Jagex Scammed Their Best Player, So A Moderator Went Rogue

[@ColonelloRS]

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[@typerightseesight]

deadman mode could have been so good. They could have literally just used pvp worlds. banks are safe. you drop 3 items to npcs and a key to other players.

[@girlbye8198]

No thanks - scammer

[@typerightseesight]

@@rawtrout007 I'm certain there will be like 4 life documentaries by 4 different runescape vloggers. no worries.

[@daibaandtheghostmachine8952]

I used manscape and my wife left me for being such a loser. How do I get a refund??

[@Orangeisactually]

Disliked video for valuing money over your viewers' time

[@brent1268]

So much could be solved if they just said "Cheesing the fog isn't allowed." instead of "Cheesing the fog shouldn't be possible."

[@siscokidder]

though that would be a good rule, it risks edge-case interpretations by the community. would eating inside the fog *et al* be considered cheesing? are you allowed to try and force your opponents to stay in the fog (if possible), thus making it easier for you to kill them? perhaps a "staying within the fog for an extended period of time without dying risks disqualification", would be a better way to phrase their desires. though frankly, this is the problem of RS being an RPG: various mechanics and means exist for you to *not die*, and all the fog does is damage you until you die. i'm sure that even if they put a -100% healing received debuff on players in the fog for an arbitrary duration, people would still find a way around it; making it so the fog flags your character as "dead" after a certain point, without you actually dying, would work better since it would be isolated from the rest of RS's mechanics.

[@EpsteinNoSeppuku]

imo the problem is the fog didn't do enough damage. they need to incentivize players more to not be in it. if you can't out eat the fog, you can't sit in it. they could even have it scale so it isn't so bad early, but either late game it gets worse or it gets worse for every second you are in it. Eating in the fog long term would then be a losing strategy.

[@BowlHeadjr]

@@siscokidder no.. stop, you're overcomplicating things. Just "Cheesing the fog isn't allowed" should be enough. Everybody knows what it means and what it implies. Finding ways to survive the fog to hide in it and cheese first place this way is the immediate interpretation and rule that should be followed and any "smart-ass" with edge-case interpratations can be shut down with the point of the rule being for people not being able to win this way.

[@yolobathsalts]

​@BowlHeadjr there's an issue with this. You're being naive. When it comes to competitions and the like rules must be laid out exactly as a law would be. If it is left open to interpretation at all it will be taken advantage of. Look at magic or yugioh for example. There is a reason most competitions rules look like novels. It's to avoid this exact same situation.

[@francisbalfour1243]

It really doesn't matter, it was clear it was meant for you to play outside fog. Finding a way to stay in fog indefinitely is against intended mechanics, aka a bug.

[@EVScape]

Absolutely insane that Ash wasn’t repaid by Jagex. Billion dollar company saved by one of their employees 100s of times and they couldn’t even spare 10 bags. Joke of a company really.

[@TeaJaeF]

That's corporate for you.

[@oKiiwi]

shut up big boy, if it's a joke of a comapny why is it ur life?

[@SilharaTheChosen]

That's every suit for you

[@Rathial]

Jagex is absolutely trash lol

[@hamtier]

jup jagex after 2010 was and is pure trash. they slowly pushed out the creator as soon as they could and still try to ruin the game when they can. only because of people like ash osrs is even remotely as good as it is. it would've faded into history without people like him

[@Stexen]

I used to watch the Jagex live streams religiously back then. Before this Deadman finale, I distinctly remember Ash saying something along the lines of "you could stand in a bank for the finale but you'll die but you could do it" he basically invited people to try to get away with it, and woox did. Woox won.

[@rory8182]

Yeah, like if you want to prevent this then have every player sign something that says "thou shalt not cheese in the fog"

[@iNabber]

mod ash forever the goat

[@BenLynd-w3t]

I'm the goat

[@princesslovelorn7832]

Oml nabber on a colonello vid 🥰

[@Patkilla7558]

Mod Ash is Guthix in the flesh. He continues to be the balance between the players of the game and the staff of Jagex. Truly, an amazing person.

