JAMES GUNN Shares His Opinion on Differences Between MARVEL and the DCU

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James Gunn (Co-CEO of DC Studios) returns to the pod this week to talk about his takeover of the new DC content slate, the differences between DC and Marvel, and all the pressure that comes with creating a new Superman film. James goes back and discusses the impact that creating Guardians of the Galaxy had on his career and how ‘allowing himself to give a s***’ was a large catalyst to its success. We also talk about embarrassing Chris Pratt moments, whether or not there are too many superhero films, and the future of Superman’s bald headed villain.
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JAMES GUNN Shares His Opinion on Differences Between MARVEL and the DCU #insideofyou #jamesgunn #mcu #dcu

[@cheesydawg371]

He perfectly understands the difference between these universes. Marvel is our world with superheroes whilst DC is is a completely alternate world. Gunn understanding that fundamental difference is gonna benefit the DCU so well.

[@krane15]

Marvel is more believable. DC is a fantasy.

[@halobebe6151]

Agreed

[@joseabreu-nn5cu]

Always has been. Only normies dont know this

[@cheesydawg371]

@@eqwalle4884 not really. What I was getting at is that Marvel has characters that exist in New York, New Jersey, California, Canada, etc. Rarely do characters exist in fictional cities like Batman in Gotham. And Gotham is more than just a name because it has Gothic and strange looking architecture in lots of stories, very different from how Marvel's NYC is basically just the same as it is in real life with a few buildings changed.

[@antona.1327]

Neither he or you understands anything. Marvel and DC both have fictional cities and even countries as part of the world geography as well as alternate takes on history. Thor in the comics was an actual god who once witnessed the famed slaughter of the Christian priests at the British Isle by the Vikings, which made him renounce pagan worship after that, and Captain America helped to win WW2. Granted, that's is the comics; the MCU never delved into any of that beyond the obvious stuff with Cap. This guy's problem isn't that he misunderstands the differences, or lack of thereof, between both universes. This guy's problem is that he can't write a character who isn't just a mouthpiece for his own obscene sense of humor. Everyone has to be an 4ss-clown.

[@ClaireSunshine]

A proper Superman fan heading up a DC universe gives me hope for this to actually work out

[@redrick8900]

A proper Superman fan would know that Clark Kent and Superman are not different characters.

[@dignerds]

@@redrick8900 I was just going to say the same thing.

[@spencergsmith]

The fact that he says the 1978 Superman film is his favorite DC film gives me hope for his DCU plans.

[@Dikbeeg]

Its the only good superman live action movie

[@spencergsmith]

@@Dikbeeg I still love Superman II (especially the Donner cut), and Returns had some great moments, it just fell flat as a whole.

[@mikerotonda6264]

EXACTLY

[@Dikbeeg]

@@atrain9610 man of steel is the worst one .

[@Dikbeeg]

@@atrain9610 says the 12 yr old virgin who cuts himself to feel needed while watching toilet movies

[@Kulilin420]

James mentioning Star City immediately after Gotham and Metropolis gives me so much hope for the Green Lantern projects coming up

[@johnmacleod2487]

Agreed Another good sign, Central City seemed to slip his mind

[@AbielsVlogs]

GL is from Coast city

[@Kulilin420]

@@AbielsVlogs Ah fuck wrong Green person, my b lol must've been hig

[@logan4185]

He also mentioned bludheavn. NIGHTWING

[@storiesmadegreat1232]

@@logan4185 and considering damian is going to be robin hopefully Nightwing will show up in the brave and the bold

[@BooN877]

Miles Morales in the comics was very well done but needed a little fine tuning. Into the Spider-Verse not only perfected that story but it expanded on it and included so many characters and added elements that somehow worked seamlessly together. Calling it a perfect superhero film is not overstating it.

[@PogueSquadron]

It’s a great film. I do prefer these characters’ origins not be tied to multiverse stuff though. I think it kind of takes away from their individual stories.

[@afd1040]

@@PogueSquadron I agree but with miles I think it benefits miles

[@alphanerd7221]

It's crap.

[@funguy8801]

Multiverse sucks. It devalues the importance of each so called "reality" negating events within each "version" of the character. It's an incredibly nihilistic philosophy and very deliberately by design. James Gunn is just a puppet for that agenda.

[@t-virusterrance4734]

He was never well done in the comics, stop cappin, clown. The animated movies did a much better job with Miles Morales. TERRANCE OUT

[@ozoak]

I love the quiet "you did a better job". I love Hackman, but agree with Gunn here - maybe it's as a result of having more time to fill out the character afforded by a series than a film, but regardless, he's right.

