JagerWerks Trijicon RMR CNC Milling on a Glock 19 in the Haas VF4ss

JagerWerks Trijicon RMR CNC Milling on a Glock 19 in the Haas VF4ss
Demonstration of our Glock RMR milling on the Haas VF4ss.
Program is running at 70% speed and without coolant for demonstration purposes.
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[@NathanaelNaused]

I love how many useful comments there are from CNC operators. So cool to read

[@makun16]

I love seeing the proper fixturing for holding the slide but fire the programmer. No reason to do a helical entry on an open contour especially on every tool...you waste time air cutting and put unnecessary wear on the first tool you used to rough with.

[@cryptolegend4643]

I actually face palmed thinking the same thing.

[@waadgaad2024]

I was in PAIN watching this programming. They cut more air than metal 😂

[@johnlilley9363]

Respectfully, would you mind giving more of an explanation for us non-machinists. Specifically what is a helical entry in this context as well as an open contour, and why is it not ideal for this application? Genuinely curious.

[@brandons9138]

​@@johnlilley9363 Open air contour means a pocket with fewer then 4 walls. After the first tool runs there is really only a wall left at the muzzle and hammer end of the slide. The sides are open. At :43 he could have dropped to his cutting depth outside of the part to be machined then enter the cut using the side of the tool rather then plunging/ramping in using the end of the tool. If possible it's preferred to drop the tool into empty space to it's cutting depth then run the tool path. If you don't have free space to drop the tool into then the next best method is cutting in a downward spiral/helix motion as the tool enters the material. At 2:41 you can see he used a helix path with the smaller tool. Here, as with the first tool, he could have entered the part by dropping the tool to depth outside the part. Entering the material using a helix puts less stress on the tool. Sometimes a helix just won't fit the part geometry. In cases like this you can use a zig zag straight line ramp to get to depth. It's not as nice to the tooling as a helix, but it's ok. Plunging straight vertically into material with an end mill is a terrible way to treat tooling and should be avoided. Basically there is a bunch of wasted time and bad machining practices in this operation.

[@brandons9138]

@@waadgaad2024 Yeah, It's pretty bad.

[@jimtran93]

What a sight to see! I knew I made the right choice picking y’all. Can’t wait to see my slide in a few weeks. Would love to see more of this “behind the scenes” content!

[@TexasRedneck]

Did you get your slide back? What did you have done? Thinking of doing this to my g19. Which red dot sight did you get?

[@jimtran93]

@@TexasRedneck yep! I got an RMR cut for my Holosun 507C, and I got the corner cuts to help with press checks

[@TexasRedneck]

@@jimtran93 nice!

[@mr.sluggz5420]

Was it expensive? I’m looking to do my edc g30 and g21

[@jimtran93]

@@mr.sluggz5420 I'm sure there are cheaper places that do a faster and rougher job. But when it comes to my main tool, I didn't want to send it off to a random local shop. There is a good reason people still send in their slides even when they have a 2+ month lead time

[@jacobbowling6247]

FYI with a large side mount tool magazine like that, you can call up the next tool while the first one is running. Just give the next tool command without the M06

[@SchweinungHD]

Would this work on a Mazak too? On the Mazak 510C I'm running, it will ready the next tool before the tool change if I program with the built in Mazatrol. But it won't implement this if I program with Mastercam.

[@jacobbowling6247]

@@SchweinungHD you can modify your post processor to do it (again it only works with side mount tool changers) I made a post processor for FANUC to pre-position the next tool automatically. Also, I’ve never use mazatrol but for FANUC or HAAS you can just put a “T(whatever tool number)” in the middle of the program that’s currently running, I put it somewhere after the H and D values have already been picked up, just in case. And make sure you don’t put the M6 out of habit

[@SchweinungHD]

@@jacobbowling6247 cool! I'll look into it 😁

[@chrisholiday5756]

It works with Mazak just fine.

[@globalrezzanate9399]

Wow... the most inefficient machining videos on you tube.....no, wait.... on earth. Even if you are making money, those toolpaths are ridiculous. Half the cycle time is cutting fresh air

[@patriot5.56]

Love how everyone is a CNC machinist expert in chat....lol

[@lordofentropy]

You must be new to KZbin😁 If you go off the the comments machinists, pilots, welders, chefs, psychiatrists, doctors, SEALs, lawyers, etc, all have nothing better to do than watch KZbin and comment on videos.

