Best CNC under $1000 - 4040 Pro Max Review

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

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[@Ebonyqwe]

I’m a beginner but wanted a larger bed and I also wanted a better router so this video was like honey to a bear. If James had not posted his review I wouldn’t have seen this as it hasn’t shown up in my other subscriptions so great job🎉

[@marsvoltage07]

That machine would fit my small garage work space so well

[@GillTeeGifts]

Another GREAT and detailed review James! Thank you as always for letting us know whats out there and all the details

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

My pleasure! And thank you for watching :)

[@GillTeeGifts]

@JamesDeanDesigns because i do a lot of small shop CNC work, my TT following asks me a LOT of pre buy questions. Your YT channel is ALWAYS where I point them. You do great work James. Helped me decide on my first machine 2 years ago and learned all of my early skills from your YT channel. It's so appreciated.

[@joelrob8606]

Bonjour James . Je vous remercie pour vos vidéos 🤩et vous confirme que l'upgrade de l'axe Z avec la broche améliore considérablement la qualite, vitesse et précision de cette CNC 👍👍. Votre vidéo pour le changement de l'axe Z est très bien faite et ma été très utile. 💪 Bonne continuation. 👏👏

[@fredbrown5901]

This would be an excellent addition to my shop

[@JohnColgan.]

Brilliant starting spec ... Love it !!

[@Festivejelly]

Thanks for showing your settings on the screen. That router looks great for my 4030 v2. Just a shame its never bloody in stock in the UK lol.

[@luvshak3095]

Excellent video. Think I'm going to pull the trigger on this one. One a side note, has anyone ever told you that you sound very much like Nicol Williamson?

[@markjewell5663]

James - First, thanks for the videos. They've given me a TON of information. I'm looking to get into CNC and i'm still doing a bunch of research and learning before I buy. My question for you is, would you go with a smaller better machine (like this one) vs the Longmill MK2.5 30x30 or 48x30? Thanks!

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

That's really difficult to answer without knowing a whole bunch of other information. What I would say is something like this 4040 pro max is generally easier to get up and running than something like a Longmill but the operation of both is fairly similar. This 4040 pro max will be more rigid than the Longmill but equally the Longmill can machine larger area so there is a trade off on various aspects

[@dmitriyl3917]

James, thank you for your videos. I always enjoy your content. You keep stating in multiple videos that the machines are not primarily for cutting metal. Well, which hobby-level machine would be good for that? I have been using the AnoleX 3030-Evo Pro to cut aluminum and brass with great success. I am more interested in functional parts than decorative items. If I needed something the strength of wood, I’d 3D print it out of plastic. Thus, metal cutting is the only reason I need a CNC. I would love to see your review of the best machine for cutting metal for under $1,000.

[@mikec8101]

I’ve been eyeing the Anolex 4030-Evo Ultra. I would love to see a review for it.

[@mikec8101]

If there are modifications or add-ons that you think would make it more suitable for metal, that would also make a good video.

[@jeremyit4355]

@@mikec8101 i also am looking for a metal cutting CNC. any luck with information on the Anolex 4030-Evo Ultra?

[@yn3ss]

How does this compare with the PROVerXL 4030 V2? Which is more versatile or better overall?

[@kerynwoods6068]

I was just scrolling through to ask the exact same question Any response yet mate?

[@yn3ss]

@@kerynwoods6068 No response yet, but as best I can tell, the 4030 v2 seems a little more appealing to me for only a little bit more $$$. Closed loop NEMA23 steppers vs open loop NEMA17 on the promax. Slightly better stepper controllers on the proverxl. Max speed 5000mm/m vs 2000mm/m on the promax. Ball screws vs lead screws on the promax. 110mm Z height vs 78mm on the promax. I won't miss the extra 100mm Y on the promax. 0.05 and 0.02mm accuracy vs 0.1mm on the promax. Hybrid spoilboard on the proverxl. I just wish the proverxl came with the 710w spindle and linear rails. Though I might just upgrade to an even more powerful spindle and see if I can fit the linear rails diy style. I'm also looking at the NymoLabs NBS-6040 - it's got everything I want, but it's an extra $1000 :(

[@patrickmckowen2999]

Great review👍 So if this one is only good for metal sometimes, what should I get in this size format for metal all the time? Cheers

[@faelwolf1177]

A benchtop mill. But it won't be at this price!

[@jamie.kyriacou]

Great video. Do you reckon it's better than the Foxalien Masuter 3S? Would the smaller NEMA 17 motors with the lead screw be as strong as the NEMA 23 closed loop motors with the belt driven system on the foxalien?

