Jakarta's new LRT system is an epic disaster

[@johanstravel]

This is my take, backed up with facts of course. Feel free to leave your comments and remarks here!

[@luarbiasawaras8700]

Its not perfect but we have to start from somewhere. Ten years ago We could not imagine we could use indonesian made LRT. We should do this 30 years ago.

[@johanstravel]

@@luarbiasawaras8700 the start was LRT Palembang many years ago. While that wasn't perfect, it went way better than what's happening now with LRT Jabodebek

[@luarbiasawaras8700]

@@johanstravel yes , palembang was the first, it was built for the asian games in 2018. But this LRT is diferent, it was built with indonesia's fauvorite small track standart, we need bigger train for jakarta, so it can match with south korean made LRT that already built in jakarta also for Asian Games 2018. So the engineer has to go back to the drawing board ro develop something bigger, something that could be on par with south korean train set. So we still doing something new today. Even the palembang LRT was still feels like a miracle to me, 10 years ajo I could not imagine we built something like this by our own.

[@luarbiasawaras8700]

You know what, in the 80s , Indonesia government built 2 miles long elevated LRT system in an amusement park and said that this system will be built all accross Indonesia, it was using very unique pneumatic power system, it goes by the wind, but that plan never cine true. We had start building a real LRT from 2015 for the 2018 asian games.

[@johanstravel]

I think it would have been smarter and faster to work together with Korea or Japan for the construction of this LRT. There is always so much to learn, always more than you think from the start. But I'm also sure the problems will be fixed eventually. it's just that Jakarta needs this so bad that the spotlight is on them completely.

[@rocketkit6200]

I'm honestly shocked that the project was built at all. Clearly it needed more time in the oven, but can't deny the leaps made by the state-owned contractors with the time and budget(expectations were already low because they still lacked experience and resources). Political will for mass transportation is strong and thats important if we don't want to live in car dependent hellscapes

[@DangItshere]

Possibly best (and probably only) video I've found that summed up the whole situation in a short and informative manner, hope they can resolve the problems but they previously have shattered my low expectations so i wouldn't hope so much lol

[@luarbiasawaras8700]

Give them some time, its not even one month since the initial operation date.

[@briantarigan7685]

Lmao, look at you clowning yourself here, the LRT is already good now

[@taurinop0574]

No statement from LRT Jabodebek management what so ever is the reason of my anger. And just as you said, no clear time when the maintenance will be done. It is like the workshop runs “serabutan”, unplanned…

[@johanstravel]

Lack of communication is among the worst for customers. They have been publishing a daily departure schedule for the last few days at least. Better than nothing at all. Just slightly.

[@luarbiasawaras8700]

Having bad LRT is better than having no LRT at all.

[@carkawalakhatulistiwa]

​@@johanstravelHey, don't insult the Indonesian railway manufacturing company (INKA), this is the first train made by Indonesia, unlike the Japanese-made MRT Jakarta or the Korean-made Jakarta LRT and Palembang LRT.

[@daviano_R.T.]

Thank you for making a voice for it, as Indonesian myself I'm already tired of our government always ignore the obvious problem and pretend it didn't exist

[@luarbiasawaras8700]

We do have plenty of problems but one thing for sure, we must keep moving forward.

[@daviano_R.T.]

@@luarbiasawaras8700 true, that's why we have to voice and make a big deal of the problems so the government and the operator will do something about it.

[@luarbiasawaras8700]

@@daviano_R.T. agreed

[@mattardyantoriyadi]

Well this is actually our first time ever making this kind of transport system. I say we should learn from our mistakes. And yes, I've been on that train once and i too experienced many negative thing during my ride. As for a 185cm person i felt that there's not much room in the cabin as i had to bow every time i walk inside of it. The seat itself is quite hard and uncomfortable (at least compared to the soft cushion of the commuter rail or the hard plastics yet comfortable mrt). There's also another thing, the train itself run pretty harsh. What i mean by that is the train will accelerate at a uncomfortable rate and decelerate also at an uncomfortable rate making it an uncomfortable ride experience. The stations are scorching hot because of the tin roof which absorbs heat unlike mrt which uses different kind of roof. The integration is also something to talk about. Passengers need to walk long distances for transit to another mode of transport. Take for example dukuh atas transit, you'll need to walk for approximately 5-10 minutes to hop on to mrt or 15-20 minutes if you want to hop on the brt which isn't ideal at all. And there's time issues. Currently the lrt only operates untill 6 pm. Which isn't ideal considering the peak rush hour will be somewhere around 5-7pm. I hope the government heard about this issues and improve it immediately. Because as faulty as it is, it is still a pride of the nation as we transitioned ourselves from an agrarian society to a manufacturing might.

