Battle Masters - Board James (Episode 15)

Sometimes, bigger isn't always better. James Rolfe and Mike Matei look in the board game closet and find one of the largest board games on the market: Battle Masters. Created by Milton Bradley, this strategic war game is one large behemoth. However, is this game simply too much for the two guys to handle? Well, there's only one way to know; by watching the video. Warning: couch moving and confusing rule explaining are all included in the package. Buckle your seatbelts.
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[@CatchingAllTheSouls]

Does the AVGN know that Board James sneaks into his house to play board games when he isn't home?

[@irony373]

@Jessie Guerrero yeah but story wise its kinda weird

[@somefries3101]

@Aggressive Tubesock the same person but two personalities, rude

[@Lakest02]

Aggressive Tubesock r/woosh

[@reptile1677]

Their the same person dumbass 🖕

[@kennithball9787]

Perhaps,

[@DarthRushy]

James: "You wanna be a man, right?" Mike: "I don't know."

[@oskartheguy2105]

Mike says trans rights.

[@TristanBomber]

/r/egg_irl

[@robinbanks3186]

@@oskartheguy2105 he's about 40% sure

[@maggotsworryguts]

@@robinbanks3186 I understand the joke, but I'll let other people figure it out

[@reason9262]

@@robinbanks3186 kek

[@ZorotheGallade]

"So, what does the tower do?" (Tower falls apart)

[@thegrandxbunny2073]

Me.

[@buzrun23]

I had that game when I was young, now being grown up I really have to give props to my dad for having the patience to play this with me. ALL DAY! Thanks Dad:)

[@JasonGarrick]

Was anyone else expecting Kyle Justin to be behind the futon?

[@faolan1686]

Yes

[@Yakiv_Real]

I was

[@paulerate]

HGEgehEH Go TO tRutHContEStCoM, reAD tHe preSEnt`5

[@lonesomebaird897]

totally was

[@user-tg7cs7qz9k]

hes always there, you dumb ass he livess there

[@godzillavkk]

If I had this game I'd have a third player referred to as the Battlemaster who looks at the rule book and helps the players out. Because with a game this complicated, both players are likely going to need help.

[@mergus]

That's how role-playing games got started.

[@snugglyjeff214]

It was actually really simple. My 8 year old brain grasped it just fine

[@CODMarioWarfare]

A lawyer?

[@godzillavkk]

*Giggles. Not quite.

[@godzillavkk]

Kudos to you.

[@cactuschef3]

It's like playing civilization MANUALLY

[@kokodoko8036]

Many people have played Civilization manually! Like Stalin, or Napoleon.

[@dalazo]

+Prototype Gonzalez Luckely Ghandi didn´t, otherwise we´d be nuked already

[@HawooAwoo]

+Cactus Chef Lucily combat is streamlined by a couple dice rolls. There are, however, a few exceptions. See pages 12, 17, 20, 36, and 42.

[@bilibiliism]

Taikō 秀吉 Not really. even the most authoritarian dictator dont do everything themselves, oversee every battle, do all decisions. They set the rules, and their generals and officials taking cares of the details.

[@PhoenixAlaris93]

Personally, I'd rather play Age of Empires

[@LongLongLists]

"You could wrap up an ORGANGUTAAAANG"

[@paranotickraken3208]

LongLongLists rewatchig this series, im glad somebody thought that was funny aswell

[@timnicenips3234]

😂😂

[@UrinalJournal]

That part gets me everytime

[@Ibangedyourmum69]

The way he says it

[@Silly-Goose-OG]

1:33

[@siegfriedmeyke6631]

Holy crap. This is complicated and huge! Wow, I recognize a lot of those pieces. My grandparents had a lot of the knights, fences, horses, and walls in a toy box. I would always play with them and always wondered where they came from, because I liked the knights a lot.

[@aimfuldrifter]

Nice story.

[@jakejames3067]

Definitely not complicated, they make it seem like it is in the video. Ive had this game since i was like 10 it was always a blast to play. Takes like 10 min to read and understand rules as a kid.

