No Holds Barred Q & A with Canadian Catholic

This wide-ranging interview with KZbin host @CanadianCatholic, including call in and questions, covers lots from A-Z. I wanted to share it with you all, my KZbin viewers. Enjoy!
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[@NickRothman1980]

Tabor! I've learned more from this man over the past couple of years than ever I did listening to anything the Church has had to say. I didn’t lose one bit of my faith by reading his books and watching his videos, if anything it became more solid, just in a new, fresh, reimagined way.

[@dissidentfairy4264]

I agree! 🧚‍♀

[@paulallenscards]

Tabor’s democratization of high level scholastic conversation is unmatched!

[@Call_Upon_YAH]

Be it known: Through the Holy Spirit, God has put it on me to preach to those lost in the devil's deceit! Hear me when I say, ye that are Catholic have been deceived and know not God. Ye worship Mary, praying to her; when God tells his to worship none other than him. It is idolatry. Catholicism has its own Bible and teachings, which are blasphemous to the word of God: the Holy Bible. As ye follow the teachings of man and not God; ye hear the pope, but not Jesus, yet ye claim to be his disciples! These are but a few things I named ye dwell within; there are many more. I tell you now to repent of your sins, accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, and you'll receive the gift of the Holy Spirit upon asking the Father! There are *NO* sub-divisions of Christianity. You're either a disciple of Christ or not. A Christian is someone who follows God's word, not a religion. Who obey the Father and follow his will; not man's nor their own heart's. Unless you keep Jesus' commandments, think not the Holy Spirit will dwell within you! They who heed this message and did what was stated with an open heart to God... Read the Holy Bible (KJV) daily and every time before you read, pray to the Father and ask: "Lord I ask that you give me understanding of your word, that I interpret it the way you want me to, and none of my own. I ask you in Jesus' name, amen." Revelation 22:8-9 KJV 8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. 9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. Acts 2:38 KJV 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Luke 11:13 KJV 13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him? John 14:21-24 KJV 21 *He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.* 22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? 23 Jesus answered and said unto him, *If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.* 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and *the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.* 3 John 1:11 KJV 11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. *He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.* 1 John 3:6-10 KJV 6 *Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.* 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: *he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.* 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 *Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.* 10 *In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God,* neither he that loveth not his brother.

[@elizabeth_777]

⁠@@Call_Upon_YAHWhy are you singling out people and declaring, in God’s name, who will or will not be saved when it’s God’s judgement? If you truly believe in God, you should trust in Him to sort that out with each of us, His children. He knows my heart, not you. He knows my deeds, not you. He doesn’t NEED our help…..he WANTS our hearts, out of our free will. We are to love Him, and love others as we would have others love us. God will hear my repentance, you will not. Can I assume you have not repented because I haven’t seen or heard your repentance? Am I to follow your way to God, or Christ’s teachings?

[@timandmonica]

@@Call_Upon_YAH The fact that you believe speaking in an English dialect from 400 years ago makes it sound like you are saying something from the one, true god says more about you than the entire content of what you typed. Please, turn from your ignorance and change your ways. Now is the time to die to yourself and pursue truth. Give up your pride and follow the Logos. I don't believe what I wrote in my second paragraph. I just wanted to have a turn playing at saying things that sound important but hold no actual weight.

[@JLFAN2009]

It's not just Protestants who have issues with the Catholic definition of ROCK: Orthodox Christians, too. After all, they insist that the New Testament was originally written in the Greek language, and therefore they have the upper hand in interpreting Matthew's gospel. According to them, KEPHAS means Peter's CONFESSION OF FAITH -- not Peter himself personally.

[@MarthaEllen88]

Thanks so much both. Just great to feel part of the interesting conversation, ☺️

[@methylmike]

Yea buddy! This was slightly better than normal. Questions are cool cuz they get you in different phases But there is no substitute for your uninterrupted flow

[@edwardschneider6396]

"Truth is the daughter of time,not authority. " ~ Sir Francis Bacon

[@edbutzwiggle4227]

Interesting as usual. Thanks James and Co.

[@thomasrhodes5013]

@35:00 MK.; 1-12 answers both the marriage and divorce of Jesus. A dynamic reading of the text, neither adding nor subtracting from the above passage, answers the quandary Sparky..