[@daddycool1940]

MRT LRT KCIC build & operasional within 10 year just a miracle, these transport system is long overdue, should be built 30 years ago. Regarding LRT jabodebek you right, too many problems arise during operasional when it should have been found during trial run. It seems KAI didn't do trial run as often enough as it should be. As locally made train system which is a new system for everyone involved (adhi karya, inka, kai), they have to work harder to solve the problem. But by trial & error, hopefully they will improve in the future. This is a hard lesson to learn. 😁🙏

[@RahmanDwi]

I had some rides with LRT Jabodebek but I complained about the longer headway during first weeks of opening (between 30-45 minutes) so I revert back using Transjakarta that ironically takes much less time to ride for the same route. Compared to MRT Jakarta during first weeks of opening, MRT Jakarta had fewer complaints from passengers

[@farhanmarco7827]

They're currently expanding the route to Manggarai which is gonna exponentially improve the ridership which also means the improvement is imminent. No hope is lost.

[@johanstravel]

The one being extended is LRT Jakarta. This is LRT Jabodebek. But things are much better now than it was a year ago. I need to make a follow up video on that.

[@ota]

Bedankt voor de video, Johan. Wel jammer dat het zo fout gaat...ik ben met vakantie in Indonesië (Java) in december. Groeten vanuit België.

[@luarbiasawaras8700]

Wellcome

[@johanstravel]

Graag gedaan! Hopelijk werkt het binnenkort beter, want veel slechter kan het nu niet meer gaan. Alvast een goede vakantie toegewenst volgende maand!

[@carkawalakhatulistiwa]

​@@johanstravel1Hey, don't insult the Indonesian railway manufacturing company (INKA), this is the first train made by Indonesia, unlike the Japanese-made MRT Jakarta or the Korean-made Jakarta LRT and Palembang LRT.

[@rizkyadiyanto7922]

oalah kalian orang belanda tah.. pantesan suka jelek2in indonesia... wkwkwk

[@wirawanhendra]

easy way just import the LRT from the korea same like LRT jakarta, all is smooth operation no issue. but when start use a local product then this is a learning period, step by step until all is finish. in fact during August 2023 (first month operation), LRT jabodebek already carry passenger 1,6 million in one month. with this massive volume then I believe they will improve their local product

[@infotvchannel-uj7zf]

You have to compare the Jabobek LRT fares with the fares in ASEAN and Europe Singapore the fares are $1.77 (adults), $0.65 (children/students), $0.94 (senior citizens and disabled persons) Malaysia : Around RM 1.70. ( Rp 5.525) Germany around 1,70 Euro (Rp 25.500) Indonesia Cuma 33 Cent atau 0,33 Euro.

[@rtdcproject8075]

Belajar dari Kuala Lumpur atau Singapore aja

[@rbh513]

Tidak mungkin.

[@rtdcproject8075]

@@rbh513 segalanya mungkin, 30 pegawai MRT Jakarta ke KL belajar sari MRTCorp Malaysia kelmarin,..

[@TreiHutchinson]

​@@rbh513kebodohan dan kesombongan yg terserlah ..

[@vincentkohlumcfan22]

Honestly the curve radii observed on Google Maps indeed look scarily tight

[@johanstravel]

It's a tight one, but when designed properly it would not be a problem really. They didn't build banked tracks unfortunately, so now the trains can only go at 'sightseeing speeds' there.

[@carkawalakhatulistiwa]

​​​@@johanstravelHey, don't insult the Indonesian railway manufacturing company (INKA), this is the first train made by Indonesia, unlike the Japanese-made MRT Jakarta or the Korean-made Jakarta LRT and Palembang LRT.

[@undynesarmor7169]

@@carkawalakhatulistiwa that kind of mindset hinders progress. State-owned companies do not need to be coddled and should be criticized so they can actually improve and benefit the citizens effectively

[@infotvchannel-uj7zf]

LRT JABO JABODABEK price Rp 5000 for the 1st time and Rp 700 for each Km. we are compare LRT price start from stasiun Duku Atas to St Ciracas (11 Stations) = Rp 12.000. MRT JAKARTA from St Fatmawati to St Bundaran HI (11 Stations) Rp 13.000. (data Jaklinko MRT JAKARTA). That means Lrt Jabodabek Cheaper than MRT Jakarta.