[@GentleHeretic]

I've only just seen this, and already I'm in love with this game.

[@ertk115]

I thought that the guitar guy from AVGN, would make an appearance, with the couch part.

[@ChazWalsh]

+Ertk115 - JakobSB He doesn't exist inside the Board James world, just AVGN. :P

[@DarthRushy]

+ChazWalsh Isn't it the same world now?

[@ertk115]

ChazWalsh Yeah. DarthRushy James explained that the AVGN and BJ are two personalities.

[@RaxoFilms]

Ertk115 - JSBJacob two personalities but the same person

[@ama1212]

The cinemassacre cinematic universe don't exist yet

[@chrishoskavich2435]

I loved this game when I was a kid. Once I got into my teens I used the box to hide my Playboys.

[@kinghadbar]

Girls will NEVER look there!

[@snakehub6160]

how many could you fit in there

[@twinsofcomedy6923]

That’s Terrible! That a kid would be opening through and find that!

[@BigBoy257]

✋ high five

[@lozerable]

@@snakehub6160 Some things may never be never known

[@librapaladin81]

This game is actually REALLY FUN and FAR LESS COMPLICATED than James makes it out to be. Learning the rules and set-up does take some time, but it's worth it. Once the game gets started, it rolls along quickly and is full of great strategy, even for beginners of the game! My 9 year old nephew played it and absolutely loved it!

[@Powerhouse1]

This game looks like it'll be fun if you're playing with the right people.

[@Klik0man1]

I wonder if this episode ties in with the Board James story. If it does, then the board games they use to see how many of them fit in the "Battle Masters" board are really interesting. Think about it: Sorry!(sorry that he killed his friends or at least thinks he does?), Clue (speaks for itself), Guess Who?(who is the murderer?), Game of Life and so on. Maybe far fetched, maybe not .

[@AlluMan96]

+TerrionGaming Unfortunately, this episode pre-dates narrative Board James and Dream phone, so while the idea is solid, it is more likely a coincidence than not. I don't know how long Board James has been planned to go the direction it did, so it might also be a clever sense of foreshadowing in that case.

[@phillipwalling7470]

One hell of a Foreshadow, too.

[@dogsqueeze3001]

3:52 "Why does it friggin' take so long to set up a game?" - Mike You sir haven't played Axis and Allies.

[@SynGirl32]

War of the Ring would like to have a chat.

[@willburdette8065]

I absolutely LOVED this game when I was a kid

[@willburdette8065]

Yep

[@photographicsynthesis6781]

It would be hilarious if guitar guy from avgn was behind the couch when they moved it

[@harudevil2191]

Z.E.S. Yeah I miss Kyle

[@chillydawgg4354]

or his skeleton like that one Halloween one

[@manospondylus]

Total War: the Board Game

[@Uvealkiller4fun]

+Pedro Lammel wouldnt call it it civ because not city building or anthing like tresearches and techs are available its just total war on hex grid or warhammer lite.

[@godzillavkk]

And yet it's still better then Age of Shitmar.

[@refuottsffej]

Disappointed Turtle i

[@hazukichanx408]

It seems to be literally Warhammer: The Board Game. Very slightly less convoluted than the "full" version...

[@alicyjinx8923]

@@hazukichanx408 this was actually made by Games Workshop, and the inclusion of the "Imperial Army" and the "Chaos Raiders" makes me think this game takes place inside the Warhammer Fantasy universe.

[@davidspring4003]

wait...Chaos Forces? Imperial Army? Is this from the Warhammer universe?

[@MFCOOM]

yes and so is heroquest,they both are set in the warhammer fantasy universe.

[@davidspring4003]

Amir Pasvinter wow, Mako knew something I didn't. That's surprising.

[@Burn_Angel]

Actually, I thought only about Warcraft.

