James Delos's last conversation with Logan - Westworld

Westworld S02E10 "The Passenger"
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[@J_C_CH]

There’s nothing more heartbreaking than being pushed away by a family member

[@__WJK__]

To nurture unacceptable habits or nature unacceptable habits...(?)...

[@elixier33]

@@__WJK__ I'm used to it

[@avigutierrez8948]

😢.

[@sashashaikh111]

@@__WJK__ that hit a nerve

[@elixier33]

Tell me about it. I know first hand what that's like,

[@olivia.mcdonald]

My favorite part is how Logan’s last words “I’m all the way down now. I can see the bottom. Do you want to see what I see?” are the same as host-James’ last words before Bernard and Elsie terminate him. It’s pretty incredible.

[@thomashemon5511]

This scene is so heartbreaking...

[@saiyanmgtow]

Fuck are you doing here...

[@hhxichikk]

I damn near cried, the actor who played Logan was so good.

[@aryanemarques2089]

Yees 😢 I mean logan was not a very good person, but seeing how his father treated him you can kind of understand why he is the way he is, I felt really sad for logan during season 2

[@titin885]

@@hhxichikk Barnes is THE ACTOR. watch him as the Darkling in shadow and bone...

[@MrBroken030]

"William mah boy" he clearly chose his son in law over Logan

[@__WJK__]

Not for lack of clear and obvious reasons...

[@namedrop721]

And that was the plan.

[@yungboner6928]

@@__WJK__ logan>>>willaim

[@Jordanvilain-115]

I just noticed that the whiskey bottle logan is drinking from is the same one william brings to the james delos host

[@adinicic4259]

Also during the scene with Ford and Man in Black in the saloon. Think its just generic prop they use all the time.

[@alyssagarcia8052]

😮 i hadnt noticed that either. Ive watched both seasons over 6 times. Damn. There is still more to catch.

[@Jordanvilain-115]

@@alyssagarcia8052 your welcome

[@Evangelionlovr]

Someone on the crew likes Balveine

[@namedrop721]

That’s my very favorite thing about this season. It’s the musical chairs whiskey plot pointer.

[@saltnugget]

Westworld hired the best British actors love it

[@Epsa_]

So true, in Ozark I would’ve never in a million years guessed he was Scottish.

[@Arzun91]

Last time I saw him he was chasing Harry Potter

[@Rejukem]

@@Arzun91 I just found out he was that character today. Until I looked up his name from watching Ozark I didn't know he was in Trainspotting either.

[@kazbrekker8550]

This moment perfectly exemplifies the moral hypocrisy to which we cling and we convince ourselves to believe, he told his son that he would be by his side no matter what, but at the moment when he needed it the most, he turned his back on his beloved son

[@shanehughes3511]

Many parents make the same mistakes. He believed if he went hard on him and denied him the extravagant lifestyle he always knew he would eventually wise up, get clean and realise to be a good son and brother he had to be clean. But Delos underestimated how much his son was suffering internally. You can see at the end he was feeling horrid for him but felt it wasn't real and that he was still trying to guilt him. Delos had no idea of the mental suffering occurring inside Logan after what happened in the park and knowing what monster was married to his sister. Of course the same monster would mentally torture his sister 30 years later, taking her life too. Man in black/William is repsonosbke for the Delos family dying off. Cemented with him killing the heir his own daughter.

[@MetalMadness_00]

Shane Hughes u can argue that William becoming the monster was Logan’s fault

[@mariacamilaperezortiz282]

​@@MetalMadness_00 Although Logan play a part in the role of William, I believe he was already like that, he just needed an excuse to fully become, even if he wasn't aware of that, until he became.

[@MetalMadness_00]

María Camila Pérez Ortiz maybe ur right Logan did commend him for his new persona but still I think he genuinely believed he wasn’t the corporate scumbag he is now at first

[@mariacamilaperezortiz282]

@@MetalMadness_00 Yes, I think he said it himself to his wife, he didn't knew before the park.

[@upanddowntwice1]

This season actually seems to foreshadow season 3 somewhat imo, where a system predicts how someone's life will play out and dictates what they can/cannot do according to this information. In the same way, James decides his son will never get clean, and as a result doesn't help him, which means he indeed doesn't get clean. James perfectly demonstrates how society in Westworld would actually come to operate. I don't know if this was intended but it feels that way.