[@yvan2563]

1. There's probably really weak NEMA23 and extremely powerful NEMA17 steppers that could prove me wrong, but NEMA23 is usually stronger than NEMA17. 2. Closed loop is better, but unless you push the machine too hard your steppers shouldn't be losing steps. 3. Ballscrews are better than leadscrews, which are better than belts. There's also different types of racks and pinions, which I have read are usually better for larger CNCs in order to avoid ballscrew/leadscrew whipping. While I think belts are fine for smaller and cheaper machines, at those prices and the size of the machines I'd pick the Genmitsu 4040 Pro Max simply because it's not using belts.

[@donmiller8712]

I would really like your opinion of the Carve-right Raven as a first CNC

[@villeneuvewoodworks]

🤯 This looks like a solid machine!

[@adrianmann3623]

Will the spoiler board with the tracks in be better

[@VG_ST_D]

I was looking at this machine for some time now. Sainsmart ended some emails and info about this and it would be nice to have one. Very nice video and very well explained! I have a questions though. It would be very nice to see a normal speed video of this machine working on a project. In this way we can understand the speeds it can go to and if this is something that one would invest. Can't wait for the giveaway too, who knows about the winner :D

[@timreeves]

looks amazing, and on my shortlist to upgrade from my terrifying DIY attempt at a CNC. But I do wish sainsmart did something larger in this series, like a 6090!

[@maxoutny]

Great video, would love to have that machine! Thank you!

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

Thanks for watching :)

[@BillYovino]

This looks like an amazing machine for the money.

[@teabagNBG]

i first wanted to get a foxalien vasto but now i think i will go with a 3030prov v2

[@Fordham0815]

is it possible to do the same upgrade from 3:50 int a ProverXL 3040 V1?

[@funcasinoroyale]

Hi James, great video as usual. I currently have a 3018 prover and now looking for something better and bigger. I would like it to be able to do a 4.2mm depth of cut in one pass on cast acrylic. And with a large bed. I’ve been looking at the fox alien 3s which has an x axis extension kit. What machine would you recommend for my needs? Thanks, Bill

[@snailturbo2028]

James, can you please review hybrid spoil board? It shouldnt slack in the middle?

[@alexey_sychev]

There is nothing to review, it just works and has no flex. Only one downside: way too expensive imo

[@MrCcfly]

thanks for link to this video , i wonder will this one with vice be capable to make very fine medal 3d work ? in bronze or copper ? i know that nomad3 can do these but with hefty price ..

[@lineman508]

James I have been watching your videos and have come down to getting a now machine to learn on and then maybe upgrade later to a higher end unit I am a retiree who has built a woodshop for some of the most frustrating out of my wheelhouse "Electrical Lineman" and I now have seen enough cnc Videos from you to drop the hammer and purchase a beginner unit. Om usually a buy once cry once buyer but being that I dont even know if I can do this I will be getting a Sainsmart unit Please if you could let me know what I need for the best strat out unit I would like to keep it under 2k USD thank you and love the videos

[@R2_D3]

I've been eying the 4040 pro for a while, but this Max version is even more worth it! Love these videos! BTW: The 3 sharesale links don't work. (for me at least)

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

I have just tested them and they seem ok so maybe just a glitch but I'll keep an eye on them

[@R2_D3]

@@JamesDeanDesigns I think it's uBlock Origin that's blocking them.. :)

[@MrMorgalis]

any link of your 710w router? nice video btw

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

Thank you. This is the router - shrsl.com/4q6g0

[@alejandroherrera95]

Great video! Is this machine capable of cutting carbon fiber ?

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

@alejandroherrera95 yes 👍 just do so safely

[@TCVIBE-DK]

Nice stronger than the old 4040Pro. Will be doing nice 3D carving. On this one.

[@steven_vogt]

Excellent review - very happy to subscribe to your channel 👏 I would be hugely grateful if you could offer some quick advice that I won't hold you to later ;) I was about to pull the trigger on the Twotrees 450 PRO as my first foray into the hobby CNC world when I started seeing reviews of the Genmitsu 4040 Pro Max and I am now wondering if this wouldn't actually be a better choice for me? The rigidity of the Z gantry plus the more powerful spindle have caught my attention. The slightly smaller working area not so much. Do you have any experience with the TT450? Which would you recommend - The Genmitsu 4040 or TTC 450? (purchase price is not the primary concern here) My "shopping list" :) is: 1. Must be reasonably good quality for occasional hobby usage (no selling of work here :) ) 2. I care about the quality and precision of the final carve 3. cut through 18-24mm wood and MDF. I would also probably use to make 6-9mm templates for router work. 4. be able to cut out, engrave and do relief carving 5. Preferably have the option to add a laser module in the future (thinking in the 20-30W territory) 6. I am retirement age (that came quick! :)) and reasonably literate with using software and consumer tech etc but definitely want something where I don't have to work too hard to learn to use it. Zero interest in learning code, programming etc etc. Massively grateful if you find the time to help! And greetings form Warsaw, Poland 👋