[@Dikbeeg]

Hackman was the funniest but michal was better

[@bell110]

I agree. I love Hackman too, but looking back, it's just too camp. Like comparing Romero's Joker with Ledger or Phoenix.

[@krane15]

Hackman was a terrible Lex Luther. He referred to himself as a genius. He should have just showen us. Kevin Spacey was much better. Truly evil.

[@fnsmike]

Hackman also has the disadvantage that when he was making his first appearance as Lex Luthor, the source character wasn't nearly as interesting or complex as he is now. in '78 Luthor was still a cliched genius mad scientist with a grudge, not the billionaire industrialist with political ambitions he became later. Still, Michael is my favorite live action Luthor and right behind Clancy Brown overall.

[@billymoore7182]

Growing up, Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man have always been my favorites. But I've always been more of a DC fan than a Marvel fan. Mainly because of James Gunn's reasons. It's more fantasy and there's a lot more in DC than Marvel.

[@elijahkems602]

I think everyone knows the OG superhero is Superman

[@billymoore7182]

He's not the most popular. But yes, he's considered the world's greatest superhero.

[@thehairygull]

I have always loved Batman, how the hell can you not. They have done a lot of good stand alone Batman movies but have not been able to integrate the Bat appropriately with his friends yet. I hope they’ll be able to bridge that gap because there really is a different tone to Batman comics and stories that movies like The Dark Knight and The Batman in its own right just nailed right out of the gate. Yea this is Batman’s world for sure - you feel it in your bones you can’t fake it. Just like Deadpool or Wolverine - juxtaposing campy Marvel Humor against them feels out of place and going over the top dark like they tried with Batfleck feels too forced. It does take nuance like James said but just that world alone bridging that world to Superman or the other characters does feel harder than Marvel just for those reasons. I’m praying boys and girls.

[@stewartisan213]

James is the man. Loved his stuff with the MCU but if anyone is going to save DC movies it will be Gunn. He understands the characters and source material.

[@jingleballs9935]

I agree. He actually seems like a fan.

[@LaneTheBrane]

Actually he doesn't! Never read a comic in his life but you bought the lie

[@ahteshamzahid6350]

@@LaneTheBraneyou misunderstood Snyder with Gunn

[@jowlowlowlow]

​@@LaneTheBraneresearch more. 😅

[@chino19963]

@@LaneTheBraneyou can hate on gunn but lying that he’s never read a comic when he put extremely unknown characters and makes them work in movies just shows that you’re a pathetic clown 🤡 😂

[@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache]

One thing that bothers me with the MCU fans is when people say "but this doesn't fit with the MCU tone". Like one reason people say that the Netflix shows aren't in the MCU is because it has a darker tone to it, and they don't find it believable that this could exist in the same universe as the Avengers. Meanwhile they can accept that the Guardians and Thor exist in the same universe as Iron Man and Captain America, despite the former being more comedic and lighter in tone than the latter. In the comics themselves Spider-Man can have a darker stories compared to other comics, and other times it could be more lighter than others as well. Like Batman and Superman don't share the same tone for their own comics, but when they are together in a Justice League comic it doesn't feel jarring. Why can't people believe that Daredevil can exist in the same world as Spider-Man? It just frustrates me that people can't accept that a lighter and darker story can exist in the same universe.

[@saeres9288]

thank you! i agree 100 percent!!

[@godofthecripples1237]

Which is why I'm glad the Defenders saga is now being treated as hard canon, as Marvel's at its best when it's embracing a variety of tones.

[@eboethrasher]

People have a closed mind for their personal head canon.

[@jaylenjayden9305]

@@eboethrasherseriously

[@AlbertBalbastreMorte]

I watched Daredevil after a buttload intake of MCU movies and thought 'my God, this is what you can achieve with a difference in tone! We need moar tone changes!'

[@jeanpaulmedellin]

Say what you will about the MCU, but they gave a spin to characters that nobody cared about before, they became huge, and while different from their comic counterpart, they retained their essence. Fingers crossed James can do his thing with DC, we need a proper DCU to have a good time at the cinema.

[@xxxCrackerJack501xxx]

I'm really loving everything he's saying DC should have done something like this from the start instead of throwing everything in a blender right out the gate like they did to compete with the Avengers, I'm extremely optimistic albeit with a heavy dose of caution

[@StuckonStupid84]

I wouldn't say they threw it in the blender right away. I'd say that happened after Snyder's plan fell apart. And yeah, not everyone liked that plan, but at least it was a plan.

