The Complicated History of Turnham Green

[@LouisOnAir]

As a wise sage once said, "I flex on these haters, I Turnham Green"

[@batchint]

but not a ham street turner… sage…🎉

[@DavidLewis-zg6xr]

Decent station n nice area! 👍

[@StevensPaul]

🟩🟢🟩🟢👍

[@kevinnicholson7722]

@@DavidLewis-zg6xr bit windswept

[@DavidLewis-zg6xr]

@@kevinnicholson7722 😃😄

[@petertooth2831]

“Turnham Green with envy!” Like it.

[@Bruce-h8w]

The old'uns are the best!

[@rjjcms1]

I wondered if that one was going to be crowbarred in.

[@pauljmccluskey5532]

Make those who don’t live there, jealous lol 😝

[@nmarks]

Envy should have been the next station along 🤣

[@markgatland977]

51 years I've lived on this spinning rock, I like to think of myself as quite educated and erudite, but today you have introduced me to the word 'impecunious'....trains and language, thank you 😊♥️

[@KevinTheCaravanner]

Still don’t know what it means. Sounds good though.

[@tantaf123]

I’ve had a rough weekend to say the least. But watching the newest Jago video puts a smile on my face :)

[@stinchjack]

This is The Incredible Hulk's favourite London Underground station

[@Calum_S]

I have a Pavlovian response whenever i hear "Chiswick" of picturing/hearing Brian Blessed in Blackadder. "CHISWICK!! FRESH HORSE!!"

[@Trek001]

I have the same thing

[@MichaelDembinski]

My Pavlovian response whenever I hear 'Turnham Green' is Ian Dury singing 'This Is What We Find": "Single bachelor with little dog, Tony Green of Turnham Green Said, "Who's a clever boy, then, girl" Yes you know whom I mean 'Cause the mongrel laid a cable in the sandpit Of the playground of the park Where they had been And with a bit of tissue He wiped its bum-hole clean A bit of claggy on the waggy"

[@rjjcms1]

@@MichaelDembinski And I've still never tried a curry powder sandwich.

[@MichaelDembinski]

@@rjjcms1 Or eaten half a pound of uncut pork!

[@66PHILB]

I have the same thing stemming from The Italian Job. Fulham... bit dodgy at the moment.

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

"Turning to Turnham" I like the tenuous link... Many years ago when learning the route between Leicester and Manton Junction the instructor told myself and the other 'road-learners' "It's easy to remember, we hang 'em at Langham, and poke 'em at Oakham". How relieved I was that the next signal-box wasn't at Duckham.

[@georgegard.aka.currymonste1498]

Brilliant that made me laugh 😂

[@cliffordxt3]

😂

[@usvalve]

How many tube stations are there? And now I've got to find a rhyme for each of them! It might be best if you had a blank at Bank.

[@rjjcms1]

Or Buckingham.

[@rjjcms1]

@@usvalve Ivor Biggun probably did.

[@gdwnet]

I've learnt about Turham green and I have a new word to use "impecunious". You learn something new every day.

[@willwhite1575]

You've made my day Jago. After hundreds of videos you're bringing it home to Turnham Green. Weirdly the other morning a Piccadilly train did stop during the rush hour morning peak as the District line was having one of its too common failures. It was a beautiful moment.

[@edwilson5416]

I've happily used this station many times. The tabard pub, as featured, does good beer and food just around the corner.

[@Trek001]

Back in the late 90s or early 00s, a D stock train somehow was given the wrong signal indicator and sent to Hounslow West. After getting the meeting with his manager minus the tea and biscuits as he should have looked at the route set before leaving and given an official warning, he was thanked by the same manager for "Attempting to reclaim the line to West"

[@BritishBeachcomber]

I remember when District Line trains used to run through to Hounslow West. That's why there were 4 tracks, so the faster Piccadilly trains could race their green cousins.

[@martinhampton6964]

Fascinating (well, to me) to see the LSWR map shown at 12:37 using the old spelling ‘shewing’ for ‘showing’. That must be one of the most modern uses of that spelling, surely (or shewly)

[@loddude5706]

'I am serious, & don't call me Shewly . . .' : )

[@Bruce-h8w]

When I went to my new secondary school in 1951, the sign at the station gate said: ‘All tickets must be shewn’

[@spencerhardy8667]

A common alternative up until the early 1930s. HP Lovecraft was always shewing things

[@martinhampton6964]

@@spencerhardy8667 I didn't know; thank you

[@Jasper_4444]

Thanks for pointing that out!

