Jakob and Felicia are...Good! feat.

[@7of475]

A random thing I've remembered from hearing the occasional mentions of Wyvern Corrin here is that the first time I played Fates, I saw "Dragon" as a class option and picked it because I HAD to know what that meant. Then I got to the fully animated cutscene where Corrin turned into a dragon and genuinely thought it was because I picked "Dragon" as a class. From that moment forward, I thought your character decisions mattered SO much. Thanks for reading this random anecdote from a complete stranger. Have a nice day!

[@Direblade11]

And then you looked at KZbin, and your childhood was ruined

[@7of475]

@@Direblade11 I actually picked a different class when I played birthright and my childhood was ruined >.

[@yvendous]

Audio level is much better, thank you so much 🙏 helps to have the levels up so I can have it play this on my phone while cooking and noisy stuff like that

[@brawlfan9999]

Heh, funny anecdote, thanks for sharing

[@badatlife]

Such a shame Zoran still can't appreciate the greatness of Great Knight Arthur

[@Direblade11]

Right now I want to hear your piece. Finally hit the benchmarks to beat the game by using berserker Arther then Berserker Percy as Corrin pair-up bots

[@naiRISE766]

Thank you for your **DARK** video. Edit:Oh wait no Odin. the Darkness will have to wait for later.

[@floris1111]

Always love the guests you bring on, you really bounce well off of other people

[@Starwars-Fanboy]

I absolutely love how in long and in depth this is. Hoping we get 17 parts with 60 hours worth of discussion.

[@brunaolinto560]

One thing I like about the multiclass Arthur shenenigans is that building supports between him and Niles for Movement +1 and/or Lucky Seven is not really hard in CQ. There’s two factors for this, IMO. First, there’s some interesting opportunities for them to have good accuracy against blue-weapon enemies (Spear Fighters in chapter 9/10, Ninjas in chapter 10/11/12, Sky Knights in chapter 10/11/14). Second, they have a weird but effective synergy going on. Niles has a lot of Resistance and good Speed, so he takes on the mage combat in chapter 8 and later, while Arthur’s high HP base/growth lets him take the physical enemies (like the chapter 8 Fighters) better. They give each other helpful offensive pair ups - Arthur lets Niles push over ORKO/capture thresholds and Niles lets Arthur start doubling earlier than expected* and Movement on Pair Up is amazing at every point in the game. On Attack Stance there’s even the bonus of Arthur giving Niles a lot of hit as their support chain progresses (+10 pre-C/+15 at C/+20 at A). Shame that Niles only gives Crit and Avoid, Arthur would really like a few Hit and/or Dodge bonuses. These factors let them build their friendship faster than most. Chapter 8 has the Mages and the Fighters, chapter 9 has the Spear Fighters, Paralogue 1 is free, Chapter 10 has Sky Knights/Ninjas, Chapter 11 is the same, Chapter 12 has Spear Fighters/Ninjas and Chapter 14 has Sky Knights. That’s a total of 7 maps when you need 5 to get them to A+, so you do have some wiggle room to make them work together. Since they both can avoid counter attacks via Bows/Hand Axe, you can even squeeze in some extra attacks against other units, but do beware the latter’s bad hitrate. Not even 70% Skill growth fixes it. The result of this build, for Arthur at least, is Movement +1 and/or Lucky Seven. Movement is always amazing in Fates, especially when you can stack it with Pair Up, and Lucky Seven gives Arthur 7 turns of increased hit. This is critical on rout maps (or maps where you need to kill a lot of enemies to Seize/kill the boss), because the first few turns is where the most action is seen in order to get everyone to safety. One thing that needs to be said: Lucky Seven is harder to reach if you’re reclassing Arthur pre-promotion. If you do want to get that skill for a long term Arthur prospect, promote him at around level 15-17 to Berserker, train until he’s close to level 3 promoted and then reclass him at a map with a lot of fliers and/or Ninjas. Ninja Cave might work with the Bow Wall tech, but I think a paralogue is best. After Lucky Seven, he can grab a Heart Seal to get back to Berserker** or a Partner Seal to get his wife’s class. A Great Knight Arthur might be interesting, but the 19-21 segment is NOT kind to a non-magical/non-Bow horse unit, and after that he’d be underleveled and would probably need a paralogue to catch up. Ultimately, up to you. One last thing: there’s an amazing CQ run on KZbin going on right now, where the person playing it is doing CQ Lunatic without Pair Up and is using Arthur as a main combat unit. Beruka marriage, Niles friendship, Energy Drops, the whole thing. It’s one of the most fascinating runs I’ve ever seen. I don’t remember the KZbinr’s name on top of my head, but they were in the Revelation Lunatic Relay, so it might be the starting point needed. *He has 50% Speed growth on Fighter (same as Silas on Cavalier, for example), so it is less likely for him to double than some other units. Still, it can be reached. **Berserker is kind of a tough class to evaluate for one. On one hand, the Hand Axe SUCKS for 1-2 range and the Bolt Axe is better used on Malig Knights, so the 1-2 range war is lost for the get go. On the other hand, the stats are so skewed in favor of HP (a stat super low in Fates) and Strength (a very important stat for anyone looking to kill enemies) that I find that some maps might have a use for a Berserker with a lot of Strength walking around eating hits and dishing out damage. For Arthur in particular, the Axe hit bonuses and Skill growth give him quite the nice hitrates and Axefaire/Rally Strength is hard to beat. And the Pair Up bonuses are exquisite. This is just to say that I agree with Arthur’s placement at top of B tier, but I feel that his friendship with Niles is significant enough to warrant some discussion. I might leave some Effie thoughts in the replies if there’s interest for that. My hands need to rest after all that typing lol. Great video as always from you two ❤❤

