Jagex you can't be serious

Two steps forward, one step backwards. An update with good intentions ruined by buffing whale mtx buying power
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[@killler240]

As Yak Track replacement, I think it is an improvement. As daily challenge replacement, it is bad, and clearly made to sell more MTX, but they cannot say that.

[@malicekooper]

They can't say it but the Players aren't dumb we all know the truth

[@SL4F]

good concept bad execution basically

[@killler240]

@SL4F they really shouldn't have advertised it is an 'Major Update' stream. People immediately think of content. Just labelling 'Important changes to Yak Track and dailies' would have helped greatly.

[@killler240]

@JourG215 I never use them, but some people like them. MTX is in all games, unfortunately, so you just have to hope it is a system you like

[@theoneandonly8037]

jagex: "giving free keys makes it so you don't wanna play runescape so we won't be giving out those 3 free keys each day" also jagex : "would you like to buy 200 keys? that seems fine i don't see that impacting anything"

[@bigbrisk8423]

Literally the only reason I do the challenges is the 3 free keys😂😂

[@OidhcheMhath]

be honest jagex, what you really mean is "giving free keys makes you not want to buy those 200 keys"

[@painnmisery2582]

@@bigbrisk8423 only do em myself if i see reaper points or deathtouched dart in the rewards

[@FearTheOldB]

Players: "reeee we hate treasure hunter and mtx content so much evil Jagex is KILLING our game" Jagex: "we want to remove free keys BUT we introduce a new system that will still give you the same amount of free xp items daily its just that TH now becomes ramped up a bit because we had to scale it a bit down since we were giving out so many free keys. So you wont lose what you already got, but TH will get ramped up a bit so if you do buy keys rewards will be better". Player: "reeeeee theyre taking away my keys wtf. Theyre taking away my keys that I say I hate but do still participate in like fkn crybaby hypocrite reeeeeeeeeee".

[@Tony-ct9sd]

@@FearTheOldB yeah because people can still p2w? That's what people complain about?

[@Galimeer5]

My heart goes out to the developers who've poured their hearts and souls into this game, now being forced to make this trash that ruins it. All because some corporate suits who've never actually played the game want to line their own pockets.

[@kjax139]

@@ahmadbashir3102the updates around keys making this game even more pay to skip skills is what is ruining the game. This the yak track update to make more people pay

[@MasterJazz09]

Games definitely not ruined lol go play old school

[@Just_Flipy]

​@@ahmadbashir3102 but its not runescape "good" they have talked about how they can add so much more content, yet all this content is temporaly... nothing is ADDED to the game. its all events that are removed after with just cheap souless tasks, thats what we have slayer for so we don't HAVE to have these things. but it looks like they look at other MMORPG's and jsut copy shit???? we don't need that, look at osrs leages, thats been buildng and fixing with each event. drasticly changing it each time. but this???? how is this an big update???? how is this what we wanted?

[@tonynguyen8166]

So let's be honest rs isn't getting enough new players nor is it getting as much revenue as ppl think. If rs started off removing LGBT stuff that would be a great start.

[@MrCow579]

@@tonynguyen8166 releasing passes like these doesnt help with getting new players either, if I see a game as a new player thats paid to play and filled with mobile-like MTX, which is usually on FREE games, I'd be like helll nah. If I didn't have bonds, I would have been gone and many others with me

[@lemmingship3469]

I felt a massive surge of nausea and indignation come up when Mod Jack uttered "we want to make the keys you have matter more". I would really like to know HOW or even WHY this should ever have a positive effect on anyone hearing this, because they're not the first company to do this and the last four that I recall hearing this from have gone under because it shockingly never works out the way they want it to! Fuck everything about this, they've just sobered me up over twenty years of digital crack abuse like nothing else ever has. Cheers for the memories, I'm out.

[@Ex-qg4cr]

I dipped out a couple of years ago because of MTX and bad management. Occasionally, I check up with updates to see if anything has changed. It's clear they have no intention of listening to the community and will continue shoving MTX down the throats of their players. At this point I hope they go bankrupt tbh. The Carlyle Group can kiss my shiny metal ass.

[@twysong3]

Lemme hold ya loot lmfaoooo

[@exantiuse497]

It goes to show just how stupid and out of touch the corporate people are. I literally could have spent 1 minute making up a better excuse that wouldn't have riled up the players like that (just say there are too many keys being spent and that affects the economy; it's still disingenuous because you can buy tons of keys with RL cash but at least it isn't generic corpo-BS à la EA's pride and accomplishment)

[@kjax139]

@@exantiuse497 honestly for them, just saying the truth about why would have been better than this COMPLETE BS statement. We all know why but they want to lie about it every time. It’s jagex, you don’t have to hide who you really are. We all know, it’s time to come out

[@edlin21]

The biggest let down is the removal of keys from dailies at the very end and the statement of giving oddments more value. When in the past oddments were a pain to balance and causing more trouble. They've added so many "microtransactions currencies" that are already hard to balance and still insist on adding more spaghetti, keep in mind dailies have been reworked twice. Instead of removing actual active content, I rather they remove the old content that is useless like certain minigames. that to me is the biggest disappointment.

[@HellHunter00]

I actually think there would be benefit to buffing dead minigame rewards. I used to quite enjoy playing a number of them until their rewards basically became a joke compared to other things that could be done in the same time. Alas, there is no profit for Jagex to do this and they're in the milk & kill mtx phase for Runescape. It's sad to see a once great game be ruined by corp greed.

