BS The Legend of Zelda - James & Mike Mondays

James and Mike play BS Zelda!
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[@CpnGame]

I'm with James - when I heard "BS Zelda", I assumed it was some sort of unfair romhack.

[@bryanedds8922]

YOU KNOW WHAT'S BS???

[@uncharted_bread]

@@bryanedds8922 Word pronunciations

[@sammyshehole]

@@bryanedds8922 Bull feces?

[@anthonyvasquez6113]

Somebody actually needs to make that into a rom hack, and put it on cartridges. The true "BS Zelda".

[@Liam3072]

To answer James' question, yes, a few japanese players did record their playing on VHS at the time and you can find videos online of the games being played with the audio being broadcasted in real time. Of course, since it was a broadcast, it meant everybody heard the same thing at the same moment, so it could play, like, the overworld theme while you were in a dungeon etc. There were voice acting but not of the on-screen characters obviously since there was no way to know which characters could be seen and what they were doing on the player screen at any given moment. The game and broadcast were synced however (hence the clock) and at specific time, some game actions would automatically take place synced with the audio. In this Zelda 1 remake, the game would pause and prompt you to listen closely to the broadcast. In the Zelda-3-like game, it would cast special powers, etc. It was a pretty interesting bit of technology but overall, the real time radio broadcast thing kinda limits how much you can do... like you can't even play music that is specific to where the player is located. Still fascinating though.

[@RodimusPrimal]

Here's a tip for you. Save and quit and then start up. You'll begin on the next week. Then Level 3 and 4 open up to you. Map 2 is the 4th Quest. The 2 characters besides Link are the BS mascots (boy and girl).

[@RodimusPrimal]

Okay, I found something out about the version you are playing. Press L+R+Y+B at the inventory screen to end the week. This is how you will progress.

[@bobbybobbinson]

You're helpful!

[@cyrussryken]

RodimusPrimal I've been looking all over for an answer haha and here on a comment on an avgn video, you come to the rescue! Thanks bro

[@rome5628]

Haha BS mascots!

[@KlausNESio]

Why does ganondorf hate the internet? Because there are too many links

[@live4marilyn]

😄

Fun fact: did you know are Bowser have self internet? Is called Internet Bowser

[@marlybobeats]

Yes!! Love it

[@rinzl3rs349]

Y u No Nintendo power this

[@cedhead619]

Nice. Love that.

[@gabrieleriva651]

Why the fuck Nintendo keeps these incredible games in their vault. They spent 20 fucking years before releasing Eartbound Zero outside Japan. There are some Snes Kirby games that were DISCOVERED just last year. And Nintendo is sitting on that. Among the Nes Mini stock.

[@pearlbestwaifu8753]

Mother 3.

[@lvl5Vaporeon]

Gabriele Riva At least zero came out. Mother 3 isn't getting that same treatment.

[@VarietyGamerChannel]

You can play this right now on your PC, it's called Zelda Classic and this is one of the 'quests'. Fans have made hundreds of quests.

[@paradoxzee6834]

Gabriele Riva What Kirby game?

[@iliketurtles2531]

Because not every gamers are nerds. Publishers have to calculate if releasing the game would pay off or not.

[@JiggyWiggyASMR]

This is *such* an interesting piece of Nintendo history I never knew about. How bizarre and fascinating!

[@JacobNintendoNerd99]

This isn't the actual BS Zelda, just a romhack of it made to be closer to the original Zelda. Link doesn't appear at all in the actual bs zelda and the game has full voice acting; the game is impossible to play on English SNES hardware. It also had true orchestral music from the official Zelda soundtracks, but only ancient stone tablets was entirely orchestral There does, however, exist a fandub for ancient stone tablets that you can run on a dedicated emulator and there exists a bs Zelda fan site where you can find this and play it

[@nykita427]

Jiggy Wiggy ASMR it is not a hack

[@ElleRoni]

Nikita Krivko As said, the original broadcast included only the girl and the boy in the baseball cap as playable characters (depending on the gender that particular satellaview console was signed up as), so having the option to play as Link is, indeed, a ROMhack. Not to mention all the translated text.

[@RodimusPrimal]

It may be a ROM hack, but it was designed to play on a Homebrew cart. That's what they are playing on.