[@worldweeklynewz5818]

Ain’t no damned way I would be paying my guys to run some b.s. program like this. Get the biggest end mill you can run and cut everything leave you .005 per side on all walls or diameters etc leave .005 on the depth and send it. Should be cutting the 5th part by 3/4 thru the video. Cutting all that air is cutting into shops bottom line time is money and I can’t sell precision machined air.

[@THR33SIXX3MPYR]

Just starting my first semester in CNC machining, seeing practical applications like this as a gun guy makes me happy. Maybe once I get my hands on something good Jagerwerks can make it even better for me 🤔

[@gearloose703]

Come back to this video in a few years and spot things to improve. Almost nothing in this video is right.

[@LegendCycles1]

Just got my slide back with with a RMR, Spartan, and Para cut. Absolutely phenomenal job. The Tungsten Cerakote was perfect!

[@jagerwerks]

Right on!

[@ChrisWatchesYourMom]

Nice! Makes me want to ship mine out even more. Been looking on their Instagram to figure out which cuts I like best.

[@codytrimble2618]

Do you prefer milled slides over mos I’m new to it and thinking about milling mine for a Leupold delta point pro

[@LegendCycles1]

@@codytrimble2618 if spending that much money definitely go with something tried and true durability wise and invest in an RMR type2. I definitely prefer the milling over an MOS

[@ashemsavage6842]

@@jagerwerksok I got a gen 3 G22 that I want get a RMR cut for a Trijicon how do I go about this keep in mind I’m. A caveman Boomer

[@ntisinger4402]

I've finally found another G19 so I can send one of my slides in and not be down my daily carry! Can't wait to have em both done by you guys!

[@XYLEAN594]

Can I have one?

[@FlyboyUS]

This is a awesome company had my CZ P10s milled for a Vortex red dot,and my CZ P10c the red dot was installed by the company and the iron sights were Lazer lined the owner Steve is awesome.

[@jesusrobles5968]

The probe for work offsets is music to my ears. Edge finder is good practice, but the probe is so convenient when setting up multiple machines.

[@jagerwerks]

agreed!

[@chainsaw2701]

IDK what the actual finished product looks like but I'm gonna say the Helical Lead in was to get the desired tool path look on the floor of the cut. If you did an open pocket lead-in, the floor of the cut may have looked different and not as aesthetically pleasing. It would be more efficient tho if you didnt care. The Lead in for the rougher was a waste of time tho. That definitely would have benefited from an open pocket Lead-in with an adaptive tool path.

[@LoganCoutts]

I have to say, I work in manufacturing as well and there is a balance between keeping trade secrets and showcasing abilities. This video is 100% a showcase and if anything just solidified why you guys are the best. Keep up the content!

[@jagerwerks]

appreciate that!

[@Hernandez694]

I would love to see your company make more behind the scenes content.

[@jagerwerks]

working on it!

[@AdamRud47]

Get a better programmer. There is no need to do a helical plunge when you have room on the sides. Personally, I would have used a 3/8 or 1/2 endmill for roughing. Then come in with a 1/4 or 1/8 to to the finish passes. You’ll also save time by calling up the next tool to the tool changer arm. Call up the tool without the M6.

[@jesusisalive3227]

Seems to me a lot of air got cut.

[@scatpackshon2745]

I just wanna say I seen a lot of KZbin videos with you guys slide cut and in my opinion you are the best. Am most definitely sending my Glock 45 to get cut soon as I get my Holosun 507c.

[@chrisholiday5756]

Nice work. If you take a look at HEM toolpaths it could decrease cycle time and improve tool life. The toolpaths appeared to be old school pocket programs. Not sure if you have tried an endmill that has bottom wiper geometry to give a really smooth floor finish?

[@Kyran31]

Hi Chris I’ve never heard of bottom wiper geometry before and think it would really help me in what I do, do you have any more info?

[@grantorino2009]

Absolutely fascinating!

[@wrangler5729]

So much wrong with this program. What a joke.