[@FearTheOldB]

I dont get why people can hate on this new system but then cry about losing out on the free keys. Hate on treasure hunter but betraying by saying theyre sad about the keys, that they infact engage with treasure hunter. Thats so, so hypocritical. Just take the freebies and continue playing man what the actual fk do you care. The game is getting better and better. Necro has been so good, more stuff is coming, who fkn cares theyre trying to make a little money. You dont have to use this system man. Why are some people torturing themselves so by gives so many fks about this?

[@a_angry_bunny]

As an ironman I am overjoyed at all the better oddment uses I won't have access to.

[@Runeknight101]

in a better world they'd remove treasure hunter and dispense the rewards from various mini games.

[@travismontgomery1897]

My disappointment is immeasurable. And my day is ruined.

[@meglok4081]

Losing dailies and keys absolutely sucks. I hope jagex gets a huge amount of negative feedback on this.

[@JJWilson-g5s]

Na keys are for noobs

[@janberteloot5435]

What? Daily keys are going to be removed?! :o

[@Sowa238]

fuck rs3 anyways

[@RockBandRS]

@@janberteloot5435 No, you'll still get the free daily keys; it's daily challenges and the keys you get from those that are being removed.

[@cable4463]

I hope this is a play to try and remove treasure hunter from the game all together, but we can only hope

[@kjax139]

Oh they’re serious…..seriously mental

[@Kranon]

Indeed

[@Ex-qg4cr]

Been playing on and off for 20 years. Quit a couple years ago because of poor management and excessive MTX. Necromancy was almost enough to draw me back, but I wanted to wait until all the post release changes were fleshed out. However, after this, it's clear Jagex still doesn't care about the player base or the heart of this game. I don't think I'll be coming back anytime soon.

[@VivaLaCam]

⁠@@Ex-qg4crnecromancy has been great and they’ve actively been working with the community to make things better as it goes. This isn’t the mods/people who created and love this game doing this. It’s the corporate suits who only see it as a cash cow to line their pockets.

[@exantiuse497]

@VivaLaCam You have two options here, either the content staff is fullyon board with all the MTX BS; or they hate it but are completely powerless to stop it. In either case the end result is the same, more and more, worse and worse MTX

[@Randomturtle001]

The removal of dailies sucks, I was using that to gain Xp for Agility, Prayer and Runecrafting.

[@pray4dropz438]

Same! I for one, am bummed out :(

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Yea well guess keys are back to a purely Halloween and Christmas discount purchase

[@FunniesRS]

personally, on dxp i was grinding herblore for 120, and after spending hundreds of mills on potions and making elder overloads, they introduced protean shakes, then they nerfed bosses from dropping herbs and made them only drop seeds, this was supposedly to fix the issue of cheap herbs and them coming into the game too much, but almost if not all herblore training is done with proteans on mainscape which is where the economy is, yes a lot of people still make potions but since the introduction of the protean shakes there is a vast chunk of the playerbase not interested in spending money on herbs... they try to solve a problem but then sell the issue back to us in the form of items from treasure hunter... it's like the problem isn't a problem if they profit from it

[@malicekooper]

Exactly . The Economy is a huge mess BECAUSE of all the Protean training methods

[@MrPlumpii]

The change to daily challenges is very clearly motivated by jagex wanting to sell more keys.

[@ross.wilson]

people like yourself perplex me, should their goal to be to sell less keys? how do you think the game gets funded ffs

[@Jackson-sr4fk]

@@ross.wilsonfound the shill

[@hmmokayboi]

thanks for spending your savings so osrs can keep going@@ross.wilson

[@MrPlumpii]

@@ross.wilson I challenge you to read my comment again and point out where I claim that they shouldn't want to sell more keys. You can't because I didn't. Actually reading the comments you reply to is a good way to make sure you don't make an asshole out of yourself.

[@goodvibes4891]

@@ross.wilson if only they had some way to get reoccuring payments for their game. 10/10 idiot shill

[@runicrow7289]

This is only being done to satisfy stockholders and corporate. This is absolutely not something the players actually want. It all just comes down to "How can we scrape more money in"

[@painnmisery2582]

rs3 really needs to follow os and actually protest both ingame and with (not giving) money. but we wont, and will just continue to bitch on reddit and participate in the crap they churn out anyways

[@Tony-ct9sd]

@@painnmisery2582 the problem is that people do protest but its useless when 70% (random number) ignore the problem or continue to pay, it is a hard task to tell people to stop doing what they've been doing for years.

[@exantiuse497]

@painnmisery2582 Not true, at least not categorically. I have played this game since 2005, I have three accounts with active membership. I have cancelled the membership on all of those accounts and will not renew them, that's 3 subscriptions gone. And I'm not the only one. The camel's back has been broken

[@kjax139]

@@exantiuse497 but it’s clearly not enough people doing it is the thing and their whole point.

[@RockBandRS]

@@exantiuse497 Some whale is going to spend enough money on this every 3 months to make up for your lost subscriptions. If stuff like this didn't make tons of money, they wouldn't keep doing it. People have been complaining about OP promos for nearly a decade now, and Jagex even claimed they'd tone it down like 7 years ago. Since that claim, it's only gotten worse.

[@stevenponcho293]

I don't mind the hero pass. It's probably an improvement over the yak track. However, I'm disappointed by the nerf to daily challenges. A fun short activity to get some solid xp, and rewards that are otherwise impossible to get on an ironman.