[@rowantritton8659]

Burn Angel but then WarCraft was born from Warhammer too :D

[@hazukichanx408]

Just as Warhammer was born from Tolkien. All things draw inspiration from existing things to some extent; even a caveman couldn't paint something he couldn't imagine. Admittedly, there is some difference in how much content is carried over, and how much it changes (if at all).

[@DonkeyKnuckleChuck]

You could wrap up an oragOTANG!

[@jbrown1169]

I got this game as a Christmas gift when I was a kid. I spent more time putting the thing together and applying all the stickers to the shields/flags/bases than I actually did playing it. I played one game with my dad once I got it all together, which was kind of fun. Then once at a sleepover I played it with 3 other friends but we never finished because it turned into a big fist fight once we figured out the other two kids had marked the Mighty Cannon cards and were cheating.

[@compdddd]

haha

[@PrimeroJinJusuke]

It's not a board game. It's a mat game.

[@Cyann33andaThird]

+Jin Jusuke Mat James

[@aimfuldrifter]

That's true Jin.

[@jackharris8661]

Jin Jusuke kkk

[@johnnypimpinz5202]

It's not a boardgame... IT'S AN ARANGATANNNGGG!!!!!

[@JohnnyBGoode1122]

Holy crap, this game puts Risk to shame.

[@fountaincap]

Actually, after watching this, I thought to myself, "What's another strategy board game where you have the fun of pushing armies across a map but something simpler to learn?" Risk came to mind. You've got infantry, cavalry and artillery. Simple and beautiful. :)

[@ilovehertodeath]

fountainhead I can't play Risk. My dad always wins it lol.

[@OrlopRat42]

It's a very simplified version of tabletop miniature wargaming.

[@Genrevideos]

Or War-hammer.

[@Genrevideos]

Isaiah Marquez Or War-Hammer 40k

[@OrlopRat42]

Isaiah Marquez True.

[@Fashri]

This game, and Hero-Quest were made by Games-Workshop, who also made the Warhammer Fantasy Battle, and Warhammer 40k. They even talk about Empire and Chaos in both games. Connect the dots.

[@Supernov4]

Poor mans fantasy battle.

[@hoseinbmr3449]

1:52 I was surprised that the guitar guy wasn't behind that 😂

[@zapproowsdower]

If you have a group of 2-4 people who like board games, and you have a couple hours to burn, this game is pretty badass. The rules are many, but fairly straightforward - once learned it goes pretty smoothly.

[@ziljin]

loves how they made all these complicated board games.

[@TheSonnyworld]

ziljin Probably cause D&D was popular.

[@TransformersBoss]

“This definitely seems like my type of game” = “this seems like a game where it would be easy to cheat!” -Mike

[@WhiskeyTobin]

Two types of board gamers: Casuals: I don't think I wanna play this Hardcore: YES!!!!

[@THMCTerracraft2]

Hey, you moved the cauch, where is guitar guy???

[@mr.stockimageman9648]

THMCTerracraft HE DED

[@RhythmGrizz]

"cauch"

[@videomakermiller8188]

couch

[@JacksonSTUFF777]

ABBA

[@chillydawgg4354]

it's called a davenport

[@AustralianPhenomena]

"wrap up an OranGUTAYNGE" xD

[@joeypyron3218]

+AustralianPhenomena That's my favorite Cinemassacre quote ever!

[@gezi5927]

AustralianPhenomena orangOtAanGgggggg

[@Pookie2112]

might as well just play warhammer

[@rakketytam4573]

***** that's what I thought, in fact the art of the box looks like it was ripped from a warhammer rule book lol XD

[@Diaord]

Rakkety Tam It's made by GW...

[@rakketytam4573]

Robin de Oliveira ooooooooooooooh

[@KossolaxtheForesworn]

Jonathan Lindström warhammer players...more income than you since the 80's.

[@ericstoverink6579]

It's made by the same company as Warhammer. It's supposed to be a mini version. It's really not as complicated as they made it seem.

