James Charles, Tati Westbrook, & The Cesspool That Is The Beauty Community

[@ilerifirat]

Marvel: Infinity War is the most ambitious crossover event in history UV: Hold my vegan makeup brush

[@katheryng9295]

YEESSS

[@kuromushi3464]

THIS 😂

[@JayeCole]

🤣🤣

[@AbiRoseXx]

lmao i was just about to comment this

[@mycomments4215]

😂😂😂😂

[@ophelia.artaud]

Really wish the beauty community was more about artistry and less about capitalism

[@rust44]

It’s all about social capital.

[@2stayweird]

Same. The rampant consumerism is what finally turned me off. I love playing with makeup but lately it seems more about "what can I haul" instead of what looks they can create.

[@jenniferhunter4074]

I stopped watching the beauty community. I just wanted to figure out how to put on eye shadow for a wedding. I'm a "just lipstick" kind of person most of my days. (I'm lucky. I have nice skin. It doesn't break out a lot.) I always liked Wayne Goss. He used real people and he called out filters and that kind of crap. Even now, if there is an event and I need to figure out something, I'd probably head over to Goss' channel and look through the various videos. (Please note - I haven't watched his channel in a while. However, he was the biggest help when figuring out how to put on eye makeup and I loved his positive attitude.) I have never figured out eyeliner. I can barely swipe on mascara. (And I never remember to buy that stupid eyelash curler that they all use.) (My trick, just using a q tip - don't judge - and smudging it on the upper lash line. My eye senses my fear and goes twitchy crazy when I approach it with eyeliner. I can't say I blame my poor eyes.)

[@aBirdAndHisBoy]

...What? Tati is the ONLY guru who doesn't do sponsorships or affiliate codes. She was literally his West Coast Step MOM: this was not about money, it was loyalty.

[@MierRocio]

Its the effect of capitalism in general and its not just entertainment, food, education, everything turns into whats best for capital, so basically turns to shit. This is why theres that stereotype of the older person thinking in their day everything was better lol.

[@lizd.2343]

We love a woke veggie mom

[@jazzy9359]

Yessss

[@lizd.2343]

@@jw771 Stan=👍

[@hickorysocks2628]

Please stop being brutally honest. I really wanted to believe that Halo beauty pills would make me beautiful. Now I’m stuck improving my diet...

[@piggy_queen0426]

😂😂😂

[@frann8552]

This is a weird crossover Edit: because this has so many likes I’d like to take the time to promote an actually honest and extremely intelligent beauty KZbind her KZbin channels is Kaur beauty and she’s a med student and she also did a video discussing the ingredients in tatis products

[@nopi-exe]

I know. I love it.

[@katheryng9295]

@@nopi-exe sammmeee I love it

[@aidaagraan5316]

I like it

[@melindag7864]

Living for it TBH.

[@hayleerodriguez2711]

Honestly tru you should also check out Jenny Nicholson

[@alexan2821]

"Most of us are trying to enhance our natural features" Me in a full face of It clown makeup: yes

[@karlaaa0093]

Alexa Noriega 😂😂😂

[@FrolleinFroschbein]

I feel called out

[@TimoteoDeBaum]

Lmfaooooo

[@MsLou43]

😂😂😂

[@Julie-jl2kk]

baby covered entirely from head, face to toe in bronzey peanut butter: AH~

[@CassieTranthesuperfitbabe]

Honestly, you could literally talk about anything--Game of Thrones, the issues in the self-help and entrepreneur community, mommy bloggers/Instagrammers--and I will LOVE the video XOXO

[@AzjatyckiCukier]

But it's not good for a chanel to go all ways on different topics. A variety of topics will draw in more subs, but the audience will be fractured and interested only in a sliver of the channel's overall activity.

[@christey123]

OMG YES TO THE SELF HELP AND ENTREPRENEURS STUFF. i always feel icky after reading/seeing that kind of stuff and i can never figure out WHY

[@hayleerodriguez2711]

*You know it’s bad when a vegan channel makes fun of you*

[@undead4456]

Haylee Rodriguez you know you’re fucked when even the vegans are after you lmao

[@andrearobyn3701]

it's bad when the vegan community calls your community toxic

[@andrearobyn3701]

@Jake S It's not that vegan channels are bad, but at a glance of the overall vegan community there are a lot of people who are hateful, belittling, and give really awful advice. It's the concept of some spoiling the whole to outsiders of the community, which is the case with the beauty community as well.

[@ilerifirat]

UV: So what should I make a video about, A) youtube drama and cancel culture, B) body image issues or C) predatory behaviour? Audience: Yes

[@aardfay]

and D) consumerism

[@ReviveFromMyMind]

For anyone looking for wearable, helpful and non-product pushing makeup content, not a 'guru', but Lisa Eldridge's channel is the place to go! She's a professional makeup artist and her tutorials are as good as it gets, plus the ad revenue she donates to charity!!

[@anastaciazara1787]

I adore Lisa Eldridge. I could listen to her voice all day long.

[@tad193]

The beauty community has really ruined the word 'guru'. Where I live, the word means teacher, mentor, or expert. It's a sign of reverence when you refer to someone as your guru, it has a completely different connotation...It's just cringy when people associate something as frivolous and vain as the beauty community with this word.

[@TracyD2]

Ta Di Oh I know. I commented this in in a few videos and no one cared.