[@A_Person_64]

Friendship ended with Odin, Arthur is now my new best friend 👀🤝🏿👀 Love hearing playthroughs like that

[@asmontosborne3111]

Pretty sure you’re talking about @VeXJL I agree, their run is really interesting and using Arthur as much as they do only makes it better

[@VeXJL]

I've actually given up on Niles friendship on that run lol. No fault of Arthur though, it was a bit too awkward getting them to really fight together. And even after, I'd have to go through Adventurer which is just not in Arthur's playstyle lol. As good as it is to have the skills, I don't really need them, so I won't do it. And I also want to clarify... I did give him Energy Drops but he was -4 on Strength so it's absolutely deserved I'd say lol.

[@papita69xxx]

Berserker is a nice class for sure. Huge hp and nice offense and the pair up bonuses are a dream come true for most physical units. That being said though i'd rather reclass the Wyverns or capture one. There is a decent one in the shura map that comes with certain blow and of course there are the named bosses. Wyverns have the added benefit of getting str+2 and trample for maximum damage stacking if you need help for the final bosses.

[@ZetoTarken]

Okay so we get early replicating aura-bot Kana and Dwyer... And we also get early Percy because both of them have friendships with Percy and Percy flies. So now we have FOUR flying aurabots. GENIUS.

[@Noahs_Chair]

Something I want to mention about the Auras compare to other bulk resources. Unlike every other resource, because it's an aura it be turn off, so if it would give you 0 aggaist a specific enemy you can turn it off for that turn and then keep going.

[@gangstersamurott2511]

can't believe they didn't mention Maid Effie, Mekkah should've really invited Bopper on instead of Zoran smh my head

[@maniacallyhappy]

Odin video incoming! Your guys content is gold, feels like a master class in-depth character analysis. Thank you guys!

[@ZetoTarken]

Oh one thing about Felicia. She's an insanely good backpack for a magic Corrin. Because of her personal, she effectively gives the same +3 magic that other mage based backpacks can give as well as +2 speed, +2res and another effective +2def and res. 1spd and 1res if she's only an A rank with Corrin. But there's a very unique niche for Felicia on top of that: She's also one of the only pair up partners for F!Corrin that gives 3 (effective) magic. The others are Gunter and Siegberts mothered by Nyx and certain Corrin. All the 1st generation characters that truly give +3 magic are girls and all of them give the 3rd point at S rank. Felicia doesn't actually give +3 magic. She gives 1 point of magic at A rank and uses her personal to effectively give +3. For the 2nd generation characters, Odin and Leo both give +magic at C support and none of the fathers give it at A. And of the mothers Elise is the ONLY ONE who gives +magic at both B and S rank. So Ophelia can give +3 magic but Elise can't be Forrest's mom, for obvious reasons. Corrin can't S rank Ophelia so there's no 2nd generation units that give a true +3 magic. This means the only characters that can give F!Corrin +3 magic are ones with pair up boosting personals. Gunter just gives +3 damage. Siegbert and Felicia give +2 damage. The Corrins that can mother a Siegbert that works are: +Mag-HP, +Lck-Str, +Res-Skl, and +Mag-Def. And out of all of these units, Felicia is the only one who's functional in a magic class and can be more than just a stat backpack. And Felicia also has a fairly easy time getting into a relevant class since she can befriend Flora and Maid and Strategist don't have the worst pair up bonuses.

