Something I didn't bring up in the video is the economy. Every faction fulfills its own very specific role in society, which means they would have to trade among themselves for goods and services. But there's never any mention of money or a barter system that was set up. Based on that, we can assume that they just share everything among themselves, giving food and medicine to whoever needs it. This is reinforced by Amity looking like an anarchy-communist utopia where no one accumulates wealth and the land is owned collectively. But then why are the factionless treated like regular homeless people? Poverty, or at least income inequality, only makes sense in a capitalist or feudal system. It seems like the factionless should be receiving their share of food and shelter, not just whatever Abnegation gives as charity.
@PowerSkiff125 жыл бұрын
do "carve the mark" its made by the same person
@beatthegreat70205 жыл бұрын
Same problem as Panem
@debreczeniarpad99565 жыл бұрын
Maybe they have no rights at voting, lawmaking, or fewer rights at judging
@alexanderb77215 жыл бұрын
Just try reading the sequels to maze runner. It is true garbage.
@debreczeniarpad99565 жыл бұрын
MazeRunner: why arent we building some ladder stuff?
@Kayla-mh5ry4 жыл бұрын
"I'm calling him Tobias because four sounds stupid" Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave.
@thegerda90304 жыл бұрын
Just a fun fact: when I read the books in my language, they had changed the name to Quart, which sounded pretty nice to me, and I never really thought about the name being weird When I went to the movie and the translators had kept the direct translation of Four, it just felt ugly and sad
@hyperion31454 жыл бұрын
The Romans used to have names that just described the month or what order the child(ren) were born. Octavius for “eight”, Nonus for “ninth”, etc. It just sounds nice if you don’t know Latin. I wouldn’t be too surprised to see a guy called “Four”.
@Carabas724 жыл бұрын
@@hyperion3145 Americans used to have names based on virtues. Prudence, Faith, Charity... Things like Bravery or Justice for boys.
@hyperion31454 жыл бұрын
@@Carabas72 That's very much still around nowadays, especially in the states. Still not as nice as "Octavian" for your eighth child
@eletgres5194 жыл бұрын
how the fuck is saying that controversial? everyone knows calling some dude 4 is retarded. I know im ruining some """"""joke"""""" in a youtube comment but even then i fucking hate the controversial yet so brave meme. Its a bad reddit meme that sucks ass
@TheHopperUK4 жыл бұрын
When I first read Divergent I was convinced that the secret would be that *everyone* is divergent and keeping it secret from everyone else.
@personette76173 жыл бұрын
That sounds so cool
@quarter__doux98433 жыл бұрын
That sounds better actually
@man-throwing-thing3 жыл бұрын
That would be hilarious
@asi-princess3 жыл бұрын
Bruv your a better author than the author herself
@cookies23z3 жыл бұрын
Yes I also thought this... it seemed so obvious, everyone has a strong point, but they arent one trait personified... rip
@ponternal3 жыл бұрын
Its like if society was completely based on those online personality tests
@TheRisky93 жыл бұрын
You see! It does have social commentary...
@pinkajou6563 жыл бұрын
YES LMTO THATS HILARIOUSLY ACCURATE
@vedih49683 жыл бұрын
Oh lord it's so accurate
@skaionex3 жыл бұрын
@@pinkajou656 LMTO? laugh my tits off?
@skaionex3 жыл бұрын
@@thanatonyxmoura what power ranger* are you
@ronan16863 жыл бұрын
She's the main character because she's the first person to have multiple personality traits 😭
@coagulatedsalts47113 жыл бұрын
no. she's the main character because she doesn't have ANY personality traits. 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 she's a dollar store katniss.
@averyjohnson77282 жыл бұрын
@@coagulatedsalts4711 maybe if you actually read the book, you’d be able to actually see that she DOES have personality traits.
@qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm3093 Жыл бұрын
Not the first, but sure.
@FigmentPigmentCrosserTosser Жыл бұрын
@@coagulatedsalts4711 shes bella swan on crack
@illusionaryheart3325 Жыл бұрын
@@averyjohnson7728PFFFFT
@user-ii4ww7lt1g3 жыл бұрын
There are many holes in the story. If erudite are hungry for knowledge, they should want to cross the walls since the break of dawn
@toothfairy101333 жыл бұрын
I think I have a vague memory of erudite being evil? but that doesn't explain what happened to the people who moved there, no way did anybody move from amity or dauntless or whatever and just go "yeah okay we're evil now"
@briannakaldor-mair99583 жыл бұрын
Also, and I haven't read it so maybe they address this, but why would they kill divergents? Wouldn't someone with multiple interests and skills be incredibly useful to a society where most people are only capable of/interested in doing one thing?
@briannakaldor-mair99583 жыл бұрын
@@toothfairy10133 Also oh goody, reinforcing that old trope of 'Experts/smart people = evil.'
@inamib.97863 жыл бұрын
@@briannakaldor-mair9958 the point is these books make no sense. There were so many times I had to put the book down and reflect on how nonsensical it was. I couldn’t read past the first book
@mj26253 жыл бұрын
The real problem is that Erudites aren't being literally dragged back into the city for trying to cross the fence to get plant samples or some shit idk
@eynapoli4 жыл бұрын
I once read a comment saying Divergent is the Hunger Games with Hogwarts houses and I've never seen something more true
@insertnamehere24624 жыл бұрын
It is
@weesa95684 жыл бұрын
Insert Name Here oh god it’s Lorenz Hellman Gloucester
@insertnamehere24624 жыл бұрын
@@weesa9568 my name is Lorenz Hellman Gloucester
@Ant-vu2tx4 жыл бұрын
Selin-Aleyna Ravenclaw except it makes less sense.
@eynapoli4 жыл бұрын
@@Ant-vu2tx obviously
@kaseym20403 жыл бұрын
The main factions are basically: the hippies, the edgelords, the lawyers, the missionaries, and the google employees.
@Thatdistantmirage3 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@saeepimpalnerkar80552 жыл бұрын
Omg lol
@Lizzie4202 жыл бұрын
I read “good employees” lmao
@bennyton25602 жыл бұрын
ah yes the pillars of society
@phryg2035 Жыл бұрын
that's basically real life
@Spazified3 жыл бұрын
NGL, I broke a wheel on my desk chair and I'm an incredibly cheap person. I grabbed Insurgent and Allegiant from the bottom of my shelf and used them to prop up my chair for the next 6 months.
@jamieferne93173 жыл бұрын
Now, unlike the story, they have a purpose
@temxasred30863 жыл бұрын
Finally gave them a proper use then,eh?