[@xxxCrackerJack501xxx]

@@StuckonStupid84 I say they threw everything in a blender because BvS: Dawn of Justice (only the second film overall in the planned DCEU) had a several minute long scene of Diana essentially watching teaser trailers for the other Justice League members instead of them getting all their own movies as a slow build up like the MCU did leading up to Avengers. Only Wonder Woman and Superman had their own solo films to flesh them out before they moved straight into the big team-up film which required Zack Snyder's cut of Justice League (which I personally love) to be over 4 hours long to accommodate everyone or we get the Joss Whedon butchered version being a slapped together mess where no character really has time to shine, I appreciated Snyder's vision of the DCEU but I still think the best way to tell that overall story would have been pacing it out slower and building it up with more standalone films

[@moonknight4053]

The mcu is horrendous fam, about 90% of the movies are baaaaad.

[@xxxCrackerJack501xxx]

@@moonknight4053 the MCU has completely gone over the edge of terrible but that first phase (arguably the first two or _maybe_ three phases even) were well-paced, consistently written, and overall enjoyable films despite being very similar to each other. Plus even if the entirety of the MCU was trash from the start it doesn't diminish what I said about the DCEU making short-sighted mistakes to compete with the success Avengers had that ultimately doomed them. James Gunn has the right idea, quality over quantity and giving the teams in charge creative freedom to tell a variety of different stories with varied tones/genres

[@StuckonStupid84]

@@xxxCrackerJack501xxx If I remember correctly, stand alone films were planned after the first justice league, (which we sort of got) almost like the first JL was just a sneak peek of what was to come, and the characters were going to be fleshed out some more in their own films before JL 2 and 3 happened. But that is just what I think the plan was from what I have read.

[@joncarroll2040]

As a Luthor fan, I love that Rosenbaum has a Hackman signature on his studio wall.

[@lex_rodriguez]

So basically his ranking is: 1. Into the Spider-Verse 2. Superman: The Movie 3. Deadpool 4. Iron Man Truly amazing to not see someone cream over a Batman movie. James gets it - and understands tone better than writers out there.

[@Sunderstate]

This channel is absolutely amazing! Thanks Mr.Luthor, Sir 🙏🏻

[@noblesix4241]

You mean the Flash?

[@tmrevenge]

His name is Wally

[@logan4185]

Him mentioning blushes rn makes me gitty happy bruh NIGHTWINGGGG

[@Danex1_]

i hope he gives dc what it deserves they have so many great characters and stories but i just havent seen it be done on the big screen. nightwing is my fav character of all time i cant wait for him to bring the bat family to life like we have never seen before

[@snack_bar2474]

I love that he considers comic books “Fantasy.”

[@nathannemeth4094]

I think The Amazing Spiderman 2 felt like DC version of a Marvel movie.

[@mohamedfawzy5843]

Yeah it had many dark and serious moments especially the Gwen Stacy's death that was so shocking for fans at the time they saw it in theaters like who could think that Marvel are brave enough to Kill a character in a very dark way without getting it back to life like I felt at first that Gwen Stacy was unconscious and was going to get up to life to hug Peter Parker at the end.

[@Dikbeeg]

It had dark moments but was horribly written yeah its like a DCEU snyder movie

[@nathannemeth4094]

@@Dikbeeg yes adding Snyder’s name probably makes that more accurate.

[@PandamanTube]

Tried to be edgy without substance, crap villain by a great actor, takes itself to seriously? Yeah that's Sony trying to ape Snyder's dumbass

[@michaeljosephjackson2364]

Dude marvel had darker themes like punisher and wolverine Superman is the lightest character in whole fiction

[@AlexSzandorLavey]

I have complete and unbreakable trust in James Gunn's vision. I have followed him since his Dawn of the Dead screen play and his masterful film Slither. I even jumped out of my seat when I saw his cameo on Holloston. The man just understands and respects the craft of storytelling. From turning what were (at the time), C list comic book characters into a mainstream staple with Guardians, and the resurrection job he with the Suicide Squad, he's more than proven his capability. James Gunn, I will follow you anywhere. Keep making movies, and I'll keep watching them. ❤

[@tonyantonellis9983]

James Gunn really knows what he is saying. And i am having a lot of faith in him. I would love to work with James Gunn as a 3D DC comics animator.

[@cheezeofages]

"Needs to have a wider range of tones" EXACTLY. That's the main thing that's making people a bit burnt out of superhero films. All the ones with fresh tones do well.

[@LiterallyBatman1610]

As someone who is a fan of both DC and Marvel I love this because it highlights what I love about both Marvel is a story with realatble and real characters and struggles DC is this high fantasy world with New Gods and Multiverses it's grand and epic with larger than life heroes who instead of seeing yourself in them you see the person you want to become in them, Both Marvel and DC have characters who inspire us to be better but they do it in different Marvel gives us characters we can relate to to tell us that we have the capacity to be good inside us too and DC has aspirational characters, lager than life figures who makes us want to be a good who are symbols for doing the right thing in a cynical world. So Snyder's take whilst interesting turned these figures into dark, gritty anti heroes which is why I didn't really like it. Superman is not a otherworldly god, he isn't a jesus allegory he at his heart is just a simple boy from Kansas who does the right thing because it's right because he was raised to do what's right by two incredible people.