[@ZarkarGames]

right? no way I'm going to do an 1h daily when I only needed 3 seconds for my farm challange, teleport to farm, gather any animal, claim challenge, IDC about the key, remove them no worries, but leave daily challenges as they are ffs

[@bergzwerver]

I'm hugely for reducing dailyscape but out of all the time gated content daily challenges are by far the least intrusive.

[@kjax139]

Can’t wait to hardly do these daily challenges that now take up an hour of my day

[@TheEsparoba3]

what are you smoking if you think they are the least intrusive? like it's literaly the most intrusive time gated content, heck it's the second most intrusive thing in the whole game. Everytime you log in there is this big red notification on your adventure tab annoying you to complete those challenges, after you complete them you get a big red notification telling you hand in those challenges, after you hand them in there is the big red notification to redeem your weekly progress reward and a big red notification to redeem you keys. like they keep on bothering you with it untill you complete all the above steps. no other timegated content does this. I don't get notifications to do the oyster, nor do I get them for the motherlode maw or red/crystal sandstone, heck even the yak tracks arn't as intrusive as daily challenges. the only thing that is more intrusive in the whole game is the popup to redeem keys.

[@kjax139]

@@TheEsparoba3 okay we get the point. You don’t need to over exaggerate the 1cm red notification for dailies.

[@FearTheOldB]

@@TheEsparoba3 i hated them too. Glad theyre gone.

[@noobs4lyfe]

​@@kjax139LMAO I was just thinking that, the red notification ain't even that big. The guy typed his heart out about that dang red notification.

[@qprs]

This was a well put together video, thank you for explaining it so clearly. Hopefully jagex reconsider the daily challenge removal

[@MikeysPsyche]

Honestly I don't mind the Hero Pass that much. I would never pay for it, so it wouldn't affect me (I already buy premier so this is just a bonus I guess?) HOWEVER, I hate that they called it a "TBA Major Update". I think that's why so many people are upset. Also, some of the buffs (like ED4 buff are way too big)

[@MikeysPsyche]

@ahmadbashir3102 yep 100%

[@Eyes0penNoFear]

​@ahmadbashir3102more like "core pay to play experience" update

[@stalehuman7585]

they also made daily challenges no longer give xp

[@karters1528]

@@stalehuman7585 wait, no xp at all? sounds like ill never touch them

[@videocrowsnest5251]

You more or less said what I am thinking, too. It's just odd...like why? Why hype something like this up like it's some major core gameplay update? This no doubt is exactly why many people are quite upset, because it's really a baffling choice.

[@Eyes0penNoFear]

Jagex: MAJOR UPDATE!!! Also Jagex: We're increasing the bottom line for our shareholders.

[@jackbrown5184]

Technical in this case it’s a top line increase. ;)

[@sodiepops592]

Yeah so bad when a company you enjoy the product of makes extra money from optional microtransactions right

[@jackbrown5184]

@@sodiepops592 I’d agree with you… but the game has become so dependent on MTX. Nobody does anything anymore besides proteans and dummies. The XP is so OP that it literally defeats the purpose of doing any of the skills… I noticed that I just started to log in for dailies to stockpile these things pretty much for DXP.

[@Eyes0penNoFear]

@@sodiepops592 you make a valid point. And I've already come to terms with the fact that I'll need to actually train the last 3 levels of dungeoneering. Like many others have said, the top management of Jagex seems to be so far out of touch with the game itself when they say this is a major update to the core game. Everyone was hyped up about what that could mean, only to be punched in the face with the realization that they only seem to care about the money. They're a business and they need to make money, I respect that. But this embarrassment of an announcement shows that at the top level, this game has lost its soul. I feel terrible for the devs. They put their blood sweat and tears into trying to make the game as amazing as possible. And they do a great job imo. I still love RuneScape. But you can see from the Livestream that their bosses told them to hype this up, then defend it as if it's the most amazing thing to happen since the "cook-x" option. The devs are stuck trying to convince everyone that the lipstick they put on the pig *actually* makes it beautiful, even though everyone knows exactly what it is. TLDR: I'm actually ok with fewer keys. But management is embarrassingly out of touch, and the way they hyped this announcement has left a bad taste in everyone's mouths.

[@qwerty_and_azerty]

This is a MAJOR UPDATE…. For lining the pockets of the investors

[@r0260064]

Two things here: 1) Hero Pass (if less work) is a great upgrade from Yak Track 2) Everyone would have thought this would be a great update if they left daily challenges alone and included ironmen.

[@jokerkhrono]

"We are giving out less keys so you have to buy more keys."

[@RemiliaVampire]

"It's not a nerf, we are just removing free stuff"

[@Mahjarat]

I actually enjoy logging in for my 3 daily keys, because I love stockpiling oddments to buy more keys during interesing promotions. This is kinda stupid now. Most runescape players are paying for the game anyway. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@shannon5231]

It's updates like this that always drive me away from the game. Occasionally I come back to try new updates, like necromancy for example, and then shortly after they make a change like this. I am not surprised.

[@belandino]

I never cared about Yak Track or whatnot, so I will continue to enjoy Necromancy. Time passes and I like it more and more!

[@kjax139]

I only really come back weekly now to restock my auto alcher

[@vildiac]

The removal of daily challenges is not at all gonna be a good change. The keys, I don't care about personally (though I agree it is unnecessary for them to remove the daily challenge key reward), but as an Ironman main, Daily Challenges were one of the best xp methods for getting XP in skills like herblore. I hope they see the error in their ways, though I feel that now perhaps it's too late and they're sticking to their decision.