@pinkajou6563 жыл бұрын
@@jamieferne9317 dang, burn
@ellusiv51213 жыл бұрын
pirate that shit if you're incredibly cheap
@a2izo2 жыл бұрын
You used (last tense) the books to prop up your chair for the next 6 months (future). Are you Veronica Roth?
@chiffoncakeandtea4 жыл бұрын
The main character is special just because she's a normal human being. Bruh
@arikbader21143 жыл бұрын
exactly that is so dum and is a real let down
@grilledcheese50003 жыл бұрын
With the name "Divergent" they really had a chance to make neurodivergent characters and they straight up didn't take it. I suppose that's probably for the best though, since let's be honest, the representation would been bad...
@blackog78203 жыл бұрын
@@loganduncan8789 Yhea, I think it's fair to say that part wasn't so out of hand. This time James makes it sound worst than what it actually is.
@blackog78203 жыл бұрын
@@loganduncan8789 Well, he made some good points too: Who makes all the other things everyone needs, like clothes, edifices, and furniture? Why gobernment remained idle when people started murder one another? What's the point of facction selection if it is predisposed by the genetics? What does make the person? genetics? or family? The author should thought about those things and how to make facts and acts from everyone fit right. But it's ok, it isn't so bad, some good histories like Starwars and GoT haven't been all well worldbuilded neither.
@blackog78203 жыл бұрын
@@loganduncan8789 Well, that answer is valid. But we had to build it by ourselves, so... It still doesn't look like the author cared about the worldbuilding. From my personal perspective, the first two books (I just watched the movies) even though haven't a deep worldbuilding are great because of the history, nothing like the jewells from Asimov and Arthur Conan Doyle, but at least entertaining, even exciting. But the third one... that's just merch for the fans with a cheap plot for filling.
@aaljustaal18905 жыл бұрын
. . .There was world building?
@glazed_waffle56294 жыл бұрын
An attempt at it anyways.....
@ararepotato14204 жыл бұрын
Your profile picture makes the comment so much better.
@nghtspawn6514 жыл бұрын
House of card placing...
@kaylen49304 жыл бұрын
It’s a disgrace to world building. She took a modern city, and repurposed it for her needs That’s how you get gems of lines like, “We met at the Hub, which was once known as the Hancock building.”
@aggressivepianonoises8134 жыл бұрын
Kaylen ah yes. Now that I know it was once known as the hancock building, I can instantly and totally imagine how this place looks, it’s function, and it’s purpose relative to the story. 10/10 wonderful literary masterpiece.
@imnotactiveanymorelol88673 жыл бұрын
When you realize that the Divergent series is the actually the result of a drunk one-night stand between Hunger Games and Attack on Titan.
@christiancolon87483 жыл бұрын
I see it as hunger games had a child with the sorting hat from Harry Potter
@elenasalvatore32243 жыл бұрын
Sorry but hunger games and divergent are very different except the theme
@missimperfectlyfine73 жыл бұрын
true lol- nice armin pfp
@claphamomnibus5123 жыл бұрын
@@christiancolon8748 plus the dangerous environment beyond the walls from Attack on titans
@awhahoo3 жыл бұрын
@@claphamomnibus512 Well I mean, the US government just fenced them off right and continued living, (ive never read it and Im half asleep while reading this), so the US Army would probably be patrolling the outside right?
@seraphim35523 жыл бұрын
Worst part about Allergy is when the POV switched, I couldn’t tell. I legit had to read a sentence explicitly stating that Tobias was looking at Tris to realise she wasn’t narrating anymore lmao
@roseglowreal3 жыл бұрын
i know right! i had to turn pages back at the start of the chapter multiple times to find out which POV is it lol
@oskareriksson12583 жыл бұрын
The asoiaf book series for example does these POV switches much better by not having a first person perspective. In third person it is always obviously stated which character is referred to.
@MCuuz2 жыл бұрын
"Allergy" lol
@auirex45572 жыл бұрын
Thank fuck I thought I was the only one
@thatonerandomkid74292 жыл бұрын
@@roseglowreal YES me too!! Their narratives sounded exactly the same, there was NO difference that told me who's POV it was. The way Tobias spoke was exactly the same as Tris' and gave no clues to his personality, and sounded nothing like how he was described by Tris.
@stephaniech66253 жыл бұрын
Every chapter in allegiant has: 1. At least one character die 2. Tris and four kissing 3. Nothing exciting happening
@fizzycolapop3623 жыл бұрын
All I remember from Allegiant was Four being surprised by a deer.
@epekka3 жыл бұрын
jesus christ was it really every chapter???
@stephaniech66253 жыл бұрын
@@epekka i remember stopping my reading to count and confirm multiple times, you're welcome.
@aaronlandry39343 жыл бұрын
I have to force myself to read that book for an English class. Wish me luck as I suffer through it
@ender43443 жыл бұрын
Aripup :D bruh I read the books a few months ago and remember nothing. When did that happen?
@SmashedTomatoes5 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised you never bring up the fact that being detergent is apparently extremely rare, yet give it a few pages and 50% of people are. Because that totally makes sense.
@murphmariotwopointoh77145 жыл бұрын
I don't remember the Divergent books mentioning people becoming detergent. Must be extremely rare indeed.
@SmashedTomatoes5 жыл бұрын
C'mon, even [insert Character that had no relevance] was
@pewpewpew32125 жыл бұрын
It’s seen as rare by the general population but near the end of the book it is revealed that a lot of the detergents are coming from Abnegaytion and that detergents are just really good at hiding their detergent
@randomperson85715 жыл бұрын
I think the trick might be that being discovered as a divergent is extremely rare. Most divergent people are able to hide who they are.
@mmmaaarrrcccoomesange89845 жыл бұрын
"Detergent" ?
@iasked82403 жыл бұрын
Buildings, pillars, fences: exist Dauntless: C L I M B
@Thatdistantmirage3 жыл бұрын
They use fricking Odm gear to get over the wall I swear lmao
@myrosesarewithering10152 жыл бұрын
@@Thatdistantmirage lmaooo i love the attack on titan reference 😝🙌
@naomihardy4826 Жыл бұрын
What really bothers me are the names of the factions: Amity, Abnegation, Candor are nouns while Dauntless, Erudite and Divergent are adjectives. WHYYYYYYYY
@hi-xb7ok Жыл бұрын
they were chosen as if the factions each picked there own names without regard for the other factions, in the same way that the faction manifestos are written in very different formats :)
@mnschoen11 ай бұрын
Because the author is an idiot.