[@johanstravel]

Dukuh Atas to Ciracas or the other way around is 15.600 at regular fare, which is displayed on the LRT Jabodebek Twitter account. Currently the off peak max fare is 10k for any trip though. Of course LRT Jabodebek is cheaper than MRT, which is partly underground and is of higher quality. Still, LRT Jabodebek is relatively expensive. I can make a guess why that is of course, with government owned companies (or their daughter companies) involved that have ready seen problems with corruption for example.

[@infotvchannel-uj7zf]

@@johanstravel At some LRT stations, land acquisition costs are required and this is a large cost. According to the needs, building a new rail line in a congested area and requiring large costs is not a problem. HOW DO YOU KNOW THE UNDERGROUND STATION IS BETTER THAN LRT Jabodabek. WE CAN NOT COMPARE the costs between the two because they have different specifications. Both are built based on existing conditions in the field. Don't say anything according to your guess. Mention the name of the company's daughter who stated that there was corruption in the construction of the Jabodabek LRT, we can report it to the government. if you tell me that means you help us.

[@infotvchannel-uj7zf]

@@johanstravel You are just making propaganda to make the Jabodabek LRT worse. You should know that this is the first time Indonesia has made its own LRT train and the first in ASEAN or in the southern hemisphere to be able to make its own LRT.

[@rusticcloud3325]

​​@@infotvchannel-uj7zf As an Indonesian I think LRT Jabodebek did a really bad start. Even LRT Palembang is much better. About that "first time", yeah, this is the first time INKA made LRT trains, but they have made better KRLs before so what's your point? Why the downgrade in quality?

[@infotvchannel-uj7zf]

@@rusticcloud3325 You cannot compare LRT Jabodabek and LRT Palembang. The system Lrt Jabodabek are more modern than LRT Palembang. LRT Jabodabek using driverless system ant that system thr 1st time in indonesia. another way line track rail way system in Jakarta using the long span bridge with a litle sircle. The station LRT Jabodabek using automatic door.

[@mentau1905]

Really inconsistent, but thankfully ive used the system 4 times and havent seen any major problems with headway, doors, trains. Might be the brakes that throws you forward 😂😂.. used it last week, they managed to fix the brakes atleast, it was smoother that before

[@johanstravel]

Yeah, the braking problems seem to have been solved now. That's at least one thing solved!

[@carkawalakhatulistiwa]

​@@johanstravelHey, don't insult the Indonesian railway manufacturing company (INKA), this is the first train made by Indonesia, unlike the Japanese-made MRT Jakarta or the Korean-made Jakarta LRT and Palembang LRT.

[@Kurimuzonsky]

@@carkawalakhatulistiwa Boo hoo hoo can't handle some truth are you?

[@mentau1905]

They better hurry up… i wouldnt use lrt jabodebek for any commute if untill next year the problems stay unresolved

[@lukmanumel]

I think this problem needs to be fixed as soon as possible. but importing trains from foreign railway companies is only an instant solution, not a long-term solution. Let the problems that have occurred become lessons for the local industry so that their products will be better in the future. I think Indonesians must have confidence in their own work, while foreigners can only tell stories from a point of view that is beneficial for themselves.

[@johanstravel]

I think most problems for LRT Jabodebek are fixed now, but that 100% local content curved bridge with the wrong dimensions won't be fixed of course, so that will have to be something like the skytrain that crosses Jewel at Changi. Nice views there though over the toll road. Importing trains helps relieve the greatest need as long domestic production isn't up to standard and/or speed. This is mainly visible with KRL trains now. Imports have stopped; local production (KRL Yogya-Solo for example) is not up to JR import specs and now we already see that JR trains need to be broken up (2 12-car become 2 8 car) to keep schedules, but with shorter and thus more crowded trains. Importing trains NOW does help a million passengers daily. Quite important if you ask me, but the passengers are abused by politics unfortunately. "while foreigners can only tell stories from a point of view that is beneficial for themselves." Nothing in this video is beneficial for myself as a foreigner. I don't sell trains or signaling systems. It is beneficial for me as someone living in Jabodebek and as someone using public transport frequently.

[@infotvchannel-uj7zf]

The height of the lrt Jabodabek door 180 cm, that is not really big problem, because the average height of indonesian about 160 - 170 cm. This is same in German or other European people some times they are have height 195 - 200 cm, but the height of the door train only 190 cm, but They still entered the train with their heads down without complaining. I know because I am stay in Germany.

