Double Dragon (NES) James & Mike Mondays

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Double Dragon is an arcade game developed by Technos and published by Taito in 1987. It was later ported to many home consoles including the NES, Sega Master System, Atari 2600, Sega Genesis and others. There were also several sequels including Double Dragon II: The Revenge, Double Dragon 3: The Rosetta Stone and Super Double Dragon for the SNES. In 1993, Rare developed a spin-off Battletoads & Double Dragon which combined the two franchises. And in 2012 there was a remake for Xbox Live Arcade called Double Dragon Neon.
This week, James Rolfe and Mike Matei try out the first Double Dragon game for the Nintendo Entertainment System. This home port had many disadvantages in comparison with the arcade version, but is a classic in its own right. Near the end of the video, we also try out Mode B where players fight against each other in a one-on-one match! It's time for some Double Dragon!!!
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[@JamesNintendoNerd]

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[@lizetloera6907]

Cinemassacre go to ebay and search double dragon for sega genesis just like the arcade version of it that would be a good video 📹

[@justintahair9119]

great playthrough double dragon 1 and 2 are awesome havent tried the 3rd thpse are 2 of my fav beat em ups

[@justintahair9119]

i wanna try battletoads next

[@dmckinney817]

Bring back those fuckin sideburns!!!!

[@mauricehaney3234]

You guys ever do Ikari Warriors

[@Xenoforge78]

"You'll make it further if you cheat" - Mike Mattei A lesson for life.

[@dickmarx1298]

It's only a crime if you get caught

[@danromanov9537]

Good advice for both real life and video games

[@BullsEye3333]

17:21 That fight was intense! You could hear James mashing the buttons and I think it was even closer than they realize because he almost ran out of time.

[@Games_and_Music]

+BullsEye3333 Haha yeah, i just noticed that after reading your comment, if Mike & James were aware of it at that time, that wouldve even made it more intense, 6 seconds left is pretty close.

[@joshisnot11]

My palms were literally sweating from 2nd hand stress haha.

[@Synthwave89]

It's so funny to see these guys having a blast. Makes me wish I had a BFF like that.

[@blustickman0285]

Same

[@Dingoplexor]

Couldn’t agree more

[@southsidesaiyan8641]

BFF? What are you a 12 year old girl?

[@johntynan8161]

​. 😂😂😂

[@SuperFromND]

How to beat Double Dragon Step 1: GAME GENIE Step 2: RED BULL Step 3: GET THE KNIFE

[@airwolfman]

Step 0: GROW SIDEBURNS!

[@limbaughsbothersomecarbunc8096]

Step 4: PROFIT

[@leroyvisiongames2294]

Step 5: GET 50,000 POINTS, GRAB YOUR CELL PHONE, TAKE A PICTURE OF THE TV AND TEXT IT TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS WHILE MAKING REFERENCES TO ‘THE WIZARD’.

[@endrankluvsda4loko172]

lmao

[@rowlandbuck2703]

I beat it once, then could never do it again lol.

[@dunnono00]

lol, I guess this is part of the reason I can't help but like the AVGN videos. There's just a genuine quality to them. Like the way James just goes crazy with the effort of making a tough jump "EHHHHHNNNNN!, or the way he says he actually felt that last hit from Abobo. It's nostalgic, I guess. Just takes me back to the days when I played these games and lived and died with every victory and defeat. This video just puts a smile on my face.

[@TheVideoGuyfromOhio]

This isn't part of the AVGN series though

[@jamesterzis8680]

"Do we give it another go, or??" "Let's...let's fucking do this!"

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

The beginning of many a gaming triumph.

[@あらすとる]

I really like how you can feel they are having real fun playing these games xD I miss playing games like that with my friends.

[@TheVideoGuyfromOhio]

What's stopping you?

[@autumnsarsenal]

50,000?.........you got 50,000 on Double Dragon?

[@Rikk1825]

+autumnsarsenal best comment

[@vguyver2]

+Rikk1825 Good god, I hate that I still know where that quote is from. XD

[@DrDeathpwnsu]

+autumnsarsenal Wait a minute, James and Mike had a five digit score when they said that, so it's not like insanely far off... *HOLY SHIT LUCAS RACKED UP 50K WITH THE WILLIAMSES TRICK I JUST FIGURED IT OUT!*

[@DrDeathpwnsu]

Yeah, it was. I totally remember now that you said that. Kevin Arnold walked over with the girl and saw him playing it at the truck stop.