@maddieb.428210 ай бұрын
@@hi-xb7okbut why are they all fancy descriptive single words for their personality traits then? By your theory some of the groups would probably have a different format: named after a founder, or with multiple words e.g. “The Good Guys.” Or a brand new nonsense word. If the author wanted to portray the groups as significantly different and completely separated they could have at least committed to it
@hi-xb7ok10 ай бұрын
@@maddieb.4282It’s not a theory, it’s what the author said when someone asked her this exact question.
@CerealExperimentsMizuki8 ай бұрын
Cause the author doesn't know how to write.
@jameswebster24965 жыл бұрын
“if you’re born factionless, do you still go to the ceremony to choose a new faction?” congrats, you just came up with a way more interesting protagonist than tris
@renialatrice5 жыл бұрын
Omg you're right
@tranquilghost5 жыл бұрын
I would like to write a fanfic like that
@DreadBirate5 жыл бұрын
Gavin Rose Do it
@tranquilghost5 жыл бұрын
Jaden Shelton *starts writing one*
@danebirbhaha75205 жыл бұрын
Gavin Rose If you do it so please give us the link so we can read it
@Antonio-gg4vv4 жыл бұрын
I'll never forget Detergent, Insurance, and Allergic.
@zarrg56114 жыл бұрын
An excellent series both for its satire and its worldbuilding. 500 years after the collapse of civilisation society has reformed around a cargo cult worshiping modern consumerism and bureaucracy. The protagonist sells "detergents" boxes believed to contain spirits that will protect the holders clothing from wear.
@paco63094 жыл бұрын
Zarrg omg I’m dead
@Saucemaster2514 жыл бұрын
Zarrg then the fire nation attacked
@NinjaSox74 жыл бұрын
lmfao
@MaDmOnStErQr4 жыл бұрын
@@zarrg5611 The best twist was when those cultists that create and feast on those "pods" and were the biggest reason for the collapse of civilization 500 years ago.
@tinytigertamer3 жыл бұрын
My thoughts on the subject are as follows: -The first book is good -The second book is trash -The third book is a steaming pile of dog poop -The first movie is meh -The second movie is a flaming garbage pile -The third movie so bad I wanted to gouge my eyes out after watching it
@elizabethxavier9433 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@roisinnigcrainn77223 жыл бұрын
There's a third movie? I always thought they stopped after 2.
@tinytigertamer3 жыл бұрын
@@roisinnigcrainn7722 Unfortunately, yes.
@rae46243 жыл бұрын
Third movie doesn't even follow the plot of the book, AND it somehow makes less sense than the book
@coagulatedsalts47113 жыл бұрын
first book had potential. but honestly the author should have stopped while they were ahead.
@3L3CTRICNINJA2 жыл бұрын
The author wrote divergent in a couple of weeks over her winter college break and made something that people enjoyed (and made her rich). I don't enjoy the books but I have nothing but respect for the author.
@palanthas70632 жыл бұрын
A COUPLE OF WEEKS????? It's taken me ages to write about 5 choppy, rough chapters which are in need of drastic changes. I gotta respect her, but I find it laughable that she only took that long.
@jamesjamka Жыл бұрын
Makes sense
@starmorpheus Жыл бұрын
@@palanthas7063 Yeah it took her 50 days to write Divergent according to the Author. Doing that at 22 years old is impressive honestly. I'm sure she's writing much better stuff these days. At least I hope so lol.
@b0nkeror452 Жыл бұрын
@@starmorpheus could be exaggerated or leaving things out
@mnschoen11 ай бұрын
Makes sense. TBF, there are people who make bank by making scat porn. Both involve people who only produce shit.
@Kaz_Rytveld5 жыл бұрын
"History has shown that the only thing that keeps people from boning each other, is geography" That's genius. I cannot explain how much I enjoy that quote.
@s.a.85485 жыл бұрын
And now that geography is out of the way (because planes) you know what's up lmao
@lazergurka-smerlin65615 жыл бұрын
@@s.a.8548 But planes are expensive
@surprisedchar24584 жыл бұрын
Lazergurka - Smerlin Price is just a number in the way of the unstoppable power of the boner.
@candeeartist85904 жыл бұрын
I live for this comment thread
@starbittenpixieboy4 жыл бұрын
@@lazergurka-smerlin6561 they were taken out of the equation
@fen1x_644 жыл бұрын
Basically Chicago takes online personality quizs too seriously
@aareacts32753 жыл бұрын
Bruh
@funny.gon-123 жыл бұрын
Mbti gone wrong .
@wildmoose39793 жыл бұрын
The city of chicago but buzzfeed quizzes decide if you become a janitor or a politician
@aaronlandry39343 жыл бұрын
That’s the actual premise
@09dindaayularasati653 жыл бұрын
More like sorting hat quiz tbh, the factions basically represent HP houses
@donutholebandit6212 Жыл бұрын
Something that always pissed me off about Divergent was the big twist near the end. Not for the usual reasons, though. I genuinely believe that the twist involving the government trying to create genetically engineered humans could have been super cool, if it was done in the exact opposite way from how the series DID do it. So the main character (calling her MC because I don't remember anyone's name and don't care enough to look it up) in my version would still be a Divergent, and people would still be trying to kill her over it. There would still be all the factions, and their personalities would still be dominated by one trait. My version actually leans pretty heavily into that. In this case, there was never a failed attempt to engineer the perfect human. Key word: failed. In fact, the attempt to do so is still ongoing in the form of Chicago. The goal of the experiment is not to create genetically pure individuals, it is instead to breed humans for specific jobs and purposes, using a combination of their engineered instincts and social conditioning through segregation to create basically the perfect drones. Workers and fighters who will not only do their jobs perfectly, but will remain content in doing so indefinitely. The reason why Divergents are hunted and killed, in this case, is because they are the least conforming members of the city to the aims of the American government by the sheer happenstance of their birth. TL:DR - Divergent would be better if the twist was flipped on its head so that the government was actually trying to breed humans with one personality trait as perfect worker drones.
@babyxblue Жыл бұрын
This is brilliant!
@Zalisnki Жыл бұрын
So Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
@donutholebandit6212 Жыл бұрын
@@Zalisnki never heard of it, but it sounds cool! Maybe I should give it a read
@gammagames1413 Жыл бұрын
@@donutholebandit6212 it's certainly a classic. You should definitely read it. The ending is wild though.
@charlomand3r Жыл бұрын
when i finished the divergent series and trying to understand the ending i came to the same conclusion as you did. it would makes so much more sense to do it like you proposed instead of what actually happened.