[@austinclements8010]

Guthix best god 😅

[@BerrypickerwithaGUN]

Nothing like rewarding a cheater LOL!

[@kazerama8007]

@@BerrypickerwithaGUN How is it cheating? lmao. Sounds like you didn't watch the video.

[@jeffery1harris941]

Wow. Bro, Ash is the owner of RuneScape. I don't care who technically owns the game, Ash is always there to do the right thing. Dude cares about the game and the players. Absolutely phenomenal (?) act of kindness and "responsibility" - if you can even say that? Ash god tier human.

[@Tory-JJ]

Yeah i love him. Totally a chill humble and intelligent dude.

[@NicoTheCinderace]

Jagex: "You're not getting your 10,000$." Ash: _"Fine, I'll do it myself."_

[@Donkeyman777]

God ash ftw! 😊

[@lowrng3672]

Well where was he when odablock was getting ragged 24/7?

[@TheErikk69]

Odablock

[@vanessaford8235]

> Be a software company. > Be intimately familiar with how your game unintentionally breaks. > Last two times players outhealed the fog. > "What is hubris? Never heard of him." > Say its literally impossible this time. > Dont make a rule disqualifying just in case. > It happens again.

[@NotAdachiPeople]

If it was intended to be impossible, they could very easily argue bug abuse as a bug is an unintended feature

[@neo_child]

Additional context of the situation : The reason why people fully supported Woox over the person who actually won was because DMM was notoriously biased towards clans or just massive groups of people. There were many cases where clans would lock down the final zone and mass attack anyone in range meaning it would ultimately end with whoever has the bigger group. Both sides are correct in this case where Woox won on a technicality but ultimately it was against the spirit of the gamemode. However, the Lolol guy won due to being the last man standing in the final pvp zone after fending off the last remaining players, but it was due to having been part of a clan that made it possible, meaning you had like 20-30 people doing the work for you while sat cozy til the end. Reason why recent DMMs are more 1v1 focused and all about PVP skill rather than numbers.

[@BerrypickerwithaGUN]

This could be prevented by just observing the match and disqualifying anyone who teams, since this is supposed to be a Free For All, this is just another case of Runescape Mods not doing their job LOL

[@toolittletoolate]

"Who actually won" You say that like Woox wasn't the last person standing and wasn't the true winner. On top of the fact the last two tournaments where total scams. The first one half the contestants got DDOSed and D/Ced before it could even start.

[@VNYoshi]

that makes a LOT more sense. Neither of them really went for the spirit of the event, just two different cheeses.

[@kaleidoscopechameleon3067]

This specific deadman mode had no trading, all trades had to go though the AH. I was in the fight solo and lasted till the final 15, clanning wasn't as big a issue in this season as it has been since. This was actually the most fair of all the deadman seasons I've played. Teaming also wasn't against any rules and has been a part of Runescape since the beginning. Having noted food u can unbank and tick eat endlessly is exploiting a hole Jagex left. Woox did outsmart Jagex but he has never won a deadman mode.

[@JamesLard32]

Mod Ash has consistently shown he cares about what the community wants and tries hard to balance it with what Jagex wants. Truly a great JMod

[@CalluimRS]

Ash is too good for us all.

[@Youseeinthisrn]

Dudes seriously the best. I hope every sip of his tea is delicious fr.

[@MrGrombie]

When Mod Ash's time is over, his time should be memorialized by having Guthix, the God of Balance, be reborn in game.

[@scottprice1959]

​@@rawtrout007 Source? 😮

[@rawtrout007]

@@scottprice1959 just google “mod ash stepping down” he tweeted it himself :/

[@KAMA-_-KAZI]

based

[@steamhearteyes]

@@scottprice1959 Source? Its a suggestion lil boy

[@malykot4]

@@steamhearteyes you got eyes. scotty here is talking to a deleted reply

[@VinceMouse]

Deadman isn't about getting the most kills, it's about being the last one standing. And Woox was the last one standing.

