Dead Messiahs Who Don't Return

This special lecture from 2009 is an expansion an academic paper I gave at the Annual Meeting of the American Academy of Religion in 1997. You can download the notes at my blog: jamestabor.com/dead-messiahs-...
This lecture was part a Biblical Archaeology Society seminar, publishers of the premiere archaeology magazine, Biblical Archaeology Review. It is used with permission.
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[@unrecognizedtalent3432]

Tabor always manages to capture my respect and admiration. I usually consider that American good old boy approach as an immediate red flag when watching Biblical scholars, but Tabor seems to have an actual hungering for the truth of things which sets him apart!

[@robertbrown7470]

It is the truth you want to hear.

[@unrecognizedtalent3432]

@@robertbrown7470 No doubt!🙂🙂

[@juliemooney6663]

Dear James. I just want want to say how your knowledge and passion has helped, u tube will reach millions. Your work will not be in vain. Thank you I can listen to you for hours.

[@donnakeizer1468]

Nonsense.

[@darnellgriffin6005]

What a foolish, selfishly glorified statement. Is he your God too?

[@robertherring9277]

Thank you. As a jew, this adds so much context.

[@mooshei8165]

@@alphaomega1351 are you a Jew?

[@70AD-user45]

At 3:52, "this generation the prophecies WERE fulfilled". Tabor doesn't understand Biblical eschatology or the second coming. His knowledge is the same as a fundamentalist. He's got the second coming and the eschatological end of days WRONG. He's just another average pastor that doesn't understand the Hebraic mindset.

[@ryancataldo2499]

Dr. Tabor was easily my favorite professor. This guy's knowledge is incredible.

[@hezecomp]

Anyone who had this man has a professor is very unlucky!!! Nobody can force anybody to go to Heaven. He who is unrighteous, let him remain unrighteous- The Savior- Master Jesus- the Son of God is coming soon.

[@mooshei8165]

@@hezecomp you think you’re going to heaven with that graven image of a man God dying on a wooden idol cross as your profile picture? Lmao! That’s not even Jesus!!

[@omnitheus5442]

@Pharisee Spot you seem completely esoteric with that response...

[@johnmichaelson9173]

@@hezecomp Who cares Tabor has a gift he makes everything interesting & explains things clearly. Let's be honest this whole religion thing could be stuff & nonsense yet he makes the viewer involved & fascinated.

[@70AD-user45]

At 3:52, "this generation the prophecies WERE fulfilled". Tabor doesn't understand Biblical eschatology or the second coming. His knowledge is the same as a fundamentalist. He's got the second coming and the eschatological end of days WRONG. He's just another average pastor that doesn't understand the Hebraic mindset.

[@Fig5000]

This was a fantastic lecture, and the information got more and more exciting as it went on. Thanks, Dr. Tabor!

[@erichodge567]

This was very, very good.

[@paulconcadora9395]

Very good stuff, thank you very much,

[@ncarmstron]

Wow. A lot of apologists who have zero understanding of biblical scholarship commenting here. Why?

[@historicalbiblicalresearch8440]

They seem to bomb certain videos

[@stewartthorpe2533]

Because apologists are afraid of people learning and thinking from unsanctioned sources

[@anjaykumarkc4551]

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[@BetrayerSlayerMusic]

I'm going to the desert. You see housing? Hell, I've been sober almost five years!!! No more unGodley men or system. You have to be that change. Get offline. How's that?

[@thecanaanite]

All day 😂 it's so funny

[@nicolesawyer-jm6ir]

Your work is so important. Thank you 🙏🏼

[@suzybailey-koubti8342]

I so enjoyed this, Dr Tabor. Thank you!

[@donnakeizer1468]

I wouldn’t want to be him in front of Jesus Christ at WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT, Go o shepherds chapel GEn, 1 - Rev. 22 . EVERY WORD TAUGHT FROM A SCHOLAR,

[@littleswol1]

Brilliant. You are my favorite NT scholar. Thanks for this Dr Tabor!

[@carlosgaspar8447]

one of the few speakers to ever mention albert schwitzer.

[@70AD-user45]

At 3:52, this generation the prophecies WERE fulfilled. Tabor doesn't understand biblical eschatology or the second coming.

[@KingoftheProfane]

Dr Tabor is always good.

[@70AD-user45]

No he isn't. At 3:52, this generation the prophecies WERE fulfilled. Tabor doesn't understand biblical eschatology or the second coming. He's not interpreting the Scriptures from a Hebraic context but is instead interpreting them from his own world view.

[@bobSeigar]

​@@70AD-user45Proof or gtfo. Empty accusations from a nobody.

[@busterbiloxi3833]

Jesus never came back. You are wrong. Misguided.

[@colinmilton8823]

@@70AD-user45 Matthew 24:30 Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other…….this is the “this generation” prophecy that didn’t happen. verse 34). Almost 2000 years late now so it was a false prophecy. It’s going to be ok. Forgiveness of sins is through repentance, and repentance has nothing to do with Jesus.