[@carpediem6841]

There was a minor mistake during the Arthur section: Charlotte and Keaton not only both give 2 strength before marriage, they give it by B-Rank.

[@jonathanlgill]

You're right, but I think the overall point is that the full strength (and/or speed) boosts they provide is only available at S support, whereas Arthur gives that full boost even without marriage. Keaton and Charlotte have better pairup bonuses overall, but Arthur's early availability is more important than those marginal bonuses.

[@lyxcele]

These are some great videos! really enjoying watching these as I'm getting back into conquest

[@garrettjanssen7683]

@Bluegh did a good tierlist where they had a tier specifically for units that make for good backpacks. I think that Effie and Arthur make good contributions in the early game but get mitigated to backpack roles later. Fates is just hard to tier in general but I really appreciate the in-depth discussion and detail. I'd love for some summarizing tables or visuals to accompany the gameplay visuals. Like when you were discussing Jakob, maybe throw up a visual of the class/reclass lines that are recommended

[@mediocreatbest9176]

I personally think Wyvern Jakob does have more lategame prospects than discussed. A good way to exploit the big +10 damage stack that Jakob gets is with attack stance. Jakob may need a lot of support to reliably double, moreso than what you’d want from a lategame sweeper, but what he does have is very strong single-hit damage that still respectably holds up even in later chapters. When facing groups of enemies, it can be valuable to take advantage of these big dual strikes receiving an effective +5 damage boost from skills alone, before factoring in rallies/tonics/meals etc. Preventing enemy counterattacks through dual strikes can really help with survivability on enemy phase, without necessarily needing a full army of guard stance 1-2 range juggernauts (though these types of units are still amazing). This all comes in a neat flying package with sufficient enough bulk, very respectable accuracy, and additional utility options through Shelter, Rally Defense, and even Gentilhomme if needed. With that said, I do think the argument of opportunity cost/resource allocation is a very fair criticism, but ideas and builds like these are what make Conquest so interesting to discuss

[@jonathanlgill]

Yes, I agree that Wyvern Jakob is a commitment of 2 very important resources, and it does fall off at some point. But that damage stacking even opens up magic options in the midgame, and even a decent Bolt Axe build that's got better hit than Elise. He should probably use physical damage more, though. I've also done a Vantage / Life or Death build on Jakob (easier to set up in Birthright, but it's surprisingly decent in Conquest). I used it primarily to sweep through mage formations, but it also gives you a cheese option through chapter 19 with a Beast Killer. It also has value on frailer enemies like ninjas or samurai. It also positions Kana (and Dwyer) to receive some major damage-stacking skills, though they need additional investment to capitalize on it. It's not as optimized as the famous Ophelia build, but it's easier to setup.

[@samkeiser9776]

this will be like the longest tiering of any game lol, imagine if it was rev instead

[@krows-love]

If it was rev it would be (insert character sucks and basically has no use) for half the list tbf

[@cooperm4185]

Rev is easier to tier since it's got that FE12 "this unit has no possible contributions" balancing. Conquest has possibly the best balance in the series, and if it doesn't it at least is the best at giving everyone different niches

[@A_Person_64]

​@@cooperm4185 My favorite thing with FE12 was learning the free silvers tier exist and then around 2016-2018 after a bunch of H3/H4 0 growths runs, the game sorta just got memed on with SOYO runs doing some of the most cursed reclasses I've ever seen Sniper Yubello...Warrior Astram...General Etzel (which somehow is effective since he has a personal defense of 6)

[@naiRISE766]

Ninjas S tier. Especially Saizo since he has Laslow friendship for strong riposte now. everything else B or below

[@ivanbluecool]

Love how felicia and jakob were made as maid butler evo classes that work as good support and heal. Wish we just got those type of healers overall going forward. It's sweet.