[@avigutierrez8948]

Well said🍻.

[@yustformusic]

@@rv2167 i think suffering is very personal and subjective. Ones entire life and being determines how we suffer and how we perceive it. To determine how a being suffers you need to be the being. I don't think we can determine how a host or any other being would suffer and how it would compare to our suffering.

[@kdpowers]

After last week, humans with grim outlooks are all the way down now. They can now see the bottom.

[@robbone4]

It was intended and set up. It all tied into when we're told humans are simple and just so many lines of code. Then Season 3, Rehoboam maps out the code.

[@alexfahey3731]

Terrible way to treat your son.. Season 3 seemed to be a prelude to something much bigger season 4 will be huge and much different 2 timelines again please take us back

[@mafiabrett]

I love Logans character development in the show. Potential spoilers below.. The earliest scene in the timeline we see of him is the business meetings he undertook with Argos, back then he was a brilliant businessman and William was the one who seemed like he didn't care. He saw something that both James Delos and William were to blind to originally see, the potential of Westworld and Its technology. Later while in the park, after it's implied Logan had visited multiple times before bringing William. You can tell Logan had started to develop a more wild side... but as the days continue with William, the roles reverse and William dives into madness falling into the allure of the park with Logan now being the sane one. After the humiliation and depravity suffered because of William dragging him around like a dog, leaving him at the far edge of the park naked and dehydrated.. he then becomes a laughing stock to his father and falls out of favor. This leads to the final development for Logan, after the park he gets cut from the business, falls deep into substance abuse, kicked out of the home and cut off completely by his family. It's a sad story.

[@bsaintnyc]

He was also correct in assessing what the Delos organization was doing made human extinction inevitable. Solomon and Rehobam saw this too.

[@titin885]

I can't get over what an amazing actor Barnes is!!!

[@ischeele7203]

2:02 He knew something was different that time, you can see it in his face. But he'd given his terms aloud and the pride that made him a great businessman helped push his son even deeper.

[@NoriMori1992]

"I'll give you money when you get clean!" *gets clean* "Well, it won't last, so you still don't get any money!" *falls off the wagon* "See?! It didn't last!" Talk about a self-fulfilling prophecy…

[@ajaxdgonzo7263]

When Logan says “ I can see the bottom and you wanna see what I see?” I think it’s literal for when he had to touch the bottom of the pool and he was looking up to his father for help, but he just looked down on him.

[@Chutneybhai]

Personally I thought he was referring to hitting rock bottom in his life. He is out of options, nobody trusts nor believes in him, he’s falling back into darkness (his addiction) and he’s about to hit rock bottom. I think he’s telling his father that he has nowhere else to go, no one to go to, and he’s at the end of his rope. He’s telling his father, don’t you wanna know what it’s like to hit rock bottom? Please I need your help.

[@ajaxdgonzo7263]

@@Chutneybhai It was written so well, that theres probably a few ways to interpret it

[@Chutneybhai]

Ajax D Gonzo oh yeah for sure! That’s what I love about this show

[@aryanemarques2089]

@@Chutneybhai yes I interpreted it the same way you did, even though he was not a very nice person I'm feeling so sad for logan, he was basically screaming help and his father didn't help him nor anyone

[@ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked]

It's very clear and obvious. Westworld, or more accurately Jonathan Nolan (the creator) isn't very subtle. He tries to hide messages under pseudo-intellectual dialogue, but it should be obvious to anyone what was meant.

[@antin86]

This scene is so damned depressing and bleak. “I can see the bottom now.” He is close enough to the end of his trajectory as an addict that, in a state of powerless disrepair, he can see his impending overdose and lack of recourse to swerve away from it. Then his dad does nothing to help shift that course, and later has to live with it.

[@aslhnkls978]

Oh my baby logan... with his puppy eyes

[@ProudRich]

Logan gibiler için William gibi efendi insanları üzdünüz. Sonra vay efendim niye siyah şapka taktı :)

[@aryanemarques2089]

Yes I'm feeling so sad for him

[@robertpadilla4282]

“Don’t you wanna see what I see?”