[@call_me-jo]

"The Jewish Roman World of Jesus" the link is under construction it seems not sure why. 1 link from your blog is working but the other one isnt . Hopefully it will be up soon :) Really appreciate the insights , love your work :)

[@hectorexcalibur3593]

salute to Dt Tabor

[@3r2w1c]

Isles mentioned.many times in prophecies in the old testament. I can't name book or chapter but they are significant prophecies.

[@clearskybluewaters]

what a wonderful down to earth person you are

[@SixSevenPodcast]

Makes you wonder if Game of Thrones was about the Danites and their Greyjoy family integration with the Targaryens/Dragon family 🤔

[@rickshannon2044]

Dr. Tabor Wasn't it you who compared Peter to a stevadore nicknamed "Rocky?" I always considered that apropos.

[@donnaburden.dip.d.analysis2148]

Great video. Xx

[@JarekKrawczyk]

0:21 My comment is a priori, but in general I find discussions about the christianity with catholics more interesting, as their teachings are based on teachings in their catechism (Manual of teaching), the traditions, and the Bible. The effect is that they in general are more adaptable to changing views on history and science. Thank you Profesor Tabor for educating us and posting your lectures, discussions, and debates.

[@berteloth6512]

It doesn't let me access your blog Mr. Tabor, is it on maintenance or is it because I'm from Europe?

[@stephenpaoli1243]

Tabor love and light and truce and forgiveness

[@ElkoJohn]

Dear James Tabor, here's my question for you: *Given that John the Baptizer, Jesus, Paul, and other first Christians were wrong about the imminent arrival of God's Kingdom on Earth,* how then can we trust them on their other theological teachings?* Than you.

[@pkr8197]

32:06 Professor, do you think when Jesus spoke about taking up the cross and suffering with him, that this could have been added later? Would he have known that he was to be crucified considering that many scholars believe crucifixion was uncommon during this period?

[@tarhunta2111]

Tabor lets his confirmation bias get the better of him.

[@dougmartin9120]

Why didn't you pick up on the pagan cave at Banias as the "gate of Hades" present in the rock cliff there that would serve as the logical object of the reference of "upon THIS rock"? assuming they were standing in front of it.

[@Kaz.Klay.]

Catholics love to insinuate it's peter that is that rock

[@lastchance8142]

O Please! The ROCK is Christ. All the scriptures point to Him as the Rock of salvation, the Rock of ages, the rock Moses struck to bring the water, the Rock of salvation, the cornerstone, ect... To think or ascribe this great title to anyone, or anything else is just idolotry. "Upon this rock (you are the Christ, the Son of the living God!") I will build my church.

[@mentordepret757]

To Dr Tabor: what about that son of Jesus in the Talpiot tomb?

[@Robert_L_Peters]

I'm still not clear on his answer regarding Peter's role in the early movement...

[@georgesparks7833]

I like how Dr. Tabor unravels the complex puzzle of the difference between the narratives in the gospels. And then gives his opinion of why this is... I believe as myself that we indirectly learn to combine the gospels as if it's one story. Such as the Nativity narrative or the crucifixion and Resurrection narrative. Thanks so much! This was fun.

[@wungabunga]

So John is closest to a potential witness account, but isn't likely to be John the Disciple. Mark is the earliest Gospel, so everything has to be compared to Mark, even though "earliest sources aren't necessarily the most accurate". Everything seems to be couched in a historical perspective - to a fault, but at the same time academically inconsistent. I find this comforting, coming from a Jesus Christ is the son of God perspective.

[@Chandransingham]

Very informative and helpful to understand the complexities. God bless him.

[@neclark08]

...half-way through, & I have yet to see any 'Holds" --- much less any of the 'Barred' (against the Rules) kind...😊

[@maymehause8319]

What is the standing of a Christian returning to Judaism in their standing with God. Thank you

[@jenneriv2866]

Question, why did Peter accept Paul? If Paul said certain things that contradicts Jesus teachings.

[@LeutherGreengager-ip1uw]

People do name their children 'rock': Roche/Petra/Evan etc etc.

[@sorenaleksander2670]

I don't know about Dr. Tabor's theory. I know a couple who named their triplets Rock, Paper, and Scissors. True story. Allegedly.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

In his letters, St Paul left out the part where Jesus contacted him on the road to Damascus. You have to look in the Acts of the Apostles written after his death to discover it. Furthermore it conflicts with the story of Jesus appointing St. Peter to start his church. I don't understand why Jesus failed to write his own story and start his own church instead of leaving it to his followers.