[@ElleRoni]

RodimusPrimal Yeah, carts include ROMs. This is a hacked ROM on a cart. And that's okay.

[@SalameeQueijos]

"there was another one called triforce of the gods" Triforce of the gods is actually the original title for A Link to the past

[@ZipplyZane]

SalameeQueijos He meant Ancient Stone Tablets, which was a new quest based on the LttP engine. The Satelliview also broadcast vanilla Link to the Past, hence the mixup.

[@SalameeQueijos]

I understand what he meant... I was just correcting the sentence

[@ZipplyZane]

But others may not have.

[@HoudiniFontmeister]

I can confirm this as I own it.

[@carterstutzman4597]

Yep, I speak Japanese. The literal translation for "Zeruda no Densetsu: Kamigami no Triforce" is "The Legend of Zelda: Triforce of the Gods" or "The Gods' Triforce"

[@FireEggplant]

Love Cinemassacre, keep it up boys, been a fan since the website launched, so much talent and I feel like I am best friends with you guys

[@Doperooni]

I know right? I like these guys more than my IRL friends lol

[@mewgiah8057]

The reason themes song are not as common, is because most games/movies want the music to blend in to the background. In film, they actually use "temp music", where the director takes music from other sound tracks, and then puts them against scenes in the rough cut. Then he tells the composer to make something "similar to this". The same thing is happening in video games as well. So basically, most modern productions of games/film, they want the music to be like ambient/background and not be as up front. And they also use temp music in the editing process, since it's as easy as dragging and dropping - and pointing towards a composer, and telling them you want something like this.

[@jesselewis8247]

1 year later.....

[@ChinComet]

"OK, how long is it gonna take for them to make a joke with B--"

[@peterw4910]

My favourite Zelda enemy is the geiger counselman.

[@PimpinFAR]

Peter W yea those are tough

[@LotoTheHero]

Yessssss!!!!!

[@Dr0dd]

You know what's BS Zelda?

[@sloppyjoebreadbowl5184]

BS Stands for "brooown sticks"

[@noodlesnchill]

What did Zelda say to Link when he couldn't open the door? Triforce.

[@tonysmith1997]

Laura Keeble booooooo try again

[@Euroviking86]

How did Link win the basketball game for his team? He used his hookshot.

[@wheatleythebrick2276]

Lol those ones were at the fucking nintendo power page

[@squallsrapture]

Well excuuUUuuUUuUUUuuuse me.

[@Doperooni]

squallsrapture They need to make a LoZ game based on the cartoon. I'd die.

[@Moulinoski]

Triforce of the Gods is the Japanese title for A Link to the Past.

[@KatKawa87]

It just dawned on me that James and Mike could recreate the old Zelda commercial. Yes. The one with the rap.

[@WegraX]

I fucking knew there was going to be a bullshit joke and it didnt disappoint

[@JacobNintendoNerd99]

James, Mike, This isn't the actual BS Zelda, just a romhack of it made to be closer to the original Zelda. Link doesn't appear at all in the actual bs zelda and the game has full voice acting; the game is impossible to play on English SNES hardware. It also had true orchestral music from the official Zelda soundtracks, but only ancient stone tablets was entirely orchestral There does, however, exist a fandub for ancient stone tablets that you can run on a dedicated emulator and there exists a bs Zelda fan site where you can find this and play it

[@edwarddore7617]

I know you can get a Zelda cartridge, with a bunch of hacks, on etsy, I got the Super Metroid one it's pretty good, I like Hyper Metroid almost as much as the original, which is also included on the cart, 8 games in total, I believe the Zelda one has 7 or 8

[@ItsGroundhogDay]

"When the Nerd series was going on." I remember that.

[@kryskilgannon]

What's a Gerudo's favourite yogurt? Ganon.

[@TheLuna9526]

I get it.

[@wheatleythebrick2276]

TheLuna9526 I dont

[@inikeanuyah1649]

?