[@incredibilistic]

With all due respect, you really should re-read your comment before posting it for accuracy, clarity and brevity. For starters you used the term "larger than life" more than once but after building up DC characters you ended your consciousness of thought with a contradiction by saying that Superman is just a "simple boy from Kansas." Also, both franchises offer characters that could be classified as "larger than life." Obviously Superman and Wonder Woman represent that very well but so do characters like Silver Surfer, Thor and Black Panther. I'm also not sure I'd quantify or encapsulate Marvel heroes as only being able to see yourself in them and DC characters being something you aspire to. Does anyone aspire to be Batman? Does anyone aspire to witnessing the cold-blooded murder of their parents as a child, isolating themselves to a cave with computers and bats or stalk the city streets every night from a belfry tower? I'd argue that Marvel's done a better job at making characters that people can relate to and aspire to be, which is largely why their films have been way more successful than DC. That doesn't mean that DC heroes aren't figures to be looked up to or aspire to be but I felt the context was necessary. As a kid I always looked up to Spider-Man. His situation felt way more grounded in reality. I'd even go as far to say that Spider-Man's origin story may've inspired Groundhog Day. In the beginning they use their powers for selfish reasons but after a tragic loss they eventually use their newfound superpower for good. In the end they realize that with great power comes great responsibility. Of all the characters in comic book lore I don't think there's a more recognizable statement that applies to all accepts of life. That's something to aspire to and be inspired by.

[@LiterallyBatman1610]

@@incredibilistic Ok first of all I am the best in my class at English but I live in Asia so still not the best at english so sorry for the confusion but considering Superman what I meant to say was that he isn't a christ figure [he's an allegory for Moses if anything] it's the fact that instead of being a god he's one of us but he is more pure than us and that's why he is aspirational,so he's very much like Captain America someone who is very human, but probably the most pure of heart human in the Marvel Universe and also someone with incredible power 2ndly yeah Spider-Man is aspirational but he is somebody you aspire to be because he is somebody like you like us he's just a normal guy who still decides to keep going, to stay responsible and 3rdly I didn't say people WANTED to be Batman I said that he inspires people because he's someone who despite all the trauma he's had still keeps going, he inspires us to hold on and keep on going despite all the pain in our lives

[@dangerfly]

@@LiterallyBatman1610 Superman is a simple extraterrestrial from another planet that looks exactly like a human and can reproduce with them when chimps on the same planet can't even do that. It's the dumbest idea in the history of ideas. I hope Superman disappears forever.

[@LiterallyBatman1610]

@@dangerfly da fuck man are you okay or is this rage bait

[@cede.p.1267]

🤔uhh⁉️

[@Ianthebatmankolektor617]

Excited for Gunns dcu.😊

[@fab-freshaquaponicbiospher6335]

Recently watched guardians of galaxy 3 Loved it, gave me hope

[@pinkiewerewolf]

Guardians rules! I just watched the 1st guardians movie again last night. Gunn is a great director. I even watched the Christmas special again... that's how good he and the cast are. And The Legendary Kevin Bacon,

[@Dikbeeg]

Gunn just knows how to get to audience .hes doesnt miss

[@Hades69099]

If not predictable good answers, i think the first two iron man films are my favorite mcu films, and phase 1 in general is my favorite MCU phase. I didn't know they were planning on creating an avengers movie, so it left me with a feeling of antication "Will they are they really?" This was before leaks that confirmed what they're planning, When we see captain america's, when they find thor's hammer, it was a lot of excitement. I know it's become popular to hate on marvel and super hero films in general, but the marvel films meant a lot to me as I was growing up. They released every year as I was a teenager right around my birthday in may. So it was a lot of found memories, going to theaters with my family to celebrate. They were always A list characters to me, especially iron man. Was a pretty big fan boy for the character. I watched cartoons of him when I was small child. Tech is the best power. Every other character that has powers has limits, but with technology there are no limits. You can become as powerful as you need to be. It opens up the possibility to almost anything. It's the power I would pick every time. I know there's a lot of scare about technology, but I still think it's really good. I love it for what it allows us to become. Tony Stark and Jimmy Neutron were my biggest idols and inspiration as a kid. My favorite marvel movies? Probably the first two spider man movies or the first two x-men, it used to be the cultured and cool thing to be a marvel fan. It's was the opposite of now. They were the ones that was doing something unique and different. I think spiderman and x-men were genre defying before batman begins and the dark knight came around. They laid the ground work for Nolan's take on super heros to be taken seriously. His Batman movie was actually very marvel. That's what marvel started making comic heroes seem more possible, explaining them with sciencitic explanation. Marvel was at first an effort to make super heroes more plausible, more in the scientific realm of possibility. DC films weren't very concerned with reality. their characters were fantastical and not really trying to make much real world sense. Marvel has laxed the rule of making super heroes plausible, but it wasn't that way at first. They were doing films as a realistic take.