[@nodot17]

I feel they tried to do that with engage healers but maybe arts were a little undertuned in that. and in 3h you just made your warlock/ gremory heal since the healer classes didn't give you much worth

[@A_Person_64]

Always nice when FE makes more support and utility classes. Debuffs being useful on revival stone bosses and demonic beast is pretty nice too. The two servants remind me a lot like Wolf and Sedgar from Shadow Dragon where they're earlygame prepromotes with strong growth upon reclassing.

[@DoggyP00]

Thats all healers in fire emblem

[@ivanbluecool]

@@DoggyP00 yeah sure. Lissa can definitely do damage pre master seal. I could go on but it's easier to end it here. Save my time not yours

[@ivanbluecool]

@@mihaimercenarul7467 clearly you are with that attitude kid. Funny how you act like something being fun or making someone happy calls them a kid. You sound like a bitter adult who acts like a child. Basically grow up if that's your mentality.

[@lagspike7763]

It's kind of absurd how much of a turnaround the community has had on the whole Jakob Felicia situation. Everyone was all in on Jakob back in as recent as 2020 but these days pretty much everyone places them right next to one another.

[@cartooncritic7045]

What critical thinking and experimenting with various options outside the usual conventions and wisdom of the (frequently wrong) FE community does to a mfer.

[@A_Person_64]

​@@cartooncritic7045 Shadow Dragon upon release: Mage Caeda and Dark Mage Cord are among the best units in the game Shadow Dragon now: If you can use a ridersbane or dragonpike, you gucci 😎 (or alternatively, it's viable to level as a curate to level 20 promote and then reclass) Wendell being one of the best units because his personal speed stat along with being an early joining prepromote will always be funny. Mage pope casually hops on a wyvern for one chapter and then becomes a swordmaster in the next.

[@ecbrd8478]

I agree, the gameplay screen does seem to be growing. Anyway I think it's a good change, after all, the tier list is hardly the focus when you guys are in podcast mode talking about a unit for upwards of fifteen minutes. Frankly I never watch tier list vids on youtube to look at the tier list, I watch tier list vids to hear an opinion informed by experience that I may or may not have, either to compare my own experience or to fill in my lack thereof. I have never played Fire Emblem Fates.

[@thomaswang4268]

With the recent video involving the discussion of Sol Maid Charlotte, Sol Maid Effie should be worth mentioning. She does take one more seal (1 partner for Fighter-Hero, 1 heart/friendship for Maid), but her defenses are much better, and she does grow out of the her base speed deficit to have similar speed to Sol Ninja Laslow. It's still not good, but it's a surprisingly OK funny build involving fast supports.

[@FereldenKrogan]

For those with DLC Great Lord Effie is a thing. A little frail but hits like a truck (plus, aether).

[@SuperEljafru]

felicia and jakob + corrin marriage are some of the most fun i’ve had playing fates. my most recent run had felicia heart seal level 1 for sol, into wyvern and then back into maid for a sol “master ninja” in as early as chapter 12. i managed to get her to solo the top room of heros and sorcerers in chapter 18 with ELEVEN strength THROUGH ENFEEBLE; not optimal, but really tests your knowledge and ability to manage game mechanics.

[@CarbonMalite]

The most fun you'll ever have on Lunatic mode is getting replicate on Jacob asap and playing through the game with +3 unit deployments on every map. While you're at it, grab tome breaker on Jacob to invalidate every other mage encounter for the rest of the game.

[@Mekkkah]

As I said in the video I tried that and I was pretty disappointed in all aspects of it other than Jakob and Jakob being decent. Kana and Dwyer were still pretty awful. Corrin was fine but Ninja Corrin is always fine.

[@CarbonMalite]

@@Mekkkah I may be bias, but I'd make the case for the unique functionality. A bulky Kana build with dragonstone+ is impossible to kill w/ the bonus of hex/dragonfang and HP regen. It's 1 blocker taking up 2 spaces and both hit hard/debuff. Dwyer is probably one of the worst stave users, however being able to run 1 less healer (if you were running 2 or more) and +1 backpack is great for offensive team comps. You do have the niche bonus of having one inventory on 2 units, so you can run entrap/freeze/rescue in two different places without having to buy multiple staves or position around trading. Insane value on Ryoma's and the final map.

[@jonathanlgill]

@@CarbonMalite The double Dragonstone setup sounds fun, but having two tiles where one tank is exposed to attacks makes it sound pretty situational, especially as the stat drops from Dragonstone+ make it hard to juggernaut for more than one turn.

