Terminal Lucidity of the Feminine

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Jung To Live By

Jung To Live By

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@silentforest2894
@silentforest2894 Жыл бұрын
Best channel on KZbin. I have lightbulb after lightbulb moment as a result of the work you are putting out. We really need you. Thank you for all you do.
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi @silentforest2894, thank yo uso much for your very kind words, they're very encouraging for us to hear. Blessings and Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline.
@deepshadow1
@deepshadow1 Жыл бұрын
@@JungToLiveBy for the concept of shadow we shouldn't put limits and say what not to do to our partner because otherwise the shadow will always have more pressure to do that forbidden thing?
@95TurboSol
@95TurboSol Жыл бұрын
We are very blessed to have this channel, very valuable information!!
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Blessings @95TurboSol, that means a lot. Kinsdest Regards, Steve & Pauline.
@danielapanks
@danielapanks Жыл бұрын
Wow - that intro brought an emotional affect that filled me with a deep sense of responsibility to make things right again. I’m reminded of the Handless Maiden and her journey. She never allowed herself to be a victim of it. Through her trials and tribulations she finally came home to her instinct (the roots of the forest) where she grew her hands back so she could create her own life. I am inspired by the way you gently yet firmly lay out what you see, empirically, through your work with real people. Those maladaptive complexes are no longer running the show because they aren’t ME! A meta instinctive narrative of cultivating the land within community I can feel so deeply in my bones. One step at a time. Thank you James, Pauline, and Steve✨
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi again, @misspanks, thank you so much for your very kind comments, and yes, there is a parallel with the Handless Maiden, and her journey! Thanks too, for sharing your success on your own personal journey, that, is insirational, for us all! Best Wishes, Pauline and Steve.
@benhennessy-garside2302
@benhennessy-garside2302 Жыл бұрын
... you got me welling up again. Bless you!
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi again @benhennessy-garside2302, recirocally to you, Blessings! Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline
@nathanwilliams-prince3127
@nathanwilliams-prince3127 Жыл бұрын
As Pauline talked about the women who worked on the land, she described them having a love affair with the land. It reminded me of the phrase 'you and the land are one', from the 1981 film Excalibur, which Steve has mentioned before. Pauline also talks about the small things in the lives of those women that were imbued with so much importance. I feel that demonstrates a healthy relating with a normal everyday lived life, that brings such a depth of meaning to life, which is lacking in the current culture. But being conscious of this, and consciousness being key in these times, will help us to distance ourselves from unhealthy influences from the culture, and relate positively to ourselves, to each other and to the land. Thank you again Pauline, Steve and James for another inspirational and deeply meaningful video
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Blessings @nathanwilliams-prince3127, thank yo uso much for your comment, and for your committment to the future of others, as a professional. Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline
@janik4684
@janik4684 Жыл бұрын
That is a very astute observation. Thank you for sharing your insight.
@thyself8004
@thyself8004 Жыл бұрын
I’m currently reading “Cynical Therapies” edited by Dr. Val Thomas and this video is hugely informative and grounding for me as I work my way through that book. One part that really stuck out to me is when you guys said that women and men need to view each other as complimentary partners rather than competitive rivals. That truly seems to get at the heart of what is going wrong and what needs to be done to return the culture to equilibrium. Thank you so much for this video. Your message is both entirely accurate and incredibly compassionate and inspirational.
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi again, @thyself8004, thank you so much for your thougthtful and kind comment. Dr Val Thomas, is a principled and ethical practitioner, of the best traditional values of depth psychology and psychotherapy. I concur with you, in highly recommending her book. Kindest Regards, Steve.
@NerisX
@NerisX Жыл бұрын
Thank you for bringing my attention to this book. I read half so far, just finished chapter about AASECT and it is shocking and scary. Luckily I don't live in USA.
@dddd_-_
@dddd_-_ Жыл бұрын
Not a day goes by where I don't question what's on that gigantic bookshelf
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Thanks, @ddd_-_ it’s the overspill 😇. Kindest Regards, Steve
@alexrollinson-salter399
@alexrollinson-salter399 Жыл бұрын
Wow! Amazing video guys, thank you 🙏🏼🌞 I really felt the resonance when Pauline was talking about the Land Army. What a beautiful demonstration of womens strength and resilience, without being infused with toxicity, hatred or superiority to men. Doing it for the instinctive need to feed and nurture the land and it’s people. Very beautiful 😌! What really summed it all up for me was when Steve said “[Women] need to become conscious of the fact they have a context which includes men. And equality is simply that which will emerge out, at a humanistic level, from relating properly to the other”. Many young women do seem to be in denial of their full biopsychosocial context with men, and, themselves. I hope the women of my generation are guided to a path of healing and healthier relating. Many of us have work to do on this front. I am thankful for being on this path myself, and appreciate JTLBs contribution to this. Thanks again for the video and I’d love to see more videos like this🙏🏼
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Blessings @alexrollinson-salter399, thanks for your kind words, and for sharing your deep insight and understanding of the challenges faced by your generation, and of the way ahead. Kindest Regards, & Best Wishes, Steve & Pauline
@edvardwinn932
@edvardwinn932 Жыл бұрын
Nearly stood up from the sofa and made a standing ovation to Pauline's crystal clear insights. What a wonderful thing to be part of IPSA. Thank you Steve, James and Pauline, immense respect for the three of you. Blessings / Edvard
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi again @edvardwinn932, that's a lovely sentiment. and very much appreciated! Best Wishes, Pauline
@fionaparker
@fionaparker Жыл бұрын
Can't wait for Pauline's book to be published. Excellent video. Thank you !