[@TonyDSG]

Just got my slide back. Thank you guys! The work is amazing and I am beyond pleased. Thank you!!

[@jagerwerks]

Thank you!

[@daddyden72]

About to send mine in. How long was the wait?

[@TonyDSG]

@@daddyden72 Was right at 8 weeks door to door with the nitride coating which adds a couple of weeks. Definitely worth the wait!

[@ja6995]

Those were some heavy air passes. Really surprised the tool survived 😉

[@ManicMater86]

Great work but just some criticism please clean up that entire program. Hurt to watch by the 2-3 tool. You can definitely ramp those feeds and speeds. Even though it’s at 70% I can tell after 13 yrs 100% isn’t much faster. But this is a career path that strives with you learning and pushing limits. I’m subscribing for more machining content keep it up. Don’t take this as a bash just a push to continuously learn.

[@ritesideofthefence5857]

I’m still rocking my gen 3 slide after three years and the finish is bullet proof. The The RMR fit like a glove without any funky adapter plates. These guys are absolutely the best I’ve seen.

[@duckslayer11000]

When gunsmith's machine.

[@JBadoozle]

I wish I had a probe. They seem so nice

[@luisrivas1712]

A lot of air cutting and a rather inefficient process you have there. Looks beautiful but you can have the same effect in 4 minutes.

[@ConsensusX]

Her: (barely touches me) Me: 15:14

[@Quality_Guru]

Lots of people offer optics cuts, but few if any show the process. I have to ask if you use SPC within your milling process.

[@JosephAguirre]

Judging by how much air they're cutting, they're complete amateurs in manufacturing. I doubt they even know what SPC is. They do good work, but it's because they know what quality looks like, not because they're efficient at achieving it.

[@highvoltagefeathers]

Impressive work but programming and tool progression makes no sense, cycle time could be 1/3 of this or less and yield a better looking part...

[@Shieldsz]

What is the advantage of finishing the large flat surface with a smaller endmill then with a tiny endmill? Basically finishing the same surface three times. If tools offsets match then couldn't you just finish the surface with the large endmill and make the cuts for the locking tabs with the small endmill? Seems like that save a lot of machining time that it takes to go through all that surface with a small endmill? Or am i missing something here?

[@coolbreeze2.0-mortemadfasc13]

I wish I knew what that meant. 😂

[@rhaynesify]

You’re correct, there is a lot of waste in this program.

[@Kyran31]

Only reasonable explanation is they what to create a pattern from the tool path which is why the small cutters are used including the helical lead ins, but that still doesn’t explain why the initial roughing tool has a helical lead in

[@Shieldsz]

@@Kyran31 but no reason to create a pattern.

[@Kyran31]

I know Pierson work holding do something where they intentionally machine something with a specific tool path to create an aesthetically pleasing visual, it isn’t functionally necessary however, this could be the same, I have no idea what this even does to be honest

[@Haaalo079]

I get that it's 70% speed but even than 😅... there must be more time to gain...

[@calholli]

Is there any reason why you guys use that small bit and cut all those lines to finish; does it have a function? Is that for traction, or is it just a little extra aesthetics to set you apart from other brands? Also, do you guys do cuts for the Holosun 509t, and can you please make a video showing it.. I'm about to buy several of them and will likely use you guys. Thanks.. I subbed

[@JosephAguirre]

Honestly it's either for the look looks of the toolpath or it's inexperience. I'm a machinist and programmer working in the Aerospace industry and while I know that their quality is great, watching this video hurt me so much! The tools (all of the endmills) spend soooo much time cutting air. Wasted toolpathing and wasted time means waster money. What was a 16-minute video at 70% speed would be 11 minutes at 100% speed. The cut shouldn't have taken longer than 5 minutes. No wonder they're always so booked. They need better programmers.

[@globalrezzanate9399]

@@JosephAguirre , totally agree. It seems inexperienced programming and a basic haas pocket cycle used for everything. I cut 500 brinell, or 50 Rockwell all day every day and remove 500 times as much material in 6 mins. Flame cut blanks as well. Hope these guys get on top of it and succeed long time as there seems to be a market for it. Also looks like a 50 taper machine so no need for the smallest tooling. But hey, if customer is happy to pay, who are we to argue?