[@spencers5898]

This is the organic chemistry of board games. Every rule has an exception, every exception has an exception, and normally when things happen it's because reasons.

[@24yrukdesigner]

Loved this game. It's like the Extremist of board games!

[@torylva]

Sounds like warhammer lite. Seriously, if you have played warhammer 40k/fantasy with more than 5k points it is going to take a while. Unless you know the rules, which reduces the time drastically.

[@judeasher706]

You don't know how much I agree

[@EadricRicmund]

+Tor Nordmark i dunno.. i find warhammer significantly easier to understand than this game. It is much more streamlined now and information are not archaic. Once you get it down you don't really need to constantly refer to the rule book unless you are playing against rule lawyers that wants you to check everything.

[@4thSurviver]

+Tor Nordmark I remember my dad got this game off of Ebay, and he didn't read the full description so the game was missing the units. So he went and got a bunch of Warhammer Fantasy miniatures to use instead. Pieces matched up perfectly.

[@lookslikeEzio]

I'd love to play a 5000 points warhammer game, just that a 5000 points army alone Costa more than in earn in one month. I could fill those rankt with baneblades and all that stuff, but that is still really expensive.

[@northernilgamingclub6782]

+Tor Nordmark Well it was made by GW and Milton Bradley. It's even got the old WHFB (RIP) tag line.

[@schwarzerritter5724]

And this is just Warhammer light. You can actually kill someone with the rulebook for the real Warhammer.

[@Azdrerios]

Maybe I shouldn't ask, but how do you know that?

[@Israel_Vazquez]

Azdrerios it's thick and heavy

[@FlSKMASTER]

How do you know that? Personal experience...?

[@basition]

dude half most of that book was extra crap. but year 8th ed could kill a man

[@csantos9173]

Shit I remember the kids who painted their Warhammer figurines... I was always nice to them but God were they bullied so hard for being virgins

[@mickeymouse12678]

This game looks more complicated than calculus.

[@resedoso00680]

I back you up

[@cameronsprague101]

Guru Laghima nope

[@jakejames3067]

They misrepresent the complexity of this game. Played it as a kid and its a lot of fun and far from complicated.

[@ericstoverink6579]

It's not really. You could make candyland seem complicated if you read all the rules in a video.

[@DMBLaan]

That map is bigger than some Warhammer Tables! Also would have been funny if they found Kyle behind the futon, lol, maybe as a skeleton

[@coachrenaldo]

I feel like if the instruction manual was more concise and the game allowed for a faster pace, then this wouldn’t be so bad. But I think we can all agree that that box art is incredible. It’s like something straight out of a Warhammer art book!

[@IPv6Freely]

Man, I wish I still had my Battle Masters set...

[@joesmashbro6817]

"I've had carpets smaller than this game!" x'D

[@optimusidol]

i wanted this board game just because of the artwork

[@jeffreykeffer4352]

Hero Quest and Battle Masters , everybody's introduction to the world of Warhammer

[@RinAldrin]

Never realized until this show how many lite TTRPG and tabletop war games existed. Kinda the casual versions to those games

[@DarkmanPoe]

“You can wrap up an orangu-TANG!” 😂

[@SirCookieTheThird]

I think I just found out where Sid Meier got his inspiration from.

[@alexfleming6655]

what from games workshop? warhammer> are you serious?

[@SirCookieTheThird]

Farfig Neuten I don't even play Civ anymore. lol cool it

[@PhelanVelvel]

That Spread shirt is awesome.

[@boohiss83]

I got this game as a kid and enjoyed playing it, even if we forgot most of the terrain rules throughout each game. Otherwise the game was pretty simple to learn. That plastic castle was the biggest pain to put together! And you had to disassemble it each time to get it back in the box. I do remember one thing that I thought was going to be brought up. On the back of the box, everything is shown painted up nice. Then you open the box up to find all single color models. And everything was on sprue sheets so you had to slowly cut or twist TONs of plastic pieces out and assemble everything. I think I spent the day after Christmas just doing that.