[@Kyotensaithegamer]

50,000? How could you get 50,000 points in less than a minute and why such a random number. - James Rolfe

[@maxmoefoe]

Lovin' those half mutten chops, James!

[@NotCyclical]

Indeed.

[@twincam103]

hey max make some prank videos.

[@evasingh5115]

Oh my goodness maxmoefoe

[@alanscottjr2650]

Mines grow that way. Can't grow a full beard to save my life.

[@spoonman6256]

maxmoefoe I think Max posts the most comments overall on KZbin

[@Godlike_Virus]

I think this was the first NES game I flung across the room out of anger of losing during my youth. Mission 3 and beyond is like screw you, shit-switch is flipped, you're on your own. Fly like an eagle.

[@skynet1O1]

Wow this brings back memories of when I was young in the 80's and would root for my older brother to beat this game, then goof off on the vs mode. Thanks for doing this guys!

[@LaVeyCharkusVeros]

12:11 James is SO into the game that he has to yell at Mike: "Count my hearts! Count my hearts!" X'D

[@pluckyduck11y]

"That's terrible. You don't ever wanna be in between them. And then the other guy keeps comin." XD @13:46

[@hectortexidor308]

That my friend,is comedy gold

[@handsomebrick]

+pluckyduck11y and then, 14:48 and 26:09

[@darkeclipticheart]

"He's too big to mount" That had me laughing for a while.

[@M3RQuR]

One of the greatest James & Mike Mondays so far!

[@misterneckbreaker88]

"FUCK! And that's how it ends" James Rolfe 2014

[@smol_white_bat]

Double Dragon 2 has the best attack; you jump, and after landing and before the character getting up, you jump again, making a jumping knee kick. That thing is so brutal is really fun to attack with, even the sound it makes. I'm hoping for a Double Dragon 2 James & Mike Mondays.

[@smol_white_bat]

***** Back in the day when my brother and I got that game, there was Saint Seiya airing for the first time. There's a technique called 'Rozan Shoryu Ha' and the translation was "Ascending Dragon." Naturally we called that move in DD2 ascending dragon, because it's so powerful that you may be able to stop a waterfall like in the animation. We still play it from time to time. Good times.

[@davidofclay]

I was wondering how to do that knee kick. Thank you, sir.

[@LifeOnWelfareIsGreat]

That move was mad easy to do with a turbo fire controller. Really that was the only way to play that game.

[@smol_white_bat]

Walter White But it feels awesome when you do it on command without turbo. That's how I roll.

[@Mrtypeoj]

Yeah, i used to call it a knee flurry, remember using that for later in the game. Also cheaped out when playing solo,and start with 2pb i think, as you kill your partner you gain his lives so after that you can start the game with 8 lives instead of 4, something like that.

[@inuyashaspet]

This is your best J&M Monday episode yet, along with Perfect Dark(I mean Goldeneye). I loved how you actually gave it your all to the point of frustration. THAT'S what we want to see! And you guys had tons of fun along the way too.

[@DeanStrickson]

Wait, when did they do Perfect Dark?

[@Benobot99]

They didn't do Perfect Dark, although I would love that, it's my favourite video game.

[@nobel11]

MediaGold When they were in college, probably.

[@suicideposter]

They played Golden Eye, I'd love to see them play Perfect Dark with the pinball grenades and laptop gun sentries though.

[@inuyashaspet]

MediaGold Yeah it was Goldeneye. Sorry guys, had a major brain fart there

[@empire0]

Finishing off those Abobo's in the woods with no health was CLUTCH. The key to the game is getting to the last level without losing a life, then getting past the bricks. All downhill from there.

[@videogamehunter820]

That ending is absolutely hilarious! LOL

[@NightmareKingdom]

OMG Yes!!

[@omegaweapon116]

the music in this game is amazing

[@Rikk1825]

+omegaweapon116 nothing else comes close to the double dragon theme.

[@omegaweapon116]

@bee boo well I can't really argue with you since it's all subjective but I've played a lot of games and the music in this game just impresses me for a NES game

[@AtlasBlizzard]

Still the best soundtrack to any Double Dragon game. DDII was the better game, but the original's soundtrack is way better.