[@70AD-user45]

@@colinmilton8823 Haven't you figured it out yet? "This generation" in Matthew 24 is referring to the end of the Old Covenant age of Israel, fulfilled in 70 AD, according to the prophets. Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed and salvation arrived for a righteous remnant (all of them were believers in Jesus), at the end of the Old Covenant age, at the judgement of apostate Jerusalem in 70 AD. Judgement always happens at the same time as salvation. Look back at the Old Testament. The arrival of the New Covenant kingdom age, or the Messianic age, also arrived in 70 AD. Haven't you heard of the 2nd Exodus? From 30 AD (the ministry of the Messiah), to 70 AD (divine judgement of apostate Jerusalem), there was a 40 year transition period. In this 40-year 2nd Exodus, there was a righteous remnant (all of them were believers in Jesus), who were in the process of coming out of the Old Covenant age of Torah and into the Messianic age of the Church. The 2nd coming (the parousia) was spiritual in nature, "on the clouds of heaven" (Matthew 26, 64), just as it was in the Old Testament when God came in judgement of the nations, also "on the clouds of heaven", which is Hebraic apocalyptic language for divine judgement. Jesus kept His promise of His parousia in fulfillment of the prophets, and returned "on the clouds"; to close down the Old Covenant age; to begin the New Covenant kingdom age; to pass judgement on apostate Jerusalem who crucified their Messiah; and the resurrection of the dead was also in 70 AD. The Old Covenant age was known as the "ministration of sin and condemnation". It was a spiritual or covenantal resurrection of the "dead ones", out of the "ministration of sin and condemnation" (the Old Covenant) and into an everlasting New Covenant which gave spiritual life to a righteous remnant. The Old Covenant symbolised spiritual death whilst the New Covenant gives spiritual life. The righteous remnant inherited the New kingdom in 70 AD. Unlike the Old Covenant (they could not obtain righteousness by living under Torah), righteousness was offered as a free gift to all believers in Christ, but only when the New Covenant age arrived in its fullness, in 70 AD. All things written in the law and prophets were fulfilled in 70 AD, which was "this generation" Matthew 24 was referring to. There is no salvation without Jesus. Without Jesus in your life, you will be cast into the lake of fire in fulfillment of Revelation.

[@junepatterson7928]

Thank you so much.

[@sonjapetrovic2809]

EXCELLENT!!! Thank you. 🔥🔥🔥

[@erinmeggik391]

Verse >James 1:27 KJV( Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To Visit the fatherless and widows in their Affliction, and to Keep himself unspotted from the world.) The religious leaders keep us confused 😂

[@sonjapetrovic2809]

@@erinmeggik391 Unfortunate, but very true! 😔

[@dbarker7794]

Reading the comments from Christians about blood and being saved from eternal sin by the death of the son of god and why God had to kill his son is just so weird. Been reading the Bible for decades and marvel at what people believe....and condemn others for not believing.

[@Vigula]

God didn't have to kill his only Son. That's completely false teaching, something of Luther's doing, among others and shoved down the throats of gullible, well intentioned people. It's completely nuts and not what any sane person would think of in relation to a loving father. For goodness sake, please get it right before you start criticising, best regards, A

[@subcitizen2012]

So you agree with him but still tried to correct him on what you agree with him with. 🧐

[@Vigula]

@@subcitizen2012 Sorry, but er..don't understand how you have come to your conclusion. Maybe it's my use of the phrase 'God didn't have to kill His only son' which upon consideration might be assumed to mean He did kill His only son. If so, thanks for the pointing that out. Of course, God neither had to nor did kill His only son. Hope that makes thing clearer, regards, A

[@70AD-user45]

At 3:52, "this generation the prophecies WERE fulfilled". Tabor doesn't understand Biblical eschatology or the second coming. His knowledge is the same as a fundamentalist. He's got the second coming and the eschatological end of days WRONG. He's just another average pastor that doesn't understand the Hebraic mindset.

[@markantrobus8782]

Old Testament Abraham made up from whole cloth and Moses relates to Akhenatun. See book The Secrets of the Exodus. Why are people wasting their time on religions based on myth and made up stories with no corroborated historical foundations. Wake up!! God is real but has no use for linear time. Damascus document. Paul was persecuting Essene community outside Jerusalem hence Gnostic. Etc. Wake up people! Read the Tao Te Ching or Bhagavad Gita or Dhammapada or Chuang Tzu and put away all these childish things!! 🦎💦

[@femaleswolf]

Thank you 👁️

[@laserbera19]

This is fascinating. You have such an easy teaching style, your students should count themselves lucky...

[@winniethuo9736]

I am very lucky accessing a teacher who is relaxed and willing to teach me in the comfort of my own chosen time. ❤

[@davashorb6116]

Fascinating!

[@theunapologeticjew]

Excellent, I wondered how to pronounce it in today’s Torah Portion

[@zilchnilton]

Very interesting lecture. Recommended by Mythvision

[@darnellgriffin6005]

Mythvision...🤭...👍

[@NisoHollywood]

Heard some of his views I definitely agree on!

[@scienceexplains302]

Heard of this channel from MythVision

[@miovicdina7706]

Me too

[@ncarmstron]

Same.

[@stevenv6463]

Me bush.

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@@stevenv6463 🤣

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I got it through Gnostic inormant.. so cool 😎 so much clear understanding information.

[@eddiemartin1671]

Great 👍

[@AhamBramhasmi01]

I am your fan sir

[@70AD-user45]

Why are you his fan. At 3:52, "this generation the prophecies WERE fulfilled". Tabor doesn't understand Biblical eschatology or the second coming. His knowledge is the same as a fundamentalist. He's got the second coming and the eschatological end of days WRONG. He's just another average pastor that doesn't understand the Hebraic mindset.

[@MrBrainache]

Thank you for these amazing videos Dr Tabor. On the off chance that you read these comments, I hope you won't mind if I ask a question: The Habakkuk Pesher mentions someone called "Absalom". Josephus also uses that name when describing "Menachem The Essene". Are they the same person?

[@Brutuscomedy]

Interesting timing in watching this. I bought olive oil soap this morning made in Palestine. I never made that connection with the woman's anointing of Yeshua.