[@goreobsessed2308]

I had to look it up but then i got it lul

[@wheatleythebrick2276]

@@Blue-69-666 k

[@StevenUlyssesPerhero]

So what you guys had to do was buy the arrows in the shop, at which point it would have been replaced by the candle, and then you could have burned those bushes blocking your way. Or you could have waited for the event where the old man temporarily gives you the red candle, possibly. And yes, there are recordings of the original broadcasts up on KZbin. Someone even reuploaded them with English subtitles and annotations. Definitely worth a watch, in my opinion.

[@robertfreeman7916]

10:05 Goes into the store with 50 coins and 8 bombs Accidentally drops a bomb Leaves the store with 30 coins and 8 bombs That had me rolling when James simply says "whoops"

[@brandonmiller4595]

There were actually two different BS quests. I think map 1 was the "3rd quest" and map 2 was what is known as the "4th quest". You can continue on to find all eight dungeons on both maps.

[@averagejoe6971]

I remember losing the shooting sword effect when not at full health. My dad mapped the whole original game for months on graph paper, he even bombed EVERY wall for the secret caves and marked 'em.. EVERYTHING with colored pencils, even. I think it was nintendo power mag that published the whole game guide like a year after. Dad was OBSESSED with this game

[@EPeters208]

10:12 Mike doesn't realize he's full on bombs, burns one, and thus wastes 20 rupees.

[@adamjack1]

Wow, this is an incredible insight! I had to do a KZbin search after watching this and I found that the narrator would introduce things that would effect the gameplay. It would have been good for James and Mike to hear the voice to know when things changed in the game. For instance, there's a bit where all the monsters get killed on the screen for some reason; that was part of the narration where he casts a lightning spell.

[@MarcMarioMaster]

The boy and girl are mascot characters that belonged to the SatellaView. They also appeared in other games and I think the boy's hat also got used as a reference here and there. Would love to see a playthrough by Mike sometime.

[@alexsnow8894]

BS had a start and finish time. During this time a full music score, narratives and dialog were played.

[@KohlDayvhis]

When they say the original theme hasn't been used in ages wtf are they talking about lmfao, I've hears it in countless games over the years...

[@Thebrotherhoodofgaming]

the theme song is also in breath of the wild when you take on the castle and my god is it beautiful

[@eridener]

Heya! So, the reason they had to play at the same time was most likely because that is the time the satellite was in range. Back in the day, my friend had a satellite dish, and they had to constantly adjust to hit the right constellation and transponders. :)

[@jesselewis8247]

No shit, Sherlock

[@AZURAKAZ]

"Games that Yanks Can't Wank" by Larry Bundy is a great series on Euro exclusive games.

[@derekg6544]

Guinness?? No rolling rock?

[@roguecactus7]

Bilb Ono I had a friend who ate Guinness for breakfast.

[@KTF0]

Guinness from the bottle is gross

[@KTF0]

Bilb Ono You literally have to get a permit to serve Guinness correctly, otherwise, it'll be an overfoamy mess. It's a pretty meticulous pour for it to come out correctly. When it's done right it tastes great although it's on the filling side.

[@unicycleman666]

I don't like guinness that much but i'm going to assume you're mostly americans and haven't had a real guinness. No-one and i mean no-one outside of ireland can pour a guinness correctly. That's why they taste shit everywhere else.

[@unicycleman666]

You may like it, that doesnt mean it tastes the way its suppose to taste ;)

[@matthewlohmeier2056]

What I want to see more of is 8-bit Breath of the Wild. Apparently, the creators tested mechanics by making a top-down retro zelda. They really need to publish that version of the game!

[@PhillipCummingsUSA]

Like like is a highway in Hawaii.

[@chroma7247]

Capn Cummings yup

[@Doperooni]

Like like's a highway. I wanna ride it all night long.

[@Chishannicon]

Your conversations while you play games together are the best. I love you two dorks.

[@ArmorOfGod7]

This game has been on my to-play list for quite some time. I need to finally get around to that.

[@nostalgiajunkieakaetherethi677]

Playing in 2023 it's great !

[@b1oh1]

Just an FYI, you don't have to stop to go through those 4 way blocks with spikes. I used to do the same thing but I replayed the entire series a few years ago and realized you can just keep walking toward/through the doors in dungeons and they won't hit you.