[@ZeroGrowth]

Imagine getting this game when you were a kid. You see at it a store and beg your mom for it because it looks cool, she says "All right, but it counts as your birthday present". You get it home, open it up...and then have to re-arrange furniture, spend a whole afternoon setting the game up, and then once you start playing you have to contently reference the instruction booklet to figure out what you're doing.

[@bunnyfreakz]

James and Mike should do more board games

[@daveincognito]

I got this game for Christmas a bunch of years ago. I was so excited to play it, but nobody ever wanted to play it. I never did get a chance to play it.

[@Superfudgeism]

same here, i used to play by myself with it all the time.

[@ethanboyd6885]

daveincognito Thats a real bummer guys (daveincognito and Bennie Duncan) because this game was and is awesome ! Proven by the fact that you guys could play it with yourselves and no doubt still enjoy it, yes ?

[@spudd86]

Not quite as insane as the Europa Universalis board game, which actually is what the video game is based on. it's MAD.

[@whyisthereasockoverthere6092]

i do appreciate the tootsie roll joke, pretty funny mike!

[@AtlasBlizzard]

Any more complicated and this becomes a full-fledged Warhammer game.

[@genebaker511]

I was hoping Kyle Justin would be behind the couch.

[@BurntFaceMan]

the pre-requisite to Warhammer Fantasy=P

[@toshineon]

Holy shit, it's like Heroes of Might and Magic, except it takes longer.

[@Metalman200xdamnit]

Love the Spread gun shirt. The Spread gun was like divine power to punish.

[@pearldan]

either i dont have a life..or (most possibly) i really enjoy ALL your videos man..i surprised myself 3 night in the last week watchin your skits for hours ! keep em comin!

[@yoursonisold8743]

That's why you play complicated strategy games as video games only. This tried to be more than a board game. Too much microplay.

[@ahjgbhlahgaohgl]

it's like civ the board game, too much shit goes on every turn

[@yoursonisold8743]

ahjgbhlahgaohgl Agreed. Civ is only still managable because of the system handling most of the stuff for you... as a board game it would be true hell.

[@ahjgbhlahgaohgl]

there is a civ board game and that's what i was talking about. every time i've played it someone always wins because of a tech victory, which means the game is flawed in it's design

[@HandicapMafia]

Guys, guys, guys. You're supposed to paint all the pieces first. Fail.

[@Dillinify]

This must've cost a fuckton when it came out (probably even more now due to rarity)

[@Mothlord03]

what does rarity have to do with it? she did nothing wrong.

[@TheAutisticBrony]

Maybe she gave the game a really shining review, and now everyone is overpricing it.

[@jorgito93700]

Trumanchap productions mlp reference ?

[@Mothlord03]

jorgito93700 i'm sorry.

[@jorgito93700]

Trumanchap productions No problem, i like MLP too

[@LukeDodge916]

I had this and Hero Quest. Never got to fully experience them because me and my friends couldn't tear away from the video games...

[@Debg91]

I love Board James' surprise face Ö

[@jamespope2632]

Play Nightmare the old-school VHS game

[@Plasmathedeathjester]

board james warhammer age of sigmar

[@DrewPicklesTheDark]

"It uses cards." "...I think I want to play this, this seems like my kind of game."

[@lifeisoverated81]

Loved this game as a kid.

[@eridener]

Heh, great game. I remember playing this game as a kid. Basically it worked like this. There was a big ass table in my friends basement we normally used for Battletech, and we'd play, take breaks come back and play more. It was a multiday affair.

[@darthlobster]

This reminds me of The Cones of Dunshire.

[@cesarquinteros2511]

still a better game than clash of clans

[@puffnisse]

Antonio Mendieta But no Legend27.

[@puffnisse]

***** No, it sucks because it's just a clone of other similar games.

[@TheGollddMAN]

Hey when you moved the couch, where's Kyle Justin? Shouldn't he be behind the couch?