[@dadedowuh]

Tabor

[@opalsirius8484]

49:59 Whoever wants to understand the role of the tribe of Dan needs to consult with an Orthodox Rabbi (like Ariel Cohen-Alloro, not someone like Manis Friedman). There's something about the tribe needing to reconcile with the rest since the time of Joseph and Jacob's blessings/prophesies (that I myself haven't found out), which followed his descendants (besides the fact that his name itself means judgement) and Rabbis have an explanation of what's expected in the End Times. That's most likely why he's overlooked in the Revelation narrative. I'm sure Rabbi Cohen-Alloro would kindly explain it as long as you can speak Hebrew. His accent in English is thick and sometimes has difficulty finding the right word in English

[@berglen100]

I AM can and does all things with other names so Light is to bright for some names so good blinded Actors has to live that state Allegory thought reality-based life That only outside always have debated Light.

[@beauxcarroll8348]

Tower of faith.

[@richardrogers156]

You ever see a round Amber glowing craft in daytime?

[@richardrogers156]

Seriously James and glad I have a Strongs concordance bible dictionary in Greek and Hebrew to look up words, numbers and names.You ever look people's names up in Hebrew and Greek on the internet.compared to the books.I don't know Hebrew and Greek language unless I look up things in Strongs concordance.Trying to learn Hebrew and Greek to see if internet is teaching half truths as modern day tower of babel compared to the books.Strongs concordance bible dictionary in Greek and Hebrew the writer of the book his number can be looked up reading introduction.God did know us before we was even in our mothers womb James Strong had to have a connection with God.What do you think?I always ask God for wisdom in Jesus name and he has shown me many things but will never say I know everything!The white cover King James Bible by De'vore and Son's Inc &Wycliffe gives a description of the abomination of desolation in back of book has a concordance and find the calendar for daily reading of scriptures same as Daily bread.

[@JohnSardy]

You must mean "No Holes Barred"

[@CheddarBayBaby]

I’d steer clear of Canadian Catholic in the future Dr Tabor. There’s some bad juju around that guy. Don’t want to tarnish your good name

[@belialord]

Yeah, he was truly despicable when he interviewed Joe from Majesty of Reason

[@EpicurusStan]

You went into the lions den. Well done.

[@crunchycousin5986]

I appreciate that Tabor doesn't degrade Christ or Christianity. He tries to stay true to the texts and their intended purpose without adding his own lense. It is difficult to listen to some non Christian historians because it is obvious that they have a hate for God vs an unbelief in God.

[@hfranklin2009]

My faith hasn’t been harmed by anything he has written. If anything, it has been strengthened. I have a much easier time accepting Jesus when he is viewed as a great teacher and a revolutionary in social issues.

[@russelldavis3796]

Same here. Each new thing I learn about Jesus brings me closer to him as the person he is and not what institutionalized Christian has tried to make him

[@dissidentfairy4264]

As a believer, I agree. Most of what Dr.Tabor says I don't have an issue with at all and he's very informative regarding Biblical history. I always wanted to be a Biblical archaeologist, so I find that element of his discussions along with the Dead Sea Scrolls fascinating.

[@stenblann9784]

Assuming you worship this great teacher and a revolutionary who never wrote a single word...why would you do that? Were you shopping for a great teacher and a revolutionary teacher to worship to aleve your concerns with answers and teachings placed in his mouth decades later? There have been multitudes of great teachers and revolutionaries, most of which actually wrote something down. Perhaps your religious indoctrination was placed there to defend against other religions or worldviews. You were lucky that God blessed you with the right worship system. You didnt have to find your way out of another indoctrination that also required absolutely loyalty to its god and religious dogma. It is simply faith that this ideology is somehow magic and could not have been influenced by corrupt men as most other ideologies. But perhaps your mind is obsessively driven to find a higher power and all that that would entail. You become anxious when there arent reassuring answers to your greatest fears. Religion gives you these and then requires your loyalty to its teaching to maintain the mental mirage. Could men not have conceived these stories you find so inspirational? Read much? Sounds like you are rationalizing to keep believing what you already want to believe. No problem. I believe very few men are not cowards intellectually. Requires too much curiousity and the possibility that you and your world view could be wrong, and that would be too devastating and leave you disappoinnted and depressed in a fetal syndrome, and excommunicated from your support group who only requires loyalty for its blessings. You have to agree to never doubt the propaganda just as any other political, religious, corporate cult. You are shunned and ostracized once you dare to sincerely questioning. You understand loyalty and obedience, but you dont understand or appreciate self integrity or loyalty to what is most likely true. I get it. In the past it was a dangerous and very unpopular stance. Today, social communities have sprung up for people, including former clergy who can no longer accept Christianity as anything but man made and carefully cultivated over the centuries for purposes of control. Whenever conflict arises, people divide into their religious ideologies, finding the other tribes dangerous. Religion is tribalism 101 for good reason. People feel much more secure in a tribe than alone or in the out group.