[@Ouroboros112]

Call me crazy but I'd love a Zelda 2 remake/revamp

[@ThunderDragonRandy]

Even though Zelda II is my least favorite Zelda (and I still haven't beaten it), I too would like to see a remake but with improved controls and easier difficulty (in addition to graphics).

[@xBINARYGODx]

Easier? GIT GUD, SCRUB! I can beat Zelda 2 sleeping naked with both hands shoved up my mother's vagina! / teenage-edgy

[@Skeife]

BINARYGOD ironically, Dark Souls actually takes a fair bit of influence from Zelda 2.

[@vanukaspelle8334]

alain gaudreault zelda 2 is my least favorite zelda game (without cdi games and fanmade games) but its ur opinion i dont hate you :)

[@Ouroboros112]

VanukasPelle it's not my favorite but it has good potentiel something great could come out of it.

[@advang4820]

James raises a concern about why theme song is not a thing anymore, which is funny because it happened to his AVGN series before.

[@timothydrake5183]

It was advanced game sharing

[@yattibanks]

0:06 This is why i forever love James.

[@juan4allHD]

You know what's BS?! The title of this game!

[@davehowie03]

It’s super similar to how MARIO 35 is just going to go away when the live play time is over.

[@darkbbbbbbb]

I noticed that mike was a litle sad in this video, probably because he can' t mention zelda in a zelda game

[@pigs18]

As I recall reading, the voices weren't character voices, but the voice of a narrator that would be broadcast at certain intervals. You would hear the voice at the proper time regardless of where you were in the game.

[@MajinVegetaSsj2Final]

You guys should try "War Of The Monsters" on PS2! Cheers from Greece! :D

[@DuranmanX]

5:52 I hope he's talking about Terranigma, I hope he's talking about Terranigma

[@radicaldreamer9391]

Adrian Duran Word

[@Chanamasalex117]

I always like the games and the footage yall cover, on James & Mike, but my favorite part of each episode, every week, is the banter n conversation. Thanks fer sharin, guys!

[@Meteorlink]

zelda isn't even in this. truly bs

[@gwgux]

The boy and girl characters in BS Zelda were avatars you could choose for yourself on the BS system. There was a town you could go to on the BS system and you did so with your avatar.

[@z3roo0]

James should play Majora's Mask, I bet he'd love it.

[@AlejandroRodolfoMendez]

or AVGN. that will be gold

[@DJCube1701]

The random girl and guy (the girl they use for Map 2) is the Mascot for the Satellaview system.

[@WrongNumber76]

BROWN brick

[@Mickbarrel]

I just tried The Firemen, because you guys happened to mention it in this stream. Talk about a great game. Definitely one of the best man vs. environment game, and just a great game all around. Great gameplay, art, exploration is rewarded, etc. I can't believe this game wasn't released in NA considering it had an English translation already. Whatever, thanks for helping me discover a great game.

[@petercastillo2752]

The AVGN theme is becoming extinct

[@BazookaTooth707]

Peter Castillo I know, right? lol He's complaining about something he's guilty of doing, too lol

[@Wuss2ns]

I don't want to listen to that whole thing every time I watch a video.

[@petercastillo2752]

Matt Koester Skip ahead then 😂

[@megaflight56]

becuse this isnt avgn its mike and james monday

[@jesselewis8247]

@@user-nj5cl6xs4n Yeah, people are morons. And so am I haha

[@sakume7969]

Actually, according to legend, the term Like-Like comes from an old Hyrulean saying: "Shield Eaters and World Leaders have many likes alike."

[@YumeKojoCosplay]

They should play Sweet Home, it's a Famicom Horror RPG.

[@milesc.anthony2811]

I just downloaded this about four hours ago which is close to the time I learned that there even was a Nintendo satellite service. I found some other games for the service like "Choujin..." something. Fun stuff and a strange but cool "online" thingy.

[@tailsthebest123]

I know Hyrule Warriors did a pretty good Remix of the Old Zelda Theme and perfectly in the Adventure Mode Map may not be canon but was still used

[@xBINARYGODx]

No.

[@TBustah]

"The Firemen" was released in Japan too, North America is the only region that didn't get it. Since it's already in English, the European version is usually the one that people put on reproduction carts.