[@marciocouto3543]

"Do yo want me to get a hammer and smash it?" And that's how the legend began.

[@daviddamasceno6063]

Angry Video Game Dad

[@bewareofwil]

Of everything y'all have done, this has honestly brought me the most joy. It was like I was experiencing my childhood all over again. Thank you so much.

[@hatelove5715]

Omg the ending had me cracking the fuck up, so simple yet so hilarious

[@AV57]

Live 101 Proof: one of the best live albums ever.

[@jacobyne]

He's gonna take you back to the past...

[@Vacated204]

DLTAJohnny.SHUT THE FUCK UP

[@krisfarted]

To play the shitty games that suck ass

[@Clouder66]

He'd rather have, a buffalo

[@MatthewBaran]

TO PLAY THE SHITTY GAMES THAT SUCK ASS... (had to help)

[@blakewilliams3829]

owa_ffs he's the angriest gamer you ever heard

[@bcclutch3822]

There is a bunch of games on nes I didn't beat as a kid and then years later I beat them as an adult. Double dragon is one of them. Classic game I love it. I beat it every year or so now and it's really fun. Very nostalgic. The music always makes me smile. "Watch out for the knives" (juke moves directly into the knife)

[@ProtoMario]

As soon as he said Lucas, I was like, what?! The damn Wizard????!

[@noahmalik]

ProtoMario?! It's weird to see big youtubers on other big youtuber's channels/comments sections.

[@ProtoMario]

Noah Hopkins I am by no means degrading Patthenespunk, but he has only half what I have, and he plays with James, and are even in his videos too. Nothing wrong with that, just noting size never matters. =)

[@LifeOnWelfareIsGreat]

You got 50,000 Bimmy's in Double Dragon?!

[@noahmalik]

ProtoMario Haha I guess that's true.

[@ProtoMario]

Walter White You got Bimmys 50,000 Jimmies in Buble Ragon.

[@grovkillen1]

Best video ever! Mike + James = magic

[@JamesNintendoNerd]

Thanks!

[@caceresthecreative]

+Cinemassacre you guys should play River City Ransom

[@DrDeathpwnsu]

+Juan Caceres Such a superior game.

[@bluefat8096]

This game aslo has many glitches that can be pull like magic with Billy Lee.

[@Kugawattan]

"He's too big to mount."

[@omegarugal9283]

another great quote from James and Mike, reminded me of some girl i knew... someone must make a compilation of J&M quotes "let´s fukcing do this.." is another from Mike

[@xninja83x67]

@@omegarugal9283 "Iet me be on top so I can be more aggressive" james - contra

[@xninja83x67]

"That's terrible, you don't ever want to be in between them. And the other guy just keeps on cummin" james - this video

[@thecapri48gaming]

Twss

[@Rensune]

It says TJC (Techno Japan Corp, or the company that made the game)

[@DragonHeartHisMajestyX]

@Rensune I've always wondered why the boxes said TJC on them, but that actually makes sense.

[@MrJR2309]

14:47 "Lets fuckin' do this, c'mon", Yes Mike!

[@michaelpilgrim8131]

James really is the AVGN.

[@TotalMK]

Funny you mentioned the part with the Door "Imagine You didn't know you had to go into the Door..." Well that was me. I used to Play Double Dragon on Arcade and on the Arcade there are no doors so when I played it on NES I didn't know what the fuck was going on as I kept scrolling the screen to the right. I ended up turning off the game in frustration and never played or bough it again (back when it was a new game) I own the game now, picked it up years later to add to my collection. hehe

[@Citizenryan82]

Thanks for the help Mike, I remember my brother showing me the bat trick 25 years ago and forgot all about it. Good video guys, I like it when you guys play games you enjoy. I really appreciate seeing you guys have fun and share your personal memories for games like this instead of games you don't like. Leave those to the Nerd.

[@BtXpGaming]

I Love the power glove.....It's So Bad! Lucas - Wizard Loved how it was in a felt lined suitcase

[@markpayne9698]

Double Dragon 1&2 was one of my favorite video games of all time .. I could just remember me going to the arcade room and spinning a lot of quarters playing this game .