[@hfranklin2009]

@@stenblann9784 At first I thought you misunderstood me, but it now appears you were just looking for a soapbox.

[@stenblann9784]

@@hfranklin2009 Seems as though I took your response much more seriously than you took my "soapbox". Forgive me if I assume you have no good responses to the issues I raised. I would love for you to show how I misunderstood you, and that how a believer who became a disbeliever after decades of research only makes you feel more resolved to believe, or how that strengthens your faith. Explain to me exactly what could weaken your faith. Because it sounds like you have contrived a spot in your mind where heads I believe even stronger, and tails, I believe even stronger. Perhaps you find Pascals Wager a position of honor? For me personally it was the notion that God would know that despite my efforts to hear or feel this gods presence, that if I professed outwardly this falsehood, he would not be pleased. Pascals Wager, on the other hand, based on his probability chart suggests that one should just choose to believe, or fake it till you make it. Are you a Pascalian? Or was your faith strengthened that Jesus was not divine, therefore God exists?

[@luizverdecanna8023]

Suffering Server here does not reflect the rabis assertion saying that the New Testament kidnapped the Old Testament where referred to Israel mentioned several times by Isaiah.

[@user-sm1id4xw7i]

James Tabor is in my opinion the best and most reliable scholar in the woeld today

[@dissidentfairy4264]

I really enjoyed this discussion Dr. Tabor, and I agree that the dead will not be resurrected via their dead bodies. They will receive new bodies. I also agree that Jesus knew full well his predestined mission/fate, he knew he was going to die and be raised. I don't believe he was ever married. 1. It didn't fit in with the narrative. 2. He set an example for us to follow. Paul could hardly encourage others to remain single if Jesus hadn't done so himself. It would be a message of hypocrisy. "Do as I say not as I do,." I also feel that the Mount of Olives was a likely burial site, but at that point, on the third day, I believe his body magically disappeared because "all things are possible with God." I believe he ascended without a trace other than his burial cloths which were left as a sign that he had risen. He was like a master magician, it was the most famous disappearing act of all time:-) If we view things from a human perspective based on the laws of physics we will never understand it. God is not governed by the laws of physics. He possibly resides in the 12th dimension, even we as humans are governed by the number 12. I really enjoyed your thoughts on John and all of the historical details that you presented in regard to him. I'm going to search for your John video right now:-) 🧚‍♀

[@dissidentfairy4264]