[@NicoTheCinderace]

Exactly. Mod Ash did the right thing.

[@EpsteinNoSeppuku]

100% agree. they either needed to incentivize killing for additional points or make the gas do more dmg than it did imo

[@DelPlays]

@@EpsteinNoSeppuku They disabled every other NPC and bank chest. You were not supposed to be able to un-note things after the fog started. Woox knew perfectly well that every other NPC was disabled and that Jagex just forgot about this one, he was 100% aware that this wasn't intended

[@cmoneyBIZNATCH]

​​@@DelPlays so you say he shouldn't win because it shouldn't be possible But it was possible so shouldn't he win? If you found a bag of money on the ground, you shouldn't take it because you should go to jail, but only you know about this bag of money, you're not taking it?

[@julianrogers8608]

​@@cmoneyBIZNATCHno he said he shouldn't have won because he abused an exploit which was against the rules even tho it was jagexs fuck up hence why they never paid him

[@AkumosBDF]

I mean if they gave the cash prize to the last 2 dudes, who also cheesed the fog, I don't see why they'd DQ someone for doing it again.

[@EpsteinNoSeppuku]

IMO the big problem was they didn't A) incentivize kills or B) make the gas do more damage. you either shouldn't be able to out eat the gas, or you should be rewarded more for fighting.

[@MINIMAN10000]

You can also do like call of duty warzone does. You simply don't care that the gas isn't lethal last man standing wins. All bets are off whatever healing supplies you get ahold of, there will eventually only be one survivor.

[@EpsteinNoSeppuku]

@@MINIMAN10000 imo it isn't a good system. WZ has had it better in the past like I described above. it should hurt, but you shouldn't be able to just camp in it imo

[@s-online307]

Jagex is a cheap ass company. They should have just announced a tie and gave them both 10k, as Woox didn't break any rules it's not fair to say he lost. 10k is nothing to them, ridiculous company.

[@Therealbfo]

@@zee-fr5kwbro the company is valued at 1.1b lmao

[@ZaccyZOMG]

​@zee-fr5kw why isnt it ? One won via battling, the other literally did what the company was thought was impossible.

[@A_Goat]

​@zee-fr5kw £910 million (approximately $1.1 billion) company btw

[@mightyhud123]

@@zee-fr5kwit is when your company is worth over a billion, little guy. Its clear rationality and common sense arent your strong points

[@PhrozenFox]

"The company is worth this much" It doesn't take an economist to tell you there's a difference between assets and liquid currency. They raised their membership cost recently.

[@ethanm1574]

And this is why we call him God Ash. Not just because he can help/explain/fix everything. But because hes a god amongst men. He does what he believes is right, even when he "messes" something up. We appreciate you Ash. You are truly the MVP

[@clashtwo5066]

so much this. noone expects perfection, they just want people willing to be accountable and try fixing their mistakes instead of calling players “rude and problematic”

[@spl2238]

Knowing Ash I think he would have gave 10k to anyone. As you said, he was in charge of the fog and he noticed his mistake. So when everyone else at Jagex decided Woox was DQ'd, Ash knew he technically won and didn't break any rules. I think Woox should have won, I understand the frustration for Jagex when now for the third time a non-pvper wins DM but hey... you rewarded the last 2 you cant blame the 3rd for outsmarting you.... Fix it and try again, cant blame the player for your mistakes is my opinion.

[@Crawldragon]

The fact that Ash was the hatchet man and also the one who took initiative to compensate Woox speaks monuments to his integrity. If he really thought Woox deserved the win he could have simply refused to punish him, but he abided by the decision of the mod team despite his objection, and then did what he thought was best to fix what he saw to be a problem. That's the kind of integrity not only as a mod but as a player that I would expect from a moderator.

[@Eddygeek18]

Personally I say Woox won, while not in the spirit of the game mode he was the legitimate last man standing and followed the rules, it's people like Woox who removes loopholes from sports and they are needed. If it was me running the event I would of declared Woox the winner with 10,000 prize but either add an additional MVP prize of for lololol.. or asked Woox and lololol.. if they would split the prize which could of been a nice sportsmanship moment. It would of been important to me to acknowledge both players achievements.