[@kulaid0]

You would save time by having the tools be closer together in the carousel also, unless you have a multiple wide tools you can put the them next to each other and you save time with less carousel movement

[@cheese0794]

Therapy!

[@TwoWheelNinja]

Why the need for a fancy-looking design when it won't even be seen. I feel like this could be simplified way more with fewer steps.

[@steveh1289]

The lack of efficiency in this program is aggravating. 16 minutes? That whole operation should have been at MOST half that time for such a simple program and that is still running stupidly slow. There is no reason to surface that flat 3 times with progressively smaller tools.

[@rustyshackleford81]

Ya know what they say about Haas Mills, here for a good time/ not for a long time....

[@giii7599]

Another idiotic comment. So tell us about all the other machines that run for years and years. 90% of machine failures are people that do not take care of their machines.

[@emoticonfury8726]

Whoever is doing your programming doesn’t know what they are doing. There’s no reason to enter at the center of the pocket. This could be done with a larger endmill DRAMATICALLY faster. You could literally cut this this fast on a X-carve or Shapeoko.

[@moocowgobark22]

Seriously. The probing didn't even take a hit on the vertical surface. Then they used a tiny tool with a slow pocketing routine when they should have utilized a dynamic or adaptive toolpath and entered from the side. Then the finishing with an 1/8in tool, again with a pocket routine. There's only 2 of the 4 walls left after roughing and they want to cut that much air? Oh goodness, and they're finishing it with a 1/16 tool? geeze. Then there's also the lack of tool pre-staging in the post, like come one. your wasting 70% of the time with the machine not even cutting anything. This should be a 1 minute program, with no probing needed. Edit: oh there's drilling too. let me know how straight that hole ends up with all them pecks. IJK

[@lowercvse]

I'm still an MOS boy but man this was a cool watch.

[@jagerwerks]

check out our MOS+ and MOS+ plates.

[@AlexSwan]

Damn, nice work. Who does this in Australia?

[@jesusisalive3227]

Seems like this program cuts a lot of air.

[@normwilson117]

Mesmerizing

[@jrhr4925]

How much would this cost? Roughly, on average, what would be a normal price for this specific job on this slide?

[@cbrjs]

Tap is a tid worbbly for that intricate machine…

[@moo_im_a_cow]

When sending in a slide for work to be done, do you guys provide a new channel liner with it?

[@jagerwerks]

We will take care of the channel liner.

[@tjtj3027]

Really cool to watch, i didn't like the tapping the screw holes without cleaning the debris away first though.

[@Marc-qo1li]

They did a awesome job on my P07. Think the only change I would do is a different color. The grey is almost black. Should have gone FDE. Awesome job guys/gals.

[@Werepie]

I initially read this thinking that you had an HK P7 RMR cut. This was my immediate response, before re-reading kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4aqqXd8bNOMh5o

[@ejbudala2]

when they did your p07. did u mount your optic directly to the slide, or did u purchase a mount separately and attach the optic to that?

[@aaronshirk746]

This is probably one of the most satisfying videos I have ever watched.

[@KnightLineSnare]

Ooooh that’s hot

[@Fierc3Kid]

If this is really how the slide is cut, then bravo. Using that small endmill to finish APPEARS to only be needed between the 3” rad & the nibs, however, finishing the entire cut with it achieves the best possible flatness the machine can generate.

[@13anomalous16]

Are the rapids at 100%??? I thought the SS was supposed to be decently fast on the rapids??

[@ryankingston7733]

16:14 someone FARTS! > just listen closely!

[@pazoura]

Looking at it, I wonder why they don't clean the milling machine during filming. It would have been easier to see.

[@DonkeyzNAction]

I sent my slide to get milled elsewhere, it’s a 19x slide. Do I have to have my slide cerakoted or I’ll be fine with out it?

[@deucedeuce1572]

Besides making it pretty, is there a point to the tiny end mill?

[@opmike343]

It always blows my mind how these machines can chew through hardened steel like its plastic.

[@PaNDaSNiP3R]

Does this do anything to the integrity of the slide long term? Also do you coat them any color after?

[@trace12345678900]

You guys should consider hiring a machinist. I believe it would be a great benefit to the company.