[@aperson22222]

When they're talking about the plot of The Wizard, I can't help thinking we'll be saying the same thing about their movie.

[@Siteukenc]

Is it out yet? ( i'm sorta new to the channel.

[@Apotheosis_44]

Yeah! Nobody wants to see Jame's epic adventure... we just want to see E.T footage!

[@IROQUOISxPLISKEN]

NintendoWolf88 It's hard to tell with the written word sometimes. I thought they were serious at first, you get used to seeing stupid comments on here, it can get confusing.

[@WagnerPaivaCCB]

That will not be the case at all, nowdays we can see all footage from any videogame any time we want.

[@aperson22222]

xxduberryxx Or rather, we'll want him to get to the review.

[@TomPark1986]

I love this game. Wish they included it on the mini NES.

[@Spagooblio]

We can always hope that they'll give it updates regularly.

[@cannibus78]

just download the games u can download 27 more games online

[@imwastedenough]

Jake Bishop lol

[@YTSProduction]

Remember River City Ransom? NES!

[@shermanikk]

RCR is also two player...

[@Shrubchucker]

Super Dodge ball

[@0Imtheslime0]

RCR is brilliant. Nintendo World Cup (the most hilarious soccer game) was based on RCR.

[@connorhurst3276]

That’s an Nes Nintendo online

[@Saxysaboy77]

“The Wizard” is every 80’s gamers’ guilty pleasure! Myself included!

[@MrGregory777]

That fight was intense as fuck. i had to remind my self to breathe

[@ironlunatic1]

Man I was so addicted to this game back when I was 8 years old. I would get up 2 hours before school started just to play it more.

[@PeteSkerritt]

I was hoping for a reference to The Wizard, and was not disappointed. As much as that film gets trashed for its poor story and unnecessary character development ("Show me the games!"), just the idea that video games had a supporting role in the film was/is great. I watch it more often than I should probably admit to in a public forum. As for the NES version of Double Dragon, it's one of my favorite ports. I like the RPG-lite element of leveling up your character and having him learn new moves; it's a bit deeper than the coin-op original in that regard. There's also a great soundtrack here. Finally: I didn't know about that glitch Mike mentioned until now. I'll have to use this!

[@DavidsweeklyReviews]

"To be a Dragon you've got to be strong" Use to love that show and the game.

[@DrDeathpwnsu]

Single Dragon. Heh. Speaking of, I always feel singled-out when people reminisce over the NES game. As a kid, I dropped so many quarters in the arcade version before I even owned an NES or saw that version of it. When I finally got my hands on the NES version, it's not like I expected the graphics to be as good, but... Single player? The weapons disappearing after a few uses? _What a shitload of fuck._ I understand that is kind of my own unique experience, and if you didn't grow up falling in love with an arcade game that was at the pizza place right by your house... (Like who the fuck are "Billy and Jimmy"? That's Hammer and Spike; it said it right there on the artwork by the buttons, duh...)Then the NES version probably seemed pretty cool.

[@damedrops8197]

I thought Double Dragon advance on the gameboy advance was the best version of D.D. ever.

[@DrDeathpwnsu]

Kool J Yeah, that one is a pretty straight-forward port from the arcade if I recall. I have to agree; DD II arcade didn't make any real improvements (besides maybe less lag on a full screen) and DD III arcade was an absolute abomination! Usually video game sequels get better... but DD arcade seemed to want to follow the sequel quality trend of movies.

[@WeirdEdz]

+Kool J super double dragon is a fantastic game especially if you get the harder version

[@joshisnot11]

One of the best episodes of J&M imo. Such a blast of nostalgia haha. A real visceral experience too. I’ve never felt more tense watching James play something lol.

[@Samurai0316]

Oh wow.. I never knew what the hearts were for in this game as a kid. I never really made the connection that some of the seemingly random new attacks I was doing had anything to do with them! I also never really got far enough along to get six or seven hearts to get the elbow or roundhouse kick they were talking about either! o.O ...guess I better dust off my NES again and try it out! :D EDIT: Jeez.. I never knew to go in the cave on level 3 either! I always had too much trouble with the two Abobos.

[@Dilomight]

Man, you’ve missed out on so much

[@AtlasBlizzard]

The story of James's dad and the hammer is like, wow, that was the birth of the Nerd.