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi again, @fionaparker. thank you for your kind encouragement! It means a lot... Best Wishes, Pauline
@jakeford8916
@jakeford8916 Жыл бұрын
Pauline speaking about the women in the land army brought back some clear memories of my great grandmother who would tell her stories from her time in the service. She would talk about how they would have regular airraids and would all hide under tables and places in the house and then back out to work and carry on as normal when it was over. She loved it, from her stories and had many fond memories. Pauline added a great sense of meaning to what that may have meant for her and her friends who she served with.
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Blessings @jakeford8916, thank you for sharing that 'family memory', its very respectful of you to do so, to the life of your great-grandmother. Best Wishes, Pauline
@paulatreides0777
@paulatreides0777 Жыл бұрын
A very important topic the ramifications for the UK are already huge, so glad you are covering this deeply.
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi again @paulatreides7577, thanks for your ongoing support and encouragement. We've another four videos planned so far, for this series. Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline
@ernestberry-songsrestored5637
@ernestberry-songsrestored5637 Жыл бұрын
Thank you 🙏 both . Another important video. Very much looking forward to your book Pauline. I was instinctively aware of much of what’s said here.my wife and I left the Uk for 12 years and lived in a small village in Crete. Brought two of my boys up there. We worked the land and my practical skills were my best currency in that environment. ( most of what we learn in the west is useless in that environment) My wife is also a natural with plants etc. In some ways we were ahead of the curve and got blown back to the Uk by fate three years ago. Only to experience everything I thought would happen. My boys have a very different view of what’s going on in the Uk to most of their peers . What you said here resonates deeply .
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi again, @ernestberry-songsrestored5637, thank you so much for your kind comment! I'm a bit slow with the book, but working on it every day. Thanks too for sharing about your experience in Crete, which must have been wonderfully enriching, for you all, especially for your boys. Blessings to You and Your Family, Pauline.
@ernestberry-songsrestored5637
@ernestberry-songsrestored5637 Жыл бұрын
@@JungToLiveBy Thank you.
@VitalFrontiers
@VitalFrontiers Жыл бұрын
Simply superb. Thanks JTLB and Steve and Pauline for such a dynamic and lucid coverage of what is the most important opportunity for growth and consciousness today: men and women coming together and realizing who they really are. I hope the community is thriving! - Nick
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Thank You Nick. Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline
@robertc-w2027
@robertc-w2027 Жыл бұрын
Another wonderful and thought-provoking video, thank you for bringing forth your humanistic perspective on the current situation to a public audience once again.
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi again @robertc-w2027, thank you for your continuing support for our work, and for your professionalism and personal development. Our Kindest Regards and Best Wishes, Steve & Pauline
@lauralis
@lauralis Жыл бұрын
My goodness, James, you were only 6 years old when you saw Christina Aguilera’s “Dirty” video on the telly. I was 14 and definitely not prepared for that. All my life I’ve been so preoccupied with thinking about how the 00’s affected women of my generation that I never thought of young boys who saw it back then at a younger age than me. This is horrible ☹️ I really hope it’s not too late to reverse the damage done. Thank you for the video 💛
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Thanks Laura - I agree, it is horrible, but the future is something worth striving for. Thanks for your comment 🙏 All the best, James
@lauralis
@lauralis Жыл бұрын
@@JungToLiveBy Lead the way; we’re right behind you.
@yahmicah4294
@yahmicah4294 Жыл бұрын
I understand that as well. I saw stuff on the TV that was way too mature for me at quite a young age and to a lesser extent, I experienced things as well from another young girl. One of our parents might not have been careful about what we were exposed to. I almost feel like it happened backward as there’s a resistance to accepting this intimacy or relation now that I am of age.
@dwifred472
@dwifred472 Жыл бұрын
This is really insightful. It seems like this is the best way to expose whats going on because people don’t want to listen to arguments since their instincts are being gratified and they are getting social status. There also seems to be something that happens where people “feel” like they are doing something noble by joining this woke movement. Maybe it has to do with their moral complex. It’s strange how little instincts are talked about in our popular culture. But I hope that it gets talked about more. The woke movement is very ambitious as they want to create systemic, and even global change. More people need to wake up to whats really going on. Thank you guys for being brave during these times with the content you are making available for the public. God bless.
@dwifred472
@dwifred472 Жыл бұрын
Also, it seems like some of these women who join this movement come from a place of trauma that has been caused by men. I wish those women would find true healing instead of whats going on right now.