[@AceOfAre]

Lmao putting someone on the spot to split would be a horrible move.

[@reflexnebu1797]

I thought the same too splitting the money when there's an actual clear winner who didn't break the rules sounds like bias to the other player

[@TiptoeAndDoomsday]

That's a nice way of putting it.

[@king5327]

Literally all Jagex had to do was make *one single tile* safe from the fog. Just a single spot where the last man standing could chill until everyone trying to cheese the fog was dead. Or make an AOE around the final spot have an interaction with how the fog works: have it deal less damage the fewer players are there. Better yet, rather than counting players, count the total number of hitpoints in the area, so that the last two players can only die from each other.

[@hayesy9693]

It’s amazing how the tournament was 8 years ago and corruption at Jagex hasn’t changed, if anything it’s gotten worse with what’s happened to Oda, sad really, Andrew Gower never wanted this for the company he created and it’s astonishing how little of his influence remains :/

[@DutchClawz]

The game has a special place in my hart, the company has a special place in hell.

[@AxeTaxFax]

Wild that jagex played it this way. If they feel so strongly about not letting someone cheese the fog, do your best to code it properly but just have a cover-your-ass rule saying that any ways to survive the fog are unintended and that bug abuse will be deemed unsportsmanlike and lead to disqualification

[@Microtardz]

The fact that 10k is a big number to Jagex's ownership says a lot about the company. Ash never should've been in this position to begin with. Jagex should've just paid out both players. Jagex ownership has long been incompetent. It's just realizing how incompetent they really are that's crazy.

[@Ricardo_Rick]

They really did that player dirty considering it was Their mistake, i'm glad mod Ash was nice enough to actually give him something

[@verneve]

You can't make up a new rule partway through, so Woox clearly won. BUT he did so against the spirit of the game, so awarding him alone the prize would have been a slap in the face to the player who won "correctly." Ultimately, the correct solution was to pay out the prize to BOTH of them; one prize in recognition of the player who won as intended, and one prize to Woox to acknowledge their own mistake in making it possible to survive in the fog. After all, if they felt the other player was the "true" winner then, as the entity offering the prize, they were perfectly capable of ALSO rewarding that player alongside Woox, even if that player did not technically win. This was also the correct solution the previous two times this happened. If they could not afford to pay out two prizes (or simply refused to), then paying the technical winner, apologizing to the other contenders, and resolving to do better next time would be the next best solution. You know... what they already had precedent for doing the previous two times?

[@Will-ki7us]

Items dropped to the floor when you died is how RS was before OSRS. Deadman mode kind of brought it back. If you were fighting a boss with a rando, they ended up with your gear lol.

[@nerdlord2288]

Well hey you had what,5 minutes to get your gear back! With all the teleports etc available..o wait

[@OmnipotentEnt]

There's a reason Ash is the most beloved Mod at Jagex. This is someone that truly cares about the game and the player base. We're lucky to have such a great person at a high level for OSRS.

[@codeisme]

Ash took it upon him self the responsibility to ensure the fog mechanics worked. He failed. And like a Man, he bore that responsibility. He could have just said "nah fuck it, doesnt matter you lose" but the Man understands what the word responsible means (unlike most humans today) and did what he thought was the reasonable thing to do. I will never not love the Man, God Ash.

[@gamewithadam7235]

Jagex probably didn't like the idea of people making exploits in their game mode that were clearly oversights by them and not play-tested well enough.

[@TillaTime]

It irks me so much that they waited until he won before disqualifying Woox. Idk if he SHOULD win from an unintended method, but they were asking to be proven wrong if cheesing the fog "shouldn't be possible" and not "is against the rules". Were they just that confident the fog was strong enough, or that he would fumble his inputs enough?

[@Falney]

All they needed to do was say "trying to win like this will be deemed as cheating and players trying to exploit healing to survive in the fog will be disqualified" after the first time and everything would have been. The level of arrogance necessary to act the way they did would make you think they were playing ultima, not runescape.