[@andrewrobinson2565]

Loved that opening shot that included District and Piccadilly line rolling stock like no other person who fled Margaret Thatcher in 1986 could.(❤️)

[@DrWhoFanJ]

This was always my favourite station while we lived in London for one very simple reason: It was our local station. (That’s also why it was the one we used most, since pretty much any trip would use it twice!)

[@DrWhoFanJ]

And yes, it was always just a little irritating that my commutes to and from school/college were just before the start of rush hour in each direction, especially given the destination in each case was on the Piccadilly Line!

[@rjjcms1]

I have relatives for who it used to be their local station,so we used it to visit them every Christmas.

[@brianbell4937]

Lovely station, but far too many steps for me !!

[@tardismole]

"It's enough to Turnham Green with envy." Nailed it.

[@Pte1643]

I’ve always found it funny that the nearest station to Turnham Green is Chiswick Park, which ironically, is nowhere near the actual Chiswick Park.

[@nmarks]

Perhaps they should swap names.

[@willum223]

7:39 YERKES KLAXON

[@StevensPaul]

👀🎺😮

[@stephendavies6949]

Brace for impact

[@chrisrichmond403]

It’s that man again 👍🏻👍🏻

[@limevader]

🗣❗️‼️📢 Charles TYSON Yerkes

[@StevensPaul]

@@limevader ....* With Dramatic "Hero-Entrance" Theme Music🎶🎵....* 🤪😛

[@FiercePDW]

Since I live in Bedford Park it’s nice to know the history of my local station so thank you

[@johnm2012]

When I first moved to London 42 years ago I lived on Rusthall Avenue, W4 and used Turnham Green station because it had more trains unless I was heading towards Ealing, in which case I used the slightly closer Chiswick Park. My nearest non-Underground station was South Acton, which I used to go to a large photographic shop in Finchley Road and also to Broad Street for Liverpool Street station. My current nearest station is Northolt Park, which would make a worthy subject for a video.

[@neuralwarp]

We've got a Bedford's Park in north Romford.

[@fosterfuchs]

As soon as UERL was mentioned for the first time in this video, I anxiously awaited a picture of Charles Yerkes (or should I say THE picture) to be shown.

[@einseitig3391]

Fascinating. Thumbs up and subscribed too. How all of this came to be is brilliantly described. 20 trains an hour. How we have regressed. Thanks.

[@jerrytwolanes4659]

Auto Shenanigans and then Jago Hazzard A near perfect Sunday

[@archstanton6102]

You are clearly a man of high taste. That is my Sunday morning schedule as well.

[@barneypaws4883]

My perfect Sunday

[@BroonParker]

O Mr Yerkes. How we've missed you.

[@SanTM]

Great pun Jago. And yeah you're right about the line you want never turning up, ever, no matter where between the District and Piccadilly line. I use the District to get off at Ealing Common as I know every Piccadilly Line there will use the Uxbridge branch. Have been known to wait nearly 30 mins for one......

[@Ms.TaraGreen-fj7dx]

Here's a fun bit of trivia: Just outside Turnham Green station is the UK's first and oldest Buddhist temple and monastery.

[@stephendavies6949]

First time I've EVER heard the word "impocunius" used in a YT video. Hats off to you (again) Mr H, both for this and your voluminous research.

[@smorris12]

I always worry that one day Jago will do a video on Mornington Crescent and the channel will end...

[@Titan604]

I am sorry I haven't a clue what you mean.

[@rogerakhan74]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@thetoptrump1000]

Took me a moment 😂

[@nah95]

7:43 He's back!

[@Gerry0866]

I lived in London from 1986 to 1995 and for the last two years of my time there, Turnham Green was my local station. I lived on Flanders Road, around the corner from the station, just off Bath Avenue. As it happens, 29 years ago today, 15 September 1995, I bade goodbye to my home in Chiswick and to London and moved to France for a year. After that it was back to my native Ireland, where I have been ever since. I am very nostalgic for London (why else would I be so interested in Tube lore?), so today’s video couldn’t have been better timed. Next time I’m in London I must return to my old stomping ground and see how it’s changed in the intervening decades.

[@christopherhunter2892]

Just like you I moved to London in 1986 and lived in Gainsborough Road until 2009 and then moved to France where I still live. Turnham Green and Stamford Brook were my stations. I do miss Chiswick as j’y was a lovely area to live in.