@عدالت_حقیقت_وحدت I can appreciate the fact that you took a long time to write your thoughts on the immortality of the "soul," and to be honest, I wish you were right. I too would like to think that we instantly go on without any lapse in time or existence, but the truth is we don't. The Bible teaches over and over again, and consistently so I might add, that we are living souls. When we die, so does our soul. Genesis 2:7 tells us when God formed us from the dust we became living souls. The Bible mentions that "souls" do work. It speaks of the soul as having emotions such as depression and fear. 1 Peter 3:20 says, "who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In the ark a few people, only eight souls, were saved through water." As you can see, living humans are considered "souls." Genesis 1:20,24 says that animals have souls as well. The Bible speaks of men hunting for Moses to take his "soul". It also says that the "Son of man came to give his "soul" as a ransom. Matthew 20:28. Ezekiel 18:4 says, "Behold, every soul belongs to Me; both father and son are Mine. The soul who sins is the one who will die." Notice that it says, the soul that sins will die. Which proves the soul is not immortal, that it is capable of dying along with the body. Both Elijah and Jonah asked that their souls might die when they were in distress. Is it reasonable to conclude that they were asking God to permanently preclude them from eternal life? No! They were asking for some temporary relief in this life, not permanent annihilation. The Bible teaches the hope of a resurrection not the immortality of the soul. John 5:28, 29 28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment. The Bible figuratively speaks of those who are asleep in death as awaiting a resurrection based on them being in God's memory. Obviously they are not literally sleeping, if they were, there would be no need to bury them under the ground. We would just leave them out on display waiting for God to bring them back to life. Daniel 12:2 "Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt." The Bible also says that some of the dead will not be brought back to life until the thousand years have ended. So if they have an immortal soul, where is it hanging out for the thousand year duration? Floating in limbo? Somewhere in the cosmos? In a black hole? The truth is our soul dies along with our bodies. It is the substance that keeps us alive while we are still living. Once we die our soul dies along with it. At that point, we are only a memory in the mind of God for future consideration. Did we love God with our whole heart and soul? Love our neighbor as we love ourselves? Or did we think only of ourselves and enjoy what this life had to offer with no consideration for God? If so, we may find ourselves on the wrong side of where we want to be. In terms of your analogy regarding "sleeping" and "spiritually dead" goes, you are mixing two separate issues. Yes, Jesus did refer to people as being spiritually dead, and you are right, he was referring to letting the spiritual dead bury the dead, but you are associating those who are asleep in death with being spiritually dead and that is incorrect. Some who are "asleep" in death might be spiritually dead, but others have been faithful servants of God and are awaiting their reward to eternal life via a resurrection. Show me one scripture in the Bible where it says our "souls" go to heaven upon death? You're going to be hard-pressed to find one.

[@dissidentfairy4264]

@fanabudrogh9241 Wow! That was quite an essay. I can see we are on a different page in terms of how we believe and interpret various Biblical passages and doctrines. You did however mention Luke 23:43 as your proof of an immortal soul? Or of an instant resurrection? Here's the thing, it all depends on where the comma is placed in that sentence which can change the entire meaning. If we go to an interlinear translation which is far more accurate it reads >>> "And He said to him truly to you I say today with Me you will be in Paradise." There is a vast difference between the original intent versus a Bible translation that chooses to slant the meaning to fit their doctrine or narrative. If one were to go by this translation for example, >>> “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.” One may conclude that Jesus literally meant the same day, but if you read the interlinear version which is a more accurate translation it takes on an entirely different meaning. It doesn't mean the same day at all. It only means that eventually he will be with Jesus in the kingdom. If you notice there isn't a comma before "Today" in the interlinear quote. The comma placed before "Today" changes the entire meaning. Anyway, I wish you well in your quest for truth. It's what we all desire to obtain:-) 🧚‍♀

[@dissidentfairy4264]

@fanabudrogh9241 P.S. I'm half asleep so I'm not sure if I made myself clear. What I meant to say is this, the placement of the comma is everything, Example: “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.” It implies that he will be with Jesus that very day, but if you adjust the comma you could end up with this >>> “Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise.” Do you see how the placement of the comma changes the entire meaning? Keep in mind there is no comma in the interlinear version. The comma was added by translators who no doubt worded it in such away to try and support their immortal soul doctrine.

[@dissidentfairy4264]

@fanabudrogh9241 Most of the commentators are no doubt same-like minded regarding the immortal soul, hellfire, and trinity doctrines, which are all erroneous, so it's not surprising to me at all that all would be in agreement, if in fact they are, But keep this fact in mind, Jesus didn't rise until the Third Day, so it would have been virtually Impossible for him to be with him That Very Same Day. Think about that one! 1 Corinthians 15:3-7: "...that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures..."