[@SobekLOTFC]

Thank you for this! That's a great price for digital access to the BAR.

[@McadMcad]

Mount Tabor, Portland, Oregon

[@ChristopherCudworth]

This artwork ischemic first I’ve seen that is likely accurate of the naked state of those being crucified.

[@matthewgibson8977]

Great video! Thanks for helping me in my deconstruction process

[@abdullakuthyala6476]

What a heart rending scene it is.! A prophet of God is presented naked on cross. God cannot be so cruel to punish an innocent that too a messenger He sent to implement His commandments especially when he fulfilled His oder letter and spirit.

[@jesusisgod3318]

Jesus is the king 🤴 of king's It's a high priest He is a wise teacher He is A hiller He is the promise savior He is the right hand of God He is the Son of man He is the water of life He is the good Shepard He is the door He is the way He is the life and resurrection He is the lamb of God He is the light of the world We is the word of God He is the bread of life He is the refuge in the storm. Jesus the mesiah.....mesiahnic Christ ===== Christians ✝️

[@abdullakuthyala6476]

@@jesusisgod3318 With all these wonderful epithets you like to see him die a disgraceful death on cross like a hard core criminal.God is merciful to His sincere dedicated and humble worshippers. Don't you see in Torah how He saved Abraham Noah Lut and so on? .

[@jesusisgod3318]

@@abdullakuthyala6476 you must se the plan of God like a big picture, photo. Here is God Master plan 🙌 🙏 ❤ kzbin.info/www/bejne/pqPcqJJufc51edk

[@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388]

The soul that sins has to die. And no remission of sins without Blood., as the life of the flesh is in the blood. All born of Adam have the sin nature, and bound to the grave, our good works have no life in itself to help us conquer death, that’s why Life Himself steps in to take our death upon Himself and redeem us back to eternal life.

[@abdullakuthyala6476]

@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388 The soul whether it sins or not has to die The remission of sin is repenting and continue doing good. The burden of the sin has to be borne by the person who sins.No soul shall bear burden for another." For each one should carry his own load" Gelatians 6:5 Bible

[@davidchurch3472]

Can one suggest challenging the translation of 'speedily' to mean instead 'lively/enthusiastically' , ie not running hurriedly, but steadfastly, in it's non-immobile rendering?

[@marvinhacking5777]

I don't think "lively/enthusiastically" go with "steadfastly" Being lively & enthusiastic is demarcated (given meaning) by there being an oppositional phase. So you would expect a waxing and waning cycle ... where as steadfast is oppositional to there being a cycle . And moving fast / hurriedly would be characteristics found in a lively disposition vs a slow methodical steadfastness . So maybe you want to re-think what you meant to imply with the steadfast portion ? But doesn't speedily just mean to come to the understanding quickly ? So the teacher created a "Staples" button for the followers so to speak ? Err IDK ... maybe I had i wrong ?

[@70AD-user45]

At 3:52, "this generation the prophecies WERE fulfilled". Tabor doesn't understand Biblical eschatology or the second coming. His knowledge is the same as a fundamentalist. He's got the second coming and the eschatological end of days WRONG. He's just another average pastor that doesn't understand the Hebraic mindset. ANSWER to TABOR'S CONFUSION: Jesus returned spiritually, "on the clouds of heaven", in 70 AD, Matthew 26, 64.

[@robvancamp2781]

One of my favorite games, like waiting to spot Hitchcock in a film, is waiting for Dr. Tabor to mention that he's been to Israel recently...😅

[@natalieres3698]

LOVE

[@WoundedEgo]

Re: Habakkuk 2:4... The part about "If any man draw back..." only appears in one of the six versions extant in Greek. It is not part of the Hebrew, DSS or the majority of extant texts. Also, the LXX I have has, "the just shall live by MY faith"! Hab 2:4 is a faith-killing verse re: reliable transmission.

[@elisejaudon925]

@9:00 I do believe they were also "partying it up ", as compared to those you speak of.

[@WoundedEgo]

Might not "gathering" be referring to raising up an army? What is the Hebrew/Aramaic word being used? Strong's number would be very helpful. Thanks.

[@allenhonaker4107]

Does anyone know if the area around the caves has been surveyed with ground penetrating radar?

[@busterbiloxi3833]

Go there and make a thorough study yourself. They might have missed something.

[@JohnDee0]

Air as a source of life and existence (Anaximenes) was pretty close ...Maybe the omnipresence of magnetism which permeates the whole universe manifesting itself in different patterns of vibration (including light) is the source of everything...

[@jason666king]

Neal brought me here. But Derek brought me to Neal 🤔

[@laurawhite4118]

If your thoughts are sinful the same as actions.how can you stop the thought before it even comes? You can stop the thought once it starts but it's already to late.how do you be holy if you can't stop thought right away?

[@busterbiloxi3833]

You are neurotic. Forget about it!