[@johanstravel]

These doors are the lowest on any public transport in Indonesia. And I'm not the only one complaining of course. I'm not very tall or anything so tall Indonesians complained first. I confirmed the doors are pretty low. I know because I'm staying in Indonesia. 😉

[@infotvchannel-uj7zf]

@@johanstravel If you listen to Indonesian people who complain, it doesn't make sense, whereas the complainers themselves can still enter the LRT without having to bow their heads and you might also be included. so there's no need to worry about it. Maybe most of the people who complain are people who don't like Pak Jokowi's success and that's in the realm of politics (I don't like it). In conclusion, as long as you generally (above 80%) still enter well without lowering your head, it means there is no problem.

[@rusticcloud3325]

​​@@infotvchannel-uj7zf Ideally 90% of people can enter a door without ducking. That's how ergonomics work. Don't get me wrong, I like Pak Jokowi but cmon, his reign is not without flaws and this is one example of the flaw. Meanwhile LRT Jakarta , LRT Palembang, and MRT Jakarta are better, LRT Jabodebek should already learnt from them

[@afl6786]

Gk paham latar belakang projek ini, kenapa gk lrt biasa,disamakan dgn lrt Palembang,jakarta(dan kota lain di Indonesia )udh telat di urusan transportasi umum Bangun dulu ,walau bukan made in indo, kl udh baru mulai bikin made in Indonesia di tahap 2

[@johanstravel]

They missed a chance by indeed just looking at what they had. Instead someone decided it should all be developed from scratch. You only do that if you don't care about the result, but only about the process.. which involves money.

[@afl6786]

@@johanstravel im sure people who decided this project never actually use public transport as their daily way to work So they don't know what their people need

[@zulfika_]

@@afl6786 Surely, Jonan who decided this project and approved the route proposal, probably never use public transport.

[@alveethree]

They are fixed already, end discussion.

[@johanstravel]

Yeah, I've made a follow-up video about that a short while ago. kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6vEqqSag9mAgNk

[@ysc1692]

it 's nice when it works. at this rate, they should consider buying imported automated trains instead & ditch these problematic inka trains.

[@johanstravel]

I'm really curious what's going on with the trainsets that need their wheels fixed. They were pulled from service over a week ago now, but no word that a single one has been put back to service yet. Silence only. I slowly suspect the problems are even worse than announced earlier.

[@aryoseno11]

​@johanstravel hmm if thats the case then the whole lrt operation would've been stopped for safety reasons

[@johanstravel]

@@aryoseno11 not all trainsets were used right from the start as far as I know, so maybe those in use now are just as bad as the ones already being repaired but as they aren't used as much yet, they are still within operational safety limits. So they will be serviced after the current ones in maintenance are put back in use. Speculation though, as there isn't really any info on what's going on now.

[@aryoseno11]

​@johanstravel they should have used more than 1 version of trainset such as from rotem, Siemens etc instead of being too confident using INKA's trainset which lacks experience making GoA 3 LRTs...

[@carkawalakhatulistiwa]

​@@johanstravelHey, don't insult the Indonesian railway manufacturing company (INKA), this is the first train made by Indonesia, unlike the Japanese-made MRT Jakarta or the Korean-made Jakarta LRT and Palembang LRT.

[@regarfebriajaya3413]

Hahaha.. 😂😂😂

[@alpianakbar4598]

I don't know why many of you are laughing at Indonesia. On our part, this is the first train that directly uses the GOA3 system and is made domestically. It is true that there were a lot of problems when this system first started operating, but now the problems have been resolved one by one, even though it takes time. one more thing, we will also still produce electric trains domestically so everything will be a valuable lesson, it's okay to underestimate us, one day we will go through this process and will no longer depend on imported goods like your country still does. we are one step ahead because we dare to try and produce on a large scale.

[@johanstravel]

Your question has been answered in the comments already but in short; LRT Jabodebek should have worked together with a company able to transfer technology like MRT Jakarta did/does. That would most likely have avoided a whole lot of problems. Also, they had trial runs that were delayed because of technical problems. Were these problems solved during the trials? No, hell.. even around the time you posted yesterday the system was broken down entirely for a while with people not receiving any information on what's going on. I'm not going to talk about INKA here, but you probably know for yourself what quality they dare to sell to domestic clients (LRT Jabodebek incorrect specifications is only the latest in a long list of f*ck ups). It's just a big insult to Indonesian tax payers and users of those trains. Also the GOA3 system isn't 'made domestically'. Otherwise people from Siemens didn't have to be called in from abroad all of a sudden when SHTF during testing and first weeks of operations.