[@dissidentfairy4264]

@fanabudrogh9241 I'm not dismissing the scholars as you suggest, I'm just stating fact. What makes you think I believe that Jesus' "physical body" was resurrected? I don't. I believe he was resurrected with a spiritual body, not a physical body. How do I know the thief wasn't raised Before Jesus Christ on that same day? Because the Bible tells us that Jesus had that honor. "And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy." So now we know that the thief did Not precede Jesus and enter the kingdom of heaven first. Does that mean that Jesus lied to the thief? No! It simply means that the translation you are so certain is right is misleading. It means the comma is in the wrong place which is giving the wrong impression that "today" literally meant today when Jesus said it, when it did not. Jesus was truthful when he told the thief he would be with him in paradise but not on the same day. My guess is, the thief is still waiting to be resurrected, but when he regains cognizance it will be to him as if Jesus just said it. There will be no measure or lapse of time. I believe that Jesus established his heavenly kingdom when he rose from the dead, and we are still waiting here on earth for God to establish his kingdom which we pray for in the Lord's Prayer. When Jesus establishes his earthly kingdom same as it is in heaven the dead will rise First according to the Bible. This shall no doubt include the thief:-) 🧚‍♀ One last thought: If someone in your family said, "Guess what I found out today, we are going to Disneyland. Would you take it to mean you were actually going today? Or would your first thought be when?

[@EpicurusStan]

Was Jesus suicidal?

[@ralphproscia4934]

Why would not the wedding feast at Cannan be Jesus's wedding???

[@christophermanley3602]

is the groom not referred to in that story as a separate person?

[@christophermanley3602]

“And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there: and both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.” ‭‭John‬ ‭2‬:‭1‬-‭2‬ ‭KJV‬‬ Why would Jesus have been invited to his own wedding?

[@the_golden_bough8541]

Kinda sounds like James Tabor is being interviewed by Nardwar.

[@GHELM-wp5yj]

This is the "vain imaginations" of man and his understanding of GOD.Whatever one believes in his own mind is hearsay,the truth is found in the WORD, not in religion. Man has turned the true "church" into different sects where the teaching is not of Christ, but what man thinks. Jesus set us free from rituals of religion, from physical duties to spiritual truth. No man is regarded as above another. To be saved is not up to a church, but those that trust and believe in Jesus Christ, no man can send anyone to hell, because that person is only accountable to God,.

[@isabelrice4494]

Often wondered if the wedding at Canna was the marriage of Jesus perhaps to Mary Magdaline who truely loved him deeply?

[@andrewharchar891]

Wow way off! Study the Bible for about another year before commenting!

[@isabelrice4494]

@@andrewharchar891 And you *know* that? Well discussion would be better than scolding. The truth is you don't know whether Jesus was married or not !! (BTW, I will comment !)

[@christophermanley3602]

@@isabelrice4494 Sorry for the previous commenter’s attitude. But my understanding is the Wedding of Cana story refers to Jesus and the bridegroom as two separate people.

[@christophermanley3602]

@@isabelrice4494 “And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there: and both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.” ‭‭John‬ ‭2‬:‭1‬-‭2‬ ‭KJV‬‬ Why would Jesus be invited to his own wedding?

[@isabelrice4494]

@@christophermanley3602 Thank you Christopher.

[@ready1fire1aim1]

Q: how can you study the Bible for decades and still not know Good from Evil, God from the Devil and Genesis 1 from Genesis 2? Is it because you only read censored Bibles? Try the NOG if that's the case. Only Bible translation I've seen that doesn't remove the titles of God and name of the usurper/deciever.

[@xifangyangren9997]

200AD Jesus in India. Acts of Thomas

[@andrewharchar891]

James has articals explaining that, Jesus didn't go to India, !!!!

[@xifangyangren9997]

@@andrewharchar891 or did he?

[@dansaber4427]

Why do you call me good? I Think Jesus is really a cynic and what Peter discerns the Messiah to be is really the opposite of Jesus.

[@dansaber4427]

@Mike JJJ it's a different wording I'm trying to get my comments to appear

[@dansaber4427]

​@Mike JJJ this comment is visible. Too many buzzwords in my other comment

[@dansaber4427]

@Mike JJJ I prefer to look at it as them challenging me to really try hard. Which I'm happy to do.