[@dragonfox2399]

I wonder what he saw

[@robertpadilla4282]

@@dragonfox2399 pure darkness and emptiness I’m sure

[@dragonfox2399]

@@robertpadilla4282 maybe, or maybe something worse

[@yoshikagekira2838]

He saw Frank Castle ☠

[@olivia.mcdonald]

Not everyone referring to Ben as “the actor who played Logan” 😭

[@gagerouane7422]

James's greatest failing and great character work. Love the writing. He believes that everyone should be able to fix their problems themselves like he has. He is in so much denial he believes he will live forever and overcome his own disease. He fails to understand, everyone, like his son, require help at some point. James doesn't respect/and is also in denial about Logan's 'addiction' problem. Feeling, he did it to himself and Logan did, but his son is asking for help to get clean. I believe Logan could have stayed clean with help. So he rejects his natural born son and 'adopts' William, his son in law. William earns some of James's respect, James understands that William will do what must be done in business. He sees himself in William. Both are capable, ambitious, ruthless and will do anything to win. When James is discovers William's true ruthlessness, using James as a Lazarus experiment to make people live forever. He cries out to his real son, Logan. James can defeat William with Logan's help. James reached the bottom and searches for Logan, thinking: his son must have saved himself because his addictions were not truly a problem and all problems can be defeated. But his son is next to him in the depths, dead. Only William is there to pull him up but he will not reach out to help James, they are too much alike. So, in his death, James repeats Logan's last line. "I'm all the way down now, I can see the bottom." They are there together. I guess it's lonely at the top (bottom)

[@maedehtahmouri3728]

“Don’t you wanna see what I see?” Have you noticed this was the last thing james delos said to Elsie when Bernard and Elsie finally killed him. I think everyone in real life has a cornerstone too not just the hosts and for James Delos was his son. Can you find your cornerstone?

[@thyop89]

Jeeez, logan is heartbreaking in this scene. Ben Barnes was phenomenal in Westworld. Logan truly was an asshole but Ben somehow also made him the most human thing about the show

[@amandad6104]

Best scene. I love watching Ben

[@Ozanpriv1989]

You made so much mistakes in the past. And then you realized and wanted to change everything. Tried to be a good person, learned from your own mistakes. You were alone, you know what emptyness is. You imagined a rainbow under the dark sky. You dissapointed everyone and they dont believe you anymore not because of who you may become because of who you were. There is no faith for you inside of those who you love. Then the only person who would help you, chooses not to. So you start falling into the hands of darkness again. Because it is the only thing familiar. Only thing accepts you. Like a dark well which throws out bruce wayne and makes him stronger but pulls you in and makes you weaker

[@avigutierrez8948]

👍🏻🙏🥂.

[@whitestone83]

Hey Ozan. I have to wonder. The words you wrote are words I know, because I have lived them. I wonder if you know those words personally too. They represent a darkness and hopelessness I have experienced that only plunged me deeper. I hope you are well. I almost lost it all. All the things that were most precious to me at least. Perhaps even my life. God only knows how close I was. My Father in heaven never gave up on me. His love sustained me and filled me with hope and strength to endure after I had given up on myself. Have you found that strength Ozan? I wish you the best.

[@Giothegentle]

“Don’t you want to see what I see?” I can’t stop thinking about this question all week. I like when James Delos says the same thing before his final version is burned. On a side note, Ramin Djawadi’s motif in this scene reminds me a lot of the Red Woman’s (Melisandre) motif in Game of Thrones!

[@antoniovasquez9946]

Logan was the true visionary.

[@sarahharrisginge736]

This makes me sad. My dad said almost the exact thing when i got clean. They'll never think you're strong enough, and, until you're gone, they wont realise tough love doesn't always work

[@ShowToJane]

Your life is too precious to waste proving them wrong.

[@cb7235]

Anyone who’s ever experienced this knows how heartbreaking this scene is

[@nicobenji0248]

Coming back to this after learning about insight is freaky. I think that's the AI that predicts everything trying to maintain control talking to Dolores and Bernard.

[@writershard5065]

Absolutely. The idea of humans not changing is reflected perfectly in how Rehoboam's system works in the real world, and Caleb is being built up to be a clear rebuttal to that.