[@robertwilloughby8050]

I always thought Turnham Green dated to the English Civil War, when the Parliamentarians made a stand (under William Waller, a bit of a hero of mine) against the Royalists, where they would "Turn them at the Green".

[@laudermarauder]

No.

[@WyvernYT]

I'm reasonably sure the Tube service was terrible during the Civil War.

[@briancisco1176]

I'm in awe of your research.

[@junfa8686]

As a West Londer these were and are my haunts. I was thinking "I wonder if Jago Hazard will cover this area one day" and he did! Love it!

[@gritintheoyster]

The usual amazing amount of research - probably more so on this one. Well done as always 😀😀.

[@NathanEllisBodi]

Another enjoyable video, thanks Jago. It's peculiar how your videos have an ambiance of a much more interesting and friendly London that differs from the grey concrete carbuncle that made me leave in the 80s, never to return.

[@quintrankid8045]

I am the laughter to your pun.

[@highbury1972]

I’m only happy watching your videos when Yerkes gets a mention. Mission Completed.

[@ChrisGBusby]

"Please mind the step between the footboards and the platform"

[@RaglansElectricBaboon]

Spot on. Going into town the Piccadilly trains whizzing by are frustrating Going back home the district trains never go where you want them to. So I bought a motorbike!

[@CyanideCarrot]

I used to live near this station and needed to go to Uxbridge quite frequently. Needless to say I was annoyed by the Piccadilly Line not stopping, especially since Uxbridge is the least served branch. It is, however, possible for them to stop here full time without the new trains or signal upgrades. They do exactly that whenever the District is closed to Ealing Broadway

[@LegendaryHopOnBaby]

12:29 There's something delightfully petty about keeping the L&SWR signage, but only highlighting the SR after it was taken over by Southern.

[@kidmohair8151]

I too am fond of "impecunious", something I find I need to practice being, more often than i wish I had to...

[@HTMLEXP]

Although, one could argue that the District railway was being parsimonious, to use another pleasing description of which Victorians would approve.

[@a11oge]

definitly need a timeline map for this one.

[@MrGreatplum]

I was waiting for the “it’s enough to Turnham Green” pun. I was not disappointed! Interestingly, Turnham Green is also mentioned in Mark Knopfler’s track, Junkie Doll. (An album track off his second solo album, Sailing to Philadelphia.)

[@JW1_1]

I always wondered why in between Northfields and Acton town there were four sets of tracks. Now I know why! And of course, Mr. Yerkes would’ve had to get his grubby mitts on it at some point. I’m glad that this side of the world is underground stations rather than south western Railway or Southern because that would be major inconvenience as I have a TfL Staff pass! 😅 I wonder if TfL will change their tune with piccadilly line serving Turnham Green next year when the new trains eventually come? 🤔Well done, Jago. Another ironed out crease of a tail from the tube!🫡

[@acooper8910]

"Turnham Green with envy" - a pun nearly as old as the station itself...

[@JB-ek4yx]

"We're thinking of filling these suburbs with either plants or concrete, which do you think we should do?" "Turn'em green!"

[@mickeydodds1]

'It took less than two years to be completed' !!! From a 21st century point of view, that is remarkable. 'Progress' .

[@tw25rw]

As my long gone grandfather would say, why do yellow peas go to Hammersmith? Because that's the way to Turnham Green..

[@JT29501]

I've worked around Russell Square, and live in commuting distance of Richmond. When going home late at night, I've often gone past a stopping district service between Hammersmith and Turnham Green, which I wouldn't have been able to catch otherwise. Can save up to 15 minutes, which is lovely after a long day! I really hope one day they will stop there all day, as planned.

[@kruador]

The Piccadilly Line Working Timetable has this to say about Piccadilly trains stopping at Turnham Green: "From start of traffic until approximately 06.50 (Mondays to Fridays), and from approximately 22.30 until close of traffic (Monday to Thursdays and Sundays), all trains will stop at Turnham Green, where indicated by PT note. "Trains will stop at Turnham Green throughout the night on Friday nights from approximately 22.30 until 06.50 Saturday morning and on Saturday nights from approximately 22.30 until 07.45 Sunday morning." The Piccadilly Line is part of Night Tube, so runs throughout the night on Fridays and Saturdays, but the District Line shuts down on those nights.

[@johnnyrvf]

50 years ago I lived in Chiswick. The number of times I used Turnham Green station over the next 10 years!