[@OneWishOSRS]

a Colonello vid on a friday night while i afk some redwoods

[@ColonelloRS]

Sounds like a good time :)

[@andresanor8663]

Same but anglers

[@TheMainZen]

i'm literally at redwoods myself lmao

[@Greg_Buckingham]

Woox won

[@mrr7486]

By cheating

[@zanewederell9571]

@@mrr7486 Explain how he "cheated"?

[@ultimaaxe]

@@mrr7486 How? He didn't even use any exploits. He used in game mechanics that were not banned or against the rules. So explain how he cheated? LOL If Woox gave enough of a damn, he had legal grounds to sue Jagex.

[@JoshNotJohn0]

I've never played OSRS but I feel like if someone takes advantage of such a gross oversight, thats on the company. The fog shouldve just been an instakill timer rather than a health drain imo. You make it a slow process you lose hp from and yet have so many healing items and cool spells youre gonna have your evil poison fog cheesed..

[@AcesPrune]

Honestly, such an easy fix, just code it so that after a 1 minute in the fog consecutively, or, 3 minutes total (excluding the final, forced-fog, central point), you'd receive a debuff from the fog, that would result in; eating while in the fog, healing you for nothing, and tick eating in the fog, poisoning you. Still, Ash is a god tier human

[@denen404]

jagex failed the community in this situation 100%

[@huntersw2]

Mod ash the best employee jagex has ever seen

[@shedrankit]

Woox won. Ash and everyone else knew it. Woox wins, Jamflex looses.

[@uhlan30]

Jagex didn't say staying in the fog and surviving wasn't allowed; they only said it shouldn't be _possible._ That implies that if they're wrong and someone finds a way to do it, it isn't cheating.

[@SulliP1492]

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[@liquidnick]

you know what's crazy. I have never played RuneScape (I was a hardcore Ultima Online player and we considered RS to be beneath us at the time lol) But, these videos are amazingly interesting and well done. I commend you on keeping the attention of someone who has never played the game and has never watched a single video on it. Great work

[@jeremymiller3172]

Me enjoying this storyline while stoned: 😃 Me watching woox predict a RNG: 😱

[@shestolehim1231]

I open up KZbin, I see Colonello posts a new video, I click it, I like it, I watch it. It’s a simple as that.

[@ColonelloRS]

Love to hear that, thank you :)

[@beardalaxy]

Part of the whole strategy of these types of games is just to survive as long as possible. It's not solely about getting kills, it's about living. If players can find a way to live without killing, they deserve the W. Mad props to Mod Ash.

[@TheNewRobotMaster]

"No, you didn't win in the way we said you could win so it doesn't count" Standard SE response to anyone playing FFXI or FFXIV in a way they don't like. I guess Jagex decided to borrow a play from SE

[@OGYouTubeEnjoyer]

Jagex should have awarded both LOLOLOL and Woox the top prize. It was their fault it wasn't coded properly and tested before hand. They said themselves it wasn't against the rules yet they still disqualified him.

[@alexholbrook7707]

was that laptop drilling clip a nightmarerh clip? lmaooo

[@KGAGamer]

People just get so mad when someone out smarts them. I wasnt aware of the tournament or who was the winner, but regardless of Woox being a famous player or not, he WAS last man standing and should have won. He was smart, did what EVERYONE does in Runescape, manipulate the system and outsmart others. Plain and simple

[@Dazen101]

8:50 Wow, Jagex is the worst. What a joke

[@patrickbenjamin4]

I haven't played rs since middle and high school like 02-05, but I'm loving your content bro. Extremely entertaining and well put together stuff man. Thanks for the memories

[@Phuzzi]

Ash really did save the day. Jagex was content with altering the rules last minute, but Ash wouldn't let that stand.