[@99sonder]

I really appreciate this objective viewpoint of the heropass news! It's clear that while you have your own opinions, but you still look at what's presented for what it is and don't let your personal opinion get in the way. This lets people know what Heropass is in such a concise and clear manner and makes it easy for people to make up their own minds on what's happening with the situation

[@sodiepops592]

This viewpoint was not at all objective, objective would involve discussing the viewpoint of jagex and their position in the marketplace of mmos, to mention necromancy as an expansion and not mention that it cost the player 0 extra dollars is unfair to me when complaining about a companies monetisation landscape.

[@Deliciousindignation]

I just started an iron a couple weeks ago and this update removes daily challenges. Idk how to feel about this. I feel like I will actually need to train herblore, which is what mod jack seemed to touch on briefly. Also, the nerf to combat xp is annoying because everyone is crashing me at the abyss. I really hate how the abyss is the best way to train all 4 combat styles.

[@Scuttleftw]

The removal of daily challenges is a HUGE nerf to ironmen.

[@painnmisery2582]

@@Scuttleftw ive stopped doing em short of reaper points and death touched darts. just not worth the time after midgame imo.

[@PluckyInc]

"First they came for the Sift Soil task, for i did not speak up, because fixing artefacts was fast. then they came for the old planks, i did not speak up because i already completed my fort. then they came for the ritual distraction XP, i did not speak up because i already got 120. then they came for the Yak Track, and there was no one left to speak for it."

[@lTSR0BBY]

This is my bad guys, I've used too many free keys from daily challenges. I didn't mean to hoard the proteans, I'm sorry jagex.

[@HellHunter00]

How dare you! Hoarding proteans is reserved for paying customers, you peasant!!

[@Zigzag99999]

2 hours per day is definitely more than "moderate" over a year

[@Beriorn]

2 hours per day every day for a year is a full month of RS per year. That's not very "moderate", no.

[@exantiuse497]

We all know 2 hours isn't anywhere close to being enough. More like 4-6 hours. Jagex wants its players to play no other games and to do nothing in their free time but play Runescape. That's why you have FOMO events that actively encourage you to play for unhealthy amounts (portent buffs, 24h double xp, parcels of the dead etc)

[@MegaChickenfish]

At least by knowing nothing about this initial misleading announcement I didn't have any dreams to crush. Thanks Jagex for failing to post anything about this on your homepage! I didn't know until Reddit.

[@Moto1987]

Its on the homepage. Post went up the second the stream finished

[@josho5314]

I'm gonna be honest, I have bought a couple bonds here and there to sell when the price jumps up. I play for maybe an hour a day and have 5 skills left to max. A good few months back, maybe even a year when I logged in I got a offer for 30 keys for the price of 15, I thought why not, it's £4.50 and one of the treasure hunter events that gives lamps was on. I hate dungeoneering and lamps and daily challenge skips have been pretty much the only way of leveling it. Sinkholes are barely populated these days and the amount of times not enough people show up just isn't worth trying sinkholes. I truly do not have the sanity to actually do dungeons every day on my own. I've got that offer once again, and I bought it. Now I am in no way trying to support mtx. I don't condone it, especially now. The double xp we just had I had two days off work but didn't get to use all of my dxp time. Absolutely smashed construction, fletching and agility though. The day before dxp started, I logged in and saw an offer pop up. The event on at the time I think the prepare to train can quite decent in terms of prizes. Boys I wouldn't have been against buying it. I don't have the time I would like to play runescape and they just added a new skill. Their greed is the perfect counter to my lazy. I want to point that I used to smoke cigarettes until a year ago, I spent at least £10 a day. It is too easy for me to justify £4.50 once or twice a month. And this is one of the many mindsets mtx preys on. It wasn't the normal offer though. This time it wanted me to buy 200 keys and offer me 400. That's just under £90. That's far more than I've ever spent on a game, though it's not even a game I'd be buying, it's fucking keys. I had to double take, I was genuinely disgusted. I closed the pop up and I haven't had any offers pop up since then. Removing the extra keys in dailies makes no sense, it was the only reason I would do them and I liked the occasional dung tokens in the prizes from dailies. I only have about an hour to play with, I already have my herb run, inv machines, shop run, vis wax, sandstone and a couple stuff to cram in. If it's going to take about an hour to do the daily stuff, well, Jagex(moreso the string pullers who have nothing to do with the game development they just want money), you can fuck off and I just simply won't bother with your battle pass. It's things like this that make me take longer and longer breaks from the game. It's been a semi jokingly goal of mine since I was a literal child to max a character on this game. Please don't fuck that up for me. You've had your players stick around for decades, actual decades, that's insane to think about. Give us the same respect we give you.

[@Tony-ct9sd]

I thank you alot for buying bonds, its genuinely one of the most if not the best monetization models there is, don't want to spend your hard earned cash? just play the game :), now most games are "ohhh you want it? swipe 20€ or burn to hell" and really, don't feel bad for buying 4 pounds of keys lol, be happy u didn't give up and say "oh its just 90 pounds for 180 pounds value!". And an opinion I have which is sadly not true, it shouldn't be the customer fault if the company tries to do sketchy and disgusting things (like selling skins for overpriced or anything really for overpriced)

[@bighouse581]

It makes sense if you think about it you throw out the fat juicy bait of necromancy release, they let you swim with it a little then set the hook with their new MTX once active player count rises.

[@YanlucasxD]

Hero Pass isn't that bad, the problem was hyping it up so much MAAJOR UPDATE, bruh

[@RDB33]

feel for you RS3 players, as an OSRS main i know you guys take the brunt of all this crap.