[@dansaber4427]

@Mike JJJ they should be punished but it feels good when you develop a workaround

[@Thomasw540]

John Mark is the Beloved Disciple and the author of The Gospel of John, which he wrote in response to Papias's urging and as deliberately integrated into the Gospel of Mark, which was written by Cornelius, the centurion featured in Acts 10. John Mark became the publisher of The Gospel of Mark in Alexandria and was part of the editorial committee that provided the final shape of the Gospel of Mark. John Mark's copyist are the source of Mark 16:9 - 20, which, even in an English translation, has the unmisakable syntax of the Gospel of John, especially John 21, after the Resurrection. Matthew is a plemic written to support Peter's Judaizing agenda. Christianity ceased to be a Jewish provenance with Matthew 8:5 - 13,, The Italian Cohort became the New Wineskin into which the New Wine of Christianity was poured with the unilateral covenant cutting ceremony in The Gospel of Peter that is the analogue to the unilateral covenant cutting ceremony between God and Abraham in Genesis 15. The Gospel of Peter is the original text of the intelligence report Tiberius received from Judea that compelled him to propose to enroll Jesus in the Roman Pantheon, which the Senate rejected, according to Tertullian. in Book V of his Apology. The term Christianity was first introduced to the Roman elite at this time: Christianity is a formulation of the Roman soldiers in the same way we called the communist soldiers in Vietnam "Charley" Mark 15 is an edited version of The Gospel of Peter, which Cornelius related to Peter when they traded notes on Jesus in Acts 10. As Pilate's intelligence report, The Gospel of Peter was conveyed to Rome under the Roman signals protocol of euangeliou, which became the code word for what we call Quelle as an intelligence archive in Caesarea, Paul referst to this archive 19 times as euangeliou in his Epistles, including his end zone celebration of Philippians, relative to his successful defense of the Epistle of Romans in front of the Italian Cohort. Romans 13:1 - 7 validates the culture of republican servant leadership that supplied the stability of the Roman legions and the Empire until Constantine dismantled it after the Milvian Bridge. The word of the Resurrection went through the Roman legions like grass through a goose. Cornelius and Jesus share obedience to Yaweh, Queen of Battle, the Goddess of Duty. Cornelius wrote the Gospel of Mrk from the same world view as the Command Sergeant Major of the US Army, who has an office across the hall from the US Army Chief of Staff. The Mission-Men-Self priority of military leadership is the servant leader ethos Jesus was trying to instill in his Disciples. Joh Mark was 12 years old when he first encounters Jesus in Bethany during the Passover 27 CE, in the middle of his preparation for his Bar Mitzvah. He is familiar to all the authorities of the Temple and not from Galilee which taints Peter, and allows hem, John Mark, to be in the room during the interrogation of Jesus. John Mark was also with Jesus during His Passion in Gethsemane and is the young man who escapes naked from the Temple lynch mob. Joh Mark travels with Jesus and the Disciples in John 4. 5. 6 and Mark 6 from just after the Festival of Tabernacles CE 29 until just before Passover CE 29 and just after the feeding of the 5000, which transforms a synch mob riled up by the execution of John the Baptist, to a Galilee militia the sine and organization of a Roman Legion. John Makr was something of a mascot, like a bat boy on a traveling exhibition based If you apply Hegel's critical literary analysis to the Gospels and Acts instead of the dialectical Marxism of the Post Modern Historic Deconstruction that became the conventional wisdom among anti-war protestors in the 60 when you were avoiding the draft, these things would be self-evident. I mean, John Dominick Crossan is a Irish Marxist agitator, right out of the Plough and the Stars. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

[@3r2w1c]

Peter was Enoch! Jesus would have known that, but couldn't reveal it like he knew John was Elijah. He couldn't, so didn't tell John or Peter. Forbidden knowledge! At that time but not now! James Tabor was Paul's teacher, and wrote the book of Mark. You can believe that no one could know that, but you'd be wrong! I seek to be the servant of all, a fellow servant and prophet, and my testimony proves that I am. No one wants to hear it yet though. Keep watching as Babylon falls.

[@antonius3745]

I'm still astonished how literal he takes the texts. Tabor fails, in my eyes. to see the hidden messages'. The church-father Eusebius could shed some light on the title of Simon, called Peter. The title Rock, Tsur in Hebrew is a reference to the temple. The texts of the Gospels are still written in the perspective of the temple , although it has been destroyed, when the Gospels are written. Secondly there was some antagonism against the establishment first to the Sadducees and later on, when the Gospels were written, to the Pharisees. That all is reflected in the verses concerning the calling of Chepas. Thirdly, the title the Rock has some connection to God, as an alternative name for Hashem. and the servant of The Rock is the high-priest. All this are allusions to the weird verses of the anointing of Jesus in the house of the lepore Simon in Bethania. Here also comes Eusebius in, who tells us that James, the brother of Jesus, was a high-priest according his information, and that he was killed by the Sicarii around 64. Interesting because this is also the second name of Judas. For me this is a hidden allusion to what happened in thsoe days before the destruction of the Temple and that got mixed up with the life of Jesus. Judas, as bishop Spong +, convincingly has proven, is not a historical figure, but a construct from the Gentile-church, as depicted in the Gospels and reflects the conflict between Judaism and the proselytes. This conflict is for me the basis of the overwriting of Pauls letters. All points to the Jesus-movement as a antagonist way within Temple-Judaism. and developing after the sacking of Jerusalem, to the Gentile form that we call Christianity.