[@DrewStoltz-z6q]

That nightmareRH clip was CRAZY nostalgic. Thank you for that

[@blazerfox22]

On the off chance ash sees this suggestion: make the dog a stacking debuff. Every tick you take damage and receive a debuff, after enough stacks of that debuff you gain a second debuff that increases the damage of the fog by 1 stage. This would make standing in the fog for a long time completely impossible.

[@polarpedro365]

These videos bring me much nostalgia. Still have my account somewhere, log into it every so often just to have a look at things. Only ever played free mode and I miss those days where Varrock and Falador were always crowded. Sucks I couldn't afford membership back then, and now a days I wouldn't have the time to invest in the game. Eventually I just cleared up the entirety of my friend's list because it was just kind of painful looking at the list of names that'd never log in again. I miss those days, they were better days.

[@Diafragmates]

See it as a bug bountry reward? Ash should've been reimbursed or this would've happened a couple DMMs down the line regardless.

[@AngryLlamaAttack]

this is why regression testing sounds so simple but in reality is so hard

[@FunMixTime]

1:50 NightmareRS 🤔😅

[@malnkylee9721]

Nightmarerh*

[@HorrorScoped]

Watching this live was insane. Thanks for the memories, both good and bad lol

[@JTZIII]

This is very simple. Did woox break the rules or not. If woox didn't break any rules, he should have won. Plain and simple. Jagex thinking that pking him in game was the best solution is an unprofessional move. That's why Ash felt guilty and paid him. Ash knows the rules, knew he didn't break any, and paid him. Jagex has been "running" this game for over 20 years. How are they still THIS BAD at running this game??

[@ultimaaxe]

Ash was probably also looking out for his job in some degree as well. He knew Woox had legal grounds to sue Jagex over their behavior and the entire thing was recorded, so he had all the proof in the world to win his case. If Woox decided to sue, he'd win. There is literally nothing legally binding that Jagex could have put forward to counter Woox. Which meant Ash would be the fall guy for both failing to code out what Woox did AND also for being the one to kill him publicly on stream. Do I think Woox would have sued? Nah, he didn't seem to give enough of a shit to do it even before he got the money. So Jagex got a huge break there for what could have been even more disastrous PR.

[@OverwatchSIX]

Ash is the type you want working at your company regardless what company it is - tech related or even skilled trades related. He coded the fog & overlooked something. What does he INSTANTLY do? He admits that he made a mistake & he covered the damages. Instantly. Before running it @ high level at the next meeting or what have you (Corpa people will understand what I mean here). Ash #1. Forever. I am sure him & woox if they ever hangout, the tabs on Woox. For a long time LOL. I am sure with how smart Woox is. He isn't hurting for $ at all and lets all be honest in our mid 30s these days. 10K vs the whole picture here from friendship to where you came from & where you are today with this game being a massive part of it. Is it really something to even worry about? Money is money. You'll always make more if you get out there & do your thing. Everything else, is priceless.

[@p33p_show]

I wouldn't be surprised if he got a ton of shit from execs for doing this. Made the company look like the cheap fucks they are. What's another 10k to the advertising/marketing/damage control budget in the grand scheme for a $b company? He never shouldve had to pay out of pocket for this in the first place.

[@alexpluskett241]

The fog mechanic seems to be the problem here. If we look at most battle royales that use a zone based consitrctor, they have two mechanics in place to prevent zone campers. 1. Escalating damage, either by time spent in zone or by stage of the zone. For this event, it should be based on time spent in the fog. 2. Some battle royales also will speed up the damage ticks or apply a healing debuff. I think adding these would prevent this kind of victory in the future. I think the way Jag can apply this is have stages of the fog. Doing this will allow people to either avoid fights early and be forced to take them in the late game or save the fog damage for late game so they can save on scare resources. Also, you can either have it so people who take damage from the fog get a healing debuff OR have it so that those who are actively in combat or have been in combat within the last 10 seconds can get full potency from healing benefits. This would allow a person who just killed a person to get to full health and prepare for the next fight and then engage. It would also prevent zone camping like the three who won. I don't think that they should punish zone campers for their mistakes though. It makes zero sense to punish a person for doing this. If it was in the rule book that this was not allowed then ok, you gotta pull the plug earlier. It also seemed like TO was not watching the interal feed of the event because it appears that this player wasnt found till near the end of the event. If this case they should have a make up event and make it clear to the participants that this is against the rules.