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi again @dwifred472, thank you so much for your thoughtful and insightful comment. T%here's a lot to learn from what you have shared. Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline
@dwifred472
@dwifred472 Жыл бұрын
@@JungToLiveBy 🙏❤️
@iHomer0007
@iHomer0007 Жыл бұрын
There is so much depth in this video, truly unparalleled insight that cannot be found anywhere else. An especially deep resonance around the 35:30 min mark - the point Pauline raised about being truly rich in the most fundamental way and the harmony men find in the harmony within women is very powerful and inspiring. If men and women are in touch with themselves and the land in that way, then even the most destructive katabolic forces can be overcome. It feels that deep. Are there any books that you can recommend on the women's land army mentioned in the video? Looking forward to read your book when it comes out and kind regards
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi again, @iHomer0007, thank you for supporting our channel these past years, and a special; thank you from me, for your kind comment about my book. It'll be different, but I hope, it'll be a worthy contribution, in support of your generation, from mine. Best Wishes, Pauline
@kilianwill4825
@kilianwill4825 Жыл бұрын
Outstanding and highly synchronistic video. Pauline’s mention of the land army in WW1 & WW2 links in content with the agricultural revolution (which was also briefly mentioned in the video). Which had tremendous impact on culture. Perhaps it marked the beginning of culture as we know it today. So many questions… I will pick your brains next time we speak! Thanks for the video. Highly informative and containing such an important message for women as well as men today. There was a time of harmony before, and it will be here again. Every winter is just a period between springs :)) Best wishes -Kilian
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Blessings @kilianwill4825, see you at the next Seminar. Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline
@frankoskovia
@frankoskovia Жыл бұрын
Great video! So interesting, that women found meta-instincts in the past and gathered together to work together in agriculture - this makes total sense. Thanks for this historically and evolutionarily interesting perspective which explains meta-instincts very well for me, Pauline. Do you both see that the power principle that will be elevated to a religious level and by which the dynamic gets pathologically Jungian, as Steve referred to, could await women, who are in danger of approaching terminal lucidity dangerously closely, in the form of the Green movement (“Gaia”)? In a certain way the representation of Gaia seems to be the perfect supply of a symbol of an exaggerated greater cause (= elevation of a corrupted CARE instinct towards the aforementioned Jungian level) that would give identity to misled female individuals by misunderstanding it as a meta-instinct. (This could hold true for males as well, obviously, but the caring aspect of it makes it reside more in the feminine realm for me.) Gaia is the alibi, when in reality it’d give Adler his inflated expression. I have quite a few times felt the fierce and full-throttle response of someone who supposedly tried to defend some thing or some person that our current culture suggests to be weak, vulnerable and in need of the utmost protection (the planet, the national security, the elderly in the case of the pandemic, for instance) in order to justify an over-exaggerated care response. It was as if a mother perceives some sort of environmental stress and tries to attack the perceived perpetrator with everything she has - including deep primal forces to protect her baby. That to me, would be a scenario in which the manipulated instincts can fire off within this surrogate meta-instinct, hence nearing terminal lucidity because libido, time and resources are not directed into a direct improvement of the female individual’s adaptation in the close evolutionary sense... I almost already now intuit this situation playing itself out in a not too distant future when MSM will be amping up various apparently consilient threads of a decaying Gaia, and thereby mobilising the manipulation of instinct further. This wouldn’t be “having a love affair with the land” but more so, bringing the Trickster into position for a grandiose performance…
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Blessings @frankosovia, yes and we will be discussing this as part of the next video. Thanks yet again for your contribution. Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline
@benhart2973
@benhart2973 Жыл бұрын
That was so good. Thanks guys
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Blessings @benhart2973, Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline
@chowchebi
@chowchebi Жыл бұрын
Nice. Really excited for this one! Good to balance the equation and examine the dynamics between the two.
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi again @chowchebi, many thanks for your comment, and as always, further thanks for your continued support for our work. Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline
@oddpersona22
@oddpersona22 Жыл бұрын
Very nice.
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi again @oddpersona22, thank you for your continuing support for the channel. Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline
@ziggysaks4260
@ziggysaks4260 Жыл бұрын
Amazing synchronicity, I was just thinking about the topic today. Thank you for the consistent insightful content
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Thank you @ziggysaks4260, we very much appreciate your thoughtful comment. With our Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline
@moons_mind
@moons_mind Жыл бұрын
I was so excited from the last video that I didn't even think of the Terminal Lucidity of the Feminine! Fantastic watch! I look forward to sharing these insights with my wife
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Blessings and thanks, @moons_mind1278, our very beyt wishes to You, and to Your Lady Wife, Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline
@tuwheratiaihaka2744
@tuwheratiaihaka2744 Жыл бұрын
It was really great to see Pauline in her spotlight here and discussing about the meta-instinctual process for a women which has always interested me. It really shines the spotlight on how far disconnected our culture has become from instincts and the correct meta-instinctual potentials for men and for women. Great work team 🙏
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi again @tuwheratiaihaka2744, thank you for your kind words! Best Wishes, Pauline
@ellemnop123
@ellemnop123 Жыл бұрын
Wonderful to hear Pauline speak, thank you for this. "What is the feminine?" What a difficult question!, made so much more difficult to answer by the culture requiring women to take on men's roles for generations now. As a girl it was easy to understand myself as proto-mother, which I think girls continue to see themselves as even in advanced years if they do not bear children. When girls marry - the rite of passage for women, vs. hunting which makes men -- and then become mothers, something amazing happens. They realize that they are 'prima materia.' That's it. A woman spends years and years growing and nursing babies. Men don't objectify women; babies do. Women are food. And I think if a woman is protected by a man or by a group of men (which is precisely why men need to be able to hunt/kill) and she can relax into her instincts, as an adult with older children, grown children, maybe grandchildren, she continues to be 'prima materia' in a wonderfully sophisticated way with increasing complexity and beauty. There is a deep, primal instinct for privacy/purity and there is a merging with the surroundings. So for instance, to be a woman is to be able to make a house a home, to make the wilderness a secret garden that only a woman's superior sense of smell and associated memories would understand, to turn briars and bitter herbs into healing, hearty stews that will nourish and grow children and men. This is how I experience myself, I think; and I am so attuned to the emotions/thoughts of others that I cannot say that any thoughts of mine belong to me, and it is so important for me to be alone because it is so easy to merge and difficult to become untangled. We are easily depleted and in need of your protection!
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi @chakajordan, thank you so much for your kind words, the life experience you bring, and share, will inform us all. Best Wishes, Pauline
@nelliedean7088
@nelliedean7088 Жыл бұрын
Hello Both, are the Freud gratification aspects for women related to for example the normalisation of obesity ?for example and the encouragement of hook up culture? I don’t see men being encouraged in this way in the culture at the moment. Both seem to directly threaten female fertility, I’m thinking polycystic ovarian syndrome and sexual availability with no follow through whatsoever. I don’t see anything wrong with women being ambitious but we are denigrating femininity paradoxically by placing this above the creativity of nurturing children and feminine creativity more broadly. These side stepping illogical arguments that somehow men are the enemy seems to be blindsiding women to make ultimately poor choices. Some examples from your perspective would be great.