[@belandino]

Necromancy is awesome though, would have been an amazing skill for OSRS too. But I look forward to Varlamore.

[@painnmisery2582]

dont worry, youll get yours eventually. from what ive heard forestry is a step in that direction.

[@painnmisery2582]

@@Zero-qb4rii wouldnt say that, theyve got the massive amount of bots and pvpers with like 10 different accounts for specific pk setups.

[@Tony-ct9sd]

@@Zero-qb4ri Based on what? I'm pretty sure osrs makes money, quite alot I believe

[@exantiuse497]

@Zero-qb4ri Lies. Subscriptions make up more than half of Jagex' revenue and OS has around 3 times as many subscribers. MTX make up the bulk of the rest, we don't know the exact figures for each game but even if we assumed that no MTX revenue came from OS (which isn't true because OS bonds count towards MTX) OS would still make roughly the same as RS3

[@WhatBeDaPointMon]

I'm so over all the battle passes, I almost wish we went back to straight up loot boxes. I miss when games didn't try so hard to shovel microtransactions down my throat.

[@29_lets_go]

People buy them, they'll keep coming.

[@marshallc6215]

​@@29_lets_gothat's the real take. If it negatively impacted their bottom line, shit would change *real* quick. But it doesn't. It works. As much as players grumble and groan, people will still drop money for 900 keys because it's "such a good deal" and they'll do the same for this.

[@malicekooper]

Can't in today's world as to some "countries" Lootboxes=Gambling=Illegal and then players from those countries couldn't play

[@60052]

so wait jagex said hero pass reduces dailyscape then changes daily challenges from taking 1 minute to 1 hour?

[@Demolition91]

right lmao, the whole thing is half baked.

[@qwerty_and_azerty]

Now we know why all the secrecy around the update…. Couldn’t announce this up front as players would have given negative feedback

[@Holothewolfx]

I have no idea why jagex fully understands there is far too many daily activities in game and then makes NO attempt to convert them into weekly or monthly. There nothing saying they couldn't chance sandstone to refill once per week and just have 7 times the amount. If they want less daily then convert stuff.

[@Memento-MoriX]

Just got back into the game after 10+ Years real life afk. Love the current setting, still a grind but a lot easier it seemed for people who can only play for like an hour while and get keys for xp before having to stop and go be an adult again. Oh well. Sucks to suck. P.S Protoxx your 1-99/120 videos are a God send. Really helped me get back into the game, thanks man 👍

[@TheRealXyvar]

I just won't interact with the content unless it happens to give me rewards for what I was already doing anyway. I certainly won't be spending any money on it or caring about it at all, really. With this game I feel it's important that we vote with our actions, so I plan on doing this until things get better

[@Tony-ct9sd]

The problem with nowaday gaming is that, yeah 1000 people dont do it hell even 100k, too bad those 10k that do spend so much that it doesn't matter that much

[@Skies152]

I Hoped It Was A Graphic Overhaul. Or Even A Player Owned House/Town System

[@GlobalIdiot101]

POHs definitely need to get the OSRS overhaul at a minimum.

[@logansatomi9150]

OKay Protoxx and all you other content creator you want to do something useful? Well heres your chance. Time to start making videos daily and pushing back on Jagex right now to make them stop and you content creators have the power. All us player have the power we just gotta push back on them and hard. No more saying "it sucks, but what can we do." No we hit them where it hurts and thats their pocket book and the people pulling their strings.

[@Leonscott80]

Man, I just saw the announcement of the Hero Pass and thought "this is cool", had no idea that they were going to remove the dailies and their keys with such a blatant lame excuse like that

[@PhoebeMokfullofsoundandfury]

I think they should seriously consider reworking or just totally remove the whole treasure hunter keys experience. Having and using a massive amounts of keys does not guarantee good drops from them, the whole system is based on luck which is essentially encouraging gambling from your users to obtain them. And that’s really bullshit lol. Flooding users with false hopes of getting a premium drop is just terrible way of doing a trust worthy business (which in this case it’s gaming). I’m glad that content creators like you, Protexx is actively speaking the truth to these greediness, and I hope you continue to work for those core values for regular folks like us who wants to have fun with the game.

[@TTyronE_]

1. This shouldn't have been labeled as a major update - simply put it is just a cashgrab and players know it. 2. Replacing Dailies with this, just to get rid of Daily Keys is extremely problematic - why not just make the replacement and make those 3 keys still earnable? When Jagex say that keys should be exciting, then I would expect them to NOT offer me 2x keys on 200 and 450 keys every other week. 3. The above, paired with the XP & Content "Buffs" is just a combination for a pile of steaming hot shit. Damage reduction in ED4 will affect the economy of the game, despite this being an MTX-based update (I don't care if MTX is used to bring in a new "dye" - but it's an issue when it can actively trade the prices of existing items ie; BOTLG pieces). 4. More cosmetics and overrides which are OPTIONAL are always welcome - but they're going at it the wrong way, especially after the success that is Necromancy, it feels like a slap in the face.