[@crazytrain111]

I think they’re different AIs. The insight AI didn’t have a lot of the park data

[@mickymickymike4105]

After the conversation, Logan tapped into an innate ability he didn’t know he had and created the fold.

[@boredstrayingtheinternet2557]

"Fathers, do not embitter your children, or they will become discouraged." Colossians 3.21

[@CaptainPeenNoPants]

Just lost a friend to a overdose not to long ago shot hits home

[@__WJK__]

Sorry for your loss... unfortunately, there's not much anyone can say or do that will ever change things back to how they once were. Substance abuse is a complicated and multifaceted issue that cannot be made better without deep psychological, emotional and nutritional help/support and even then, the road to recovery often remains a struggle...

[@Balnazzardi]

@@__WJK__ Ye, people who are addicted and have much everything else fucked up in their lives really need lot of help and its very long and hard road to full recovery....if people push them away like James Delos did here to his son, then they are ofc far less likely to make it

[@SomeAHole]

My brother has been a recovering addict for a year and I haven't seen him since because he's in another part of the country. This hits hard for me too.

[@DhilipNexus]

@@SomeAHole sorry. addicted to what drug

[@aquariusrajput]

So the lines where delos say i am all the way down, i can see the bottom, do you want to see what i see, there was only ever the devil. When you look up from the bottom. It was just his reflection, laughing back down at you...it comes back to this iconic scene..bravo westworld

[@xKalamity]

Gonna tell my kids this was Kendall and Logan Roy

[@olliee2353]

they're pretty much the same people tbh

[@_AFO]

Gold comment 😂

[@pdog109]

Watching Season 3 this scene makes it all fit.

[@FablesOutofSpace]

In what way exactly?

[@pdog109]

@@FablesOutofSpace Logan is saying that he gave Delos a million different scenarios but it always brought him to this spot saying he is in his loop and does not deviate from it. Now deleors showed everyones profile and showed them their loopm

[@FablesOutofSpace]

@@pdog109 damn thats good point, that scene in the last episode was amazing, the music, the scenery damn!

[@kdpowers]

murat karakuş humans are all the way down now. They can see the bottom.

[@rowansebastiangray3290]

Heartbreaking and Ben at his finest! My poor boy Logan 😢 Subtitles are funny though. Dah dah? 😂 He says "did I?" in his strong Scottish accent

[@2905sid]

Are you talking about the line "It didn't, did it?"

[@sepidehaurora.d279]

Only Ben Barnes♥

[@birdlaw1019]

I remember my father stepping on my hands as I tried to grasp the edges of the pool. Anyone else have a Father like Delos?

[@__WJK__]

Not a father or mother like Delos but fond memories of an "old school" baby sitter in her 60's named "cookie" who taught my siblings and I how to swim by tossing us in the deep end of her pool, where we learned to "sink or swim" ... literally! That being said (and to quote Delos) I didn't turn out like a f'n junkie either ;)

[@birdlaw1019]

@@__WJK__ The lady doth protest too much, methinks ;)

[@birdlaw1019]

@wolfbitch83 I worked as a lifeguard for 6 years, it made me a strong swimmer, but it's still a dick move when your kid is 6 years old.

[@elxaime]

That shit happens. I was thrown into the deep end at of the pool at age seven and floundered while my father and older male relatives laughed.

[@lking1540]

The same, it sucks but the world is cold and hard.

[@KULCAT79]

I always come backk to this scene cause im right there. I dont know how much longer

[@umutelmas17]

Stay strong my friend , everything gets better with time. It wont make u feel as bad as it does now

[@talkaboutwacky]

This feels like a Westworld version of A Christmas Carol

[@anthonyt219]

Tough love is just being lazy, heartless, and selfish.

[@user-wy1et9dk9w]

Dealing with someone you love having an addiction is a fucking hard thing to deal with. Delos may have been a prick and even contributed to the overdose but its hard to know when you're helping or hurting, what the lies are and aren't.

[@Juel92]

One of my favorite scenes of all time in anything ever.