@tjfm24563 жыл бұрын
I always thought it was weird that the Dauntless explicitly has a set of jobs that is essentially just office work. It’s literally just a desk job where they upkeep the fence and surveillance. So you admit it? There are people in Dauntless who are smarter than they are violent? Wouldn’t that make them Erudite-prone?
@TheRisky93 жыл бұрын
I guess you've never been in the military... neither have I, but a lot of it is desk work.
@strangelyukrainian731410 ай бұрын
@@TheRisky9 Yeah, except that the whole point of making a faction called “Dauntless” is that they don’t do desk work.
@zephyrna62499 ай бұрын
No they just make the human gorillas sit at a desk all day and hope work gets done.
@clashaccount87376 ай бұрын
I think this is why they've collectively managed to achieve jackshit after all those years
@Reverant175 жыл бұрын
Wait, no merchants, no manufacturing, no leisure, no artists, nothing of actual humanity
@imlonelypleasehelp54434 жыл бұрын
William Tecumseh Sherman shhhh
@revimfadli46664 жыл бұрын
Doesn't Amity also include fun & arts?
@imperialguardsman1354 жыл бұрын
@Imaru Lewis well it's called a dystopia for a reason right?
@marekwygnany9244 жыл бұрын
@@imperialguardsman135 Word.
@sethstoll85254 жыл бұрын
Imperial Guardsman nice response
@What-jj9di4 жыл бұрын
The way I thought this was peak literature when I was 12 😭
@lindat81684 жыл бұрын
i am ashamed to say I went through a phase with the movies that lasted about 2 months and wasted all the money I had collected in 6 months to buy all 3 movies. hell is waiting for me and i refuse to burn the dvds cause i want my money back but guess what. no one wants to buy them. wonder why..
@goodnightmyprince67344 жыл бұрын
Better love story than Twilight
@ivystorm21674 жыл бұрын
LMAO ME TOO I remember really not liking most of the second and third books though
@teapocket54864 жыл бұрын
I was 13 and knew this was hot garbage. My ex friends in junior high just called me fake and a hater 💀 I wonder what they think of it now lmao
@tejakausik62054 жыл бұрын
at least you're not alone in ur embarrassment i loved it too lmao
@Camille-cs5bo3 жыл бұрын
almost every single chapter in Allegiant ends with Tris and Tobias fighting then making out. just saying
@esmockingjay97302 жыл бұрын
When I first read Allegiant I really didn’t like it or get it but the second time I read it, I didn’t actually mind it. I don’t think it is as good as The Hunger Games but unlike what people say, I don’t think it was trying to be a copy of it, just another YA dystopia sci-fi thing. But you are right, they kept on having the same fights over and over and it was just a bit exhausting.
@grass78642 жыл бұрын
Theirs is an inspirational love.
@MontCerene Жыл бұрын
I can barely tell if this is a joke or not
@ntfoperative943210 ай бұрын
I always found their relationship annoying because it felt like they got into an argument every 5 minutes, it just didn’t feel like a healthy relationship
@moonl1314Ай бұрын
@@ntfoperative9432 i can't imagine it's easy to have a healthy relationship in a dystopian world
@gaymiens10 ай бұрын
divergent bravely imagines a grim and dystopian world where society is dictated by the elements of harmony from my little pony
@derpfinity41409 ай бұрын
this is my favorite explanation of divergent's premise i've seen so far
@vivivalley6 ай бұрын
this is too accurate haha
@moonl1314Ай бұрын
just watch my little pony instead it's worth it
@VeryPeeved4 күн бұрын
As opposed to actual my little pony, which is a grim and dystopian world where society is dictated by cutie marks.
@emblasokkvabekkr4 жыл бұрын
This trilogy is basically a self insert story for all the "I'm not like other girls" girls
@MarsofAritia4 жыл бұрын
thats every YA ever though
@hmmmooops4 жыл бұрын
With the extra irony that what makes them special is being normal
@Grivian4 жыл бұрын
And they are just like any other girl
@Boricosa4 жыл бұрын
I'm not like the other girls. Because I am a dude
@MeningitisAAA4 жыл бұрын
Those girls are very vain, and only laugh at quirky comedy,which(this is my opinion) isn’t the funniest. Glad I never met anyone like that. Also like another person, they are just like anyone else, just more annoying. I stay far away from them and continue on with my life. Sometimes, that’s all you can do.
@snuggle93395 жыл бұрын
> only humans left > Chicago this is going to go well
@Cards81145 жыл бұрын
>Metra Fails to exist and everyone has to walk >LMAO.jpg
@Rabbit-uc5kg5 жыл бұрын
Tell me about it. I live in Chicago.
@fewl66075 жыл бұрын
living off the link be like
@adamfederspiel6705 жыл бұрын
Considering that I live there, that's pretty accurate
@cielcanterville18344 жыл бұрын
I'm not even American and I can see how this seems promising
@infiniti20113 жыл бұрын
IIRC, the factionless *_do_* serve as the laborers. I think it was brought up in either the beginning of the first book, or Allegiant, where they talk about the bus driver being a factionless. **EDIT** Yes, the factionless are the laborers, on page 25 of Divergent, 2nd paragraph! I don't think the movie showed it though, and that part's very forgettable.
@seronimo__7735 Жыл бұрын
You'd think we'd see them, like, cleaning the factions etc though.
@AleksanderKazecki3 жыл бұрын
"Tris is only special, because she's a normal person" Sounds like kind of an anti-twist to me, since the plot is clearly built around this idea. Which seems to be quite common in teen novels.
@blurryink1154 жыл бұрын
ngl, 14 year old me thought these dystopian novels were peak literature and tried writing my own for Wattpad
@unfortunateonejohnson81143 жыл бұрын
You have a Wattpad account? What books did you write? I would love to read them.🙂
@ChonkedCat3 жыл бұрын
This is wholesome
@unfortunateonejohnson81143 жыл бұрын
@@ChonkedCat Thank you! You wanna check out mine. We can follow each other?!😊
@unfortunateonejohnson81143 жыл бұрын
@@ChonkedCat so sorry I thought your book was called so wholesome!🤣🤣
@unfortunateonejohnson81143 жыл бұрын
@@AdamAufderheide You thought so too right!
@lucasbentley35895 жыл бұрын
Society wouldnt work if everyone was either a farmer, a soldier, a government official, a lawyer, or a scientist.