@jeannined7532
@jeannined7532 Жыл бұрын
I'm 71 and couldn't agree with you more. When I was a young woman, my friends and I would get together and dream about the positive direction feminism could take us, and most of our talk was about communal relationship and shared responsibility. About nurture and communication and sharing. About being empowered from within. By the 90's, it was becoming increasingly apparent that nothing had changed and that feminism was great if you had the money to hire nannies. The workplace was about producing women who are basically "men with breasts." It's done nothing to humanize and create inclusive and respectful environments. Women have been shamed into believing that instinct, intuition and love are "soft" and if you want to keep your job, you better become as competetive and hardened as your male colleagues. Of course, now I realize that the power structure always twists and corrupts the good to serve its aims. We've basically become slaves to a system that no longer needs to wield whips and chains but has succeeded in using science, endless vapid distraction and mind control to work its poison on the human soul. Women are being so manipulated. Wake up Wake up!!
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi @jeannined7532, thank you for sharing your story, and the accumulated wisdom of a lived life, that shows through it. With My Warmest Wishes, Pauline.
@danielfarchione3076
@danielfarchione3076 Жыл бұрын
Again, insightful video. Are you able to go into detail about the link between spiritual bypassing and narcisism? I believe you have gone through it but I think that some neo-jungians today are reducing everything psychologically. Is this what you mean by Jung falling victim to adler (will to power) and instinct? Do some neo-jungians want to appear 'spiritually above' everyone else? I have spoken on a Jungian forum claiming that Aion is a macrocosm or representation of his own life struggle and that he may not have recovered from his breakdown. I was ruthlessly shut down in that echo chamber. Every single comment was shutting me down for it, not even considering his personal relation to the world. I am sure glad Jung said he was "jung" and not "Jungian" because this is so ridicuolous even if you mention that personal backstory was reflected heavily in his work. Have you had the same experience with some jungians? Thank you
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi again, @danielfarchione3076. its a problem with Jungian ideas, that they incline towards inflation, and abstraction. They probably should never be considered as a 'philosophy of life' - he himself said that they were not, but advised that they could be used to devlop one, which is a very different perspective to take. The inflationary element, can drift into a 'religious' or 'cult' - like separation from participating in reality. They best way to understand Jung, is that his work is his personal myth. He says so openly on the first page of his autobiography. He makes it clear that it didn't matter to him if that myth was the 'truth' - only that it was his own truth. Problems arise when powerful, inflationary ideas become associated by proxy, into the self-concept of people who have very different lives, and backgrounds. Jung's clinical legacy, has largely been found to be wanting. Most of his theories fail under the pressure of real-world front-line testing. Jungian analysts, cannot compete with CBT therapists, in such front-line settings. This, however, is not Jung's fault, its the error of 'analysts' who dwell in abstraction and auto-suggestive inflation. There are valuable things in Jung's clinical theory, but they're the last things that analysts go anywhere near. To avoid a fantasy relationship, to ourselves or others, inflated with borrowed mythopoetic suggestion, it's necesary to 'work' with people other than ourselves. That work, is the fillest engagement with life, clinically, as that is the ultimate pressure test for any theory. Its a long jpurney, and no one should expect their ideas to be same, near the end, that they were, at the beginning. No one should attempt to start, where Jung ended, but they do.... Kindest Regards, Steve
@ozzycrowley9421
@ozzycrowley9421 Жыл бұрын
Excited to watch this thanks guys 🙏🏿
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Blessings @ozzycrowley9421, thanks for your support, for the channel ,and our work. Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline
@NerisX
@NerisX Жыл бұрын
I am 31 years old and I don't have faith that I will find woman who will see through this manipulation and I doubt that this trend will slow down any time soon. I can only hope that I will have enough luck to find this one person though it might be really difficult. To be honest it feels kinda lonely in this world as a 31 years old man. It feels like no one cares about men these days. I was aware of this trend since like 2017-2018. It is speeding up with every year. Women get more power and more privilege, mainstream stands for women (even if it is only virtue signaling then it is still a sign of "we have your back"). For example there is a law in Poland (that was copied from Spain by our government) that one person basically can accuse other one (lets say partners living in one flat) about home abuse and accused one has to leave flat for 14 days - without court, police can do it and they don't care that you don't have place to sleepover (and it happened in my family so I saw this law in action, police didn't believe man and blindly believe in woman's testimony and on the 2nd day she brought him a soup to the staircase 🤡 she reported (lied) it just because he has some mental problems and he was thinking that he is a Jesus ( because he stopped taking his meds for few days) and was bringing homeless people to their flat). It was made to protect those who were victims of home abuse but it is sadly also exploited by liars. Check video with title false accusations in Spain, it is explained how it works. Imagine being young polish lad who is aware of this law. There is more stuff like this in our polish law that puts risk on the men. It feels like there is huge risk for a men to be in relationship and no risk at all for women because they can find another partner in few days or weeks on dating app.
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi @NerisX, the task is hard, and the times are unique. The challenges arising from both of these, are those you're being held against. This is the truth for each generation, in their own times. We all need to start from firm first principles. That is the place to stand, and from which to take your next steps. Kindest Regards, Steve
@janik4684
@janik4684 Жыл бұрын
A very moving and thought-provoking presentation of paramount information. I sincerly hope that more people will find access to such information presented by such compassionate and sharp-minded indiviuals. Ideally in other languages as well. What stood out to me and for me personally helped allign the bits of information in a meaningful way, were two things; the relationship women of the 'land army' had with the land, and that the whole dynamic can be only understood - meaning how the regulation of a gene pool plays out - is if we are adding 'Shedrekian field theory into the mix. I had a hard time understanding how Freudian gratification (LUST) has seemed to be decoupled or not alligned with the 'darwininan aim' of reproduction and building a healthy and stable family to guarantee the survival of the next generation in our current era . It seems to be counter-intuitive, unless we add 'field theory' into the explanation and representation of information. We have to nurture the seeds we plant.