[@karlaaa0093]

ERROR oh thanksss I subscribed

[@navinchaal8794]

@@tad193 Me too. In Malay language, guru means teacher, those who actually teach in schools and all. Kindda weird for me, since most beauty gurus dont teach you anything.

[@JacobMichael]

Yeah, as a gay guy, I get extremely disgusted with glorifying the pursuit of straight dudes. It's definitely not just James that does it, and honestly glad he was called on this because it's a conversation that we need to have. Gay men are only now attaining the same rights as others, and now it's almost considered "cool" to be supportive of everything gay guys do. And, in fact, I think people are scared to critique it because they don't want to seem problematic. Honestly, Unnatural Vegan, your criticisms of your vegan community have inspired me to start making videos criticizing these things about my community (i.e. the gay community). 🤔 There's a LOT of content that could be made from that.. because, trust me, the gay community has *SO* many toxic norms.

[@KrissyMeow]

I agree. I had an ex friend who constantly did the same that James Charles does with straight men and it's something that was always just weird and off. I'd love to hear your opinion on things in your community! If you ever make those types of videos.

[@nopi-exe]

Do it, do it, do it.

[@JacobMichael]

@@nopi-exe Video coming tonight ;D Just filmed it

[@roelin360]

Yeah! Everyone wants straight guys and no one wants me!... maybe it's because I'm extremely unapealing both physically and personality wise...

[@kent7164]

I think it’s normal for people to want what they can’t have. But James took it to an extreme and to think he could do whatever he wanted and get away with it because he was a “celebrity”. Disgusting, I def agree with you

[@Char10tt3_]

me: *has not once in my life cared about these people* Unnatural vegan: *makes a 25 minute video about them* Me: OH SHIT LADIES PUT THE KETTLE ON WE BOUT TO SPILL THIS TEA ☕️

[@jessa.4529]

Right same. Last time I wore make up? My wedding day Haha. Put on the kettle.

[@TheAmy2389]

THIS is the mash-up of content I've been waiting for🤣🙌

[@melissabereading]

My biggest issue with Tati is that she only decided to “cancel” JC after he promoted her biggest competitor.

[@sarahclaiborne2010]

It's so weird, earlier today I was thinking "I wonder what UV has go say about this scandal" but then thought "why would she have anything to say about this whole deal" but now here we are

[@romancandleofthewild]

You must have ESPN

[@sarahclaiborne2010]

@@jungkooksnipple3356 never even saw yours. Get over yourself

[@Geoffrey454]

I love how she's used something so seemingly meaningless to bring awareness to larger issues.

[@KnowingBetter]

KZbin drama is my guilty pleasure, I'm so happy you made a video about this 😂

[@Jean-Berry]

@@jms855 especially on a video by Unnatural Vegan *ABOUT KZbin DRAMA*

[@wickedkingjeremy]

How unexpected...

[@knottiemunkie8323]

And here I thought you knew better...

[@katie-yk1es]

"I know what stan is" you do sound like my mom hahaha

[@nopi-exe]

Honestly she lowkey is my mom to me lolol, her and her channel is so wonderful

[@katie-yk1es]

Nopi agree and i love her perspective on this.

[@pep_z780]

Lmao

[@NomadicVegan]

OK, I'll bite. What is Stan ?

[@sophieereckson17]

@@NomadicVegan I googled it. "An overzealous or obsessive fan of a particular celebrity."

[@fakenamelol527]

Ugh I cringed at him saying “there’s no challenge in that”. Some straight men view lesbians as challenges, so they seek them out and harass them. The same thing applies to you, James. Stop viewing straight men as a challenge that you can convert, it’s inappropriate and consequently supports a “conversion therapy” mentality. Gross.

[@liviestar365]

Unnatural Vegan sippin the tea Or coffee with soy milk and splenda

[@gastllyxo]

liviestar365 accurate lol

[@gothgirlatheart3545]

LOLOLOLOLOL

[@TomKilworth]

Ahbviously

[@shelleyk92]

😂😂😂

[@elfinartist4961]

😂😂😂omg she needs to see this

[@jazzzen2173]

I am so surprised and happy that you even mentioned the black beauty community. There is such a need for representation for dark skinned people and you're right, these things are important to many people. I love how you're able to talk about a variety of issues and topics in a respectful, non bias educational way.

[@Kayleigh839]

Did not expect this but very much looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the matter.

[@Kayleigh839]

"You're just encouraging people to go out and buy more shit that they don't need." omfg yes, exactly!!

[@YvetteASMR]

I need a video explaining this new vocabulary. Who is Stan? Why is he shook? Is someone actually shaking him? That's just an unnecessary attac.

[@Kirbybaby]

Theres no way to escape this tea lmao!

[@dulcevalenzuela4203]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@roelin360]

Ikr? I saw a channel focused on atheism and religion talk about this topic too lol

[@AlejandraTorres-kx6no]

My exact thoughts lol

[@benitobenitez5975]

HHahahha

[@mariaathena7910]

Even a woo fighter channel I watch spilled the tea 🤣

[@katew3891]

This was a good video! I like that it was kinda different from your regular content but it still felt natural and very on brand for lack of a better term.

[@ilerifirat]

You having *references* for this is sending me, love your enthusiasm.

[@ilerifirat]

@murrclurrburr yea but cut her some slack, she's spilled exceptionally hot "tea" out of the blue 😆

[@lewlavabra6811]

I KNOW OMG IT'S AMAZING

[@saidahwilsonp.7756]

Can I just say that I've never seen your work, but I was so pleasantly shocked that you brought up Black beauty bloggers!? It's literally the reason I started watching makeup bloggers. Jackie Aina specifically, while she loves a cake face😂 literally taught me how to wear makeup.