[@CarbonMalite]

@@jonathanlgill The pro imo is that you can choke points in ways you normally wouldn't be able to, but there are always other solutions to these challenges that don't involve turtling too.

[@mvjbass9561]

I really like Effie's unit design. Armoured Knights are usually pretty boring, especially in the modern FE games. Effie bucks the trend by being capable of hitting one-shot thresholds between her high str and personal. She's far from the best unit, however, if you just use her in the earlygame then she gives you a lot from little to no investment. Plus her fast support with Arthur generates one of the best child units really early in comparison to most of the other good kids.

[@CarbonMalite]

My favorite thing about her is that if you invested in her lance rank, you can easily brave lance ORKO the stoneborn on the eternal stairway. And it's incredibly easy to hit A lances if you solo the kitsune lair+chokepoint in the ninja cave.

[@cartooncritic7045]

@@CarbonMalite I'd be deathly afraid of deploying any horseback units on Kitsune Lair tbh.

[@CarbonMalite]

@@cartooncritic7045 You can probably defense stack and solo the map in great knight, but general can turn skip it w/ no resources much faster.

[@A_Person_64]

Effie is very cool, glad that she went the Oswin route Something I found is that you can stack DEF to insane levels in 3H (you can do something lulzy with felix and get his shield and combine it with pavise/aegis, dedue's battalion and be borderline unkillable) Engage just makes them untouchable versus non-magic users or chain attackers and you can use the obvious sigurd emblem (wonder if someone's made Celica work on an armor, would be funny). It seems like the devs were aware of this too considering maddening AI and increased presence of mixed forces. FE4 remake may have reclassing so I wonder what will happen to Arden...

[@mvjbass9561]

@@A_Person_64 Can you do that in Engage? I found that on Hard, but the Armour Knights on Maddening did not keep up with enemy damage going in to the mid/late game. Goldmary is the best if reclassed but even she was taking damage, plus the chain attacks negates tanking. I like that in 3H though, stacking def/protect on Wyvern Edelgard just turned her into the Wyvern that did absolutely everything.

[@jaredlarter6018]

I do like the larger gameplay screen - better for watching on phone

[@jonathanlgill]

Effie x Silas is one of my favorite earlygame pairings. With Vow of Friendship, Elbow Room, and Effie's pairup bonuses, Silas is such a powerful tank, and both of them get good skills for free if they go Great Knight. As a bonus, Effie's hair looks great against Sophie's dark armor, and she can pick up the slack when Effie falls off midgame. For a unit like Arthur, tiering him (or Charlotte) is really difficult because it's hard to evaluate what pairup bonuses should count as on tier lists. I wish he was better as an individual unit, for the reasons Mekkah listed, but his bases are so poor and his personal skill is harmful, where it never really makes sense to do. The one time that the Hero class is better for him is if he marries Wyvern Elise. She really benefits from his pairup bonuses early on, and they have a fast support, so it's quite feasible. He gives +6 skill, +3 Speed, +2 Defense, which is basically a perfect stat distribution for her after she promotes. I have said this before, but I do think Zoran overstates the difficulties of being melee-locked. It's mostly only chapter 22 onwards where enemy groups often have 1-2range coverage, and melee units feel bad there (bow units sort of do, but unharmed player phase strikes is a genuine benefit). However, before that point, attack stance Javelin or Hand Axe setups can be pretty effective in taking out formations of ninjas and mages. Usuallly chapters 16, 17, 18, 20 have chokehold areas where these formations are easy to set up, possibly with aura support. It's harder to reach those thresholds against enemy Heroes or Paladins, but you can use melee weapons for that. Wyvern Lords are good offensive units despite having to use axes or lances (obviously the flying is a huge factor here), so it's not too hard to do. Though it's true your best performers late game mostly use 1-2range.

[@graemetang4173]

Was coming here to comment about replicate strategist Jacob right as Zoran started saying it haha Replicate Strategist Jacob makes him an insane support unit.

[@hanzou1238]

Honestly i feel Master Ninja Effie is really good. Having a MN that can easily cap strength while still reliably doubling is very good, and it helps that she is very bulky as well since on average she will be 2 off of capping Def in MN. I like the Ninja boon on Corrin since i send her Dark Falcon anyway and Effie can reach A support for a friendship seal pretty quickly

[@BoJoCool916]

I really wish maid Effie was talked about at all, it’s really funny and patches a lot of her issues.