[@Dr.Dirtyred]

This all could of been avoided by making it where everyone is Auto ported in the same place at the same time

[@Oct0ber_Skyy]

Petition for “Age of Ash” quest to commemorate all of his development and social contributions to the game.

[@KingKatura]

Theres alot of rogue mods just saying. 11:48 No he wouldn't of i can answer that because of what one of them recently did to me.

[@johnedmonds5653]

I love these videos man! I treat them like podcasts while I’m working and it’s a chill way to relax in the afternoon. Appreciate you!

[@NEWGHOST9]

I think woox didnt deserve the money as he didnt win he exploited which clearly not intended, i think rightly so he was disqualified, kinda defeats the whole purpose of competition imo. At the end of the day doesnt rlly matter what is done is done

[@teddyhh9947]

Should've declared both players the winners and given both 10k, its a paltry amount for jagex anyways

[@austiniscoolduh]

wtf how is he solving the random number gen though??? 6:30

[@LionHeartSamy]

If you Google "woox solves google rng" you can find Reddit threads with lots of technical explanations for it

[@HANHITSI]

The universe runs off his brain power so he just decides the numbers simple as

[@EpsteinNoSeppuku]

how are more people not talking about this? what did I just see? lmao

[@SirZafiro]

It's just pseudo-random, of course, so he found out which algo they're using and the seed (probably some datetime?) would be my guess. Not as mysterious, but still impressive dedication.

[@beardedchimp]

Pseudo-random numbers are generated from a seed number. Typically you create the seed from sources of high entropy (randomness), a linux PC for example feeds in temperature fluctuations. However, that seed value doesn't just determine the first random number but also all the following ones. Games in the 80/90's hardcoded the seed so the sequence of generated numbers was always identical, speedrunners love abusing this. If you want each random number to have no mathematical relation then you require a constant source of entropy, a PC can run out of entropy but cryptographic servers use entropy generators utilising things like radioactive decay to pump out keys/seeds. Most use cases don't require this added level of complexity and cost so make do with feeding a single seed into a good algorithm which opens it up to cryptographic attack. If you record say one thousand generated numbers in a row then you can use the mathematical equation in reverse to derive the initial seed, which lets you know all future numbers. Google could use one of those servers to feed new entropy on each "Generate" click but I presume they didn't bother as it'd be asinine to build something secure off google search results. There are open source tools and even browser extensions that can do this seed discovery for you, I'd guess he just used one of those rather than being the researcher and author behind such tools. While that's not exactly impressive on his part, the original researchers deserve all that mind blowing respect and more.

[@staCats]

They could just had something like "You need to have killed a player within the last x minutes of the event" that way people can't hide in the fog, and if they do, they're not killing anyone so are ineligible to win. (or something like, you need to be within X tiles from the center point of the fog)

[@MrFluffytheTurtle]

I'm sorry but that fucking google number generator clip is wizard shit what the actual hell

[@Ironbattlemace]

Yeah what the fuck. That boy got some brains.

[@leedonativo7180]

Exploiting in game is cheating , most games have a tab to select exploiting game when reporting someone for cheating

[@hatad321]

The previous winners did the same thing and weren't disqualified.

[@KrazzyKlown]

Woox could have solved the lottery and instead he played runescape.

[@Cameron-m5p]

Ash is first mod in history of mods to be a game moderator and a chad at the same time.

[@PokieDokie]

if its in the game, and not in the rules, then it is legal until further notice.

[@kani1926]

Woox surviving reminds me the quote, "The graveyards are full of heroes"

[@malthesrensen4953]

If they really wanted the story of the guy actually winning the pvp battle (which makes sense), i think it would've been recieved pretty positively if they had just declared both as winners and payed out 10.000 to each

[@d4ngerd4n]

You'd think they would just make the fog do more damage the farther you are from the center/other players

[@colliefields4637]

There's a reason why his old Forum avatar was the Wise Old Man. Such a legend is our Mod Ash!