[@esotericone9101]

Jackie, Jackie, Jackie, Jackie🤣🤣

[@saidahwilsonp.7756]

@@esotericone9101 🤣🤣🤣

[@thatonedog819]

I think that promoting sugar bear hair was the last straw rather than the one specific reason she came out. I think her Bye Sister video was a long time coming. Tati doesn't like scandal, so I can understand why she waited for so long. I will probably never bye Halo for the same reasons you said, and I also think Tati used the "scary chemical" argument wayy too often. I wouldn't take her advice on that type of stuff. That said, I love Tati as a person and I do trust her opinions of if a make up formula works.

[@dianamendoza6829]

bel pet Exactly! It was the tip of the iceberg! That’s how I saw it too, because I can relate to it. I am also a patient person who has spoken up after being pushed too far and it was not due to the last thing that pushed me, rather it was all the events that led up to it.

[@WeWannaRockAllNight]

Exaaaactlyy, I still dont know why people are not getting that part. She said that she was making the vid cuz of James speaking with Drama channels and Gabriel Zamorra talking crap in IG. Of course that was the last straw, she tried to give advise to James but he never changed and she got tired of it.

[@cookiecami18]

I mean, I agree and love Tati and saw the entire video but this Bye Sister vídeo made me so disappointed in her. For the first time she acted like the other problematic KZbinrs. Just calling it Bye Sister is so dramatic. And the outcome has given her so many followers and so much free publicity for Halo. Idk as a result I unfollowed both James and Tati...

[@findingmagic9762]

I’m confused at how he owed her to sponsor halo?🤷🏻‍♀️ I would never mix business with friendship. I feel she is mad because she helped him in the beginning out of the “goodness” of her heart. Then if that’s the case she shouldn’t expect anything in return. What she did was wrong.

[@Maruzella_]

@@findingmagic9762 she didn't expect anything in return but friends have friends back and don't stab it. When he told her about doing an ad for SBH, she said "If you need to promote something like that at least support mine and not my competition, I will give you a deal just don't take theirs."

[@clarabrandaog]

UV: "there are some channels that discuss this stuff and are not toxic, but I can't remember one" Me: SIMPLYNAILOGICAL THE BEST BEAUTY GURU EVER

[@BasquiatorSAMO]

They would make an interesting collaboration. They both look at logic and reason.

[@BasquiatorSAMO]

@Violet Skye she doesn't specifically promote make up and products. Apart from the video where she copied niki tutorials and spent $1k onmake up, she never talks about what specific product she is wearing. Its more of a running joke that she is trying to be a beautiful person/beaty guru.

[@alisonvennard3869]

Glam and gore

[@Peopleofthesun386]

I have no idea who any of these people are, I am not even vegan but I enjoy your videos.

[@kristawheale8785]

PAPA BEAR haha, same!

[@KrissyMeow]

Same hahah. Well I know who they are but not vegan!

[@kendrickness7202]

HAHAHAH

[@mylifeinthesunshine4465]

same

[@chiiiicchetta]

Stacy King me 🙋🏻‍♀️😂😂

[@Ali-zn6sg]

Whatever happened to good ol' Flintstone vitamins. Anyone still take those?

[@oliviagreen8853]

Ali Perez I take them still! Haha

[@MrsBillieJeanJackson]

Samantha Ravndahl is great! She really had a problem with the wasteful nature of PR packages and took herself off the mailing list for them! She talks a lot about the toxicity of the makeup industry etc. Plus she’s hilarious and talented!

[@marrabowens5208]

She's my absolute favorite in that community, it's so nice to see someone that isn't just pushing products or contributing to waste.

[@olgag9901]

I watched her latest video yesterday on menstrual cups. freaking hilarious.

[@nadiabishop5650]

Yep her latest video is the best 😂 and the comment section 😝

[@MrsBillieJeanJackson]

Nadia bishop haha yes her last video was amazing😂 And the comment section is always great, as are her description boxes😆

[@Mellyouttaphase]

Living for that video - it was not only really helpful but of course absolutely hilarious! 😂❤️

[@witchecheveria9417]

what infuriates me the most about this whole thing that she prided herself on building up his career when nobody would work with him - at the height of his racism scandals. like are you kidding me? for years people, and especially POC have been saying that he is hurting them with all of his racist and transphobic behaviors. and what it takes to damage his reputation, truly, is not all of that, but exhibiting predatory behavior towards STRAIGHT MEN, and not promoting her vitamins. this is where Tati draws the line. really? but being racist as hell is okay? she created this monster, putting millions and millions in his pocket, and now it comes back to bite her in the ass. i don't feel bad for her at all.

[@shaniyawordsworth7800]

And I oop--

[@jelatinosa]

Exactly! Tati is just as bad as James. She is so fake, I don't know how people buy her. I could see it a mile away!

[@maranaomi8235]

Yeah, apparently racism is cool with Tati (cough Jeffery Star) but hair vitamins is the line. (Even though she wears weave ☕🍵)

[@lilycooper8612]

🍵 she acts so innocent but I see through it

[@jiminsjimjams9477]

Seriously. I knew there was something wrong with James from the moment I first Saw him. That boy was faker than my windowsill plant! Then I heard he was transphobic and I was done.. It doesn't surprise me to learn that he's racist and a bad friend too..