[@independentcomicsfan2867]

how is blue beetle the first dcu character if we still got amanda waller

[@ro6uefour50]

Shouting out Bludhaven gives me hope of seeing Nightwing in the future lol. Especially since the Robin that will be in his new Brave and the Bold Batman movie with be Damian Wayne.

[@DawidUliczny-ro7eo]

Holy cow, I never head James Gunn talking before seeing this interview and it's so uncanny how much he sounds like Sean Gunn, inflexion, tone, everything. This guy is doing self-inserts with his brother, and it's so adorable.

[@psychonaut2173]

Man loved that first answer although Marvel even in the comics still has a more cheerful tone there are stories where its pretty Grim but currently the MCU needs variety in tones.

[@Jeandiel_LJD]

James knows what he’s doing💯

[@AlbertBalbastreMorte]

Given his sense of humour, OF COURSE he would kneejerk praise Deadpool.

[@MrSpeakerboxx05]

Hey guys. You did an interview with James Gunn so that means you have a means of contacting him. Could you PLEASE PLEASE ask him to make a "Steel" movie. About the Black Man that makes the armored Superman suit and fights crime. We haven't seen an adaptation of "Steel" since Shaq did it back in the 90's. If you guys could push this idea to him, that would amazing. Thank you so much.

[@IsiahTomas]

Dark Horse and Valiant: Dark Horse: Wait, you're still here? Vaiiant: F, if I know. Poor Malibu, though. Dark Horse: Poor Malibu.

[@Jacob-jg6cd]

I really appreciate his love world building.

[@Mr379789]

I hope Lex Luthor will be played by Gustaf Skarsgard or by the guy who plays YOUNG version of Winston in "Continental" series

[@losvortex10]

Spider-Man fan since I was a kid and when I saw into the spider-verse 5 minutes into it I called somebody and said this is going to be the best Marvel movie of all time not even a quarter of the movie in😅 it was on Replay for a while for my kids they loved it too

[@Churro_Flaminguez]

I wonder what James thinks of Michael's DC Animated Universe VO work. Do they talk about it in the whole episode? Haven't listened to it all yet

[@billymoore7182]

My favorite DCEU Movie is Man of Steel and my DC movie is The Dark Knight.

[@Puffdaddy248]

Mos was terribl lord grow taste

[@superjay14]

@@Puffdaddy248What is your favourite Dc movie?

[@rbleaks818]

best DCEU movie is The Suicide Squad (2021)

[@Puffdaddy248]

@@rbleaks818 pretty much and shazam was good too thats it

[@venomousmeek9632]

@@Puffdaddy248hazam and better than mos? If you like goofy children’s movies then sure.

[@florjankelmendi3498]

James Gunn saying Mario Puzo’s Superman (1978) was his favorite movie gives me great hope for the new dcu. My opinion on why movies back then were better is because of 1 rule: Movies gotta have different tones if you look most directors today most of there movies have that same vibe/tone to them the scenes from different Micheal bay films, Zack Snyder films these directors give great fight scenes and cool looking characters but every movie they make has the same vibe/tone if you watch the slow mo visuals from 300 your gonna think of the slo mo scenes from bvs, man of steel or zsjl. Scorsese,Nolan and James Gunn one thing i know they have in common is versatility when they make a movie they make sure that the tone is unique and don’t let there own style of filmmaking affect that.

[@franciscobeltran4597]

His point about different tones is what will make or break DC. Marvel has churned out the same stuff since avengers. Superman is light and hopeful, batman is dark and brooding. That’s what Gunn needs to lean into to make DC stand out.