[@MetalSword106]

Amazing performance by Ridley Scott

[@DrLelantos]

"And I didn't end up a fuckin junkie did I" - Said Swanny from Trainspotting

[@halea41]

This issue of libertarian free will is such an interesting topic. The show clearly adheres to a deterministic worldview, which implies that humans are no different from the hosts. Just acting out their codes.

[@kernalfleak]

I think it kinda does the opposite too. Giving the idea of free will to the hosts. Perhaps the two are the same thing, just viewed from different perspectives.

[@deeobrien5417]

What a crushing performance here, seeing Logan in such a different light, like we got very used to him being quite a cruel and kind of arrogant character in the first season but after what William did to him and especially after seeing what Westworld was creating and how Delos was using it really seemed to fuck him up, like you’d never think in season one to begin with that Logan would be morally superior to William in any way but by the end of season one and then for season two William really shows his true colours and surpasses any bit of cruelty Logan had in season one. Seeing this take then of Logan at the end, how he is so far down at the bottom and his father banishes him when he’s that broken and takes William (who kind of the destroyed literally the entire family; Logan, his sister, his father, and in the end his niece, the entire Delos family) in under his wing is absolutely heartbreaking. I couldn’t believe how much sympathy I had for Logan in the second season and Ben Barnes acts this character out so beautifully. Like I really missed his character after that. I feel like maybe they got rid of too many of the best characters/actors as the show went on. Though Aaron paul was an on-point addition. I still can’t wrap my head around HBO ending it with only one season left, like that story should have been allowed to come to it’s natural conclusion. Like I get not as many people tuned in and it never could match the perfection of season one but man I’ve never been more gutted to see a show be dropped as the final season of this…. Was so attached to it…

[@kdpowers]

The entire human race now says this after looking at their phones last Sunday. Dolores has seen the bottom though.

[@chandramoulisarkar2935]

So Prince Caspian turned out a junkie at the end

[@titin885]

An amazing actor as it turns out

[@PA69sodmg]

Does anyone know the name of the music that plays in the background please?

[@nah88]

Such a shame where season 3 went. The story of William and Delos completely forgotten. No Ford, No Teddy, no substance

[@namedrop721]

Ford died. Teddy opted out. Ironically you’re making the substance comment on the one scene poking fun at the audiences’ lack of understanding multiple plotlines. You’re saying you believe humans can’t change.

[@nah88]

@@namedrop721 thanks for telling me what I'm saying and what my point is. Any chance you can be my PA to help drag me through life?!

[@christiankock6245]

Human code is more complex than binary. It’s more like music. Billions of tiny organism working together with each other. It’s a symphony. And sometimes the tiniest change can make all the difference in the world.

[@tibbygreene]

This scene !! This character !!! I got caught. We all thought we knew what Logan Delos was and there, we are stunned by what we discover and by his end. Ben Barnes once again sublimated his performance. I had an idea for a fanfiction and I'm happy to write it.... Cette scène !! Ce personnage !!! Je me suis faites prendre. On pensait tous savoir ce qu'était Logan Delos et là, on est abasourdi par ce que l'on découvre et par sa fin. Ben Barnes a une fois de plus sublimé sa performance. J'ai eu une idée de fanfiction et je suis heureuse de l'écrire....

[@olliee2353]

Funny how logan could have saved the world, he was the only one who saw the danger in what the company was doing.

[@_AFO]

I always thought this would be revisited in season 5. Seeing as how I thought they were going back to where it all started maybe Logan was key to something.

[@Tezniks1]

“I’ll tell the staff to give you 5 minutes to get out....”

[@alexfahey3731]

Delos says this im all the way down now when hes cutting himself in the room hes stuck in in season 2 im all the way down now... Yes... I think humans are already hybird

[@kdpowers]

This scene became Dolores’ plan for season 3.

[@ravensghost2008]

“You wanna know what I see?” I didn’t cry. But I came close

[@nightowl8477]

Mental health and determinism.

[@avigutierrez8948]

If only William could’ve helped delos in some way something to give hope but as we learn in westworld it isn’t the case goddamn Logan was in pain and what does his dad do? Assume assume assume😔🤨damn shame half of families are a little like that (a few to the extreme).