[@josiepieable]

The infamous pinkity drinkity is vegan. Don't know if that's relevant or not

[@aikuaic]

josiepieable renamed: pink taTEA

[@emilycasper-kelley7118]

Hey! You made a vegan thing good job! Haha

[@AndreaB140]

Haha So Relevant!!! Lol

[@BloodyGlitter3]

😂

[@worshipcatalyst1]

This made me laugh. Thank you.

[@tynus7290]

I'm glad you've mentioned Cheap Lazy Vegan! I love her videos (yours too ;)

[@nocause5395]

I think people forget that Tati didn't come out just because of the vitamins. It was because she agreed with his first point of not promoting vitamins for teens but he evolved to a point where hell sell out his fans for artist passes, and that clearly showed that she couldn't keep him grounded in reality. I also don't think she's happy that she's got these subscribers this way or that her words would cause this much damage to James, because Tati had a small 2/3 less subscribers than him. And James and his stans have taken down other youtubers before.

[@omonaijanimi]

NoCause lol

[@SS-yv4ro]

I think tati mentioned in the beginning of her video as saying that the reason why she came out with the video was bc of gabriel zamora who was speaking badly about her character

[@nocause5395]

@@mouse1919 No she's not and you can read her IG comment on that. I don't think she ever wanted to get big like this. Also, no one thought that people would switch to her. I never even believe James would lose that much, maybe 1 or 2 million, but 3+ milion ouch. Even I someone who watches Tati, didn't think that his followers would switch to her. Also, I don't think she ever wanted to "cancel" James but give him an intervention. I've seen downfalls but never this deep.

[@nocause5395]

@Alejandro Spillari A. He hasn't done anything illegal yet. But his ego was growing by the minute to monstous proportions. I mean seeing his ball sack at Coachella was disgusting. B. She did do something about it by confronting him behind the scenes about his behavior various time, even James admits this. She felt like a mother/mentor to him and as such you wouldn't turn your child in right away you'd try to get him help. She felt, like many others felt that he can grow and change, but money turns you. C. She probably thought she can mold him to be a better adult, but money speaks louder than words. D. How is this High School drama if he's a predator?

[@emiliana1767]

@@nocause5395 completely agree! Im very sure Tati would not have wanted to double her subs by losing and exposing a toxic friend. I dont think they will change her channel for the better. They change her demographic and didnt sub because they enjoy her content. They will be dead subs in a short while.

[@Kittichanlove]

Thanks for acknowledging the black community and inclusivity

[@elliesilva1907]

😂 oh brother

[@Torischannel1]

@@elliesilva1907Silva whats with the "oh brother" comment? what she said in her video is very real and very relevant

[@berniebro4202]

Don't lie, we know that you have an account on Guru Gossip

[@UnnaturalVegan]

I just lurk like a little bitch

[@TheAdventuresofJade]

Unnatural Vegan you’re so fabulous Hahahah

[@berniebro4202]

@@UnnaturalVegan it's ok, my wife is an enthusiastic participant

[@KrissyMeow]

More people do than like to admit. 😉

[@lann1921]

Don't we all ;)

[@karinakapanzhi1731]

Samantha Ravndahl !!! She’s very open about editing and is vegan btw and refused all PR

[@Golden_Jailine]

Karina Kapanzhi i was just abt to comment this!

[@grungeandglitter281]

if she's vegan, why does she use makeup that is tested on by animals? I'm honestly just curious

[@Golden_Jailine]

Grunge And Glitter That’s stuff she bought/received as gifts or PR in the past that she is currently in the process of using up but I’m pretty sure she doesn’t plan on repurchasing. I could be mistaken tho

[@grungeandglitter281]

@@Golden_Jailine Thank you so much for clarifying! I've watched a couple of her videos and have been interested, It seems like she doesn't use a filter on her videos anymore which is refreshing

[@Marinapaige13]

I do believe that she calls herself plant based instead of vegan too. Could be because of using non cruelty free makeup or something else but just something to keep in mind

[@givemethebreadsticks]

not the crossover we expected, but perhaps it's the one we need. (WOMP WOMP WOMP YEEAH EEYEAH EEYEAAH)

[@MsTree]

I like this measured response.

[@thekcrane]

give me the breadsticks 😂😂😂

[@Conformist138]

I really didn't have any issue with the whole "James goes for straight guys" thing until hearing him say "Where's the challenge in that?" when talking about who he is or isn't interested in. It's rarely a good sign for someone to be specifically attracted to resistance (not to mention sadly self-defeating). Hopefully being 19 means he'll grow out of some very immature views on sex and relationships.

[@taytaysharrard]

you should make a video on types of supplements and multivitamins that have a lot of evidence behind them! I know you always speak of multivitamins in certain videos of people with weird diets or if theyre deficient. just wanting to figure out which multivitamins could have the best outcome on health in the long run

[@bextree]

Agreed!!

[@yacabe]

I second this

[@aurora8183]

Good idea!

[@rawlahiabetes6969]

Supplements are not an effect means if getting anything. Your best bet is thru whole foods and natural drinks.

[@mollytornado]

Vitamin supplements are only useful for people with deficiencies, certain medical conditions, or who are in certain stages of life. You should aim to get all of your nutrients from a well balanced diet and a healthy lifestyle. Supplements can cause you to go over the safe upper limits of nutrients, especially if you eat fortified foods/drinks and are already getting enough nutrients from your diet. This is why you should always consult a medical professional before taking any supplements, along with the fact they can negatively interact with prescription medication and be unsuitable for those with certain medical conditions. For most people, dietary supplements are a waste of money. It's also worth mentioning that a significant amount of the studies done on supplements are funded by the supplement industry.