[@PandorusFightStick]

have you a recommendation for a waterbed for cutting CF on this machine! the upgrades on this machine have made this an awswome machine!! did want the 3030 prover but this would be perfect!

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

No, it's something I am hoping to test soon. I'm wondering if double sided will hold up well enough under water as long as the base was dry first

[@SethBurgess]

What's the 4th axis you're using, or do you have recommendations?

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

It's the Sainsmart 4th axis. It runs with this machine but has to be used via the offline controller (which i actually thinks comes in the kit)

[@samtowers4693]

I was seriously considering the Fox Alien masuter 3s until I saw this , This is a couple of hundred quid cheaper, which is better in your opinion Thanks

[@Andrew_Sherman]

Can this be wall mounted like the Onefinity? I'm really excited to find out!

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

In theory yes, it just remember ultimately gravity play a big part so depending on the orientation, it's likely your X or Y axis motors will have to work harder than normal

[@OverflowMusicStudio]

I have a question. Can this cut felt that is 2 to 4 inches thick?

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

Truthfully can't answer as I have never cut felt. It will not reach 4in thick as the max travel is about 3.25in if I remember correctly

[@richardsandford1607]

Great video! Thank you!

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

Thank you as always for your support Richard :)

[@christiankurtz3231]

Do you have surgestions for a steel cutting CNC-Router? I need to copy come door handle shields out of 4mm steel plate (plus some ingravings) . I no need a fast runner, it can takes as long as need. But as usual, i dont want sell my house to buy a router for that task;)

[@E9XCarparts]

@JamesDeanDesign Which of the two CNC would you prefer for some light work with soft metals ? The 4040 Pro Max or the 3030 PROVer Max since I think the 3030 is more rigid because of the linear rails and the Aluminum bed. You already machined aluminum and steel on those two and can you recommend me one more ? Thanks James 🙂

[@MakerHacks]

I bought the XZ upgrade for my 4040 pro, hopefully I will see approaching the same improvements :) The Z from my 4040 will then go on my 6060 with the floppy z ;)

[@martinotalotti8986]

Did you extend y axes to 1020mm? Is it precise and accurate in repetition on long distance? Can you control a fiber laser with signal from machine? Or just a diode laser one?

[@rwake4]

I'm about to buy my first CNC machine. I'm looking at the foxalien 3s. Which would you recommend?

[@kerynwoods6068]

Hi Dean I was about to order the Prover4030 XL V2 but now that I have seen this video I’m rethinking my choice. Which would you recommend?

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

It's a difficult one but overall the 4030 v2 is probably still the better machine (as long as you upgrade the spindle)

[@giuseppemorog5409]

Very interesting machine for that price .

[@drsnooz8112]

This is the 3rd video review I've watched where you cut steel, and cut it nicely, then tell me I shouldn't use the machine to cut steel. You don't offer any explanation, or suggest alternatives. SLS printers are still too costly, and I can buy and destroy one of these machines for what it'll cost me to have someone else CNC my brackets. Help a guy out here.

[@cncart]

To cut steel you'll need a spindle with very low rpms and high torque

[@tommc49]

Can you recommend any non-subscription software to use with this machine?

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

Best non-subscription is Carveco Maker+ which can be bought as a perpetual license. V- carve pro is also very popular. If you're after cheaper alternatives perhaps look at Carbide Create or DeskProto

[@mikeserago3949]

James, how would you rate Sain Smart customer service?

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

@mikeserago3949 generally amazing. Don't get me wrong, some people have bad experiences or some people forget there is a time difference but generally speaking it's great

[@johnnyking3894]

w4hat do you use on that drill to sand your 3d items with

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

They are nylon sanding brushes amzn.to/4eXoUui

[@Jeff034]

Does it come with any software?

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

No but there are quite a few free choices out there.

[@Jeff034]

@ thank you. Can you recommend any software that imports from sketchup? Vcarve? (Expensive). I suppose trying to avoid learning yet another CAM program.

[@johngrant5749]

How about British prices?