[@sithisrants4154]

I was excited for once about a mysterious major update. I was thinking we'd finally hear something about Next Gen or a major overhaul of some kind. Way to overhype a Yak Track and daily challenge nerf

[@TheFlyingslug]

Honestly? The system itself doesnt seem too awful, but all of the changes around it definitely sting. Looks like those hero's packs would fill in the gap in rewards from the weekly track you could fill by completing Daily Challenges (though DTDs are notably missing) but now we're losing the ability to gain daily XP in skills we may not necessarily want to train outright, and we're loosing the three free daily keys on top of that. Also, what happens at the end of the Hero Pass? Do players who complete the entire thing not get to continue doing challenges to get rewards? Are they going to release a new one immediately and start the cycle again? Sounds to me like the route to mass-scale player burnout if jagex churns out these passes en-masse. Cosmetic and XP rewards are nice but i hate the fact this comes at the expense of systems that already exist ingame. Would much prefer they just release this as Evolution of Yak Track and not touch the daily challenges system.

[@nathanielmathews2617]

Depending on how it is dealt with, assuming it isnt as long to level as the Yak Track, it can generally be fine. But yeah, making a big announcement stream was not justified. A regular news post then a Q&A would be enough.

[@SatanKarma1]

To the steam reviews. Make those Corpos at Jagex hear our voice.

[@GRIMHOOD99]

Steam userbase is like 10% of active players.

[@RexKiller17]

Huge let down :( dailies are the reason I get on every single day and then depends on if I stay on or not

[@EricChamplin]

I wonder if Trailblazer stacks with the Treasure Hunter Totem? If so, I just went from "not at all interested" to "...okay maybe"

[@kenglucktan8996]

Jagex taking us players for fools like always.

[@FearTheOldB]

Players being smooth brained cry babies like always.

[@daydreaming5365]

Microtransactions have been on a consistent spiral downwards basically since the day Squeal of Fortune was released. It started off small and not too strong but slowly over the past decade, Jagex has repeatedly pushed it as far as they possibly can before getting backlash over it, then they just tone it down ever so slightly to make their playerbase happy, then push it further than it ever was before. It's been in a constant cycle like that and it's been getting especially bad in the past couple of years.

[@Knuffeldraak]

I mean, The hero pass itself isn't bad, it's practically everything we liked from yak track but got rid of a lot of things that people did NOT like about yak track. However, it is absolutely disappointing that this was the thing behind what's announced to be a "major game update". Also, do not be deceived by saying that "this battlepass is 2 times as long". With exception of the gap between level 99 and 100, the tasks do not become harder or longer to complete. 1>2 will be exactly as easy as 98>99.

[@RunescapeStoriesWithToel]

Found the Mod's Alt. Dude I've hated Yak Trak since like the 3rd of. MTX galore. Removing the YT and NOT replacing it with something just as bad or worse would have been the right idea

[@Knuffeldraak]

@@RunescapeStoriesWithToel You know that there are better ways to simply disagree with someone's opinion without directly trying to invalidate them, right?

[@notnubilous3804]

This update has the scent of The Carlyle Group's grubby little hands all over it

[@Animoo]

daily challenges are the best thing ever made, them nerfing it is going to suck badly

[@zukodude487987]

Dailies was good, but now its just a mess. It was never a problem, why did they suddenly feel like it was unnecessary? They could have just had both dailies and the hero pass.

[@Emil.torsti]

@@zukodude487987too much ”free exp” without grinding, people are not buying keys to skip the grind when they can do it with daily challenges + free keys

[@benwil6048]

Lol, I didn’t even notice hero pass. Scrolled right by it, just auto-ignored it. Thought it was a very small update

[@J3dotgg]

I really don't care about them changing up their battle pass system at this point. What really got to me was them presenting this as a content update, creating anticipation for an announcement of new monetization is seriously missing the mark smh.

[@trolltothebank]

So frustrating - the amount of times I’ve seen a cool skin or cosmetic and realize it’s locked behind some TH event long before I started playing is countless - the daily keys helped me at least get 1-2 pieces of these sets.

[@shaunhurt]

Amen

[@extradrops6989]

I never had any desire to finish yak tracks and def dont see my going out my way finishing these passes just gone continue playing the game as if there wasnt a battlepass system

[@lDreamMaker]

Was already insane to have lobby time increase to 10 mins instead of 12 mins. I'm amazed by their delusion

[@HopeYukizmizu]

China and american investors need their money

[@rp19888]

Kinda fucked up to put mods to stream this as major update 💀

[@mavelost2238]

I dont know why everyone is so mad, its nice to see them continuing to push each skill to level 120, it just happens to be time for MTX to get that update to 120...XP

[@kjax139]

Lmao. This was funny 😂😂

[@cheekyjebus5559]

ah yes that's what I want in my runescape game, my 2 minute dailies to become 40-60 minutes mandatory per day.

[@joelmulligan8213]

We want to make keys feel more valuable by…wait for it….not giving them to you.

[@unknowfornow35]

big question. how many of there items that are being offered by the hero pass... are legit just graphic updates.. That they are trying there best to sell back to us the player?

[@Hirokey123]

None because you can’t buy skips for this.

[@unknowfornow35]

@@Hirokey123 Hi from the future. Thankfully those. you can buy Underworld Emblems and Hero Pass Levels with bonds! hahaha

[@feralferret5868]

Absolutely NOT poggers

[@xZACHEDELICx]

What hood and gloves does protoxx use?

[@Kyle-Mcc]

I hate how my main account doesn't feel like it's mine anymore. I truly miss the days where RS was just a big sandbox and I can interact with it however I want.

[@belandino]

Necromancy is amazing

[@MargotDobbie]

​@@belandinonot sure what the relevance of that is in relation to the OP....

[@RS3Stealdusk770]

i just came back to the game a month ago; I'm still trying to learn. Dailies kind of gave me the opportunity y to train skills I haven't trained in years.