[@debbiep99]

Came for the Daria like response to this "scandal" and was not disappointed. You said everything I was thinking.

[@katew3891]

i think you're hip

[@h8dali]

kate w shes not a regular mom shes a cool mom

[@RavingAngel]

I am petite so the "you kind of don't matter" hit me to the core because I have very small feet (child size) and can NEVER find any high-heeled (or ANY) shoes for my size. LITERALLY. It's just that no one ever talks about this because it's not as controversial as race.. :( I know that some will think that these are "first-world problems" but it does affect how I perceive myself, not being able to wear "grownup shoes" affects how I dress and how I dress affects my self-perception and emotional state. My womanhood feels just ..annulled whenever I go into any shoe shop.

[@worshipcatalyst1]

I started calling them the "makeup community". There's nothing beautiful about them for the most part.

[@Mmmmmhm]

not much of a community either

[@katelynbaird4553]

Samantha Ravndahl is a beauty influencer who has stopped editing her photos, she tries to eat plant based, and has stopped accepting PR to reduce waste! LOVE HER

[@oioe1345]

Finally an educated response. Thank youuuuu!!!!

[@wonteatit]

It was called "air brushing" when we were younger. hahaha

[@amberpilot5254]

I think people are missing what they need to learn from this whole situation. Stop blindly stanning people and cultishly buying all their products. People went from splurging on James Charles’ makeup stuff to subscribing and buying Tati’s products. At the end of the day, Tati profited enormously from this drama and she turned a blind eye to everything James did up until he wronged her (like you mentioned). Suddenly she cares about his predatory behavior after he took a jab at her company? It seems soooo fishy to me. I really want to like Tati, but I really just don’t trust anyone who is big in the beauty community at this point.

[@Ksanichka]

Tati talked to James about those issues in private for a long while and tried to convince him to change his ways, because that's the kind of person she is, she is loyal to her friends and doesn't immediately throw them under the bus. But he ignored her and showed with his behaviour that he doesn't care about what she has to say and doesn't care about her, money is evidently much more important. So she had to tell her truth, above all because Gabriel Zamora said that she's overreacting. James Charles is basically an egotistical, ignorant, self-obsessed, garbage human being

[@purplespray3768]

Yeah, I don't trust any of them

[@rust44]

It’s a bandwagon. People just collectively and blindly cancel someone and move to the next person without thinking.

[@tkps]

@@Ksanichka How do we know what she said behind the scenes? People are taking her word because she comes across as nice. There's one thing I've noticed on social media (I'm old). People DON'T say what they mean to face to face. They mumble a few noises then jump to tell the public. They don't take their friends aside and give them a good talking to. I can't count how many times I've seen people online say 'well I couldn't say anything', or 'I tried to hint'. That's not being straight with people. Her complaints did co-incide with the vitamin thing. No one will convince me she had zero ulterior motives. So what if Gabriel Zamora said she was over reacting? She was. Her even mentioning him PROVES how much all this gossip crap affects her. She's as shallow as the rest of them.

[@Ksanichka]

@@tkps what do have other people to do with how Tati handles things? I follow her for years and she showed through her actions her integrity time and time again, unlike the money hungry James Charles who values some cash over his friends. Tati has friends she had since childhood still by her side. The response to her video showed even more that everything she said was true and people who are in the industry (who aren't involved in the drama) said that they heard only good things about Tati. And I think to clearly realise that James Charles was only using her and to see how disloyal he truly is, was her breaking point. Why should she still care for someone and guard him, when he only cares for himself and gladly would betray her for some personal gain.

[@camadams9149]

16:58 There are certain beauty youtubers that focus on enhancing what you've got, like John Maclean I've always seen that as a more reasonable approach: "Yo your skin uneven or you've got dark circles? Welcome to being human. Here's how to smooth everything out"

[@yahee122]

YES I LOVE THIS. I WANT YOUR OPINION ON E V E R Y T H I N G.

[@kitchenboy69]

Amen. Lol.

[@nopi-exe]

Yessss

[@jessa.4529]

@@nada_null so?! I still wanna know what she thinks too. On everything!

[@denitabanks9372]

@@nada_null I'm drinking the vegan koolaid, sis.

[@athyx]

The crossover we need but don't deserve I STAN unnatural vegan!!

[@Posersclublife]

hahaha SAME!

[@ABC3-2]

What's STAN mean?

[@gx2553]

@@jw771 stan is an obsessed fan, so someone that goes above and beyond to support their idol

[@marisellopez6022]

Can you make a vid on alexandrasgirlytalks not being vegan anymore after 5 years. Would love to hear your take on it.

[@courtneyhamilton4495]

does not sound like she was ever vegan, it seemed like she only did it for health.

[@springbearsinlove]

bestdressed isn't exactly a beauty youtuber (more like fashion/lifestyle i guess), but i know she doesn't blur out her pimples on instagram. i believe her words were "i gotta represent for my acne sisters" or something like that. very refreshing (and she's super genuine too)

[@jiminsjimjams9477]

I love her!