[@ashishmantri3684]

Someone said truth was bitter and hard to accept and it is so ,if people have a lot of hard time beliebe the scientific method atleast to predict the working of the material world ,how will they even have the ability to judge a truth like morality etc which are slippery but yet important to humans

[@eternalgospels]

In my comment i intend to refute your statement about Mathew 24 concerning "this generation". But before I do, I would like to add your credentials and experience are both respectable and impressive. Thank you for this content. Now to the pressing matter; Your statement would be true about "This generation" (Genea:Gevec) if Jesus didn't allude to Jeremiah. We know that Jesus and the gospel writters often times alluded to the Neviim indirectly without the use of key phrases such as "In the scriptures". Once you find such indirect pharaphrased instances of the OT, then we can confidently stablish this was the common practice of the gospel authors. This generation refers to Israel as a whole, as a race, Genea in greek, as you already know, can mean group of people, social class, race. In its immidiate context translated to english the intent of genea is lost. By extension, Jesus essentially was echoing the promise made that israel would not dissapear or cease to be a race keeping in mind he mentioned death and destruction in the previous verses. I can give you many examples were idioms lose their original intent when traslated to another language. Example in spanish is this; El artista lanza su disco pronto. When translated in a literal fashion the word "Lanza" would literally be translated to english as spear. So its english redering would read like this. The artist spear his new album. Please note that words in the translation aren't present in its spanish original counterpart. Yet I had to add words to convey the same message with the exception of the word "lanza" which in its literal sense means spear, yet the message conveyed in spanish is "release". If we translate the word "release" back to spanish assuming we dont have the original in spanish it would not be translated back to "lanza" but probably to "suelta". In this brief example we can see some idioms or phrases cannot be translated literally from their original counterpart.Jesus uses keyphrases such as "seas roaring" Stars "falling to give light". Since the end will come when he shows up, the very heavens will be shaken, but in the meantime israel will not cease to exist only until the end when the heavens are shaken out of place. He echoes a promise made in Jeremiah 31 that israel will exist until the end of time, since he mentioned death and destruction he is assuring that thought these things will come upon the nation it will not disapear, cease exist. "My words will not pass away" is to reinforce the promise. "This is what the Lord says, he who appoints the sun to shine by day, who decrees the moon and stars to shine by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar- the Lord Almighty is his name: “Only if these decrees vanish from my sight,” declares the Lord, “will Israel ever cease being a nation before me.” This is what the Lord says: “Only if the heavens above can be measured and the foundations of the earth below be searched out will I reject all the descendants of Israel because of all they have done,” declares the Lord." Jeremiah 31:35‭-‬37 NIV bible.com/bible/111/jer.31.35-37.NIV

[@subcitizen2012]

If this was something they all knew, then why did Jesus' audience receive the code words literally? And why did they change their story as the movement kept going? Jesus also said in Matthew that only the father knows the time, so Jesus was inherently speaking about something he knew nothing about anyway. Jesus died for the sin of your ignorance so you might be free to live without its burden on yourself and others.

[@bluntforcetrauma6333]

These comments are gold

[@mzmscoyote]

Thank you for mentioning the Branch Dravidian’s. I had imagined they would present a new martyrdom that has not, apparently, happened. “They didn’t have a Paul” explained it for me

[@knowone3529]

Been here the whole time neverleft

[@joemedley195]

I’ve read the Babylonian Talmud’s account of Jesus bar Panthera. To the oddest part of it, it seemed to me, was that it placed Jesus a century too early. Has anyone investigated whether the writer of that story was confusing Jesus with the teacher of righteousness?

[@busterbiloxi3833]

Yes. Someone has investigated.

[@joemedley195]

@@busterbiloxi3833 Who?

[@RosaGrau2014]

As a Catalan, I can see a parallel with our always waiting for liberation of our nation, generation after generation, the teacher being killed and so on. Maybe Judaism is more entrenched in our society and culture than we ourselves think. No signs either.

[@machintelligence]

Dead messiahs who don't return -- you mean, like, all of them?

[@jeremikenagy5365]

You should change your name to no intelligence...why would you feel the need to say that? Did daddy whoop you to much was mom a crackhead...I'm betting yes on both ma'am

[@georgebrake8065]

JESUS is the MESSIAH we are looking for, The Son of Man has returned in the flesh once again, Promises made, Promises kept . All Praise,Power and Glory straight to the Almighty God af All,( all inclusive ) 🪶

[@machintelligence]

@@georgebrake8065 Recently? I must have missed it. I would think that might make the nightly news.

[@jwoldner3926]

@@georgebrake8065 .

[@hmao4466]

​@@machintelligence have you never read the Bible? You should try it. It is very interesting.

[@davidcloyd1296]

It’s worth pointing out that he points to the “timeline” of preceding historical documents to cast shade on the validity of Christianity, but fails to point out in his acceptance of Islam that it came about some 653 years after Christianity.

[@Dominic-mm6yf]

He may have?,I have seen much strange stuff that cannot be explained by logic or science.

[@yall2743]

Matthew 24:36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. "

[@subcitizen2012]

Which was written after Mark... and well after the scrolls... that verse is a revision for a failed prophecy. Jesus also said he'd be back before the generation passed... Better repent and sort yourself out, brother.

[@yall2743]

@@subcitizen2012 do not judge, or you shall be judged.

[@davidpersson250]

Evo won against intelligent design in court

[@barnsweb52]

Look at the Hebrew Matthew - the kingdom parables - he went away on a long trip - not to pretend otherwise as Paul did.

[@cwellik805]

Maybe the resurrection of the dead messiah is in the raising up of the next?

[@FrankPCarpi]

That's the first time that I have seen a real depiction of the crucified Christ completely naked on a cross.

[@brettforseth3276]

I'm 3 min into this video and you left us hanging wondering who anointed Jesus.