[@taimak123]

Wrong show

[@TheGollddMAN]

taimak123 Wrong show or not, that guy has to be behind the couch. It's not like Board James and AVGN has two different couches that look same in the same house. XD

[@Omardtown1]

He went to go buy a new guitar. Because avgn broke it.

[@BizarePlayer]

Parallel universe?

[@_Baby_Moses_]

You can fit about 235,000 battle masters inside of the area of Vatican City, assuming nothing gets in the way of laying it down.

[@level98bearhuntingarmor]

reminds me of the Warhammer tabletop with the figures, the Orkz, Chaos, and the Empire

[@tristanlewthwaite4881]

You think thats complicated? You should play wh40k. Ive played it for 8 years, and im 16 now. I still dont completely know all the rules. But, its extremely fun to play. Do a video about it!

[@Dan-uo6vi]

Good thing these guys don't get into warhammer.

[@judeasher706]

Yeh

[@ayylmao575]

Cuffs I wish they did.

[@godzillavkk]

They would then have to play a horrid game called Age of Sigmar.

[@jarosromody2759]

Warhammer light

[@fibroid3882]

What it’s like to play WARHAMMER 40K: fun and also looks amazing, but you really need to familiarize yourself with the rules and layouts

[@ZeroGrowth]

LOL. The way he says it makes it hilarious. I went back a few times just to hear that line.

[@gartrax]

warhammer pre-alfa

[@sethwarner644]

Yeah just stick with a game of checkers.

[@NorthStarBlue1]

With all the pieces that game has, it probably costs more than a Warhammer 40K rulebook and a decent set of miniatures would.

[@SnazzyZubloids]

I played this game once with a friend after he bought it for me for my birthday or something like that... then we boxed it up and agreed to never speak of it again.

[@The_Last_Norman]

My inner child comes out every time I watch an episode of these :D

[@declaration14]

A lot of aesthetic and naming similarities to Warhammer

[@CrashGordon94]

declaration14 It's actually a Warhammer Fantasy spinoff game.Kinda like what Space Hulk and the like are to 40k

[@TatsukiHashida]

It's not a board game, it's a carpet game

[@ubermenschmexa]

2:59 Bronies in a nutshell.

[@slendy9600]

not really.... all the bronys i know hate that stuff since people generalise and assume that its "bronys in a nutshell"

[@PhyreI3ird]

You're thinking Cloppers, not Bronies. Not many Bronies are Cloppers and (although i can only guess) I'm pretty sure that not very many Cloppers are actually Bronies.

[@TheSkyrimandyogscast]

Yoy Hue Your bullshit for saying a stereotype is the truth.

[@tomatoseller29]

That scream is now burned into my memory and shall haunt my dreams for years to come

[@liamcastro9896]

This video makes me want a angry board game nerd but board James was still awesome

[@chs-jp3xv]

wait a empire with canons chaos with mages and stuff ITS A WARHAMMER BOARD GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@alexfleming6655]

if you cant play this dont play warhammer

[@henrybierman8431]

Is this like poor man's warhammer

[@valkor73]

loved this as a kid on snowy days

[@piedude67]

I love board James... More board James please....

[@faolan1686]

Be a man and play Warhammer instead.

[@lLostGems]

2cool4me

[@Father_Wendigo]

The one game with rules shittier than Battle Masters. :P

[@faolan1686]

Father Wendigo Yeah, but you get to spend thousands of dollars on plastic models and paint and books and magazines.

[@thegreatagitator4675]

Men don't play Warhammer, only basement dwelling neckbeards do.

[@faolan1686]

The Great Agitator You're right. real men paly D&D. :-p

[@doctoradventure413]

I wish the series went on and they covered Space Crusade and Blood Bowl

[@nitehawk86]

6:21 Love the question montage.

[@HiroiSekai]

"This game looks too complicated, I don't wanna play it" "It uses cards instead of dice" "MUST PLAY NOW"

[@basition]

literally 25 years and the knightly order knights haven't changed. thanks gw