@clarksorenes71065 жыл бұрын
Lucas bentley Maybe the writer, Veronica Roth, thinks the five factions as "school clubs"? I
@Kareszkoma5 жыл бұрын
I'm not gonna lie. The soldier, gov. off., lawyers.. are very useless in a society. They are mostly needs and a very small percentage. For example, village elders used to be accountants, book keepers, traders, translators, and generally everything that you don't want to spare man on, compressed to one. Wtf would you even do with a population of lawyers? Beside arguing, they don't even have anyone to protect. Farmers and scientists are dope, but only in a small %. Scientist need a lot. They need time, materials, and very complicated machinery, precision toolkits. Such as a measurer for making the gear changer on a car. They are needed, but they are not cheap. But I can understand that and farmer. It's funny how there are no craftsman, or working class.
@warwickthekingmaker72815 жыл бұрын
not useless, but like, there should be one faction doing all of the intellectually demanding jobs like being a lawyer, scientist, doctor, overnor and whatever, and there should instead be some kind of factory goods producing faction and a builder faction or something. As for the Dauntless faction, a military is needed only if there are other societies to fight against, which doesn´t seem like the case here. And while police officers are neccesary, more than maybe 1/1000 of the population would mostly be wasteful. 1/5 of the population being poice officers is utterly riddiculous. Especially when they are trained to be machos and not to actually combat crime and do investigations. They would be the ones comitting all the crimes because they have nothing else to do and have to prove how tough and dauntles they are. Even if a military is needed, it would be better to have only a fraction of those people being actual military and have more people producing military materiel instead, like tanks weapons, and logistic systems. 1000 men with modern equipment, tanks and airsupport with a working logistics is going to beat 200 000 men with home made swords and armor every day, regardless of how macho they are. Overall the only faction that makes sense at all is the farmers, because they perform the only job that actually requires a large amount of people to operate enough farming operations to feed everyone without access to modern irrigation and tractors.
@Kareszkoma5 жыл бұрын
Okay.. so like.. guilds in medieval ages? Because that's what we speak about. 1,) Aristocrat/Elite to oversee land, public matters, trade, and big investments / army leaders. 2,) Traders Guild. People who barter between shops, districts, shires, nations, and waterlines. 3,) Craftsmans Guild. People who produce the toolset needed for humanity. From things like a clay bottle, till iron tools, gears, beams, and others. 4,) Builders Guild. People who oversee/do the craft of homes, castles/defenses, roads, and produce the required materials for the subject. 5, Farmers and Orchards Guild. People who work the land, home-craft, farmsteads, fields owner, animal keepers, bee-keepers, foresters, fishers, hunters, and brewers, country product makers. (sausage, wine, honey) 6,) Et Universitas. Bookmans, accounters, printers, teachers, researchers, writers, and the alike. Classes of: 1,) Low-Class, low earners. People how earn their due in single task and of opportunities. Labourers, fortune seekers, short-time employed. 2,) Landless Middle Earners. People of Manufactoria, apprentices, squires, small-time traders, field workers, keepers, servants, cooks, and the alike. 3,) Landed Middle Earners. Small field owners, house-holds, beekeepers, small time animal keepers and the alike. 4,) High Earners. There are the craftsmans and most of the shop owners. There are those with bigger lands, and fruit-lands. The wine makers, and the builders. The ship-man, and the heavy labourers. The backbone our civilisation. 5,) Trusted Keepers. These people are granted much higher worths. They are given authority if it's trusted on them. The tax of the city, is trusted on them. They can learn and oversee every profession to understand the city and their authority. The city presents them with luxuries, free of charge in limits. They are not judges, but oversees. Kind of like that how I would imagine a basic settings. As you can see, there are no guards here. Because that would be complicated. (more people, teached craftsman, schools, chapel, hierarchy of military, production lines, politics, etc.)
@warwickthekingmaker72815 жыл бұрын
I´m not sure what you mean by guilds here, I thought a guild was a sort of like a company rather than a caste, but if you widen the definition, yeah. I was thinking more about the bronze age caste system, but the difference is that you cannot change caste, you are born in it, but in Divergent you are selected into a faction rather than born in it. If we are attempting to improve the realism of the governmnet however, this might be a bit too far off the actual story, as it introduces an overarching hierarchi, which is realistic but completely changes the feeling of the setting.
@hopscotch10493 жыл бұрын
When I first read the first book, I liked it because I didn't give much thought to it, but I do remember that in the back of the book, there was a short test to decide what faction you'd be apart of, and I got Divergent and I had a passing thought about how in the world it would be possible to get any other answer than Divergent because there was no way people would only have that one trait.
@moonl1314Ай бұрын
unless you're genetically engineered to solve one of these basic human vices: dishonesty, cowardice, selfishness, wrath, or ignorance
@x8makes.1teamx3 жыл бұрын
i love how having more than one personality trait makes you dangerous LIKE WHAT
@Monkeyface6788 ай бұрын
Janine just spread that idea because if there was enough divergent the experiment would end and she wouldn't have power so she killed divergent
@catibarra44965 жыл бұрын
I think what Veronica Roth wanted when creating the factions was to make the sort of impact the Harry Potter houses did. I mean, members of the four houses have some traits in common, rarely interact with people from other houses, and are always proud of the house they belong in. To me, Veronica wanted fans to go around with shirts and beanies saying “Proud Erudite” or some shit like that. The only resemblance I see to the districts from the Hunger Games is giving each of the factions a purpose in society, but it just screams more “bootleg Hogwarts Houses” to me.
@tsukopara20545 жыл бұрын
That’s just it. Rowling’s Houses made sense & she actually bothered to add nuance to the world around them. Roth just wanted to repeat the success of Harry Potter & The Hunger Games.
@user-nf3hh8kn5r5 жыл бұрын
This is so sad, alexa play the sound of failure by the flaming lips
@EspeonMistress005 жыл бұрын
At least the traits were more of stereotypes and there was flexibility. Plus each had multiple traits associated with them not just one so there is no need for a person belonging to say Hufflepuff to only be loyal but also hard-working and kind.
@persephone38925 жыл бұрын
Yeah, houses are actually a normal part of British boarding school.
@Raisa-gb4fh5 жыл бұрын
Lol don't compare the two. Harry Potter is a masterpiece.
@laurenlizzbeth4 жыл бұрын
Hunger Games: a critique of war and what it can do to a person and what one might do because of it, income inequality and the dehumanizing that factors into societies that struggle with it, us vs. them mentalities, and so much more. Divergent: what if people? had multiple aspects? to their personality.?..? sUbVeRsIve mAsTerPIeCe
@atlaszurum4 жыл бұрын
JDJDJDJSKSKS
@giornogiostar32144 жыл бұрын
Hunger games books aren't a masterpiece either
@trashman80804 жыл бұрын
@@giornogiostar3214 at least it makes sense.