[@JamesTaborVideos]

Unnamed woman in Mark! Possibly Mary Magdalene. See jamestabor.com/was-mary-magdalene-the-same-person-as-mary-of-bethany-a-guest-post-from-jeffrey-butz/

[@brettforseth3276]

@@JamesTaborVideos thank you for that. Its plausible. Although I see that as a more of a burial ceremony and body preparation. The messiah figure would need for the anointing to be done prior to his ministry. An official declaration act performed by the prophet of his time. John the Baptist maybe. John baptized in water and Jesus then after performed a separate baptism. Gospel of John states this. I don't like to reference the gospel of Phillip but it fits when describing Jesus baptized w olive oil and its referred to as baptism by fire. Olive oil is somewhat flammable.The act was called the chrism. Therefore the Christ was the anointer* performing that act. Paul confirms this by calling the baptism of Jesus the baptism by fire. The 🔥 probably was metaphorical rather than literal.

[@JamesTaborVideos]

@@brettforseth3276 Yes, historically, I have no idea, I was thinking more of Mark's theological idea--of Jesus being "anointed" as a suffering Moshiach...not a triumphant one...and by an unnamed woman...so you anoint a "dead" Messiah, just as the Centurion in Mark confesses Jesus only at the end--when he is dead!

[@brettforseth3276]

@@JamesTaborVideos extreme altruism to the point of death before dishonor. Seems legit only if the supernatural dividend pays off.

[@user-kj8yl6sn2z]

The most important question is, is Jesus a prophet, the son of God, or God? I watched Sheikh Othman bin Al-Farouq's discussions with priests and missionaries, and I see his argument is strong

[@babmushe]

No where in Deuteronomy 22 is divorcing and remarrying permitted, even conditionally, but rather it focuses on marriage violations.

[@subcitizen2012]

Tomāto, tomàto. It's all just a huge millennias' long example of why religion is generally a bad idea. It gets people arguing about nothing and making shit up about how to deal with the "other" people.

[@mickylove76]

Which ones have come back?

[@busterbiloxi3833]

General MacArthur and Arnold Strong.

[@alhassani626]

The Day of the Gathering refers to the return of the Dwellers of the Cave who led the Essene rebellion of Simone Bar Kokhba as referred to in the 18th chapter of The Quran and The Prophet like Moses was Prophet Muhammad who became a prophet to this community who were living in the deserts of Hijaz.

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

Moses said the Prophet would arise from among their people, not Arabs. God picked Israel alone to deliver the covenants and prophesies to the families of mankind fulfilled in Christ as the light to the nations, with the Levites alone vested with the authority to canonize holy writ (the New Testament follows this Torah instruction with St John and converted Levites as corroborated by internal and external information including western and eastern Christian traditions and the Talmud of all places, despite what modern mainline western academia would have us believe). Muhammed and the Quran are simply and completely tone deaf to the God of the bible’s plans and instructions and is an immense satanic diversion from His divine operation on a level rivaling Darwinism.

[@dustinellerbe4125]

Dr Tabor, do you think that "Jesus" could have had a different name, or was Paul just making something up about being given the name above all names?

[@billweir8824]

Actually 'Saul' was now 'Paul' disassociating his old persecuting role of Jesus followers to now become Christs greatest preacher suffering so much indeed filling up the sufferings of Christ because of his preaching efforts 😊

[@billweir8824]

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[@yongmeiGao]

15:38 teacher of righteousness

[@TheLookingOne]

In the first centuries BC and AD, how many Jewish and Israelite groups believed that a messiah had died and would return?

[@busterbiloxi3833]

Many. You’re welcome.

[@eamonbreathnach4613]

What is he trying to prove or disprove??

[@jacovawernett3077]

God spoke to my right ear from Heaven above. My thoughts did not make my right ear drum tickle nor did my thoughts create a burning Spiderweb that did not burn 8.4.2015 when God spoke to me. It is my birthday 3.11.

[@jacovawernett3077]

@eBrian when I heard God's voice it didn't sound like my own voice. He also taught me things I never thought about or new. Additionally I didn't think God would speak to me. You never know when. I asked God His name. He answered, Fundamentally E. I answered, energy of consciousness that suffuses everything. Every proton, neutron, electron, quark, spark of light and black hole. He answered, don't forget the science.

[@70AD-user45]

At 3:52, "this generation the prophecies WERE fulfilled". Tabor doesn't understand Biblical eschatology or the second coming. His knowledge is the same as a fundamentalist. He's got the second coming and the eschatological end of days WRONG. He's just another average pastor that doesn't understand the Hebraic mindset.

[@jacovawernett3077]

@@70AD-user45 there are many people who mis interpret the Bible. Everyday people ascend to Heaven. It is God that put Prophetic visions behind my eyes. 8 heard His voice 20 times in my 61 years. One of the smartest things He said, when you notice something there is a reason. Most times He said one sentence. 11.11 2015 morning. I lived in Honolulu, Nimitz highway. I woke that morning and God said, you are rain. I walked out to the balcony. Stretched my arms to the sky and said, it's time for a rainbow. Immediately a double rainbow appeared beside the building and reached out to the Pacific Ocean. I was astounded. 11.17.2015. Ewa aka Eve Beach early evening. I couldn't find a book reading so I sat under the stars alone. I asked God His name. He answered, Fundamentally E. I answered, energy of consciousness that suffuses Everything. Every proton, neutron, electron, quark, spark of light and black hole. He answered, don't forget the science. Then He asked me, what side of the blade are you on. I answered, on the side of the righteous my words are my sword. Then He showed me my ascension to Heaven in a beam of white light. And then my baby self beamed to earth in an egg of white light. Then He said, make Israel one. You are Anchor. Behind my eyes appeared my birth last name Wernett. A t spun around and made an Anchor. I didn't know what that meant. I asked people but no one knew. I Googled. It's the symbol of Christianity before the crucifix. The world is not ending. The first time God spoke to me was 8.4.2016 morning. I was getting ready to do a crossword puzzle in the newspaper behind my mother's house. There's a woodland preserve, a pond and a 8 foot hedge between the houses. I was sitting in the grass next to the hedge. God said, I'm sorry. You are the one. Take a leap. People have worked very hard. People earn what they learn. When you notice something there is a reason. Don't give anything away. In the hedge was a burning spiderweb that did not burn. I never saw anything like that before. When God said, don't give anything away He was testing my heart. Yeshu of Nazareth when he fed thousands with 2 fishes and 5 loaves they multiplied when the basket was passed. I went to Easter service alone 2016 and told no one. During service God spoke to my right ear from above. He said, where is your Mary Magdelene. I walked outside and immediately got a text asking where is your Mary Magdelene. I was stunned.