[@CassieTranthesuperfitbabe]

I don't even follow up with beauty guru drama, but HOLY SMOKES I AM HERE for the all the tea

[@SalemFilo]

never thought you would talk about this but actually glad you did! this whole situation got hyped up so bad and nobody seems to even think rationally about it at this point, always nice to hear someone sane talk about this stuff.

[@KrissyMeow]

I think people are missing that Tati allegedly tried talking to James about his issues with straight men behind the scenes. He apparently never listened. Hence her bringing it to the public square. It's why imo, the "why didnt she care before" argument doesn't work here.

[@katekursive1370]

She didn't come forward bc their alleged private talks didn't work. She only did so after the vitamins made her upset. She's very unpleasant as well, she just has a soothing voice so people fall for her bs

[@KrissyMeow]

@@katekursive1370 Not a super fan of her either but what "BS" has she done? People say this but I never get a reply or if I do, I never get a clear answer. We can't speak to her intentions. Especially since it was clear the vitamin issue was simply the straw that broke the camels back. She had numerous issues (as in more than the vitamins) with him for a while and she makes that clear. And let's say you are right though, how does that excuse anything James Charles has done? If Tati has some "BS" by all means call it out though, however it seems like quite the deflection.

[@oight]

@@KrissyMeow her bs is her not standing up for what's right and excusing constant racism/misogny/transphobia until her feelings got hurt. she even said in her video that she was one of the only few people willing to work with him after his ebola comments! she doesn't give a shit about his racism, the right thing would be to not promote someone like that but she did. also her video is a massive ad, the language she uses speaking about how her product is selling like hot cakes, she'd rather use money to fund research than marketing (making her brand sound more trustworthy and scientific when it's not), ultimately halo beauty is feeding off of normally teenage girls insecurity and she's making a killing from it.

[@jelatinosa]

@@oight even before the halo beauty pills I realized she was fake, stuck up, petty and rude and I unsubscribed to her channel. It's might not be as obvious with her as it is with other people in that community, but to anyone with half a brain, ears and eyes, it should become apparent eventually when watching her.

[@Gikarin.Gamemaster]

And we learned yesterday that's actually reversed.

[@ChandaurRoshini]

I’ll be honest, I kept feeling like I was shit at make up because of those photoshopped pics. I kept thinking, well, yeah, they probably are photoshopped but the creators are so successful so it has to be minor changes. Then I met some influencers at BeautyCon, and it really fucked me up. They weren’t better then me at make up application. They were maybe more creative, but that perfect eye look was a lot just photoshop. I felt so awful. I was doing all this bridal make up because I didn’t think I was good enough to be paid and finding out that the influences weren’t leagues better then me didn’t make me feel better, it made me feel stupid and used. And I’m not a teen. I’m a grown women and it had this effect on me. I can’t imagine what it would do to me as a teen.

[@JacobMichael]

Literally just watched your Halo review from like a year ago. SOO pumped to see your thoughts on all this.

[@HamsaYassin]

Jacob Michael 🤪🤪

[@The_Food_Police]

Sad that it took this whole vitamin fiasco to get her to "speak out" about James. If James was such a bad person then she should've been saying something about it way before the vitamins issue.

[@jelatinosa]

Exactly. As much of a shitty person James is, Tati is also a fake, dishonest, shitty person.

[@sarahclaiborne2010]

Kind of responding as I watch, but Tati stated that her issue with James' promo of SBH is much deeper than him promoting a rival. She also stated she was patient and stuck around with James because she viewed him as a son, not a friend, which is why she never jumped ship on him. So for her to stick around for all of that and build him up to where he is today, him lying to her and turning around and promoting her rival clearly cut pretty deep.

[@fictionalbeauty]

Yeah, I agree. Tati's video makes it clear just how much she cared about him. She feels hurt and betrayed and I don't blame her.

[@kayleedaniels9782]

She's 37 years old. If James Charles is the worst of her problems I really envy her. He's a very immature millionaire with a heavily inflated ego and he's 19. There's a chance he will grow up in the next few years but unfortunately for now he's not a person to be trusted. Lots of people turn out to be disappointing. I'm sure he would have hung himself eventually with enough rope without her cancelling him.

[@CrowSyndicate]

Ngl I don't blame Tati for dropping him over the suppliments thing, he went against her essentially, but I kind of take issue with how long she let him being inappropriate with straight boys go on. Clearly people have known about this for a while, and as his mom friend so to speak, or even as a close friend, she should've been calling him out on this sooner. You can't just let this kind of thing slide because he's young and maybe he'll grow out of it. You sit that boy down and you tell him what he's doing wrong to his face and you be sure he listens. If you wanna see that boy grow up well, you have to tell him off when he fucks up. Idk, if it was my friend, I would've put my foot down about this much sooner

[@sarahclaiborne2010]

@@CrowSyndicate when you're wearing rose colored glasses, red flags just look like flags. It's easy to say what we would have done from an outsider perspective, but when you're an empath or just really love someone, it's easy to make excuses. She even recognizes this in her video.

[@bunnyloyalist]

Wow omg I didn't realise I needed this video! The beauty youtuber you were talking about at the end is Jkissa! She's adorable and loves colour, doesn't wear foundation and is cruelty free! But yes there are some beauty youtubers that don't materialise, usually the smaller youtubers like Kelly Gooch, Lauren Mae Beauty, Angelica Nyqvist are a little more focused on makeup and monitor their purchases! A bigger youtuber : Samantha Ravndahl, is a great youtuber, she's dealing with acne, doesn't filter her videos or pictures, and she's actually stopped receiving PR! She mentioned she's trying to be more conscious of her beauty purchases! I also love Mariah Leonard - she's super focused on technique and I always learn something from her. She also has celiac's disease and her skin is super sensitive so it always swings back and forth. :)

[@Emily-gc7hz]

Was not expecting it but I'm excited to hear your thoughts! Also, cesspool is the perfect word to describe the main beauty community lmao. Also, Samantha Ravndhal is a great youtuber who is trying to tone down wastefulness in the community!!