@laurenlizzbeth4 жыл бұрын
Tú Nguyễn Lại Quốc ok let’s be fair here, lots of the Hunger Games world building doesn’t make sense either
@trashman80804 жыл бұрын
@@laurenlizzbeth oops, gotta rephrase it, at least it tried to be plausible
@johnfallon95213 жыл бұрын
one of my favorite dystopian city tropes is literally just being in the ruins of Chicago. like, it’s already underfunded, filled with corrupt politicians, patrolled by a militaristic police force. it’s about as close as a dystopian city can get
@averygamerdude79112 жыл бұрын
So basically the entirety of America?
@chinchilla_fandoms95002 жыл бұрын
There actually is a line in the first book that mentions how the factionless do "the hard labor nobody else wants to do" so I think you're meant to infer that the factionless are the low-skilled laborers and things. Not that I blame you for missing this, it's literally one line
@billybegood4664 жыл бұрын
They lost me when they kept going on and on about how dangerous Divergents were, but never established WHY. "Divergents must be eliminated." "Ok. Why?" "Because they are a threat." "How?" "Because they are divergent." Oh, and how about the sudden introduction of "divergent detectors" in the second movie. Initially, they have to put each person through a convoluted testing process to determine what faction they are the best fit for. But in the second movie, which takes place immediately after the first, they suddenly have Walmart price scanners that they can use to perfectly identify what faction any person is within seconds.
@funkyfranx4 жыл бұрын
Well in the books, Janine is the one who wants the Divergent eliminated. This is because she knows that once there's a high enough divergent population, the experiment they're in will end and the factions will be dissolved. Janine doesn't want the factions destroyed because she's managed to rise to the top of the power hierarchy and wants to keep the city the way it is. So she kills the divergent to prevent their being too many. And I haven't seen the films, but the 'Divergent detectors' never existed in the books.
@billybegood4664 жыл бұрын
@@funkyfranx That already makes way more sense than the movies. The movies pretty much had zero explanation or motive for any of the plot. And yeah, in the second movie they had a handheld scanner that immediately identified someone's faction, or whether that person was a divergent.
@brianrns24214 жыл бұрын
arent it self explanatory in the ending that janine wants to eliminate divergent because they would destroy the factioning system and by destroying the faction system means she doesnt get to be the supreme leader
@rodrigolnl4 жыл бұрын
@@funkyfranx But couldn't her just force the divergent into any faction or let them choose?
@fightingmedialounge5194 жыл бұрын
Seems pretty obvious that she is lying billy
@awaywiththefaeries94644 жыл бұрын
My main question during the ceremony in the first movie: did they clean the knife?
@damightypotato4 жыл бұрын
Imogen Howard dunno about the movies but the books gave a new knife to each person
@konradfletcher63114 жыл бұрын
Pool closed due to aids.
@owenwalters55053 жыл бұрын
@@konradfletcher6311 and stingrays
@justagirl...3 жыл бұрын
@@konradfletcher6311 due to corona, more like it...
@Kay_213_3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t want to swim if the pool water was beer either Plz laugh
@Kettl133 жыл бұрын
If you’re divergent you’re supposed to have a complex personality with multiple character traits. SO TELL ME WHY TRIS IS LIKE EVERY OTHER QUIRKY MAIN CHARACTER
@ishathakor10 ай бұрын
because having multiple character traits doesn't make you interesting. it just makes you less of a stock character. like this is a world where most people are ONLY peaceful or ONLY honest. they literally do not have a personality beyond that. they are like npcs.
@clashaccount87376 ай бұрын
@@ishathakor Let's just be thankful the average Dauntless doesn't yell "Stop! You've broken the law!" every time they see someone.
@thesnatcher36163 жыл бұрын
The worldbuilding behind this series sounds like one of those things where the more you think about it, the more insane and nonsensical it becomes.
@miaatkinson10674 жыл бұрын
Actually the factionless do have the low-level jobs in the book, Tris mentions it when she rides the bus that the bus driver is factionless and...I can’t believe I know this
@aaronlandry39343 жыл бұрын
I’ve read the first two books recently for an English class, and I don’t remember that. In the second book, the Factionless are described as just sort of hanging around and not doing anything other than gathering weapons. Seemed like they all were just supposed to be homeless
@wii11993 жыл бұрын
So if the factionless does these jobs, then why is bad they are factionless? Someone has to do these job...
@Air_Serpent3 жыл бұрын
@@wii1199 poor pay/lifestyle and bad living conditions?
@wolftamerwolfcorp74653 жыл бұрын
@@wii1199 For the same reason it’s frowned upon to be a garbage collector, staff at a fast food restaurant, and countless other jobs in today’s world. The jobs themselves are viewed poorly for a variety of reasons and, by extension, so are the people working them.
@sophiaredwood58253 жыл бұрын
I love this comment hahahaha
@incredibleina3 жыл бұрын
I feel like Tris wasn't divergent because she had more than one personality trait, she was divergent because she had none. One of the reasons this seemed like bad hunger games fanfiction was that the main character was basically Katniss but without a personality.
@masync1833 жыл бұрын
this makes way too much sense
@imperialsarcasm3 жыл бұрын
Yeah she was kinda a blank slate
@anayaweick79643 жыл бұрын
That is saying a lot, because Katniss’s personality was also very hard to find. The Hunger Games is one of my favorite books (I wasn’t too big a fan of the sequels), but Katniss was kind of a blank slate as well. Tris was like reading a story about a brick.
@imperialsarcasm3 жыл бұрын
@@anayaweick7964 not gonna lie that's true katniss was a slightly less blank slate
@iagreewithyoubut41103 жыл бұрын
@@anayaweick7964 I do agree, but thanks to the interesting story and great world building, I just don't really care.
@wolfhex32333 жыл бұрын
I read these somewhere between the age of 12-14. When I read about the factions, I just instantly assumed “oh it’s like the houses in Harry Potter” which would probably make more sense as you know, instead of it being their whole personality it was their main trait. Then the series went on to DNA. Pretty sure if they had damaged DNA, the whole race would just die...
@jameson1239 Жыл бұрын
Meh DNA damage doesn’t mean death your DNA is damaged slightly every time a cell divides that’s why you decline as you get older
@moonl1314Ай бұрын
Genetic engineering is a real thing!!