[@holly_hacker]

It's a great time to be an ironman

[@RmXs]

it's not, they taking away dailies from us.... that was the only way to get 200m agility, and other skills that are harder to train...

[@soonahero]

@@RmXsthanks for the tldr. At least now there’s less pressure to 99 less fun skills for eliminating them from challenges

[@cosmic_pvp]

​@@RmXs I like this change as an ironman that has been doing herblore dailies to get to 120. I hated that dailies were so good you never had to train the skill to level up that doesn't fit what an ironman account is suppose to be. The one annoying thing about this change is that people have already abused dailies for a long time, while new ironmen will be at a disadvantage. If you got 200m agility with dailies only, it would just be an insult to anyone who actually trained the skill the intended way.

[@animositee3775]

​@@cosmic_pvp bro what? You had to max to even maximize dailies to 120 herblore, and even if you extended it daily it would take on average, just under a year from 99 to get 120 herblore. Actual active herblore was always faster, but the dailies was a nice cushion for when you didnt feel like training it. But saying its unfair to new irons is dumb cuz training a skill to 120 with just dailies is a very long investment, and even longer if you don't get all 3 dailies on the same skill.

[@cosmic_pvp]

​@@animositee3775 I don't like the fact that daily challenges allow you to level up a skill like herblore that requires gathering supplies. Daily challenges give a ludicrous amount of xp at every point in the game, so that there are a large number of players who will login to the game purely to complete them and then log off. Your argument that I needed to max to put all my dailies into herblore doesn't work all dailies are overpowered not just herblore dailies. You don't need to be max total to turn off a daily only maxed in that skill so it doesn't take long until you are only getting dailies in skills you don't train because you will max the others naturally. The rng in the early game also makes for a bad experience. If you start playing the game at the same time as someone else, they can progress much quicker than you just because they keep on getting herblore dailies. Active herblore training is not faster than doing dailies. That is a horrible argument. You complete dailies by training herblore they stack on top of each other. If you don't feel like training a skill, it is your fault for playing on an ironman account. If you were a main you could just lamp the skill or buy mostly everything else from the GE. It is unfair for new accounts in the early to mid-game. You can easily get multiple levels a day just from dailies. Also, it might be a long investment, but it is a guaranteed one that requires two minutes of work per day and it allows you to skip an entire part of the game.

[@Isomorphist]

I saw that they made an announcement recently on rolling back on something of the changes? How much of your critiques are effected by their roll back?

[@BornForBBQ]

To be honest, maybe I'm so used to other games but I don't think this is terrible and looks kind of fun.

[@GRIMHOOD99]

Can you name me a subscription based game that has a core game battlepass?

[@sodiepops592]

@@GRIMHOOD99 What about a subscription based game that requires players pay for their expansions? Oh, basically all of them apart from rs....

[@BornForBBQ]

@@GRIMHOOD99 not at all, I’m referring to systems in games like Call of Duty that have similar daily tasks and missions. This sounds kind of fun to me, especially as a player who often looks for things to do. I’m not saying this is great or that Jagex is absolutely in the right. I’m just saying as a casual player this sounds intriguing and actually kind of fun. I’m not trying to start a debate.

[@jcbtiller]

So let me get this straight. They add a ton of things to oddiment store that you can get while playing the game and save for. Then they take 99% of the stuff from that mainly free store and split them up to add to the yak trak store. The yak trak store had a limited time so while you can get stuff just from playing, you will probably have to buy bonds to redeem for yak coins if you want most of the items. But your yak trak coins at least can be saved and used when ever, just earning them is limited. So you could save through multiple traks. Now they are making a whole new system? Are they going to gut the yak and oddiment store more to fill this new one later making any coins/oddiments people have worthless?

[@hukaman88]

Can this finally what brings the rs3 community together and bring back the good old fashion riots? Can we burn falador to the ground like the old days? We dont need toake enough noise to change the shareholders choice, we need to make the noise so media can pick up on it and all the bad press will make then least rethink. We do it in osrs when we have to and it works. For once the rs3 community needs to grow a spine and throw down the cannons

[@SquidgyPixel]

This is the unfortunate effect of Jagex' current owners.

[@hukaman88]

​@@SquidgyPixelhence make enough noise, bad press happens, things change. Look what happened in osrs when they tried to ban the hd plugin. Enough noise was made, bad press happened, jagex backed off

[@SappyCrapFor100]

@@hukaman88 yeah and because of that change in ruling the game has become over ran with bots on boss highscores and in pvp people using scripts to 1 tick switches. Reason why they wanted to ban the plug in cause it was affecting their anti-cheating software, but the osrs community is far from the brightest bunch, its all about "me me me" and what is happening in the moment, without the consideration of the long term effects that sort of thing will have.

[@omegahaxors9-11]

Cute this guy still lives in 2016, hasn't learned a damn thing.

[@SleepingForestGaming]

they just s**t in our faces and we had our mouths open for that one

[@saltykraken9471]

If only they focused on improving the game as much as they do milking the fan base. This is why in 2023 we still have ps2 graphics.

[@Rylus571]

i guess this sheds some light as to why we didn't get that massive prime gaming key drop.

[@ronzerker390]

The only reason I'm actually pissed about this whole thing is that I stayed up an extra 2 hours to watch a bunch of nothin. God damnit Jagex 😮‍💨

[@nedal1alex123]

When they first introduced the squeal of pain, their entire shtick was that it's awesome cause anyone can take part JUST BY LOGGING IN! Seems like they're backtracking on that right now.