[@TheCludo]

Correct me if im wrong but i thought triforce of the gods is the japanese title for a link to the past

[@StevenUlyssesPerhero]

It is. For whatever reason, St. Giga just broadcasted vanilla Link to the Past at one point. I'm not sure why or if it included CD-quality music tracks during the broadcast or whatever, but it happened.

[@ZipplyZane]

It is. He got it mixed up with Ancient Stone Tablets, which was a whole new adventure using the LttP engine.

[@TheCludo]

ZipplyZane Ha knew it

[@cabbusses]

If anyone wants to get more of an idea how the game originally played, check makuchan's KZbin. makuchan has a playlist of BS Zelda, recorded from the actual Satellaview broadcast, with the original audio and all. The MSU1 BS Zelda hack is based off restoring the audio content from this recording.

[@gamerh0st]

b r o w n b r i c k s

[@ATDCanada]

If there is a video game history course offered in college, James would be a cool professor and Mike could be that TA who seems to be perpetually finishing up his post-doc thesis.

[@2468sfhk1]

You guys should play Legend of Zelda randomized.

[@Tacoguy777]

I remember playing this and the LttP one on an emulator. It was quite interesting finding out about these years ago.

[@WesHale]

So... Am I the only one who caught SKANG-TSUNG?

[@ThunderDragonRandy]

I saw that too

[@insectduel]

I want to see the AVGN episode of Hummer Team's MK series.

[@skylinefever]

There is one thing I am thankful for: For every 1 good game made in Japan and not sold in the USA, at least 10 of them are either mediocre or truly shitty. Back in February of 1999, I discovered emulators and ROMs and had a great time playing the fan-translated version of Final Fantasy 5. I played several Famicom and Super Famicom games. I also had a good laugh at the games that weren't sold in the USA. Here in the USA, one formula for a shitty game involves buying the rights to a movie and having someone build a game quickly enough to be sold alongside the movie. In Japan, someone buys the rights to an anime, and builds a game too quickly. Usually they are just a shitty attempt to copy Street Fighter II or Double Dragon.

[@falcoperegrinus2292]

9:45 - it was in Majora's Mask in the overworld. Also used as the overworld theme in Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons. Full theme heard in both Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword during the staff roll. It's better to use that theme as call backs in various tracks throughout the game and the full theme in the ending. That's the best approach to me. New, originally composed overworld themes that reference it are a great approach too.

[@HAPPYPANDA53]

breakfast sandwich Zelda 👍

[@Dwedit]

Okay, this is one of the older hacks of the game, possibly thrown onto a reproduction cartridge. A lot has happened since that hack came out. For instance, there are newer hacks with full subtitles of what the original broadcast was saying during gameplay, including the timed events.

[@Matt-gh2zm]

You aren't playing this on the original broadcast?? You filthy emulator users

[@Msf1011]

Matt He got a homebrew cartridge.

[@pingASS_]

>emaulator >playing in a snes

[@SeboHyatt]

I get the joke.

[@blazefirer]

its a homebrew cart that they are running on the snes

[@SYratherripped]

homebrew carts are just roms downloaded from the internet flashed onto them. carts of BS Zelda prove this because it never was released on cartridge and is only available on the internet as a ROM these days.

[@nensondubois]

Perfectly working with sd2snes. I actually dumped the SNES Burn-in Test Cart that holds the Zelda II remix that was supposedly the only remnant of the BS Zelda II that was shown in a few magazine screenshots.

[@Fries101Reviews]

when is the AVGN Review of Zelda Link's Awakening Coming out

[@thefallenone1718]

That's the Zelda where link comes out of the closet.

[@dev639]

Broadcasting data is different than broadcasting audio, game data is digital and radio audio is analog, so the voices were made like any other game had them made. If you heard the data of the broadcast through a speaker on a analog equipment, it would sound like static and beeps, even when sound data would play. Also sound was one of the biggest deals about the dawn of the CD media in home console gaming.

[@codyrobinson1318]

Nintendo should remake zelda 1 in the lttp engine

[@thunderforceninja5445]

let's face it, any video James and Mike do that has the Chrono trigger poster is even more awesome.

[@ultraviolator85]

Please Play Terranigma on snes.