[@dadedowuh]

❤

[@waitstill7091]

Many Christians reject the Jewishness of Jesus, because of Paul. "...and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ..." Philippians 3:8

[@mihailgae-draghici4864]

@@xyz.9140 wrong

[@xyz.9140]

@@mihailgae-draghici4864 deut 32:8 cnt lie..

[@mihailgae-draghici4864]

@@xyz.9140 '' deut 32:8 '' is 100% True! What worries you??

[@russelldavis4938]

Maybe the Son of Man did return in 79 AD. What Christian would have been there to report on it. There seems to be a lot of missing history in those days.

[@geraldamos292]

I like this guy

[@MoonFlowerCreations]

Ecclesiastes 1:1-18

[@pamcatello9136]

I find your picture disrespectful of the crusfiction

[@matthewkay1327]

Thank God for Paul.

[@rainman7769]

Why because he invented New religion and cancelled the law's , you like that living with no laws.

[@matthewkay1327]

@@rainman7769 /facepalm. We are condemned by good laws. I like hsving a saviour that can pay for my sins.

[@rainman7769]

@@matthewkay1327 is Jesus become your pullet target, Jesus humalted and spot on and got raped for you, waw so you can do whatever, Jesus paid your bill, Paul told that, I know for sure Jesus didn't say that , Jesus said Luke 13:5 (KJV) I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.John 15:22 (KJV) If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin. Read your Bible, Jesus teaching you follow The commands save your save from fire nobody's can die for you.

[@matthewkay1327]

@@rainman7769 Ok. Good luck with fulfilling the law. Only one guy I know of did that.

[@rainman7769]

@@matthewkay1327 Jesus came to fullfil the law not cancelled them Matthew 5:17 (KJV) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.the Big man said it not me, so no body can save you man expect you

[@RosaGrau2014]

So many fanatics commenting here...

[@wardelllindsay8677]

The Teacher is Yeshua, student of Joshua ben Perachiah! Jesus is 100 Before of AD.

[@davidchurch3472]

James, I accept that the term 'gathering in' IS used in biblical useage to refer to the gathering of the soul back to the Universal Spirit on High (or back to God); BUT the same term 'gathering in' is used in parables of Jesus in relation to gathering/garnering believers into the community as well; so could the useage in the documents also refer to the re-gathering of the community back after the scattering in physical life as well as souls into spiritual life? Indeed, the parallels in two meanings may have been a key understanding in setting the text down for remembering. It still follows the standard that there is one superficial understanding for those who 'do not hear/see', and a different and deeper one for those who do?

[@greatestannouncementmadeev629]

I’m right here and been “out” since 2/22/22. I suggest you contact me Mr. Tabor.

[@jeremikenagy5365]

I'll contact you...is everything ok? God bless,

[@heidibrown997]

Terribl😢e twisting of Scripture. Praying for thos man.

[@dustinbennett3297]

It's spot on! Goliath had for brothers too. But David had a sling and 5 smooth Stones.

[@TheTemen9]

Sorry it was David and not Daniel who fought Goliath.

[@dustinbennett3297]

@@TheTemen9 I always get them confused. Kinda doesn't matter what name you attach to it tho. The stories are all the same narrative. Kinda adds to the point I'm making. Some people can quote the bible verbatim but miss the entire lesson.

[@70AD-user45]

At 3:50, "this generation the prophecies WERE fulfilled". Tabor doesn't understand Biblical eschatology or the second coming. His knowledge is the same as a fundamentalist. He's got the second coming and the eschatological end of days WRONG. He's just another average pastor that doesn't understand the Hebraic mindset.

[@bluntforcetrauma6333]

@@70AD-user45😂😂😂😂😂

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

BAR (Biblical Archaeology Review) has no problem in publishing negative opinions about the Shroud of Turin which inform the reader that "sober observers" think that the Shroud's carbon fourteen evidence in irrefutable proof of a medieval date. Prof. Tabor apparently shares the viewpoint of the BAR editors.

[@bobSeigar]

It's fake, cry.

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

Of course it is a fake. The scientists who examined it in 1978 with four tons of instrumentation were lying when they said the Shroud's images were not painted and were not the work of an artist. I am sure that you are well aware of all those lies. (LOL!)@@bobSeigar

[@edwardmiessner6502]

70 ce - 1967 ce "The times of the Gentiles". Now what?

[@joshuabolgen9162]

Zechariah 13:7 "Strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered, and I will turn my hand against the little ones." This is the reason why the Lord states in Matthew 12:30 "Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters." Also relating to "smite the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered" is Matthew 24:43 "But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into." Sounds like the Peter falling asleep incident. My point is Christ the real Christ would have left before judas returned, why? John 14:30-31 "I will not say much more to you, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold over me, I do as the Father has commanded me, so that the world may know that I love the Father. Rise let us go from here." This is eternal Life referring to death by saying "he has no hold on me" Christ never died however did ascend. This is the true meaning for the phrase "the old king is dead, long live the King." the "King of kings."