[@voodooknights5508]

I like his insight hope he can get static shock man on board

[@Eluarelon]

From a comic perspective, I always thought that Marvel had the more interesting and believable characters while DC very often had the much better storylines. I'm not that sure that I buy into the world-building argument, because Marvel also has places like Symkaria and Latveria that don't really exist in our world, and also DC is still very much grounded in our real world, but on the other hand I think that Marvel handles their wider universe in a much better and consistent way than DC ever did. Mostly because DC seems to love to blow everything up once in a while, create something completely new only to destroy it again just a few years later. And they never seem to have a build-up to that like Marvel did with Jonathan Hickman's Secret Wars storyline when they merged their main universes into one. Now from a movie perspective, it's a lot harder to say, because while I generally love what the MCU is doing, they are kinda hit and miss with quite a few of their ideas and they have gone way too far into zany humour territory. With DC I generally loved that they originally didn't try to copy that but went for a more grim and gritty direction (until they did a blatantly bad copyjob with Justice League). And ironically the one DC movie I really hate is James Gunn's Suicide Squad and I really hope that he is serious about allowing for wider tones in the DCU. In the end I just want both to be wildly successful, so I really hope that Marvel kinda gets back on track and that Gunn succeeds in turning around things over at DC (bonus points if he can bring the Arrowverse back into existence one way or the other).

[@Dikbeeg]

Its obvious u have toilet taste and has no idea what u talking about .only great DCEU movie was gunn's SS and in comics both DC and marvel heroes are relatable .its just hacksnyder movies were dogfood and made every character a boring unrelatable god

[@Dikbeeg]

And ur comment dies when u said marvel has more interesting characters 🤣

[@uglisa2345]

Bro u got toilet taste

[@Eluarelon]

@@Dikbeeg Might die if you could give any convincing reasoning why I would be wrong. But of course, to make a coherent argument is much more difficult than, let's say, to write an unwitty, stupid one-liner.

[@Dikbeeg]

@@Eluarelon only great dceu movie is gunn's ss .snyder movies are toilet water lol .and marvel and dc both has interesting characters .but most interesting comic book character is batman he can be done in so many ways with being accurate

[@Bobaspielt]

In Gunn we trust!

[@Sir-Rodrigo]

he's gonna nail it.

[@billymoore7182]

The most realistic character in Marvel is The Punisher and the most realistic characters in DC are Batman and Green Arrow. DC also has a lot more magic like characters than Marvel. DC is basically a bigger universe than Marvel.

[@gabrielh8840]

I definitely agree with wht he has to say about Marvel, now that Disney is taking over it seems that most Marvel movies have the same campy not too serious tone which is honestly getting kinda tiring. I miss the old Marvel studio that had a wide range of different marvel movies from Spiderman to Punisher. That I believe is currently one of DC's advatangaes thanks to not being in shackles to Disney. I hate what Disney has done to Marvel, at least we still have Deadpool.

[@michaeljosephjackson2364]

thats why i liked sam raimi spiderman

[@suchangburagohain]

Marvel: 1. Spider-Verse movies (both) 2. Deadpool 1 3. Ironman 1 DC: 1. DC animated movies. 2. The Batman 3. Dark Knight 1 and 2.

[@kilroy987]

I watched this with the preconception that Marvel eventually planned WAY ahead and kept track of and honored the personality of its films that worked (at least for Phases 1-3), where the DCU is still trying to figure out how to establish some trust and regularity with its subject matter. The MCU is not in any way new.

[@krane15]

The first phase is to sign the star for 3 movies. That way you get a trilogy that can be concluded rather than just leaving the audience hanging. Like Justice League. We were left expecting more, but now we know the band has broken up. So there's not way to fix any of the earlier mistake.

[@nalday2534]

Mcu made up as it went along. Nothing was planned

[@crithon]

trying to dodge bullets, BUT! He could have just said "well, I did the Scooby Doo films, I know what I'm doing her."

[@TheI.M.R]

A lot of people say DC is darker than Marvel but in reality Marvel comics was edgy af back in the day worst of all they didn't care about creating a good story they just put edgy stuff to sel and because they tought it was cool just look at Ultimatum for example, meanwhile DC utilize darkness to tell a good story (killing joke for example) and most of the time tried to give every chartacter a distinctive tone instead of forcing darkness to everyone

[@Dikbeeg]

Both had dark and ligh hearted stuff the same way .ppl just trynna justify cringe dceu

[@DemonKnight85]

I think you're kind of right. Marvel was always the more gritty and edgy publisher. But DC was the one that really used some dark ideas and themes to tell some of their more memorable stories. At the end of the day, it always seemed DC was willing to be more high stakes than Marvel with their characters, which usually involved some dark stuff and I think that's why they are thought of as so. Also I think there was a duality there, where DC characters visually look so golden age and then when you throw in these traumatic events that happen in the stories, it really sells the idea that bad things can happen to these characters and the people around them. The contrast hits the reader harder.