[@30-OTT6]

If my slide already has a cerakote finish, can you just do the optic cut not the whole slide?

[@Dream_Build_Explore]

Too cool!! Just sent you my G19 today for the exact same cut!!

[@jagerwerks]

thank you!

[@iamaustintx676]

Thinking about sending my G19 how long is the wait time?

[@Dream_Build_Explore]

My ordered was placed 4/03/21 and the last update was 4/07/21 saying they received the slide. Nothing since, but I will update once the status changes.

[@jagerwerks]

@@Dream_Build_Explore Per our FAQ there are 3 status updates. Feel free to read about them. thanks!

[@Chocobozilla]

It would be really cool to see a video on the black nitride coating process as well.

[@SubsonicRob]

Hey this might be a dumb question but does the slide work come with an optic plate or do I even need one? Paid for the order today and mailed out my Glock slide. Not sure if I have to purchase an optic plate cause I paid for the sealing plate. Let me know when you can please

[@sierra0884]

Just sent my glock 35 slide. Now to order the vortex viper. Too excited to get it back nicely finished

[@brianivens3338]

Slide milling ASMR for the glock enjoyer

[@TheDkb427]

I have an Arex zero 1tc and thought they were hand cut. This was pretty neat.

[@crabmansteve6844]

Tool paths are weird.

[@shanel4348]

I'm by no means an expert, but wouldn't using a facemill for most of the roughing operations save a lot of time? Regardless, beautiful result! Also, like the others said, I would definitely just ramp on in a linear fashion as opposed to doing some helical plunge with an endmill... kind of silly.

[@martinmartell2252]

they don't want to show their true runtimes. Like how the next tool isn't rotated into position while the previous is still cutting. Plus the stated no fluid for visual.

[@shanel4348]

That actually makes perfect sense, I didn't think of that! Great way to protect their toolpaths and programs in general from theft I suppose.

[@martinmartell2252]

@@shanel4348 ..and people saying "f$%k !!! I paid $100 (or whatever it is) for 8 minutes worth of machining!!!

[@FishingWithHoang]

Climb cut? Coulda used HSM to rough and finish the pocket with a 3/8 EM to cut down time..

[@AGC828]

I'm guessing you guys can cut slots for any RDS mounting plate? e.g. HOlosun 508T/509T, Aimpoint ARCO p2....??...for any slide...Glock 18, 45 or a 1911 Alu or Steel slide...??

[@bertraminc9412]

Love my Glock 17. Amazing work guys! Might send more to you!

[@northernmnmike2508]

Gonna agree with some comments here.. no Pre-Call Tool change. Also... my first foreman told me.... no more than .100" air cut (comp move). If you machine isn't cutting a chip...it's wasting time. About 90% inefficient toolpaths. Also... using a double vise to hold 1 part. Lost potential there also.

[@vicious_machine]

When I used to run cnc machines all we made was the same thing every week. We had like seven different things we made. We'd make a few parts then a few of another type then a couple weeks later we'd make the other kind again. Probably one of the most boring jobs you can have honestly. Just make sure you're good on coolant and you're paying attention and listening to the machines.

[@bertraminc9412]

Is this a Haas CNC? Which model?

[@JohnWick-qw6ec]

And this work kosts how much? I mean now you can gold cover the slide, so much time you waste of with so many tools and changing time...

[@mitchellbowman22]

What’s with all the air cuts?

[@har_space4892]

I can see a lot of time-waste. Especially that the tiny endmill is doing the whole conture again instead to mill just the spots where you really need that small Radius and do the rest finish with that bigger endmill before.

[@wannabecarguy]

This is how they justify the price. Lol

[@williamkeller5836]

Just sent my M&P in for the RMR cut. Feeling pretty good about it after watching this lol

[@DavidBrown-cu1xu]

What's the purpose of the intricate finish pattern? Unless you are epoxying the MRO it's just a waste and adds unnecessary cycle time and cost.

[@556suppressor]

Beats using a Dremel at home.

[@josiahcruz9678]

People are complaining about the programming, but if you know anything about how a company runs (who h I'm sure these people do) you would know that you don't show competitors your exact process/ way to make it. They most likely made an entirely different program just for this video How was this not obvious?