[@bellerella36]

Key word, "main" I follow mostly small beauty channels and they're so great

[@Emily-gc7hz]

@@bellerella36 exactly!!

[@MrHamster34]

Don't forget Lisa Eldridge. She puts up a video called Buy Nothing Makeup that is essentially telling everyone to use up their makeup collection before buying new ones again

[@Emily-gc7hz]

@@MrHamster34 I had no idea that she did that! I'll have to check it out. Thanks for the recommendation! :)

[@MrKykeon]

I really like hearing you discuss things not strictly related to veganism!!

[@belleberry511]

YESS 🙌 I love that you’ve been covering such a wide variety of topics in your videos lately!! you could talk about literally ANYTHING and I’d probably watch it

[@tomfondly5266]

Why doesn't anyone state the obvious: If JC thinks he can "turn" straight men gay, isn't he implying that homosexual is a choice?

[@heidih3048]

Not necessarily. It could imply that he thinks all men have the potential to respond sexually to him in particular (as if his sexual powers are so strong that he can "overpower" a man's "natural" sexuality, -- "natural" meaning the sexuality that comes the most naturally to him.)

[@CoutureBlondie]

Logical harmony and Rhian Hy are genuine and beautiful people inside and out who use and review vegan makeup and lifestyle, super kind, awesome people. Highly recommend

[@NomNomFairy]

Thanks for the tip, I subscribed right away:)

[@GoldenHairErik]

I think this is the best video on this channel yet. You are one of the most level-headed and rational people I've ever seen on this horrible website. Thank you for that.

[@Mary-eo9pd]

Me: Oh, UV, let's hear about the newest scoop on pseudosci- *JAMES CHARLES AND TATI DRAMA* Me: Oh no, it's spreading fast

[@nopi-exe]

Lmfao it’s like a virus

[@lann1921]

Tati was ok with it all before he went with sugar best, James is Bratty and Tatti is petty, both are canceled to me.

[@lann1921]

@Rosemary Terra when did I say it was?, I never liked him, he's been canceled to me long time before all this crap

[@luceh1000]

This is... not a video I ever expected from this channel

[@lillikilroy8254]

i've been avoiding this whole thing like the plague but i didn't even think for a second before clicking this video. your analysis is insightful, mature, and respectful, great video!

[@haveitontheside]

I do like the way Wayne Goss explains and demonstrates the filming and editing process.

[@dontellahfonne]

8:06 Faith Hill looks gorgeous as hell in that unedited photo.

[@Toby3610]

D Tellafone I was thinking the same. I liked the unedited version better and always have.

[@nordette]

I don't think they did a crazy job editing it like some photoshop jobs. It's like they just 'cleaned it up' the pics looked very similar to each other. That's a good photoshop job. The original looked good too though

[@evab.6240]

Honestly yeah.

[@evab.6240]

Honestly yeah.

[@rowan6650]

Random but I feel like a lot of the beauty community are Slytherins who are inhabiting the worst Slytherin attributes.

[@EMSpdx]

SAME.

[@karinaguardia5159]

Yeah, there should be more Ravenclaws and "good" Slytherins

[@rowan6650]

I just scrolled down and saw my own comment. 2020 binge youtube has really gone off the rails for me.

[@valeriamadrid1115]

I truly enjoy your videos! You really talk in a ver responsible and respectful way which is very refreshing because you don't tell any lies, most youtubers need to learn from you!

[@UncleMarco]

Talk about Trisha paytas next now that you’re a drama channel

[@Lindseyr333]

I have really been questioning social media and photoshopping etc lately and how it relates to self esteem. I really appreciate you going into the reality behind the drama. I almost didn’t watch but very glad I did!

[@analorenci]

you should make a video testing vegan makeup and vegan beauty products

[@Laura_Suzanne]

jesseca38 there’s just some things that a good skincare routine will never get get rid of, like acne scars. Those things are permanent no matter your age. 🤷‍♀️

[@siiggie]

Wifelife - Rhian, is a vegan youtuber that covers both beauty, mental health, veganism and more. She's the best!

[@user-gq2bv1dq4x]

Jkissa you were talking about maybe? - cruelty free, fun and bright makeup, no foundation and what looks to be minimal retouching. I need to spend less time watching makeup tutorials.

[@charleymayweight]

Swayze, thank you so much. This is a refreshingly intellectual video about the beauty community. It was spot on! It's great to hear from a real person giving an objective point of view about the tragedy that exists today within this community. Materialism, unobtainable beauty standards, photoshopping etc it's causing such problems for people's mental health and needs to be called out more

[@emilycasper-kelley7118]

High key just love listening to you talk

[@AshleyFan2211]

I was very surprised by this video :D I love that you addressed the problems with unattainable beauty standards and the promotion of consumerism, I never knew I needed this video, but it really reminded me of some issues I completly disregarded in this context. Thank you!