[@billybobwombat2231]

If one places no value on the bible these words are basically moot.

[@joshuabolgen9162]

@@billybobwombat2231 your thesis holds no weight due to the fact. "You can teach a monkey, to behave and act like a human, but at the end of the day it's still a monkey."

[@patricialmt5272]

I still believe Jesus rised from the dead and He is coming back fiscally with a glorious body . Is about faith . This world is a hot mess .

[@Room-gf7vy]

“This world is a mess” is a pagan Greek concept adopted by the church. Aristotle popularized this 350 years BCE. The God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob disagrees with you and Aristotle: Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

[@inzenjerduje9391]

@@Room-gf7vy Yes but man sinned and Earth was cursed and damned.

[@Room-gf7vy]

@@inzenjerduje9391 you just invented that it is not at all biblical. When God calls something good he does not change his mind. Numbers 23:19 “God is not a man, that He should lie; Neither the son of man, that He should change his mind. “ A man who sins (the Hebrew means “miss the mark”) does not damn the earth that God calls good or any other man. Adam doing wrong cannot damn another man. Ezekiel 18:20-23 20”The soul that sinneth, it shall die; the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father with him, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son with him; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. 21But if the wicked turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all My statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. 22None of his transgressions that he hath committed shall be remembered against him; for his righteousness that he hath done he shall live. 23Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith Hashem your God; and not rather that he should return from his ways, and live?”

[@inzenjerduje9391]

@@Room-gf7vy So Yahawashai(Jesus Christ ) will not destroy Earth in the end(few years from now)?

[@Room-gf7vy]

@@inzenjerduje9391 correct. The Jesus did not fulfill any messianic prophecies and that is why the “second coming” was invented. It is found nowhere in tanahk. The idea that a messiah is God is also nowhere in tanahk.

[@williambeckett6336]

More to the point in practical terms: I think "jesus meek and mild" and being a dead messiah were, from a life-in-the-streets point of view a necessary marketing decision. Why? By at least 117 C.E. you I doubt you could SELL a warrior messiah (the traditional motif) because far too many had already in the last century and a quarter had been ending up on crosses and taking thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of their fellow Jews with them to the crosses, death in the mines or arena or simply lifelong slavery. Whether they were followers or not. The stomach for rebellion was seriously wounded by the 66 revolt, deeply soured by the Kitos war and retribution (115-117) and completely sick of by the time Bar-Kokhba's revolt was put down. Many of the revolt leaders messiahs, whether self proclaimed, claimed by the populace or just believed by their armies. And all of them brought devastation and misery to Judaism itself. Because: Just because you were a Jew not living in Judea in 66 you were still far from safe. Namely when a province revolted ethnic enclaves in Roman cities stood a very good chance of getting a visit from the "torch and pitchfork brigade." Mob violence against ethnicities for the actions of a far-flung province was common and often state sanctioned. The Gauls for example were frequent recipients of pogrom violence and mass death. The motif for a Jew to deny Judaism and/or start a new branch to avoid direct association was never higher in their history.

[@robsellars9338]

There seems to be an inherent danger in connecting the Jewish writings with the later New Testament writings. The Christian teacher Paul probably had the most extensive formal Jewish training in the Torah than any of the disciples of Jesus BUT it is clear that his understanding of the deeper QBLH of the Torah (like most jews) was not complete or he would not have switched sects to the Jesus sect. It would seem Paul switched for egoic reasons as he would have been viewed as an intellectual powerhouse compared to the other members of this text.

[@inamiler9448]

Depends on how you define GENERATION! I think Jeshua JUST means the genealogical tree of Israel and Jehuda.

[@subcitizen2012]

If Jesus actually said it, and for his audience to hear it, it was probably how THEY defined a generation. Aka 40 years.

[@claumeister1]

Our esteemed professor certainly doesn’t waste much money on clothes ! Never seen him wear anything but a T shirt. Maybe he’s always on his way to or from an archaeological dig ...

[@billybobwombat2231]

Or he holds intellectual to a much higher standard than superficially accepted fashion, apparently the jesus guy dressed in very simple and humble clothing , food for thought 🤔

[@vaselivezaj1857]

Waiting for Godot

[@paul1der]

i would call John the baptist as the messiah from aaron since he is a levite and Yeshua is from from israel.

[@oldernu1250]

Were Helenized rabbis the wicked ones?

[@mistaman4638]

That would be a redundant question, All of then are nailed to the cross an never returned lol..

[@alanschuetz9552]

How can one compare the anointing of the Ruach HaKodesh on the incarnate Son of Man just after His tevilah on Chag Tirosh in 34 CE with that of mere anointing oil reserved specifically for human male priests and kings? That’s why the incarnate Yehoshu’a HaMashiach will return at the beginning of the third age in 5881 AM-immediately AFTER the Tribulation as He prophesied-to establish His Millennial Reign ON EARTH. But, the story doesn’t end there… #QuestionEverything BTW, it was three literal yomim (15-17 Abib) after His crucifixion and burial on Pesach (14 Abib) in 36 CE-before the annual Sabbath which was the first day of Chag HaMatzot (15 Abib)-when He was resurrected as Lord of the weekly Sabbath on 18 Abib. You know nothing about Torah nor the Enochian calendar employed by the “sect” called THE WAY (Gr. tēn Hodon/Heb. HaDerech) mentioned throughout Acts as well as the sectarian manuscripts of the DSS. The Maccabees/Hasmoneans usurped the Levitical priesthood from the sons of Zadok, who considered Jerusalem and the Second Temple to be defiled. They founded Qumran in the desert wilderness of Judea (i.e., the prophesied “voices crying out in the wilderness” and true “wise mean of the east”). Yochanan went there to study; see Luke 1:80. The married members of this “sect” resided in Damascus. Where was Sha’ul going to persecute the men and women of THE WAY? ALL modern churches and synagogues (as well as schools of “higher education”) are chock full of false traditions (embellishments not in Scripture), precepts of men (manufactured theology), and doctrines of demons (assimilated paganism) as was prophesied. Tabor is just another false teacher!