[@Mekkkah]

Maid Effie seems great! Put it on the list.

[@DeePee-vy5vp]

Great knight Jakob with raider weapons is something I’ve had far more luck with

[@creativename2281]

Banger video

[@giygas9305]

This is kind or random but I was watching Cautious Hero anime and I thought the Dragon girl looked like Felicia from Fates.

[@nodot17]

Assuming when talking about classes of a unit we're excluding the caveat of corrin letting you do whatever you please. Female corrin with ninja talent nearly doubles the number of available ninjas in conquest. Not that you would need that many.

[@Mekkkah]

It's being discussed as an option but of course Corrin can't support literally everyone let alone marry more than one person, so having access to a class through a non-Corrin path is still a significant advantage!

[@nodot17]

@@Mekkkah 👌

[@Tehaxor1]

Would effie marrying arthur asap and becoming berserker not have her become everything arthur wishes he could be?

[@7of475]

Larger gameplay screen doesn't cover anything important and it's a little clearer to see. Short attention folks who need something to look at rejoice!

[@krows-love]

In b4 Vexijil arthur comment

[@VeXJL]

Stop it 😭

[@Estfireemblem]

Arthur the hero

[@lagspike7763]

What's the order you guys are doing this in because I thought you guys were just doing this from best to worst but then there's Arthur and Effie here

[@Mekkkah]

It started with the units I had in S tier before, now we just kinda pick units roughly in join order or in a way that allows fun comparisons (such as Odin and Leo)

[@nodot17]

clearly the true mvp is bolt axe hero felicia JK we all know shining bow bow knight felicia is were its at

[@jonathanlgill]

I actually did this on my last playthrough. She really wants Adventurer, sadly, because she needs the extra magic points. Moreover, Felicia's ability to take on enemy mages is significantly reduced due to triangle disadvantage and the poor hit of the Shining Bow. Tomebreaker doesn't fix the issue as much as you'd want, though Lucky Sevens would significantly improve it. Still, it's actually not bad.

[@Aureels]

I never invest in tonics, I prefer to invest on staff to heal my lvl21 Aqua (leveled for "the choice") when hit by a boss (in frozen village) to get all my healer and my Corrin healer instantly promoted before chapter 10 after that I don't have a lot of money left, but my unit are monstruous.

[@papita69xxx]

I always felt Jakob was a lot better not only because his reclassing options seemed to offer more and having a paralogue associated meant that the later the join time the harder would it be to get the paralogue and get mileage out of those resources. I don't know how much credit you can give Jakob for that but it's a point that concerns me when i play Male Corrin. The problem i had in my last run was that without the heart seal Jakob wasn't that good while as a great knight in my other runs i got more out of him. Used my heart seal to get vantage on Odin then reclass him back to dark mage which was amazing for him but not sure if it was worth in the end as i ended up delaying reclassing on my other units for way to fing long. I also tried the strategist path you guys suggested....it was a nightmare to level up as strategist but my guess if you pop the seal right on the edge of leveling up and then go back to maid/buttler it's not that bad. Still 2 seals though. I think Arthur's analysis is pretty spot on. I don't like training the fighters all the way to berserker and use them as combat units but they make good backpacks. There are some good capture targets if you want zerkers and you can always give Camilla or Percy access to it and build some damage. Speaking of berserker i noticed Effie can marry Benny for it which makes her unique as other female characters need to get it through Keaton/Arthur. Can be a consideration if you want the all berserker party zoran mentioned. I like Effie even though i've only used her in the knight three. I like to go general first because i like to solo kitsune lair with her. There are other candidates sure but it's something she can do really well if you don't want to or have the resources to class change Xander or Odin to do it. Silas's utility as a husband is hilarious for getting Cavalier skills through great knight promo. Makes me wonder if there are more instances where something like that can be worth. Edit: i just finished my 3rd Conquest run and i did Malig Knight Elise x Jakob and it's not as bad as Zoran and Mekkah put it. It helps Jakob's mobility, he appreciates Wyvern's pair up bonuses and Elise can use the speed. Plus the pair up bonuses as butler help a lot more omce Elise is promoted. The thing is though Jakob as a wyvern was as mediocre as you guys describe but it's not all bad for Elise.