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Blessings @janik4684, thank you for your thoughtful and insightful contribution. Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline.
@musamba101
@musamba101 Жыл бұрын
I got drilled in the brain with Foucault over and over and over again back in the 90's in university. I knew way back when that things would only go downhill from there and took measures to remain sane. Edward Bernays' "lighting the torches of freedom" was the first successful attempt by the military-industrial complex in manipulating the collective psyche.
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi again @musamba101, thank you fpor your ongoing support for this channel, and for our work, these past three years, its very much appreciated by us. Your foresight was gifted to you.... Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline
@musamba101
@musamba101 Жыл бұрын
@@JungToLiveBy It's been a delight to follow you two giving your expo on Jung and the current zeitgeist. As a therapist of 20 years myself (with an open Red Book and a portrait of Herr Jung in my office), you are about the only ones on the labryrinth of the internet that I actually follow. Cheers to you and fight the good fight on your end of the pond. I could write a book myself on all the destroyed men I have treated. All those that have unfortunately cancelled themselves under my care over the years have unfortunately been men. All the complaints in the last three years I have received (one had me under state investigation for an entire year) have been women. When I graduated university 20 years ago, the men to women ratio was roughly 50-50. Now, it is about only 25% (There is only one other bloke in the place where I work and I have not met the bloke yet if you can believe it! This pandemic has seriously changed the dynamic of things here!). When I retire 12 years from now (if I make it that far), only 5% of us therapists will be men. Men are opting out and that is a dreadful prospect. Most of my clients currently are men. When I and those that are like me are gone, men will be seriously underserved. And men are the ones that are crying out here by taking AK47's and cancelling themselves and others in despair. It is a grim prospect! Keep up the good fight on your side of the pond please!!! Cheers from this side of the pond!!! 😀
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Blessings and Respect, to You, our "Fellow Laborer in The Vineyard of The Human Soul". Steve & Pauline
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
@mudamba101, criticaltherapyantidote.org/blog-2/
@darkeravocado6598
@darkeravocado6598 Жыл бұрын
When it comes to our task as individuals, it really is simple, albeit difficult at first. Relating well and consciousness of our instincts. In my experience, its taken a lot to be able to see thing more clearly and act in a more positive manner (and that’s thanks to you guys), specially since even before moving out of home for college I was being told that “I was trash”. I hadn’t experienced myself or the world outside of my parent’s influence - and their relationship isn’t quite exemplary either. It’s then easy to see how one jumps to hyper-masculine gurus for guidance and further contributes to the problem. I am grateful that I have developed enough to the point that I can take conscious action within my relationships and make a small change. It feels meaningful. Still learning how to connect with meta-instincts specially in relation to my girlfriend and how I can help her connect to her own… but I guess easy does it. Many thanks for this series, and special thanks to Pauline for fishing all the nuggets of knowledge. The whole series has been enlightening.
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi again, @darkeravocado6598, thanks so much for your very kind words, and for sharing the insights gained from your journey. My Warmest Wishes to You, Your Girlfriend, and and for Your Relationship, together. Pauline. .
@GeraldSmallbear
@GeraldSmallbear Жыл бұрын
This was very good, I only wish as a layman that I understood it better. With regard to women waking up, I am reminded of: Mary Harrington, who's well worth a listen and doing the rounds with her book at the moment. Alex Katschuta who has a big following in Trad Circles. Lauren Southern who has been around a while and is not directly engaged in this but an ally of sorts. In short, there is a groundswell of women turning Right (and Trad) in response to Late Modernity, often goaded by the Trans ideology. I'm far more engaged with the political side of this but, on the off-chance you read my comment, I do implore you to reach out to these people. Your perspective is longed for, particularly in the Sensible Centre and Reactionary quarters. You hold the missing piece. I would actually like to see people depoliticised and rehumanised but there needs to be collective action first, of a peaceful and constructive nature.
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi @GeraldSmallbear, thanks for sharing your very considered thoughts, and suggestions, and your kind sentiment. We're open to discussing the present zeitgeist and its dynamics. Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline
@FriggaRedSkye
@FriggaRedSkye Жыл бұрын
True, I'm so worried people are going to bat from one extreme to the other. I find myself in a mostly traditional setting except I'm a slightly gender-nonconforming (tom boy)rocker and the thought of bringing children into the world as it is at present feels like a huge pressure, culturally, financially and emotionally. I don't want children but I feel like my inner ancestry and other psychic factors are trying to get me to do that and it's exhausting to have this panic that I MIGHT regret not doing it. I wish I could put it down for a second to see how I could live without that. As a former people pleaser and a helper in the family from far too young and introvert I really just don't have any energy left. I had this viewpoint and feeling prior to any modern anti-natalists trying to sway women in general. I would settle for, let's support women being more healthy and less objectified whether for Only Fans or the work place but women deserve the right to choose trad or career or both with fully informed consent. Maybe this Jungian crew can add in that extra info that means women can be fully informed, and men!
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi @FriggaRedSkye, thanks for your comment, yes, polarities are a problem, so going from one to the other as a simple reaction, is an issue to be avoided. Answers never lie at the extremes, but along the dynamic bandwidth between. Kindest Regards, Steve
@Nigma93
@Nigma93 Жыл бұрын
Can you guys make a video about psychosynthesis? Would like to see a video on it from your lens of view.
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi @Tazelwurm, that's ane excellent suggestion. Thank you, Steve.
@logiebearsb
@logiebearsb Жыл бұрын
Thank you guys I really enjoyed this episode, I had to rewind a few bits to understand more of the issues at play.