[@subcitizen2012]

Do you want to get crucified? Because this is how you get crucified.

[@alanschuetz9552]

@@subcitizen2012 If you actually knew the Scriptures, then you’d know what my end game is… to be beheaded for Joshua the Anointed during the Tribulation so that I can partake in the first of two future resurrections and serve as a priest of the order of Malki-tsedeq during His Millennial Reign on Earth. BTW, there was no Roman crucifixion… Joshua the Anointed was hung on a tree PER TORAH for the false crime of blasphemy. So, such a term means nothing to me… even figuratively. Matthew 12:8 "For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.” 9 Departing from there, He went into their synagogue. 10 And a man was there whose hand was withered. And they questioned Jesus (lit. Joshua), asking, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?”-so that they might accuse Him. 11 And He said to them, “What man is there among you who has a sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will he not take hold of it and lift it out? 12 How much more valuable then is a man than a sheep! So then, it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.” 13 Then He said to the man, “Stretch out your hand!” He stretched it out, and it was restored to normal, like the other. 14 But the Pharisees went out and conspired against Him, as to how they might destroy Him. (NASB 1995) John 19:4 Pilate came out again and said to them, “Behold, I am bringing Him out to you so that you may know that I find no guilt in Him.” 5 Jesus (lit. Joshua) then came out, wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe. Pilate said to them, “Behold, the Man!” 6 So when the chief priests and the officers saw Him, they cried out saying, “Crucify, crucify!” Pilate said to them, “Take Him yourselves and crucify Him, for I find no guilt in Him.” 7 The Jews answered him, “We have a law, and by that law He ought to die because He made Himself out to be the Son of God.” (NASB 1995) Deuteronomy 21:22 “If a man has committed a sin worthy of death and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, 23 his corpse shall not hang all night on the tree, but you shall surely bury him on the same day (for he who is hanged is accursed of God), so that you do not defile your land which the Lord your God gives you as an inheritance." (NASB 1995) Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us-for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”- 14 in order that in Christ Jesus (lit. Joshua) the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. (NASB 1995) #QuestionEverything

[@openmind3344]

in the medium of book

[@dikhed1639]

LOL, I was reading that Torah bit you told us about and the researchers used psychedelic mushrooms to read it. LOL, what a good joke. Is it true that "religious" researchers are allowed to use magic mushrooms but the rest of us are not? Hypocrisy. Maybe Joseph Smith REALLY DID read the "golden tablets"?!

[@robertbrown7470]

How many Messiah's did the Jews expect?

[@mjt532]

48:24 I wonder if the christian community living in the mid-60s would know about this text. If Mark was written in the 60s or 70s, they almost certainly wouldn't have access to mark... But is it reasonable to assume that they would have had access to this speech of Jesus? (Or, maybe Mark placed the speech in Jesus' mouth right around the time the Jerusalem and the temple were being destroyed?)

[@ptk8451]

You arestarting with the hypothesis that prophecy is not possible .Start with the hypothesis that it is and see where that takes you

[@mjt532]

@@ptk8451 I said "maybe." I acknowledged that Jesus may have said this.

[@dannylinc6247]

The believers knew the christology and creed by knowing, utterance, and the hymns before it was given in writing in the Gospels. Paul knew it from his time of conversion and his time alone in the wilderness communing with Christs Spirit. He made a few trips up to Jerusalem to find out what Peter, James, and John had to say. He stayed with them and discussed with them, he gave his gospel message and they had nothing to add. He tells us in first Corinthians. So he didn't need to read Mark. He didn't need to read any of their written words later penned and officially released in Greek as the Gospels. Christ gave him even more. That's why he wrote and had his secretary type guy write, most of what is in the New testament. Before being blinded by Christ, he wasn't a believer, he was a Pharisee and a persecutor, even a killer of Christians, or "followers of the Way".

[@thomasbeckett1245]

Didn’t Caesar anoint himself when he was in Egypt 🇪🇬? He had a discourse in a lighthouse, they made a movie 🎥 about it.. every once in a while the people have a leader. There is always a snake 🐍. Good and evil.

[@lennyjohnson9331]

Has anyone ever told u that you look like Tony Dow ? Wally cleaver of leave it to beaver ... At this very moment , I'd say identical twins in the level of comparison,,,,come to think of it ,u sound as well like him also , wow ! Hey! , he was a great personality in tv , your 2yrs younger then him tho , same age as me ,.

[@abiyah_1]

josephus became a trader against the People of יהוה Yahowah

[@banikjc]

HOSEA 6:2 NOT VERSE 6

[@RubSLee-oj6nk]

Did you see him die? Or were told he did, what if they gotten wrong guy namely Lazarus?

[@godstasney1095]

This time if one hair on my head gets harmed earth will go by by mentors comets blue cachina planet x men's hearts will fail them