@STN_HZ_FWNZ Жыл бұрын
What bothers me the most is the factionless are a clear jab at blue collar workers, most of the factions are based of college and school cliques and stereotypes yet in the book it is mention that factionsless were “garbage men and construction workers” when I read a book I don’t want to feel like I’m a lesser person just because I didn’t go to college lol because that’s clearly what Veronica Ruth is mocking
@strategicgamingwithaacorns28745 жыл бұрын
"Where is all the menial labor, the sewer-cleaners, trash collectors, et cetera?" WHY THE HELL DIDN'T VERONICA ROTH FILL IN THAT OBVIOUS PLOT HOLE WITH THE FACTIONLESS?!
@clairewarner57045 жыл бұрын
It's mentioned somewhere in the book that the factionless do those roles
@KnakuanaRka5 жыл бұрын
Claire Warner Once. And then never again.
@eeveefanclio36885 жыл бұрын
@@KnakuanaRka if they mentioned it once, why would they bring it up again?
@inkdragon34555 жыл бұрын
yeah. only mentioned once in the first 5-10 chapters as of what i remembered. kinda shitty i know
@amanofculture48925 жыл бұрын
Tris mentions passively early in the first book that that only gross homeless people do that totally lame blue-collar shit.
@metamayto4 жыл бұрын
I laugh at this, but I'm secretly afraid that my writing isn't much better.
@n.m.fergus4 жыл бұрын
Mood
@Desxtero4 жыл бұрын
I feel this....
@hermask8154 жыл бұрын
But you have the decency to wait until you consider yourself more skilled.
@imgvillasrc16084 жыл бұрын
If you consider yourself skilled in plot making and worldbuilding then writing should be the least of your worries. A fantastically written story with a nonsensical plot and lousy worldbuilding is still trash.
@hermask8154 жыл бұрын
IMGvillaSRC Nonsensical plots, hmm, that reminds me of the Pitch meetings: kzbin.info/aero/PL--PgETgAz5FGoatB9KQzbnpv0bgZqU2l (Except nr. 100, that is self referential, see some of the others before.)
@theoscout92057 ай бұрын
Fun fact: There is LITERALLY no way that you can not be divergent, according to the quiz on the official website. It's built so that your results end up buffing more than the answer to one faction at once. After me and my friend repeatedly got 'divergent' as our answers on the quiz, we ended up pointlessly spamming the questions just to see if we could get another test result. One of our test results came out like over 70% amity 30% various other factions and it STILL called us divergent.
@pavladavlas Жыл бұрын
Everyone in Dauntless seems like one of those “I’ll have you know I was top of my class at Navy seals!” people.
@Lthevamp4 жыл бұрын
A better version of the story would be Tris as factionless born. Her character engages with a variety of factions when she goes to get the charity stuff given to the factionless. Factions aren't really seen coming together often or crossing paths (from what i recall), so her engaging with a variety of people builds her into a divergent (not DNA because that whole idea is a shitshow) This works because she's seen how the government treats people, so she can have a real grudge, and it helps round out her character. This would at least be a more interesting story instead of a pretty girl in a decent house suddenly choosing dauntless and revolting. Katniss was poor and that's why she revolted. It would make the stories more similar, but at least it wouldn't have that many plot holes and be half decent to watch
@magicallydelicious16734 жыл бұрын
Write a book
@EmyN4 жыл бұрын
True, but we wouldn't have the initiation progress
@shadowninja9584 жыл бұрын
Does she ever change or develop as a character? I think it's worth considering that she doesn't ever seem to. No one does really, the one character who was even remotely interesting was the one eye'd kid who just dies the moment he's reintroduced.
@IIxIxIv4 жыл бұрын
She doesn't want to revolt until her parents get killed and she personally becomes aware of a plot to kill 16% of the population because the villain is comically evil
@shadowninja9584 жыл бұрын
IIxIxIv what was her goal again btw? I don’t think I ever figured out what it was and she dies in the second book
@meredythwithay51874 жыл бұрын
We have The Hunger Games at home Hunger Games at home:
@Colyde254 жыл бұрын
meredyth with a y The Capitol already blew it up before you got home...
@brynburnham23424 жыл бұрын
omfg yes
@creativeguy1martinez6934 жыл бұрын
I read divergent a long time ago and I never realized it was cashing in on Hunger Games
@aaronlandry39343 жыл бұрын
Creativeguy1 Martinez I have read the Hunger Games before and now that I’m reading the Divergent series, it’s pretty blatant. I’d go so far as to call it a Hunger Games fan fiction, but with Hogwart’s houses. I can’t really describe it as much else
@creativeguy1martinez6933 жыл бұрын
@@aaronlandry3934 omg XD
@BizVlogs2 жыл бұрын
6:08 “low skilled laborers” I prefer the term “essential worker”. I think the skill of keeping a society functioning is pretty admirable.
@zawrator44572 жыл бұрын
"Low skill" as in the learning required to perform the job, not "low skilled" as in "negligible work."
@ishathakor10 ай бұрын
low skilled as in its easier to learn how to operate a cash register than it is to learn how to do surgery
@Semudara10 ай бұрын
@@ishathakor That makes sense... I still think it's a misnomer, though. At the very least, the connotations are highly misleading, given that retail workers typically have to develop *many* skills and also work really hard.
@madeleinep.8287 ай бұрын
When we were 18, my boyfriend at the time showed me the first chapter of a book he started writing that was loosely based on the Harry Potter/Divergent concept of choosing where you'll belong to, except it instead had to do with passing a "weighing" where you pick out of 10 professions that help keep the society in line. It was a more thrilling read than Divergent was 🤷♀
@PaninaroAurora5 жыл бұрын
This series lost me when it established genetic damage as the cause of the societal collapse and the factioning. That struck me as *so* deus-ex-machina. Roth had a great opportunity to use the factions as a metaphor for algorithms, employers, the justice system and the mental health system trying to force us into cookie-cutter personality types. But no, she had to take the lazy way out and make it all about your genes.
@annieboookhall5 жыл бұрын
Or political tribalism (perhaps algorithms being one cause?) Would've been soooooo relevant and really insightful if done well!