[@l.pmoonstone5067]

When I hear Sugar bear I think of honey boo boo

[@KlaudiaErszebeth]

JKissa! She's the one who doesn't use foundation and is cruelty free. She's amaaaaazing!

[@aliendaniela]

Top 10 Anime Crossovers (Also love your take on the subject, added a lot more than most people commenting on it)

[@JaneDoe-he6bi]

Swayze you're killing me. I voted James and Tati drama too but I didn't expect you'd actually cover it. It was a great morning for me.

[@JaneDoe-he6bi]

Also, you were looking for the name Jkissa. Lol.

[@LCx829]

Just when you thought the vegan community had tons of drama here comes the beauty community fighting over vitamins. 😝 if you want to watch a makeup channel and learn-Lisa Eldridge or Wayne Goss.

[@tkps]

Wayne Goss is the only one I watch. He gives great tips to us oldies on how to sort out various oldie problems.

[@SquishyRogue]

I was real happy to hear you namedrop hotforfood. My favourite recipe channel

[@melaniewilliams1351]

For anyone in the comments looking for another makeup/beauty channel to watch, I want to direct you to pixiwoo (Sam and Nic Chapman, creators of the real techniques brand). They are mature, gorgeous women who are highly talented, professionally trained makeup artists.

[@hanzib31]

Yes! They're like the OG beauty channel, in my opinion. And they haven't changed too much over the years either. They're not overly showy and in your face.

[@UnnaturalVegan]

Yes! Totally forgot about them! Wonderful tutorials. Love the vid on breast reduction, too.

[@AzjatyckiCukier]

I don't agree with the assumption that somehow in current day and age people don't know about photoshop and face-tuning. Even if I post a totally un-touched makeup free selfie, I still get accused on the regular for re-thouching and having cosmetic work done. It's to the point, where I start to think that people forgot that things like naturally full lips exists and not everyone who has them had injections. If anything, I think we all assume all people in the beauty community had some work done and do some level of retouching.

[@PeaceOfMake]

It's not just about knowing. It's about setting a standard where you have to use it in order to fit in. Also, a teenager can't really be aware of what can be done when you pay someone 200+ dollars just to photoshop one picture of you.

[@onebraincellleft2563]

Safiya ngyaard is one of the few major youtubers who is not problematic! She’s drama free!!! ❤️

[@idonotknow8503]

She buys a lot of cheap crap for her videos. Is there someone who has something to say or to do instead of buying and destroying stuff?

[@justme-et3sr]

I mean, she doesn't always buy cheap stuff, but when she does, she tries her best to be unbiased and truthful about her opinion

[@FlyingSoloSV]

I agree her personality is chill and fun, but yeah, her videos are extremely wasteful more often than not. Also, she isn't vegan which is a problem because she is a big influence with big potential. I'm not saying everyone has to be perfect from a waste perspective. However, quite a few videos are based on these cheap brands or ads or whatever, where things cost $2 and they directly support the systems of cheap and exploited labor to produce this junk to sell to consumers who dont give a shit. I like that people can entertain us through KZbin and make a living from it, but when all they do is contribute to the worlds problems (omnivorism, consumerism, etc) then what's the real point?

[@reubenoddlove]

Wow that was awesome of you to touch on ACTUAL, HARD WORKING, INTEGRAL artists who use social platforms as an actual portfolio only to be over looked by an influencer with a HUGE following who happens to use makeup as the consistent thread through all their content which isn’t even real! I don’t think people understand how discouraging this is. For any creative regardless the medium to have put in all your time and energy in perfecting the craft that is more than just a clout-path to be dismissed because they don’t have any notoriety is heartbreaking. James not only heavily edits his makeup looks but also has blatantly stole from other artists. My heart goes out to the creatives who continue to persevere because this is their lifeline. This is their everything. And they have ACTUAL TALENT. You deserve all the recognition.

[@joscelinev]

the shoulder shrugs at 0:18 had me dying of laughter. 😂

[@roseakitohavok]

I watched your video on Halo Beauty when you first posted. I was so confused when it started popping up in my recommendations again a few days ago until I realised it's because of the Tati/James Charles drama xD

[@goldenpanda3x370]

I love watching multiple videos on this topic to see the interpretation of the information.

[@anotherslightlymad]

I agree on everything about the beauty community being unrealistic and toxic BUT calling a 19 year old kid a sexual predator (whose a virgin and never actually did anything none consensual) is wrong. All he is guilty of is some flirting that ALL teenagers (gay or straight) do. I never liked him either but i just think sure he needed some humbling but come on, he is not a sexual predator. If he was a straight guy or a girl no one would think anything of it but because he is gay everyone is like WE HAVE TO PROTECT STRAIGHT MEN !!! He is not a rapist or a sexual predator or using his power to convert straight men or anything. Tati's video was bunch of bullshit and she knows it and that's why its not even up anymore. Its literally just 43 year old woman telling bunch of lies to destroy this kids career over some "vitamins".

[@Alyssa-vk3lb]

Samantha Ravndahl seems like the beauty guru for the followers of this channel 😍

[@SS-yv4ro]

Alyssa Kidwell omg she’s the best!! Lol

[@Alyssa-vk3lb]

S S 5 I adore her!

[@dipschwantz1]

Enjoying your point of view here! Love that you brought up the filtering! That bothers me too. Agree with the extreme looks...the videos are fun to watch but if I need make up help I go to less popular KZbinrs that do great everyday make up. The beauty community is one of the most hateful communities on YT. ...Yet I am entertained by the drama