[@TyLetsPlay]

4:59 my man was determined to 1 item that 1337 guard LOL

[@dylanvh9465]

This is what should push devs into making their game better, instead they act like they have no knowledge of what happened

[@suhhhkyle]

The devs made the mistake of saying "Its not possible" instead of "Its a DQ" before the event started.

[@stab456]

God Ash is the main character of this planet, we're all just NPCs in his story.

[@Lance-ii6sg]

I used to love RuneScape when I was 16 and even early early 20s. But now that I’m 26 I honestly don’t understand how people can still play this game and enjoy it 🤣

[@kaidusplatinum987]

The organizers literally broke the law and did something super illegal, it’s nice the mod made things financially tight but most of them should still go to jail. Dissapointing to see how awful some people are and should not be in charge of anything

[@KinSav]

BRAVO Mod Ash. You are a GOOD DUDE!

[@Mexican00b]

remember, JAGEX has been sold at least twice in 5 years...

[@simshadows]

Well if he didn't cheat then he won, simple as that. "Players won't be able to survive the fog" != surviving in the fog is against the rules. In my opinion both final players should have been declared the winner. Jagex should have paid the 20k and avoid community outrage. They should have aknowledge their mistake frankly.

[@mrflawless1165]

Mod Ash has always been legit. My favorite mod.

[@daxxaxx5882]

Yea, idk, exploitation of a mechanic that the devil themselves thought was impossible is pretty cheesy. It's an unfair advantage in competition, can't really respect it.

[@daxxaxx5882]

*devs

[@daxxaxx5882]

*devs themselves

[@jpnf007]

So they did what some people do in battle royals, be smart(you don't need to kill people you just need to survive to win so you can just be stealthy or camp until the final fight). One person noticed he could just out heal the fog, the next person found he could out heal with a prayer, and Woox found something the devs missed and again out healed the fog. Did the devs not think to do what battle royals do with their "fog" and make it so it increases the damage until you can't simply out heal it???

[@MusicMemes2009]

If there isn't a feature already, it would make sense to do what Fortnite did and add a storm surge mechanic for events like this. So people are forced to pvp in a pvp tournament

[@EdotYT]

DMM (from just watching this video and reading comments as I have never played it myself) is about surviving if you can find a very insane and precise setup to survive THAT LONG and THAT LOW on HP WITHOUT cheating I think its a clear win to woox. they didn't break any rules or abuse any glitches, the figured out a very difficult and hard to pull off strat that required a lot of prep and commitment which is arguably harder than the PVP stage as you have to be consistent, if they missed one food heal they would have died. i think in the heart of runescape woox won as it has always been about how players can evolve their playstyle and strats to get the outcome they wish for, if that strat is a lengthy setup to out heal something by the digit I think it's a deserved win.

[@chefgamerskills3874]

Wood lost that's a cheap move and required no effort what a joke wood is a looser

[@jaymaxwell8645]

10:28 Ash not only admitted his mistake but also took accountability. That shit is rare.

[@imnotftw]

anyone with common sense can see that's obviously cheating.

[@HaniiPuppy]

The UK has a whole body of law on fair competition and the allocation of promised prizes. *Not* paying Woox the promised prize money after he won could _easily_ open Jagex up to being sued/fined for a much larger amount.

[@Ketooey]

You would think that they would just code the fog so that it would do increasing amounts of damage the longer you stood in it.

[@titusg4247]

Other than the money, the silver lining here is that whilst he didn't win according to the judges, even if he had won, this tournament would have faded into obscurity and been forgotten about. With this having happened, this win will be immortalised on the internet & will never be forgotten as a result. He got his money & he will be remembered far more than if he had just been declared the winner normally. In my opinion, I think it's actually better, plus, the majority of people support he idea he won regardless. Hardly matters what the judges thought at the time, so tbf, I think this outcome was even better.