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi again, @logiebearsb, thanks once again for your continued support for the channel these past two years. And thank you too for your kind comment. Iyts very much appreciated. Warmest Wishes, Pauline & Steve
@StormCrowSock
@StormCrowSock Жыл бұрын
This video provides clarity where there is a lot of confusion in the culture. A small population of men (Andrew tate, Fresh and Fit and others) are using the gap in the culture to assert a moody masculinity that intends to over compensate for the lack of instinctive/genomic fulfillment and land themselves firmly in a position of power and sex without soul. For them, it’s likely the most adaptive form of self neutering, but for their followers they’ll get left behind, unless they return home and gain consciousness. Thanks for the video JTLB team. 🙏
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi @StormCrowSock, thanks for sharing those important insights. Resopect to You, and for Your Journey, Kindest Regards, Steve
@insidethefoilbag
@insidethefoilbag Жыл бұрын
Great work on these recent videos. Very unique and valuable content that has helped connect some dots for me. Also got me a little more worried about where this is all heading.. I wonder if it will take certain critical mass of this generation of women reaching an age where the gravity of the situation is too obvious to ignore for consciousness to awaken. The trailblazing generation of these hyper propagandised women would be in their mid 30s now. Some of them are my friends.. Yet self reflection doesn't come easily. Like you said though, this is probably because it seems on the surface like they have been redeemed and empowered and the messaging from the top of the culture reinforces this. I've retreated into art but I probably would have done this anyway even if the culture was healthy. Still, would be nice to have a gf without forfeiting my soul
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi @insidethefoilbag, thank you so much for your insightful comment, and telling us about your creativity, which is the true communion with our unconscious, our genome, and our soul. Your creativity will find your soul-mate.... Best Wishes, Pauline and Steve
@ethereal_land
@ethereal_land Жыл бұрын
Great video, can't wait to read Pauline's book!
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi @Nightfire04, thank you so much for your kind comment. I’m working hard on completing it! Warmest Wishes, Pauline 🙏
@ethereal_land
@ethereal_land Жыл бұрын
@@JungToLiveBy Good luck Pauline, again can't wait to read it! 🌻🌻🌻
@user-kw9hg9o
@user-kw9hg9o Жыл бұрын
Couple of questions come to mind, so if you don't mind: -Would you agree the phenomenon of trans 'women' invading female spaces and effectively kicking them out is a variation of toxic masculinity? I imagine the first step in that direction , within our culture, might be something along the lines of political correctness, before the actual thing is allowed in. -Is the population too large in the sense that resources and territory are truly scarce? Because people have done the math, and that doesn't appear to be the case. Or is it that the collective genome is making that observation based on the inefficient way in which we organize ourselves within and relate to the environment, so it has no way out? Or something else? -In the previous video you described the current situation as a pulse. How do you prevent(or survive) the next heartbeat? -This one's dumb but i gotta ask. Would you agree that something like a ufo disclosure would potentially reverse our current direction because it would essentially signal to the genome that there's infinite resources 'out there' and all that space is evidently traversible, so it can relax and stop trying to depopulate us.
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi again @user-kw9hg9oi1f, thanks you for your support for our channel, these last three years. We've another fpur videos planned for this series, and we'll do our best to answer the very important questions you've raised. Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline
@user-kw9hg9o
@user-kw9hg9o Жыл бұрын
@@JungToLiveBy 👍
@alexbalint8718
@alexbalint8718 Жыл бұрын
Hearing the beautiful account (and indeed dialectic) of what the feminine could be, and what we know it to be, at a deeper field level, brought an affective resonance in me, too. Experiencing this lighter, and still very passionate perspective was a joy. It took me away from the pressures from the ego. It is also for the first time I understand the field level consciousness of the genome. Previously I viewed its conscious responses to cues in the environment, which remains, but the algorithm is much simpler when resolving in ecology. I feel blessed to receive this affective charge, and meaning. This comes too with simple desires. Although I know, it requires commitment, which is also directed by that. Many thanks!
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for sharing your experience with this Alex - you're certainly, as Steve would say, a Fellow Labourer 🙏 All the best, James
@alexbalint8718
@alexbalint8718 Жыл бұрын
@@JungToLiveBy thank you for the kind words, I aspire to that 🙏
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Blessings Alex, Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline
@flynnoflenniken7402
@flynnoflenniken7402 Жыл бұрын
This has given me a lot to think about. I'm already trying to be the best man I can be, but there's a lot of room for improvement, and I fail at it all the time. But I feel like this discussion has given me some additional reasons to keep picking myself up and dusting myself off and moving forward. Hopefully I can avoid the event horizon of terminal lucidity or at the very least make some small contribution in the lives of others to prevent them from falling into it.
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi, @flynnoflenniken7402, that's a very principled stance to take, Respect and Kindest Regards, Steve
@mjnoon3609
@mjnoon3609 Жыл бұрын
Never clicked so fast! this will be good.
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi again @mjnoon3609, thanks so much! Thanks too, for your continuing support for our work, and for this channel. Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline
@jamesdrew6024
@jamesdrew6024 Жыл бұрын
Once again there's huge value to be found through these insights, and I'll mention three that resonate for me personally; (i) Grasp the 'field' nature of influence - at a biological, cultural and individual level - and how it is possible to see forces acting in a certain way without necessarily being able to 'see' the particular field exerting its pull. Distilling causality in contemporary culture without a field model can lead to false cognitive dichotomies such as a 'conspiracy' versus 'cock-up' debate. Events always occur within context, and at multiple levels, with the evolutionary imperative of the genome ever present - and operating as something like an informational 'force-field'. (ii) Understand and align your meta-instincts as best you can - as defined so well by James - or your 'Pankseppian' instincts may start to fire off at random and bend you out of shape. (iii) The further you step down into the levels below your immediate cognition the more your immunity to manipulation from without and within, and the greater opportunity you have to raise consciousness in others - that's a huge practical challenge. Thank you.