[@Dikbeeg]

@@DemonKnight85 nope .its just batman who is darker hero most popular in DC and spiderman whos lighthearted most popular in marvel so they think dc tell dark stories marvel tell lighter ones .its false

[@krim7]

Look at what frank miller did to Wanda and pieteo in the ultimates 🤮

[@TheI.M.R]

@@krim7 Yeah i hate ultimatum so much

[@reaperraider999]

So glad he brings up that movies need different tones. I love the MCU to death but I can't overlook the fact that a lot of the characters, movies and tones can come across as way too similar sometimes. Also I don't blame them either because when they tried going for a darker tone the movie flopped (Thor 2) but I don't think it flopped because it was tonally different I think it flopped because it wasn't written that well and the villain was incredibly boring

[@B1onicelbow420]

The difference is easy. One company has been successful because they hired the right ppl and went in the direction of the fans. While the other has tried to copy it but hiring the wrong ppl and not servicing the fans in any way

[@freeguy3751]

The host is thinkin: "what is Gunn talkin about?!" lol cuz that was what the hell I was thinkin with his first answer

[@lilboat223]

fr bro did not answer the question lol

[@slampog]

The mythos of DC cities and places are just as important as the characters that protect them. For example, Gotham is its own character and the fact that it is fictional you have more room creatively than Marvel where most cities are the same ones in real life.

[@cainemarko5021]

James Gunn: "Into the Spiderverse is the best superhero movie ever made." James Gunn" "I will say here that Flash is probably one of the greatest superhero movies ever made." Stan Lee: "'nuff said"

[@PowerCrunchVideos]

I feel like the context of your message got lost when you referenced Stan Lee at the end here.

[@MatiZ815]

And? There's a difference between "the best" and "one of the best" that you might be missing here. I don't see any contradictions in those statements which I assume you were trying to imply.

[@josecr9ify]

He mentioned DC it gives me sooooo much HOPE omg. 😂😂😂

[@jeybailey8751]

I wish they do a Marvel and DC crossover movie !

[@TheI.M.R]

One thing i really hate about Tom Holland as spiderman was the fact that he was like 80% of the time maskless, he didn't care about his secret identity until no way home

[@capncooktwd3824]

I disagree, i believe in homecoming and far from home he was very cautious about his secret identity.

[@michaeljosephjackson2364]

​@@capncooktwd3824until endgame he was fighting without mask

[@philippburnett6045]

And over reliance on tony, when Peter built his own stuff and suits

[@jackprescott9652]

I actually like both universes. What`s wrong with people complaining about DCU? I really don`t know. All it`s films are really good stuff.

[@boreeeed]

This version of dcu is going to give 10 year old me a seizure of overstimulation.

[@boreeeed]

In a good way👀

[@AlbertoGarcia-wd7sc]

Marvel and DC need a wider range. But they also need to not be monopolies. We need more mid and low budget movies that are not about superheroes. We need the return of 80s/90s "adult" movies, be it dramas, thrillers or whatever.

[@Draec]

Gunn has me at Spider-verse. He's right and he should say it.

[@SuperNuttyPuddyBuddy]

DC movies are very hard to nail because I think it's hard to find the balance of grittiness and fantasy with realism. But I think James Gunn proved himself by making Polkadot Man awesome in the suicide squad film. That character I think is the hardest character to make work and he did it. So I have high hopes.

[@TheHypercube92]

I love @JamesGunn

[@Allen2saint]

I thought the later MCU films, the latest Doc Strange and Thor, had very creative tones and approaches and fans really dumped on them both.

[@Dikbeeg]

Its not .they were both toilet .like thor's character arc is all over the place .doc stramge doesnt even have a arc

[@bobbydennis8333]

I hope he brings the 4 different Supermen story to life! ☺️😢😊

[@SLAP1FACE]

his favourite MCU film being Iron Man just put him in my top 5 directors.

[@TonyCrenshawsLatte]

"You did a better job." Nice. 👍👍👍

[@tofu_golem]

To me, one of the big differences is focus. Marvel heroes have virtues but are defined by their flaws. DC heroes have flaws but are defined by their virtues. DC focuses more on the superhero persona, but the alter ego informs you about who the hero is. When Superman talks about truth and justice, you know he means it because you saw him persue those things as reporter Clark Kent. You know Batman is serious about justice because you watched Bruce Wayne spend millions trying to rehabilitate the irredeemable. By contrast, you care about what happens to Spider-Man because you know the outcome of that fight might affect whether or not Peter Parker can pay his rent that month. Iron Man's current battle with a supervillain might affect how well Tony Stark can cope with his alcoholism.

[@micmacha]

James Gunn is possibly the only person who can save the DCU at this point. I have absolute faith in this guy.