[@Blade_Daddy]

Another detailed explanation. Thanks

[@WildWildWeasel]

I've become familiar with so many Piccadilly stations because of Dale Charman lol I'm not even from the UK

[@Boffin55]

Wow, it took until 7:39 until Charles Yerkes was mentioned. I was getting thirsty

[@kevinjones4559]

Ended up at Northfields on a Ealing Broadway train a couple of years back.

[@grahamstubbs4962]

One cannot but remember Peter Sellers' line: 'Peckham and Turnham Green'.

[@birdbrain4445]

The District Railway's penchant for building or leasing out cheap branch lines in the west really does explain the line's current and especially former extent. If you consider all the stations it ever served irrespective of time period - it ran west to Wimbledon, Richmond, Hounslow West, Windsor(!!) and Uxbridge... there was also that South Acton spur from Acton Town. Consider also its Edgware Road branch, the Kensington (Olympia) branch, and how once upon a time it ran not just to Upminster, but even an excursion service to Shoeburyness. People think the line is complicated now but my my, the things the railway attempted in the past lol. The situation at Turnham Green is I guess one legacy of the company's ambitions - fascinating. Actually, considering the anachronistic extent of the line was Shoeburyness (Essex) to Windsor (Berkshire), and it was an east-west line that went right through central London... perhaps it was the earliest 'Crossrail', lol. Great video!

[@MichaelCampin]

Turnham Green, sounds like a slogan for a rollercoaster

[@robertward7449]

Great video as ever. Erudite and entertaining, always worth watching. (And that man gets a look in again...)

[@WardyLion]

“…still, good for the Covent Garden, innit?” “What, all that Bayswater?” “Aye! Turnham Green, that will!”

[@Lego6980]

13:47 OMG! You’re killing me!

[@JamesPetts]

Give my regards to Ealing Broadway, remember me to Turnham Green... 🎶

[@huwprice881]

The concept of 'weak and effeminate' re. boarding and alighting trains is alive and well at Bristol Temple Meads; a station where the on train announcements implore passengers to help one another off the train, due to the huge gap and drop between train and platform.

[@ricktownend9144]

Thanks for another informative and entertaining video. As you hint, waiting at Turnham Green trying to change from a Richmond train to a Ealing train is a dismal experience. Google Maps suggest that the 65 bus (sort of direct, but still taking nearly twice as long as driving) is quicker than using the District! If TfL are serious about improving orbital journeys, may I suggest that a junction station west of Acton Town, where the Underground crosses over the Overground, would be a positive move, particularly if it had platforms for the Piccadilly as well as the District. As and when the West London Orbital starts running, it also could have platforms.

[@SampleTracks2224]

"Outside the scope of this [video]..." A concept entirely alien to the great majority of British management.

[@rjds1800]

Nicely timed intro👍🏻👌🏻

[@BritishBeachcomber]

I've got s soft spot for Turnham Green. I was born near there and my mother's family originated there. *Family name... Turnham*

[@Tonydjjokerit]

Some news for you Jago. They have started the upgrade of the Piccadilly line with new trains on their way.

[@boohaka]

Finally! I know what Turnham Green was all about!! ❤

[@ianpatterson6552]

There was another fracas at Turnham Green in 1642 when Charles I wasn’t able to advance on London. From such events, history unfurls. And Yerkes was involved in latter times. Huzzah!

[@paulbennett772]

As mentioned in "Welcome to the Citadel" by Marc Brierley (very obscure musical reference)

[@liamtahaney713]

I really enjoyed how detailed this video was. Fantastic work

[@PokhrajRoy.]

When I see a video from Jago, I can’t just Turnham away. (So proud of that one)

[@roboftherock]

And so you should!

[@rainyfeathers9148]

Me and my perilous journeys on the tfl train systems. I don't know what I'd do back then, I might've resorted to buying a car or something😩...

[@TheBritFromOz008]

When I was last in London in late 2019, I had an early-morning departure from King’s Cross to Edinburgh to catch. As I was staying near Stamford Brook at the time (the house actually backed onto the District & Picc), you’d expect me to catch a District to Hammersmith and change there. But no. Being the nerd that I am, I thought it would be fun to catch the District one stop in the wrong direction and board the Piccadilly at Turnham Green, just to say that I have done so. Ah, the things that make me happy… Also, Edinburgh was lovely but that’s beside the point.

[@sarahlizzieful]

7:43 Phew! You had me worried for a moment there that we wouldn't get a Charles Yerkes mention.

[@michaelmiller641]

It would be interesting to see a photograph of that time when underground district railway electric trains were running alongside LSWR steam trains.