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Thanks @jamesdrew6024, as ever blessings to you, and for the sahring of your journey's wisdom. Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline
@michaelchan9874
@michaelchan9874 Жыл бұрын
Really interesting video. Some write-out-loud thoughts: Perhaps related is the fact that I was dismissed from Practicum last year (and then expelled from the Master's course) for refusing politically-driven compelled speech (they/them pronouns to address my supervisor's narcissistic female psychologist friend who self-identifies as "non-binary") in Canada (BC). Freud and Adler was definitely at work in her, misdirecting her instincts and collapsing her relationship with men. I noticed how my supervisor was himself a neutered man for all intents and purposes (physically and mentally) who nonetheless formed a coalition with her and abuses the power-by-association, and how the woman psychologist's subordinate (a male counsellor working directly under her) was perhaps the most softspoken person I have ever met (I often literally could not hear him in his classes at all despite only being less than 15 feet away). Not to mention that during the woman psychologist's classes, the general group dynamic among the patients was, as they voiced to me "don't contradict her, it never goes well." The whole debacle was quite the educational first-hand look into the generalisability of one's relating function, even if it was an insight that costed me my Master's of counselling psychology degree (might see a new student enrolling to your course as a consequence.. haha.. my wife and I are also planning to relocate to England). Also relevant perhaps are all the female administrators in the university's endless bureaucratic committees and their inability to reason (driven as you said by unconscious misdirected instincts), aided by neutered and cowardly male professors eager to "protect" while being so "nonjudgmental" and "open-minded" that their brains fall out. Your observation of the spiritual vacuum (no Jung) in this cultural field phenomenon I think parallels a lot of other psychological/cultural/political commentators. Viktor Frankl's "noögenic neurosis" for instance, points to the pathological consequences of said meaning vacuum; meaning here can be generalisable to those that are developmentally-oriented. Others have mentioned the loss of belief in the traditional human-based unifying narrative (rather than one built on superficial-identities like race/gender/etc.). Certainly much of tradition is functional and good and that's the reason why it endured, with their goodness in direct proportion to their alignment with their ability to encourage and incentivise healthy instinctual development. Your thought that women and men are being pushed into superficialities and becoming exaggerated caricatures of themselves I think explains quite well much of the trans-movement, where men and women (but mostly women) disliking their own exaggerated and caricatured view of either "man" or "woman", seeks to escape it through adopting an equally exaggerated caricature of the other sex, which is not only futile but tragic. (As you mentioned, how can you understand the other sex when you don't even understand your own?) This is where the term "woman-face" comes from, or the description of trans-people "appropriating women". The exaggeration part we can all see play out quite vividly in online dating, where one is incentivised to be surreal to attract attention-laying out that domain-specific selection pressure. Also are the exaggerated caricatures of "virtuous" versus "evil", "poor" versus "rich", "oppressed" versus "privileged"... etc. There's probably something to be said about the inevitable consequences of simply poor education and not properly differentiating things into their nuances and understanding complexity... The genome's "intentions" are indeed cold and cruel. The idea of getting "deleted" from the gene pool is something that I can relate to a lot as I observe much of my contemporaries in the dating market. Besides psychological explanations, I also recently came across Kierkegaard's concept of the "leveling process" as the crushing of real-life opposites into an indifferentiable and chaotic mass that destroys one's ability to differentiate reality from fantasy and promotes obscurantism. This plays out most vividly in the realm of linguistics at the moment, as people who've been put through said leveling process find it immensely difficult to actually think, leading to mental fatigue and dismissal/avoidance/anger, which is something you can see time and time again in videos of debates or street/campus interviews. The self-fulfilling prophecy of "toxic masculinity" I think hit the nail quite well on its head. Consciousness like you say, is the main antidote... but alas... the counter force is strong-our innate biological imperative to be "as unconscious as possible" (based on the free energy principle) as Mark Solms put it. Is the crisis truly necessary? How large of a crisis would that be? I suppose every generation has their own battles to fight.
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi @michaelchan9874, thank you for your very detailed and thoughtful comment. Please reach out on contact@jungtoliveby.com for the attention of Steve, I'd like to reply to you in some depth. In the meanwhile, please check out this follow-up video which was released today. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oIuYm4KNpJKSfs0 Kindest Regards, Steve
@michaelchan9874
@michaelchan9874 Жыл бұрын
@@JungToLiveBy Sent!
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Thanks I’ll be in touch 👍🙏
@Bobicabobbobica.1
@Bobicabobbobica.1 Жыл бұрын
What a wonderful and extremely important video. I love this much broader perspective you are giving us, because it encompasses all of the problems we are dealing with personally and globally. Could you please explain, does a self destructive instinct exist or is it manipulated, and if so, how does that happen? People call it "trauma bonding" when it relates to relationships, but I'd like to know the explanation from an instinctive personal level. Thank you for everything that you do, you are a wonderful and much needed trio in these times❤
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Blessings @MajMaj, thanks for your comment. 'Thanatos' is 'real', but its really important not to make it a mythiological, demonic or occult construct. Its manifestation is context specific, and ranges from the natural ageing process, through disease, personal self-destructiveness, collective catabolic processes (in culture and war for example) and even positively, in self-sacrifice, and the more extreme contexts for altruism. Its representation symbolically, can tell us a lot about its context. Context is everything. Many contemporary Freudians deny its existance. This is an ironic example of Freudians displaying a Freudian 'defence mechanism' (denial). An understanding of biology (Darwin) and Informational Superpositioning, is enough to see why 'Thanatos' under specific conditions and circumstances, is, 'instinctive' in the sense that: 'The Instincts are the Emissary, of their Master, The Genome' Kindest Regards, Steve.