[@gearloose703]

Because that argument is stupid and I would not send or trust this company with anything. It looks like they just got a machine they don't know how to use, let alone program or do customer work with. If their intention is to fool the competitors thinking they are going to be out of business in no time at all then maybe it makes sense but that might turn to reality.

[@josiahcruz9678]

@@gearloose703 dude, the company I was working at is making millions of dollars making valves for SpaceX, Nasa, Military, Blue origin, Etc and they also have privacy rules in place even when they are one of the rare companies that makes valves at such a high level. My argument isn't stupid, it's something every company does.

[@gearloose703]

@@josiahcruz9678 This is a promotional video for the company. If the valve company would show their valves are garbage why would they do it? I know nothing about this company or their other videos and do not intend to find out, but it looks like bunch of idiots bought an (entry level) professional VMC to start a cool gun business and have no idea how to actually use it. Even if they would show a proper job, it would reveal zero secrets as it is not a secret. But I have no misconception about the gun community's understanding of this, I am sure everyone will think it is totally awesome anyway.

[@josiahcruz9678]

@@gearloose703 well that's the cool thing, it doesn't matter what you think it looks like. Any company that showcases work to the public always has ways to keep other companies from knowing exactly what they do and also has written agreements to keep employees from leaking information to other companies. This has been something that companies have done since forever. And that's regardless of what you think it looks or or how you think the company started up. You are wrong, simple as that

[@gearloose703]

@@josiahcruz9678 look dude i sign an nda with everyone before they even tell their name, but none of them would care if i show this kind of stuff, it is trivial. There is some genuine difficult and innovative gun machining out there but this is not it.

[@steele37031]

Way way too much cycle time on this job could be programmed to turn out in 1/4 of this time with half of the tooling

[@EgoFiveFiveSix]

who runs out of coolant? lmao

[@7gerez]

Can you guys cut 226 slides? The milled slides. I’ve had one turned down because they said they couldn’t cut it for RMR.

[@jeridhedgepeth27]

Hmm, look like they win the prize for most inefficient rmr cut ever tried! And this makes someone money?

[@gogurtz1738]

I have a Glock 45, do I send in my slide to you guys to mill it out? And after the milling process, do the coat in the area that was milled out?

[@andrebaran7337]

End product looks great, but I think it’s time for new milling software. That should be done in a quarter of the time.

[@bryanduchane2371]

Wish they had a better view of the completed slide at the end of video. 1 pick of the side just milled, 1 pick of the cerakote and 1 pick with everything installed!!!

[@codybenfield9289]

Can you explain why you drove the probe down all the way like that on the left side. And how do you make it go down different depths on the same action. I am a machinist too. I work on HAAS everyday.

[@dragon0361]

Is the whole slide refinished or just the machined part? Is there an option where just the machined part is recoated?

[@jagerwerks]

We only offer coating for the entire slide.

[@dragon0361]

@@jagerwerks hmmm is the nitride coating as good as the original glock finish? Im thinking about sending mine to you guys this week, but i really like the original finish of the glock.

[@jagerwerks]

@@dragon0361 Yup! most say its better. Feel free to read the reviews on that product on the website.

[@dragon0361]

@@jagerwerks done deal, im pullin the trigger

[@outerthoughts30]

Nice chic

[@dbr0wn23]

When someone says "ItS JuSt As GoOd" im going to send them this video. Great work!

[@aishefasani5635]

Worst optic cut I've ever seen in my life...

[@taterrs2504]

Those fragments remind me of shrapnel from a grenade!

[@TheMillionsCEO]

I have a Glock 19x how much was this slid work?

[@edberrios9127]

My wife and I are patiently waiting for our slides. Well at least I am.😂

[@yankinoz1956]

Do you sell optics to mount after cut is done in a package deal?

[@jagerwerks]

We sometimes carry optics on hand to sell. You are more than welcome to send in your optic with your slide and we can install it for free.

[@yankinoz1956]

@@jagerwerks I'll contact you when I find one. I'm wanting the work done on a 19x.

[@billlee1724]

How much for one without the design lol

[@beanfiend5118]

16 minutes on youtube, 16 months IRL

[@kcstott]

guys should run a thread mill on the holes