[@cairjlnascairjlnas7051]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@azmiibarahim8450]

The indonesian should stop doing things without proper planing and strategy than just matters of showing off !!! Learn more from MSIA or spore in public trains transportation

[@infotvchannel-uj7zf]

You are just making propaganda to make the Jabodabek LRT worse. You should know that this is the first time Indonesia has made its own LRT train and the first in ASEAN or in the southern hemisphere to be able to make its own LRT.

[@johanstravel]

Because you don't like my opinion it must be propaganda. I've discussed the points to you come up on just now already, so feel free to look for the answers here somewhere. I'm not going to do more effort if someone comes up with the 'rinse, repeat' word propaganda. I guess you make propaganda for Germany when you say 'there are no complaints'? German trains are pretty crappy these days, with so many delays almost daily.... I'm sure you know that? Doesn't mean you can't talk about it.

[@infotvchannel-uj7zf]

@@johanstravel Because you just give negative feedback and only report the bad things, without reporting the positive things that the LRT jabodabek has. Another thing you compare LRT and MRT which is clear that they are very different and the conditions of the stations are very different too, one is grounded and the other is elevated. Your information that any corruption on the LRT Jabodebek without fact and just your assumptions.

[@infotvchannel-uj7zf]

@@johanstravel I know the railway system in Germany, but I don't want to report negative things, because I know that all these situations happen for some reasons. I don't like being able to only criticize without knowing the conditions that occur and providing solutions.

[@infotvchannel-uj7zf]

@@johanstravel In the reality you are just propaganda because your reports is only about negative things, without positive and any solutions

[@johanstravel]

@@infotvchannel-uj7zfwell, my video goes into the details of a few problems, so I come with proof why things done (didn't) work like they should. That doesn't make it propaganda really, right? You're just picking the doors as that's probably the smallest issue; but you conveniently don't mention any other point I talk about; you know, the serious ones. Also, you not criticizing anything doesn't mean I can't criticize anything and also doesn't make it propaganda. And oh. 'my country' is Indonesia.

[@orenmax512]

🤣 PT INKA Mendonia

[@rbh513]

Mendonia dalam gak ketemu stesiun

[@infotvchannel-uj7zf]

You can only make insult propaganda about the Jabodebek lrt. What you need to know is that the Jabodabek LRT is without a driver, which perhaps doesn't exist in your country. As far as I know, Germany doesn't use full automatic either. Apart from that, this is Indonesia's own production and the first in ASEAN, even in the southern hemisphere.

[@shevaroesdy]

Made in Indonesia 😂

[@lensopurnomo8981]

Banyak belajar dari tidak ada koordinasi .. ada indikasi korupsi sehingga harga tarif jadi naik lalu sangat sangat lambat sampai tujuan lama sampai masslah rodanya masalah ... masa kalah sama MRT atau LRT Jarkata.. kahirnya itulah LRT JABODE BEK made in Indoinesia

[@samsudinali112]

​@@lensopurnomo8981.... indonesia super bangga !!!super keren !!! super mewah !!! super duper mendonia !!!

[@larahati7566]

​@@samsudinali112.. overproud effect...🤭

[@samsudinali112]

@@larahati7566 ... 🤕😷😉😎😆🤣🤣🤣

[@TheLUSMAYS]

Whatever your government builds will surely end in failure, including the IKN project will surely fail

[@johanstravel]

I'm sure it will be a copy of Jakarta eventually, because those moving to the new place first are the government workers, which are also known for being ignorant, arrogant, breaking the rules and looking down on others because they're a representation of Indonesia.

[@roykim5172]

and they said their metro system on par with singapore and KL. just after the LRT launch, they all start to degrade KL metro system, which already running decades longer. joker

[@johanstravel]

Misplaced pride. Indonesia is lagging behind in development of urban rail and will be running behind for the foreseeable future.

[@briantarigan7685]

Because the Indonesian system are being build so extensively so quick lmao, Jakarta literally got the most complete public transportation in southeast asia right now, BRT, Commuter line, MRT, LRT, Airport train, and the first and only high speed railway in southeast asia, the pride is very much on point lmao, the best part is, it's still very much being expanded. Also, this video is outdated, the LRT is good now

[@virtual30]

Jakarta CORRUPTION??????

[@rbh513]

Corruption do not cause LRT failed to locate stations.