@Bobicabobbobica.1
@Bobicabobbobica.1 Жыл бұрын
@@JungToLiveBy Thank you so much for your reply, this info is like a missing puzzle in my psyche, I think because I was scared of Thanatos for a while, but what I've noticed recently, it comes up whenever I am dealing with Lilith, as if even herself wants to be destroyed, but something in me finds it very hard to let go. I see her as a black hole calling me in, but whenever I get very close I choose consciously to come back. It is an extremely hard battle, but I find it easier with time and work I'm doing on myself, since I am identifying with it(or her)less. If you have any explanation for this dynamic please let me know, because I find it very hard to logically understand what it is that is happening. Thank you again! ☀️
@lejspul7655
@lejspul7655 Жыл бұрын
Sounds like a great flood to me, time to build the ark.
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi @lejspul7655, a contemporay Ark, would need a contemporary equivalent of Noah, who no doubt would have their own personal pronouns, and embark a full and diverse range of fauna. Kindest Regards, Steve
@filipmarinov2154
@filipmarinov2154 Жыл бұрын
When will you release books 2 and 3 of the Lilith Trilogy?
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi @filipmarinov2154, many thanks for your support fror the channel over this last year. Lilith 2 The Devil's Bible, and Lilith 3 The Pleroma, are only in screenplay format at the moment. Von Hesse's back story is being developed for publication too. We're due to have a production meeting with partners, in the early summer about the movie projects. We were asked last year by a Hollywood producer to re-write Lilith as 'Woke' but we declined. Kindest Regards, Steve
@robertdabob8939
@robertdabob8939 Жыл бұрын
"Respect for the past and a duty to the future" Amen to that!! 🙏 I suppose it's fair to say that this terminal lucidity you're speaking to helps explain why civilizations; societies; cultures seem to vanish once they collapse?
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi @Robert Dabob, thanks for your comment, and thanks too, for your continued support for the channel, these last 2 years. Yes, its a repeating dynamic, when viewed through an historical lens. This present culture is in the unique position to be able to do something about the otherwise imminent collapse. The digital era that has so far hurried the approach to that collapse, also allows enough collective understanding to prevent it. Causing the field to flip, only requires a critical mass of people to generate a new focus for the field. The numbers don't need to be high, or indeed to be in direct contact. The pioneering work of Rupert Sheldrake on morphogentic and behavioural fields, gives some insight into this dynamic. We are at the peri-moment, so we can expect that the catabolic forces will ramp up, into open 'insanity' in attempt to prevent the field polarity from a sudden reversal into anabolism. Once that is understood, and the right 'consciousness' is generated, the field will self-regulate and flip into dynamic homeostasis. The sooner the better, as then the reversal will be less catastrophic. Kindest Regards, Steve
@robertdabob8939
@robertdabob8939 Жыл бұрын
@@JungToLiveBy I really appreciate you taking the time to reply to my question, and I must say that resonates deeply. Myself, and a small groups of close friends, most of us somewhat alienated and well acquainted with our suffering through our own personal struggles and inability to express ourselves instinctually or 'find ourselves' in life, all seem to have an unusually strong, values driven emotional affect to direct into connecting with our instincts; the unconscious. I've found great meaning in these connections for more than a decade, so your words here, and your work in general, certainly helps clarify and validate my belief that there's great value/meaning in that experience, and our work on ourselves is indeed the 'great work' we must do to ensure that we contribute to this dynamic homeostasis. It may be an oversimplification, but this dynamic between conscious/unconscious appears as an axiom to me that suggests the more who become conscious the better; more moral; more humane the archetypal expression of the collective unconscious becomes. Thank you sir! 🙏 Cheers from Newfoundland!
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi again, @robertdabob8939, thanks for the additional background, my Respect to You and your Fellow Labourers in The Vineyard of The Human Soul, there in Newfoundland. Please pass on my Kindest Regards to Them. Blessings, Steve
@Android-jass
@Android-jass Жыл бұрын
Can you do a video about love
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi @Android-ip4dv, yes we can. Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline
@3313xx
@3313xx Жыл бұрын
That was interesting and for me as a woman a bit puzzling and challenging I have to admit. I am aware of some of the cultural influences you're addressing, but for example I do not really perceive most women to act the way you described, being so contemptuous towards men and negatively self centered and superficial, or at least not more than there are toxically masculine men with similar qualities. Most of my adolescence I have always felt that men despise and disregard women for anything more than just their biological functions, which of course made relating very hard, and I'm still unraveling all of that. Now I can see how negatively I wasn't only relating to men and others in general, but especially to myself and my femininity. Probably because of my negative animus, my mother and also how my parents related to one another.
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi @3313xx, many thanks for you comment and sharing your experience. There are many ways of living an authentic life, all should be respected. Learning about those that contradict our experience, is always where new knowledge distills. Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline
@darkeravocado6598
@darkeravocado6598 Жыл бұрын
When it comes to our task as individuals, it really is simple, albeit difficult at first. Relating well and consciousness of our instincts. In my experience, its taken a lot to be able to see thing more clearly and act in a more positive manner (and that’s thanks to you guys), specially since even before moving out of home for college I was being told that “I was trash”. I hadn’t experienced myself or the world outside of my parent’s influence - and their relationship isn’t quite exemplary either. It’s then easy to see how one jumps to hyper-masculine gurus for guidance and further contributes to the problem. I am grateful that I have developed enough to the point that I can take conscious action within my relationships and make a small change. It feels meaningful. Still learning how to connect with meta-instincts specially in relation to my girlfriend and how I can help her connect to her own… but I guess easy does it. Many thanks for this series, and special thanks to Pauline for fishing all the nuggets of knowledge. The whole series has been enlightening.
@JungToLiveBy
@JungToLiveBy Жыл бұрын
Hi again, @darkeravocado6598, thanks so much for your very kind words, and for sharing the insights gained from your journey. My Warmest Wishes to You, Your Girlfriend, and and for Your Relationship, together. Pauline.
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