[@pronstorestiffi]

I want to give you 1k thumbs up for the shirt alone James.

[@PassportBrosBusinessClass]

Double Dragon's shadow knee kick - with accompanying sound effect - is probably the most awesome/violent move I've ever seen.

[@TheAngryFishman]

This game was a favorite of mine.

[@tdog5993]

Fun fact: Enemy’s names are from Bruce Lee’s masterpiece “Enter the Dragon 🐉 ”

[@eclass96]

This here sir is a masterpiece...

[@blustickman0285]

Take chin for example

[@nebularain3338]

@@blustickman0285 There was no character called Chin in Enter The Dragon.

[@frankbeans5921]

"Watch out for the knives!" Immediately gets a knife in the head 🤦‍♂️😂

[@BillWilson83]

This video sums up the fun and the emotion that went into playing NES games back then, nothing like it now.

[@lilpimp994]

I remember the nerd saying he could beat double dragon without dying more than once. He said it in the double dragon 3 review.

[@crithon]

it's so much fun rewatching these videos

[@TomServo420]

I've got this game on the SEGA master system and it's two player. Just another example of SEGA does what NintenDON'T!

[@MabuseXX]

The Master System Version is bad......regardless having 2 player.

[@supermarco64akamarcoagoril14]

But actually, NES had 2 player too. Making this game a ported version.

[@joshtaylor8304]

The masters system was dope a lot ppl don’t remember DD bein on there but I do nd BOBOs were red colored too great times

[@daviddamasceno6063]

The Master System version is so much better!

[@michaelr9839]

No way. Sega was cool but was definitely inferior to the NES. Everyone knows that.

[@vegahortega7951]

You guys bring me back ..I remember these games and at the time they would new lol ..crazy ..thank you guys.

[@MisanthropikOne]

Elbow the Abobos 4 times each and they're finished.

[@sdhubbard1409]

Beat me to it. Let me add that you can do the elbow by keeping your back to them and hitting punch when they get close. Friend showed me that when I was a kid. :)

[@MisanthropikOne]

sdhubbard Yeah man. It's either that or the 7 Heart roundhouse kicks that take them out.

[@scottbucelli1693]

Brings back alot of memories. I was playing "bad dudes" the other day on an original arcade setup, soo fun.

[@Handlethis81637]

If I remember correctly, in the vs mode when fighting the CPU, your opponent has nearly twice as much health as you do.

[@Hungryman97sCollectibles]

13:46 "You don't ever want to be in between them... that one guy keeps coming."

[@arturomex007]

you should play Zombies ate my neighbors for SNES in a 2 playes mode its a really hard game, its harder than a solo mode. i love your videos.

[@overnightdelivery]

Battletoads and Double Dragon. Two of the hardest NES games of all-time. No coincidence that they both starred in the same game.

[@nrdesign1991]

14:28 genuine rage

[@Lizzifer7]

i enjoyed listening to you both encouraging and reminiscing with each other, awesome play through gentlemen :)

[@Lenciar]

Niiice!! Like mondays only for this!

[@anone1243r]

true, its like the only thing worth living

[@LtGenThEGamE]

Absolutely loved the game as a kid! But my friend and I were devastated that it wasn’t 2 player co-op.

[@rogaface]

This was fuckin great! YOU GUYS HAVE TO BEAT THAT GAME!!!!!

[@jasonbowers9210]

Thanks fellas for bring back my childhood. I was born in 80's

[@madcow009]

Those Abobos, just walk in front of them at an angle and back elbow when they come into range.

[@duketogo25]

+Bill Beerstein he didn't have enough hearts to do the elbow.

[@maddadwolf]

"Can you imagine if you didn't know to go in the cave?" That's EXACTLY what happened to me, I thought it was a bad glitch! lol

[@matthewgarnier6460]

Can we have more bootsy... He's cool

[@AsherNate]

Man I played this game a lot as a kid. I chuckled when you went up the ladder thing and fell so the whip was still up there, I used to do the exact thing.

[@alonsocaro]

When I was children I always play it

[@adolfozaragoza6086]

MARNY chill.. you have to admit it was funny.

[@MerkhVision]

Come on guys dont make fun of the guys English, his comment still made sense!