[@SageLion.]

One of many reasons why I went to osrs

[@belandino]

I play both this won't affect me in the slightest

[@Galimeer5]

And here I was hoping the next Yak Track would be a mashup of all the previous ones to get necromancy caught up with the other styles in cosmetic overrides. Silly me.

[@zaccochran4025]

Wow I came back to rs3 for necro and now I’m leaving again. I’m so tired of this mobile gamer-esque mentality and battle passes and shit, anything to get players to spend more than membership…it’s so fucking pathetic

[@OrchinX]

Bruh they've sold xp for over 10 years, THIS is your line? A better battle pass?

[@zaccochran4025]

@@OrchinX yes, I quit awhile back to because I was tired of the constant milking. If you wanna sit here and be drained that’s cool, you do you.the way the announced this and just double down on everything isn’t for me. I’ll go back to Baldurs gate now

[@Sandnessen]

Do we have any idea for whom decided to implement this Hero Pass? Not thinking about the mods etc, but who amongst the higher ups made the mods make this?

[@TheReviewPigeon]

i like the idea of a new yak track and dailies setup if the rewards are actually worth it. If it's gonna be something nuts like 15 mins of work for a med xp lamp that'll be a waste of time for just about anybody so we'll see how it pans out

[@malicekooper]

More like 40 mins for EACH task from what I've heard

[@redfinite27]

how will the battlepass be unlocked? is it still with bonds? do you get automatic pass with Premiere club? or do you have to fork over your credit card to unlock it, like most games with battlepass systems

[@Aaronsplace]

Premier gets it free regular members and f2p players can upgrade it for 3 bonds (25 dollars) every 3 months its an extremely expensive system when you look at other battlepass games ( fortnite, cod etc) the battlepasses usually give you enough currency to buy the next one if you finish and they are 10-15 dollars so its just a worse system in every regard

[@redfinite27]

@@Aaronsplace yeah the pricing is pretty horrid here... what the hell Jagex...

[@Summer-of8zk]

this is the exact reason why i quit rs3, if there were no MTX i would still play

[@Oakvista]

So they are going to buff keys to make their profit more on key sales?

[@koji8123]

Oh shit. I didn’t know it was 22 days after Nextomancy release. In hindsight I should have expected it.

[@LokiFM]

Mod Jack just made the argument to remove Treasure Hunter, I know Jagex won't see it like that, but all he said applies to having the items behind a paywall as well. ITS STILL NOT the intended way to play.

[@DylanKJohnson]

So it's basically Destiny 2 seasonal pass, but in rs3?

[@dtaggartofRTD]

I am worried it'll really shaft ironmen with the removal of daily challenges and the weekly rewards, but I reserve judgement till I get around to playing it. The new Hero pass thing IS a major update, and it does look like it fixes a lot of the issues that the Yak Track had including being a net reduction in mtx. Framing seems to be what ticked everyone off. It didn't live up to the hype of necromancy

[@guitarisdeathofme]

The letter says the yak will float in the sea by karamja. I wonder if we will be able to see the yak floating around now and then

[@cloud999yt]

hey protoxx did they say if any of the rewards will be given to ironmen as well or just the cosmetics, like all the other yak tracks. if it's just cosmetics then it's pointless for me atleast lol i don't play enough to grind that for no gains...

[@Emil.torsti]

Just the cosmetics for ironmemes

[@cloud999yt]

so more useless content then lol@@Emil.torsti

[@moptop2678]

I’m not toooo upset about loosing my keys on a daily but keep the daily and exp boost it’s great! Even if takes an extra 10 minutes to complete like maybe clean 100 herbs not 6 but still give that large exp lamp bonus!

[@tomsharman3136]

They promoted the increased free keys per day for Premier accounts. Keys were a massive selling point for some people. The treasure hunter promotions that are put out are around for 3 days long tops, even just 28 'free' keys a week isn't enough to earn even a single TH costume piece. Also feels like we're being punished for using the content from TH (Protean and Dummies) just how it was originally pitched to us. I fully agree that Yak track needed an overhaul though. They didn't touch on how much base time a player needs to invest in to level up, without doing missions. Does it take 4 hours of play skilling to earn 1 level for example? As as a player who only has maybe 8 hours free time a week playing, previous Yak Track was difficult, so this will be even harder to get to 99, or even 120. They also mentioned that they wanted a more healthy playstyle for content so came up with this new system... From level 70+ previous Yaktrack to level 120 doesn't sound healthy at all...

[@Emil.torsti]

But you can always buy our bonds to skip to the end if you dont have time to play :) - jagex

[@768lbman]

“Keys go farther” bro I got 8 lamps from a free key

[@yokdahaneler.3418]

i bought 450+450+ treasure huınter key and keep waiting for dual chest treashure hunter event. are they dumping my keys soon ?

[@professorscitwi3384]

I think its a great idea tbh, the Daily Missions aren't gone they are just bundled into the pass so you are still doing the same thing and getting "more" from it. Removing Yak Track is good too that system was just not good, since they are basically copying an improved Battle Pass from other genres and other games they have a lot more information and tools to work with. The argument about keys would be more sound if they removed a lot of junk items from Treasure Hunter or reduced the amount of keys you can also purchase with irl money. I get the point and the theory but just changing that one thing wont really reach the end goal. I'm optimistic about the new system and I think that while not perfect it shows improvement on their part.

[@smoldrizzo]

I swear every mtx update pushes me to make an ironman

[@GlobalIdiot101]

It's a lot of fun. You should go for it.