[@krnatsu]

I love what James says about DC acting as an "alternate history" of sorts with its world building, because that's what made me dislike the DCEU so much, it tried to make the world, characters and stories as "realistic" as they could, some exceptions apply, but in the process they misunderstood what made these characters who they were. Sure The Batman and Dark Knight Trilogy are realistic, but in fairness, Batman is a wee more of a grounded character, but also Nolan and Reeves kept the core of who and what Batman is. I'm glad to see Gunn already wanting to dive deep into DCs mythos, not just for the sake of die hard DC fans, but just because they are genuinely good stories, that people will actually enjoy. And seeing how the lore and world building will tie into the story will also be great, primarily because if world building doesn't do tie in with the story and characters, it comes off as extraneous information and unwanted. Very excited to see what James has installed for us

[@blackRXrider]

The Flash is the greatest superhero film of all time that bombed at the box office.

[@wongjefx980]

It's the greatest super hero movie of all time...up to the moment you click purchase button.

[@Dikbeeg]

Nobody has ever said its greatest movie .work on ur taste oh lord

[@roopalguhaneogi]

he is the ceo of dc,what did u expect him to say

[@Exile976]

Ive always thought it Marvel was kind of boring because almost all super heroes are in New York. While DC has original cities Gotham

[@benjaminherson7658]

Just the respect he puts on Spider-Verse has me VERY excited for DC's future.

[@fs19992009]

I trust this man to tell a good story. He´s not going to aim to blow you mind like Nolan or Snyder, but he´s really solid.

[@nalday2534]

Snyder and Nolan blow minds? Huh?

[@rya-nv4zc]

Ummm Nolan and Snyder blow minds ? …………..Okey Whatever you say

[@MC-Clap-Yo-Hands]

Really? Snyder needed 5 hour cut to blow your mind. And I wouldnt call the Nolan Batman mind blowing. They may have aimed to do that but they didnt succeeed.

[@Heavencloud19]

Did James say at the end "you did better?"

[@Dikbeeg]

Yes and its true .michael is the best live action lex

[@graysonflows]

Him saying Into the Spider-Verse is the best superhero ever made, gives me great hope for the DCU going forward.

[@Icevolcano-pr1wq]

Super excited for the DCU. I have faith in James Gunn. Can't wait for DCU. My favorite Superhero movie is Superman the movie. But the best Superhero movie ever made is The Dark Knight. The Dark Knight is a 10/10 great story great acting it's perfect from the beginning to the end.

[@reagensabortion]

And the fandom sighs in relief. It sounds like he actually gets/respects the characters.

[@EatSleepEmpire]

Never picked it up before, but he says blue beetle is the first character(not the first film) of the new dcu, and Superman would be the first film.

[@insomniaKM2]

Blade II probably my favorite Marvel film

[@drw_predator]

Dear James Gunn, You've truly outdone yourself and tributed all the Fans with G.o.G Vol 3 Outstandingly done movie, best sequel ever after Endgame & No Way Home But are you gonna do the justice to the DC COMICS?

[@jrpou]

Spiderman into the spiderverse is an animation master piece but as movie, The Unbreakable and the Incredibles battle in my heart for the best superhero movie of all times place.

[@voteDC]

You don't have to work hard to do Clark Kent and Superman. Look to how Christopher Reeve did it and get your actor to emulate that to some extent.

[@user-os3mk9px7h]

Facts

[@nichobee]

Marvel has always felt more diluted and cheaper to me

[@ShadouFox]

Never trust a word from Gunn's mouth😂.. He was publicizing the Flash as the best super hero film but it was utter trash

[@t-virusterrance4734]

I don't always agree with James Gunn, but i respect him. TERRANCE OUT

[@28hipster]

Can’t wait for the justice league to unite and do an obligated dance sequence…

[@ytuser_3122]

3:23

[@Domitris]

I'm the original founder of DC comics and marvel comics. Name's Domitris formally known as the great Bruce Wayne aka Batman. I'm literally Batman. ❤

[@jaylin.b_tv]

I just eventually want teen titans and killer frost and new characters in general which I’m sure he will do

[@mikemiles3077]

Here's hoping Mr. Gunn can make an actually really good DC movie. I'm looking forward to it.

[@shortstarwarsessays1842]

I’m shocked James Gunn didn’t mention Sam Ramis Spider-Man movies, I guess they don’t really jive with his joke/drama style.

[@brandongarcia6845]

He said Bludhaven NIGHTWING!!!!!!!!!!!

[@vcb2553]

His taste alone speaks volumes

[@jermaineallen2879]

All respectable answers. I love into the spider verse. I do feel across the spider verse topped it. And dead pool is amazing.

[@Angel-Otk]

That one exists already😭💀

[@aaronshanker6019]

Ngl my favorite MCU would have to be Iron Man 1 as well but apart from that maybe Guardians 2 and 3, Thor Ragnarok, Spiderman: No Way Home, Captain America Winter Soldier

[@oldDog428]

For me, Marvel is my brother and DC is my father and my mother is the comic industry.