[@digitalworld3815]

so deep :(

[@alvaradoac21]

Why couldn't they just force the host that hosted Delos' mind to skip this memory, instead of trying to "offer" pathways around it. Like an induced amnesia, or just not including the memory of him turning away his addict son?

[@theseproblemsmatter1]

"The Forge’s system takes the shape of Logan Delos-whose mind was never captured by Westworld-and he shows them just what they’re up against. Humans, he explained, are much simpler than anyone at Delos or the hosts thought; it only takes 10,247 lines of code to recreate Jim Delos. Like hosts, they’re caught in their own loop and follow their own code. And sometimes, no matter how many scenarios the system runs, some results never change. Jim Delos will always abandon Logan after the latter asks for help one last time. And as we saw at the end of the episode, William will always murder his daughter. “The best they can do is live according to their code,” the system explained. “The copies didn’t fail because they were too simple, but because they were too complicated. The truth is that a human is just a brief algorithm.”

[@sinasalemi8672]

Whats the name of the song in this scene

[@EurocorpFx]

I'm all the way down now.

[@007Fusiion]

EurocorpFx All I do is win, win, win...ah, wrong scenario

[@1RobHunter1]

God and Day of Judgement Follow the Same Rules. What moments defines you in life? Great Westworld parallel with the inmates having taken over the asylum and playing God toward - Singularity.

[@she5139]

😢

[@strouselawoffices4388]

Isn't this the same scene from "Less than Zero."

[@skybox309]

It's because of what happened in the desert when he got left there

[@rodcroft5570]

I'm curios of the background of this scene. Is this off of a lake or ocean?

[@olliee2353]

not sure, hell of a view tho!

[@mikhailabdurrachman2443]

It's problably a beach front property in California

[@jimzimmer2048]

Reminds me of Logan roy

[@patrickmchugh9366]

The Sarcastic Glaswegian is so odd to see in an American setting lol. "A didn't end up a fuckin junkie did a?"

[@user-he2pn9xn9l]

They are borrowing from the scene in "Less Than Zero."

[@_AFO]

What scene? I’m curious

[@Slymind]

In this first season, they talk about Delos' misconduct concerning some employees IIRC, not only that, but the guy is a scumbag all around. Yeah, you didn't become a junkie, but you are terrible human being regardless.

[@wynsonrao5177]

Agree. I feel bad for his children

[@LouieV6]

Jacob Snell!

[@BlackCrowOfDeath]

Luis V Cabrera shit. i just finished binging ozark and was wondering why james seemed so familiar

[@JustSean714]

It's interesting how this is a genuine cry for help, yet he doesn't explicitly cry for help. Yet, after this it still takes him 6 months to overdose. You can still get high with people who love drugs and don't care for you, who will leave you dead and gone. You can pretend to have fun with these people who are worthy of extermination. These people who plague our cities and nothing is done about them. If only people lived in fear - proud drug addicts separated from the shameful. Indifferent drug addicts from those who hide their eyes - then we'll come closer to peace.

[@namedrop721]

You sound like the people who try to sort out the ‘deserving’ poor….

[@JustSean714]

@@namedrop721 you mean judge properly instead of justifying my experience as valid thus omitting the golden rule to society's ultimate decay?

[@moonlightfitz]

😭

[@DSkehan2004]

What wouldn’t last?

[@thyop89]

He meant Logan's sobriety. He pushed him away because he didn't believe that his son had the will power to stay off drugs. Ironically, his father's rejection and the lack of faith in that moment were probably some of the biggest contributing factors in his relapse.

[@user-lh9pm9lq7b]

Can anyone explain me what this scene truly means?

[@VaurTek]

This scene is several things at the same time. First of all its the end of logan arc. It showed what happened to Logan after he left the park. It also show who James Delos really is. In a later scene Delos state that he would do anything for his son, which turned out to be a lie, since he wouldn't help his son in his last moment with him. Most importantly it serves as an example that in the show, humans don't make decisions, they don't make choices. Delos would repeat this moment with his son in every single scenarios the forge created for him. Proving that humans do not deviate from the algorithm they are made of. Humans think they can make their own choice, but its an illusion.