[@VivaLaBunga]

All your base are belong to us

[@frankyfourfingers1382]

I love the music in this game.

[@frozenaorta]

26:15 It's the end of Rocky 3!

[@Valieser]

14:28 was the most amazing rage I've ever seen lel

[@luckystrke]

Ending was hilarious! rofl

[@carlchaovski8542]

Such proof of simple gameplay and really well made because it was actually fun.. I miss the fun and innovation of the early days of gaming, this game is definantly a gem, great video boys

[@josephD32]

The Wizard - A Nintendo commercial disguised as a movie, lol.

[@MrCCSUN]

I think I wanna try my hand at this game again.Thanks for another great video. It was obvious how much you connect with this game.I hope you make a episode of you finally beating it.

[@SonicKick]

DO DOUBLE DRAGON NEON!

[@Siteukenc]

Which sanic are you?

[@CertifiedNEETClassic]

The one who liked the boobs.

[@Siteukenc]

Your Pic looks like she is getting Tittyfucked. Just Saying

[@CertifiedNEETClassic]

Heart necklaces.

[@slipknotboy555]

Demagogue Heh, it really does Cute picture, though

[@ChaosoneX]

15:30 I've had that happen a few times, like the game hadn't finished loading the next part. Like done here, just go back down the previous ladder, and it fixes itself. As for the sliding blocks parts, the thing I learned was that if you get as close to the edge of the floor without falling off, you can literally walk past them without getting hit.

[@rhys_x756]

James and Mike should play the Atari 2600 game: Darude - Sandstorm

[@GregTheGamer123]

Made by ljn

Darude - Feel the beat

[@rockyarchives8861]

GregTheGamer123 XD LJNrude - Shitstorm

[@1BergerVongSchlauigkeitHer]

le funy may may

[@SikantoCentral]

You see the sequel? Sarude - Dandstorm

[@PaleHorseShabuShabu]

I was inspired by this video, so I put Double Dragon into my top loader. After getting to the random jutting wall bullshit and dying on my last life, I started again and beat the game. Willie was tough because the bastard kept running away when I would try to pin him in the corner. I kept having to weave up and down in hopes that he wouldn't shoot, and he never did. I kept kicking him, grabbing him by the hair, and filling his face full of knees. The last boss is actually pretty simple. He just takes a lot of abuse. My first fight with him ended because of the game's stupid timer, but I got him on my second try. I kept kicking him and landed three spin kicks. I got in a good, uninterrupted series of punches, too. Throw in a ton of jump kicks and a few back elbows, and it's a victory for me.

[@damianroberts4330]

Abobo goes down.

[@LightWarrior2000]

I don't know if they read this much but here's some feed back. I like how you guys do the cuts with Mikey keep up the good work.

[@PegranHimself]

where did the hair go?

[@MartyLuminarty]

This is crazy entertaining. They really don't make games like they used to. Like a real feeling of relief and accomplishment when you get past a really difficult situation.

[@TheVideoGuyfromOhio]

Cuphead would like a word with you

[@grungyperry7530]

The nerd has great taste in music I see!

[@cccraigus]

This is the funniest video released on this channel in a long time.... was great to see James and Mike playing something they truly enjoy.

[@undeadpriest13]

4:10 love me some "mice game glitches", although I'm not sure Double Dragon applies...

[@frontxxrunner]

Lol I heard that too. I'm like, "mice game glitches?" It's like when James says "Super-Intendo"

[@Homosapien-ju6dz]

Finally beat double dragon last night it has bothered me my whole life. I used the game genie, but it's still really difficult. Seeing the end after all these years it was just amazing. Truly one of the best games ever made. Great challenge and soundtrack.

[@MetalKillsRap2]

PANTERA!! \m/

[@michaelr9839]

I love that game. I can still run through it w one guy. Classic.

[@Themysterymove]

TJC. Might stand for Tecnos Japan Company, the people who made the game?

[@XzMondayNightzX]

They also make cash registers?

[@CashMoneyAmigoKiwami]

▂▃▄▅▆▇█▓▒░ Jimmy Tuggs ▒▓█▇▆▅▄▃ How did you make your name like that!?

[@frontxxrunner]

14:28 there's the real inspiration from whence the AVGN came from. We've all been there.