[@davethebrahman9870]

There is no reason to assume any of that.

[@antonius3745]

@@davethebrahman9870 Why?

[@davethebrahman9870]

@@antonius3745 Absolutely no connection between the Temple and Cepha. No reason at all to think that the figure of Judas isn’t historical. The rest is very unclear as to meaning where it isn’t just speculation.

[@antonius3745]

@@davethebrahman9870 Let me enlighten you. In Judaism an other name for God is haTsur. When Ben Gorion made the constitution of Israel in 1948 he had to include the religious tradition (he himself was secular). So they went on to make a foundation on which traditions the Jewish people were founded. So they came on the tradition of HaTsur in Hebrew, In Aramaic Chepas. The Temple is build on a rock itself. And that Rock was called the seat or footstool of God. The servant (high-priest) was called the servant of the Rock. That tradition is still depicted in the Dome of the rock today. And wonder, or believe it or not, inside the Dome is a text in Arabic, that identifies Isa, Jesus as the servant. So that objection you mention here, is not consistent. The letters of Paul are overwritten by an author that writes fluent Greek sometimes even Athenian or Attic Greek. We know that Paul did not have that ability, as is shown in many phrases he writes, telling his personal experiences, in a very bad koine-Greek with much Semitic influences. That Judas is not historical, is as clear as daylight. If one compares all the reports on Judas' death they are not consistent and are all references to text form the Tenach. Luke even holds two different versions! I advise you to look at the video of bishop Spong on it. And why does Paul not mention Judas, as being the one, who betrayed Jesus? Paul does not mention a betrayal in that sense anywhere. Such a thing would be part of the narrative as it was passed down in tradition also to Paul. Even the Didache doesn't mention that! And last but not least: the gospels are no historical records of the life of Jesus but a catechesis (esp.. Matthew, as all Synoptic ones, John is an other type of Gospel), for the proselytes of those days. This catechesis was drawn according the lines of the Jewish liturgical calendar of Synagogue of the 1th century AC. Mark starts with Rosh Hashanah/Jom Kippoer/ Mikwah (John)/ becomes baptism, and ends with Pesach and the Passover becoming Last Supper. All the Gospels tell the narrative of crucifixion and resurrections as the conclusive narrative of Jesus life. There are even clues that Mark and Luke also used the narrative lines of the Greek classics of Homer, to tell it for those Greeks in their tradition also. This is no speculation but the result of thoroughly practiced linguistic an historical evidence and ongoing studies over the last 200 years of Biblical research, first in Europe and now also in the US.

[@davethebrahman9870]

@@antonius3745 The Aramaic for ‘stone, rock’ is כיפר, the origin of Peter’s name. The equivalent Hebrew word is אבן, not צור. Aramaic also has the word טור, which Hebrew adopted, and which refers to a flattened rock or mountain. There is no connection at all between the name for Peter and the Temple Mt.

[@bridgetbold6867]

Obviously Jesus predicted his own death. Thats the whole reason he came to earth. I hate this discussion. It made me sick.

[@TheDanEdwards]

" It made me sick." - why?

[@dissidentfairy4264]

I agree with the first half of what you said, but why would you hate this discussion?

[@mugikuyu9403]

@@TheDanEdwards “People who don’t believe like I do make me sick.” - basically

[@bridgetbold6867]

@@TheDanEdwards because it was lacking in spiritual insight, he makes it sound like Jesus did not have ABSOLUTE afore knowledge of His death. So it made me feel ill. Jesus was partly God He knew vzry well from the beginning what His role was.

[@bridgetbold6867]

@@mugikuyu9403 Not at all its the minimising or even questioning of Christs absolute afore knowledge of His crucifixion that is blasphemous. Subtlety casting doubt. It madd me feel ill.