[@VaurTek]

@@awadheshv7892 There is indeed an assumption that the version we finally saw being tested after that scene are the definite one. Which is safe to assume because if those version are being much tested in details rather than through the scenario the Forge make them go through. (Conversation with William, the time of James Delos in the park, his final moment with his son). Only Then the forge would go into further details by interrogating them. In the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter though.

[@hughtwist6927]

@@awadheshv7892 see the cinema mode in that scene? it's in the data test world over a million times testings. But once he is printed in the real world, the copies deny liveing for a longer lifetime

[@davidwu8966]

why is no-one pointing out the real focus of this scene: what the fuck is that fork at 0:12?

[@ukaszpietrzyk7892]

A super fancy one lmao

[@Player_468]

Guys i dont understand how logan died by overdose ? He didin't died in desert ? wich timeline is that ?

[@SupportGamin2024]

Oh my fucking!!! It's not that damn fucking hard to understand,the desert scene happened before Logan died,he was rescued from the park,he became depressed and a junkie because of the things William did to him in the park and having his father's attention taken away from him.

[@Balnazzardi]

@@SupportGamin2024 Ye its not really that hard to understand....William essentially became the son James Delos wanted and what Logan wasnt....you could see that Logan was troubled man even before what William did to him the park and after.

[@sefaaydemir8657]

@@SupportGamin2024 That doesn't add up at all. What do you mean he was rescued? How did William survive Logan's return then? How did Logan NOT go after William? This scene just proves that people THINK he overdosed, when in reality he was abandoned and therefore killed by William.

[@mpete0273]

@@sefaaydemir8657 Nah he was also at the party in real life where Delores was playing piano. That was after he was rescued from the desert because he made a comment about Delores being familiar and that the park was a bad idea (his experience with William changed his view of the park)

[@elizabethteeling4297]

I like too say this is false storyline with Logan and is father and this is about dr ford storyline tilling is story

[@dragonfox2399]

Wonder what he saw at the bottom

[@WinchesterxNL]

His dad, looking down at him.

[@dragonfox2399]

Either that or something worse

[@WinchesterxNL]

His dad always looked down on him, never was there for his own son, so when he reached the bottom, he once again, saw his dad looking down on him. Logan called his father out in a last attempt. But his father chose to walk away once again.

[@yahu5988]

What are they talking about? Why does the guy look the same as the guy at the pool

[@Digmer]

is a simulation, none of them are really there. the father son talk is a memory, and the guy is an AI that is explaining the whole thing. the blonde and the black guy are visitors on that place.

[@SupportGamin2024]

@Ja Hu watch the show dumbass

[@SupportGamin2024]

@@Digmer it's clear neither of you watch this show,the blonde's name is Dolores and the black guy's name is bernard,watch the show then come back and comment.

[@SupportGamin2024]

@Harrison Stott there are ways to explain it better than oh it's a black guy and blonde.

[@radwanmouzahem3618]

@@SupportGamin2024 shut the fuck up

[@__WJK__]

To nurture or nature unacceptable habits…(?)…

[@birdlaw1019]

If that is a question, it is poorly phrased.

[@rahulsirugudi]

I didn't understand one thing Logan overdosed after 6 months. But what about Logan which showed in S2 e8 kiksuya?

[@Octavarium666xyz]

I saw S2 two years ago but I'd assume Kiksuya found him when William send him away naked on a horse at the edge of the park.

[@Balnazzardi]

@@Octavarium666xyz ye that whole thing happened years before the current events. And way before Logan overdosed

[@SupportGamin2024]

What the point of this stupid comment logan being found by akechta in s2 ep8 was before he died. Common sense!!!!

[@SupportGamin2024]

@@Octavarium666xyz that's exactly what happened,it shouldn't take explaining,it should be common sense

[@maedehtahmouri3728]

When William and Logan went to the park do u remember what happend at the end? William made him naked and rode the horse to the desert. Then he was found by staff of the park and 6 month later after they’re visit to park he overdosed

[@drsotaku3990]

Serie cancelada.

[@mikhailabdurrachman2443]

No mas westworld 😑

[@corkus]

There's not much you can do with junkies. You try help them, they drag you down with them.

[@emrebilol1498]

Scene is good very good.. but whole main idea of season 2 sucks and bad written :7