[@loddude5706]

Battle of Britain Day AND a Yerkes! (Ginger Lacey trained in Perths, so a large 'Tullibardine' it is! : )

[@Wildcard71]

If you wait at Earl's Court for a train to Turnham Green, you'll probably see trains to Wimbledon and Kensington Olympia coming. Same issue as mentioned.

[@Majenta_Turkeysandvichs]

The puns in this video were off the rails.

[@tingewickmax]

Very nice video. However (please don't hate me).....Turnham Green stn entrance is on Turnham Green Terrace. My first job there, worked in Jones Bro's model shop/wood yard/DIY. The green it is by is Acton Green. Bedford Pk, yes full of arty types. My school mate Peter's dad who designed a famous chair lived there. Why not mention the remnants of the LSWR that can be seen on the dive down to Hammersmith Stn ? That bit always fascinated me as a child when going to school.

[@harstan7333]

Ah! Jones Bros was a regular haunt for me in the early 60s as I bought a lot of model railway items there. Old Mr Jones (Archie?) was quite a character, as were most of the shop assistants. A great shame that the business closed in the late 80s.

[@damedavidfrith55]

Thanks ❤

[@andreweasson6653]

This was my station in1995 when i stayed in chiswick brings back some great memories

[@unduloid]

I used it while living in Chiswick in 1999. Terrible times, indeed.

[@Michael_Brock]

Yerkes as expected pops up in jago video.

[@malcolmgibson6288]

Very clever building station that can be moved between lines. It must have saved a lot of money.🤭

[@simonro9168]

Frustratingly, Germany too has an issue with platform heights, at stations where regional trains and suburban S-Bahn trains stop at the same platform. You either have a step down from the S-Bahn, or a tripping hazard step up from a regional train.

[@philipparker1319]

Yes - “impecunious” is a delicicious word isn’t it?! You will have to ensure you contrast it some time with “boracic” when in an area where rhyming slang is used!

[@nanduthalange7736]

Really excellent video - thank you! My favourite weird route from times gone by is Ludgate Hill (where City Thameslink now is) to Wimbledon via Elephant & Castle, Loughborough Junction, Brixton & Clapham Junction. The was the last service to run to Ludgate Hill until closure in 1929.

[@zitzong]

It is enough to turn all them passengers GREEN with envy- Welcome to Turnham Green ladies and gentlemen.

[@jillmorris-t6c]

so interesting thank you

[@neuralwarp]

I can never hear "Turnham Green" without thinking "and Matching Tye".

[@trevorelliston1]

Personally I would like to see the Grove Road connection put back and H&C trains projected west, through Turnham Green, if possible with the Piccadilly from Hounslow to Heathrow expanded or supplemented to take S stock. That opens up a number of routing possibilities

[@ConsoleHandheldGamer]

If you wrote a book about this kind of thing, I'd buy and read it.

[@PtolemyJones]

Can't help but think misunderstanding kids might call it Turnip Greens. LOL

[@davidfalconer8913]

Unusual tip # 23 .... the white Polythene balls on the top of stripy poles ( at 1:53 ) make excellent sideboard lamps ... with a B&Q colour changing bulb in side😝 ... ( tried - n - tested ) ............. DAVE™🛑

[@davidpeters6536]

I always thought Turnham Green was a Roller Coaster destination.

[@mattbicazette502]

Uncle Yerkes is back

[@harrymiller4773]

Suppose you were to go back in time.. When do you think would be the most influential point to intervene would be? At the formation of the rail lines? Nationalisation? Or when they coalesced to TFL?

[@SamuelFurse]

NIce reference to Kew Bridge, Brentford and Isleworth on an Underground (ish) map at 12:40. That's run as a line from WAT to Weybridge. How close did that come to being part of UERL?

[@norbitonflyer5625]

Never - that is an LSWR map. There was a propsal by Boris Johnson, when Mayor of London, to make the SWR inner suburban services part of the Overground but sadly it was squashed by the then transport secretary (and MP for Epsom) who didn't want his local commuter services under the control of a possible future Labour Mayor.

[@seanbonella]

Jago is not for turning.... great video as ever

[@richardnotley8950]

Wow! Complicated? It certainly was. I suspect that if you set an exam here on this subject, nobody would be able to answer correctly which company ran which lines or owned which station at any period! And I'm surprised that all viewers resident near Turnham Green Tube Station haven't registered copyright on The Pun!