices. Liquid and solidus having their own voice actors suits them because they angsted about being clones. Solid has his face and voice but doesnt seem to even bother him

[@specterent]

Doesn't this bring up another flaw in MGS4? If Solidus was the perfect clone, then Liquid, then Solid....why was Solid old in MGS4? Shouldn't his recessive genes meant he didn't age rapidly like Solidus?

[@crystalalumina]

What does one thing have to do with the other? He's a clone, he was made that way

[@capitalism5527]

why should liquid snake and big boss sound simular at all liquid grew up in england and he did adopt the british accent and big boss grew up in america and by this point you should know what i mean by this

[@thompederful]

You have too much time on your hands to make This video its such a small detail that doesent bother anyone

[@mo_musashi_284]

Damm gotta listen to the Japanese versions.

[@UltimatePiccolo]

I disagree. While your genes logic makes sense, David Hayter did a great job as Big Boss. And MGS4's final fight was quite fitting with the implication that Solid Snake is the true successor to Naked Snake.

[@owenmcdonough7720]

i feel like this video came to the wrong conclusion? all the points make it sound like Solidus should've been voiced by David Hayter as well. as for older big boss i think if he was chosen sooner the Kiefer would've been perfect as an older version of Hayter's Boss

[@Xalashaska]

Well that was definitely a hot take

[@MerliiinWyllt]

Liquid was British so that was a moot point

[@ChristopherGoddard-du7gk]

With this argument david still can play big boss with no problem since mgs2 in japan had solidus AND Snake voiced by the same person. Your argument can be flipped and used as a counterpoint

[@hoptown4817]

One can only hope for Japanese language options with the release of the upcoming collections. Don't get me wrong, I love the original castings, but I've always wanted to hear the dialogue as it was intended to be heard.

[@foodwich2132]

Intended? They're not Japanese characters, to me it actually makes quite less sense playing a game like MGS2 set in Manhattan with American characters all speaking Japanese.

[@hoptown4817]

@@foodwich2132 Perhaps intended was a poor choice of wording, as you're correct. The game is about characters with a North American background. To more clearly explain - it makes sense to me that the script was initially written and directed in Kojima's native language, and as such, would portray some notable and even potentially drastic differences in the overall feeling of dialogue. It would be great (for me) to experience that, if only for the sake of comparison.

[@michaelobrien4707]

The game series is amazing your looking into things too deep must have too much time on your hands

[@crystalalumina]

Tell that to the people who spent night and day complaining about Kiefer Sutherland in MGSV too then

[@soap_dagod]

David hayter is the only snake

[@The_Random_Drawing]

DAVID HAYTER IS THE ONLY SNAKE

[@j.r.6627]

Akio Otsuka. Masako Nozawa. It's the Japanese way. Zimmerman did it okay. Solid is the real big boss clone. It is our American take on a Japanese take on an American spy thriller. Even liquid was not Akio-- solidus being akio was clutch, and [probably the real big boss lol so solidus should've been hayter-- but fuck it Cygan kilt it!]