[@webadage]

I'm a newbie so my question may be obvious to others. I've been shopping around to purchase my first CNC unit and can't seem to find any videos or information on how to write and upload your own CNC instructions for the machine. Can you point me in the right direction?

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

This is all to do with software. You crate your design, tell the software what CNC bits you want to use and the software does all the hard work in creating all the code for your CNC machine

[@allen2139]

How do you get the design onto the machine using the WIFI? Through a USB stick?

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

@allen2139 what ever device you opt to run it from, you put the file on that. So what I was doing was saving the file from my PC to Ondrive, then downloading onto my phone

[@allen2139]

Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. Thanks very much for the information!!!!!

[@HenkHeijnen]

This CNC is getting more solid every time (I think). Sainsmart is now also selling it with a V-carve license.. for €282 extra. What software would you recommend to use with this machine? Ohh I’m a Mac user..

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

@HenkHeijnen I personally wouldn't get V carve because of its limitations (can't do bigger than 24in and can't use more than 1 3d model) but for some people it may be fine. I did this video early this year that may help you kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zp2Vn4KVm7enmNk

[@ynnocser]

@@JamesDeanDesigns Simple workaround for limitation of one 3d-model in VCarve - one extra-step - but pretty simple. 🙂kzbin.info/www/bejne/opuofa2cmNSIepo I personally prefer Vcarve - started with Carveco Maker coming from your videos, but for some reason I was driven away to VCarve, but both will do the job for sure.

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

@ynnocser I know there are work arounds, like you can tile to go bigger than 24inches but when paying that price for software you shouldn't have find work arounds in my opinion but each to their own

[@HenkHeijnen]

@@JamesDeanDesigns even with the extensions for the 4040 you are within the 24” limit!? Ohh Sainsmart now say the Y extension is for the 4040 pro can add on can also be used for the 4040 pro max.. makes sense because they only changed the X and Z for the Pro Max.. so 20 cm extra in the Y direction is now possible with the Pro Max but maybe they should consider to offer the Pro Max in a 6060 version!?

[@uhadonejob]

Does this come with the wifi enabled mainboard. I bought a 4040 pro recently but the mainboard did not support the wifi module.

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

Yes. So the first batch of 4040pro's didn't have it enabled but then they updated it. I think those who bought the original had the option to have a new board sent out if I remember correctly so may be worth reaching out to Sainsmart

[@shrimpinpat]

I spent weeks making my own cnc as my first and its just been hell. Sign me up this contest plz

[@Kathyoftheglade]

im not buying anything unless they bring out the 600 in the max variety. i have an 800 watt water cooled spindle. the last thing i want is a longer axis for it to flex on.

[@ibreakstuff815]

All I care about cutting is aluminum and brass. So you say its not the machine for me, but why not if it can do it? And why has this company not focussed in on that market since its obviously what every reviewer focuses on if it is or is not capable of doing?

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

I suppose it's like going yes your car can do 150mph but you're not going to do that all of the time because it would probably harm the engine. Similar thing here. First, it would probably burn the router out pretty quick, and second, whilst it can machine metal you will get better results on a dedicated metal mill because it is likely to be stronger frame.

[@ibreakstuff815]

@@JamesDeanDesigns So, the spindle running at high speed is the problem? Does it not run at high speed for other non metal materials?

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

@ibreakstuff815 not so much the speed. The router is a brushed motor and those brushes wear down quicker when the motor is put under more pressure like when machining metal. And also things like the bearing in a router probably are not to the same spec as something like a brushless spindle

[@ibreakstuff815]

@@JamesDeanDesigns So it all comes down to the spindle being a brushless one? And that is not a option?

[@ynnocser]

I upgraded my 4040 Pro with the X/Z-module - Thanks for your new values for max. speed and acc - did not think on to increase those with this more rigid update. When upgrading you need to remeasure your max. travels and enter to your configuration as they change a little bit coming from 4040 Pro.

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

The acceleration values can probably be taken higher still. But the base settings were just so slow

[@ShrekEngravings]

honest question: was this video sponsored?

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

@ShrekEngravings if you're asking if I am paid to do the review, then no. My review on the Sainsmart Reno should confirm that. Sometimes I pay for machines, sometimes they are sent to me but all reviews are carried out against the terms and conditions on my website to ensure a fair review for viewers.

[@ShrekEngravings]

@ ok thank you

[@OnefinityCNC]

Looks like someone copied our patented design ?

[@MrCcfly]

??? ox is free and so and so..-. i wonder who give u patent for it ..