[@Nelcyon]

Seriously, Mike & James... you NEED to try the ALTTPRANDOMIZER (A Link to the Past Randomizer) From the Github: " The basic idea is that all item locations in the game have their items shuffled around… so for example you never know what you’re going to find when you open a treasure chest! There are many item locations in the game beyond treasure chests, for example overworld heart pieces and NPC’s that give you items - these are all included too! The VT Randomizer is a web based rom patcher that will allow you to make a randomized rom from one you supply. It is meant to always have the newest things available as the Randomizer team develops them."

[@Hayastantzi92]

nice

[@michaelsmythe7836]

I didnt own a famicon but one of my best friends lives in Japan. he said that you would get rewards and sometimes even a plus like you would walk onto into a room and they would kill all the enemies or whatever it was a good idea back then. It was games like this that helped them perfect online gaming.

[@leafyfeathers]

Who else clicked on this video seeing them play a extremely hard Zelda hack

[@britishcig5462]

Nobody

[@jesselewis8247]

I know I may say some stupid shit on the internet, but...why do people say REALLY stupid shit on the internet?

[@rowletgamer2663]

If James ends up not liking Majora's Mask, I want him to do a Nerd episode on it.

[@andreavasquez4355]

Conglaturation, you predicted the future.

[@deltaprime3509]

Recommendation alien isolation

[@TheShinakuma20]

The boy and the girl characters are the mascots for the "Satellaview" service that this game was broadcast on. They haven't appeared in any other versions of Zelda outside of the BS series. Apparently its only the 3rd time a female character has been a lead character option. Nice to finally see it in action!

[@cactusjesus9377]

Nice trivia ^^

[@ACBlackJ0ck]

More like The BS Legend Of Zelda

[@SnailToothGaming]

Fun Fact: The original Zelda was eventually released on a famicom cartridge as well, but not until 1994!

[@Imaculata]

Gets map. Map shows there is no room to the north. Places bomb to the north. GG

[@Imaculata]

Yes I have.

[@BaconSenpai]

There's multiple rooms in the original that aren't on the map. Usually it's just an NPC that talks to you though.

[@BaconSenpai]

What does sparse have to do with anything? They exist, period, which is a valid reason to bomb everywhere.

[@Imaculata]

That is a complete waste of bombs. There's a logic to where the hidden rooms are, and they are few.

[@KBcollision]

The LOZ theme is in BOTW during the final part in the castle and it feels so epic!

[@dominicaranda5196]

Hah

[@mmc1474]

The Legend Zelda Majora's Mask is the best game ever!!!

[@2682shark]

Ocarina of Time is a better overall game..

[@edwarddore7617]

Best is relative, but my favorite is LTTP

[@sersoft_corp]

We all know what BS really stands for. I'll like two number 9's, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45's, one with cheese, and a large soda.

[@dominicaranda5196]

So funny

[@wolfff540]

i am pooping

[@cruststuffer3052]

wolfff540 N I C E

[@pizzamon795]

we're all pooping

[@philstevens2584]

wolfff540 me too!

[@eccoakadicco]

i wonder what yoshi's eggs smell like haha

[@almostalways]

You mean shitting

[@AndrewAmbrose]

New ghostbusters 2 was famicom. It was made by Hal labs and is one of many examples of famicom games only released in Europe. Another great example is Devil World from Nintendo.

[@piercethru69]

zeldauniverse.net/forums/Thread/53859-Zelda-Jokes/ "aquamentus sent us" is already a joke mike

[@JamesNintendoNerd]

Joshua Chu Yeah.. look at the username that posted the joke -Mike

[@piercethru69]

Bahahaha, whoops!

[@TheBrokenLife]

You got rekt, G.

[@TyrannoJack]

holy shit you got rekt

[@theaether3124]

Almost made the same slip up

[@TwilightAdvance]

You guys are mistaken, The legend of Zelda main theme is on every single game except twilight princess if i am not mistaken. Thought the song plays usually during end credits as a honor to original title. On Breath of the wild the arranged version from the song is played during secret ending with Zelda.

[@geefreck]

Yet another game Mike couldn't go through without mentioning Zelda

[@FreeScience]

Maybe someone mentioned it, but the Zelda overworld theme is used in Majora's Mask as the Termina Field theme.