@krimsonkarma84124 жыл бұрын
Eugenics bruh
@blurrycryptid4 жыл бұрын
PaninaroAurora (I know this comment is old, sorry. Lol) When he was describing the overall concept of the series, especially the factionless, I thought it sounded like something that would really OBVIOUSLY go in that direction. I wouldn’t even call it “bad worldbuilding” so much as “worldbuilding for the wrong reason” or “wasted opportunity.” Modern society DOES expect kids to start fitting into really rigid roles (with things like standardized testing and punishing kids for relatively harmless behaviors that stem from mental illnesses or autism) and punish people who are simply not as capable of the specific kind of work that’s expected from them, and it would be pretty cool for YA dystopian fiction to teach teens that there’s nothing inherently wrong with you if you don’t quite fit the mold and that the amount you produce for a system that doesn’t care about you doesn’t determine your worth. Some other comments have mentioned that it’s implied the “menial labor” is assigned to the factionless and they’re given less as a result, which if true is kind of a mirror of reality that could be used for that commentary.
@haliax81494 жыл бұрын
Well, the mental health system can describe people by type, and that's not something you can argue against. You really think serial killers don't share personality traits? Yea, they do. And that's how we can classify them. Anybody who says "PEOPLE DON'T FIT INTO CATEGORIES" is stupid, and doesn't understand the function of psychology.
@BM-jy2gh4 жыл бұрын
The series lost me halfway through the second book. After Divergent (Which is ok) the books get really boring and uninteresting.
@sieg-sandrodeshannon30354 жыл бұрын
Oh my God, what's wrong with teachers? The amount of "I'm being forced to read this in my class" comments is frightening.
@binnieskywalker74584 жыл бұрын
IKR!!! My english teacher is absolutly obsessed with this book and I hate everything about it. The writing, the worldbuilding, the LAME AND OVERTOLD STORY, THE WEAK AND UNINTERESTING CHARAKTERS, I HATE IT ALL
@Grace-iv1ho4 жыл бұрын
Binnie Skywalker write a very detailed and well thought out essay on how much this book sucks and give it to them
@biggay75414 жыл бұрын
I had to read this in class in middle school Save us please
@muglymae74084 жыл бұрын
I would only recommend Fahrenheit 451 and 1984. I can’t think of anything else
@rainobservatory82644 жыл бұрын
they're hopefully teaching kids how not to write a book
@Thesilliestsillyman3 жыл бұрын
Ah yes the brilliant series, Detergent, intestine, alligator
@Milkra3 жыл бұрын
This series came out around the time I was in middle school and I remember Allegiant being the first time I didn’t fully enjoy reading a fictional book. I never hated anything I read since I was just a middle schooler kid who had no clue how to tell a good story from a bad one, but the egregious amount of time spent doing nothing at that damn airport will never leave my mind.
@SkafosGnW8 ай бұрын
This was my exact experience, too. To this day, Allegiant is the only book I have ever been unable to finish.
@connieeeeeeeee4 жыл бұрын
Divergent is the reason 13 year old me thought I could make it big on Wattpad and I didn't so I'm mad
@anaelez46254 жыл бұрын
omg stop divergent IS the reason i made it (semi) big on wattpad 😭😂it's also the reason why my book fandom instagram account with shitty edits became decently popular 😭
@sshy_indigoo4 жыл бұрын
@@anaelez4625 What's your username?
@Cybo-184 жыл бұрын
I felt that
@manmoy41044 жыл бұрын
Just write 1d smut on Wattpad that should make u famous enough
@Ashley-Lopez4 жыл бұрын
This comment reminds me of how I’m procrastinating on writing my own stories and publishing them on Wattpad because I’m scared😭
@airstrider98864 жыл бұрын
bro im on acid and this is the funniest shit ever. Struggling to type. Send typer divergents to assist
@rfk22983 жыл бұрын
TYPER DIVERGENTS I-
@littlesamu59203 жыл бұрын
Send the w h a t
@dustoo3 жыл бұрын
Speaking of the funniest shit ever
@user-lp7tx1fe6t3 жыл бұрын
What did you think that sentence meant while you were on acid?
@aaronlandry39343 жыл бұрын
In a lot of ways, Divergent is so bad it’s hilarious to make fun of. I’m waiting for people to remember these shit books exist again
@Halloweenish7 ай бұрын
The most unbelievable part of all this is politicians being considered “selfless.”
@gen2mediainc.577 Жыл бұрын
The crispy microphone adds to the angry vibes, I’m kinda all for it
@jeebuschristos84234 жыл бұрын
The "selfess ones who run the government"... "the people who value honesty above all else, and so run the Justice system"... Sooooo, this book is a satire, right?
@The_Jazziest_Coffee4 жыл бұрын
i know right lol
@goosle4 жыл бұрын
You are the type of person to defend screen rant or no bull shit if you liked a single video of theirs.
@t3chkn1ght4 жыл бұрын
@@goosle Or it could've been a joke
@kyoza50694 жыл бұрын
@@goosle Still, though, why aren't the people who value justice running the government?
@goosle4 жыл бұрын
@@kyoza5069 it's called money, bribes, and pedophilia. In other words, I'm just a guy on the internet who doesnt bother voteing
@finalninju60214 жыл бұрын
Video title: "the world building of divergent makes me vomit" James: *doesn't vomit* Me: "well that's impossible it doesn't make any sense"
@Grace-iv1ho4 жыл бұрын
*Yes*
@s0Shi4 жыл бұрын
I hate being lied to
@strangent404a74 жыл бұрын
His very soul threw up
@shostysboo4 жыл бұрын
Akira Kurusu if it makes you feel better I almost vomited watching this
@internalpain20464 жыл бұрын
Akira Kurusu ayyy a persona fan
@patronusfilm3 жыл бұрын
we cant be too hard on veronica, after all, she wrote the first one in like 3 weeks. if that was written in 3 weeks you know insurgent was written in 2, 2 1/2 if we are being generous. allegiant was straight up just an edited version of something she took out of her notes app im not gonna lie. actually no be hard on her i cannot wrap my head around the basis of her plot lmao
@wizard101er5 Жыл бұрын
I mean even then weeks is enough time to plan out a story, Mary Shelley wrote Frankenstein after a few days and Ray Bradbury wrote Fahrenheit 451 in 9 days.
@ishathakor10 ай бұрын
@@wizard101er5 but mary shelley and ray bradbury actually knew what they were doing lol
@Calslock10 ай бұрын
I love how this classic pops up every 2 months or so in my recommendations and I'm always happy to watch it again
@nevayuh56364 жыл бұрын
“The city of Chicago with a wall built around it and it’s citizens think it’s the rest of humanity” ...So Attack on Titan mixed with Hunger Games and Harry Potter?
@iambored17154 жыл бұрын
nev luvsroses all such good series, yet divergent is pure garbage
@franziska92604 жыл бұрын
I was gonna ask why Harry Potter, then realised that though I was being stupid, the books were even more ridiculous
@nunyabusiness7764 жыл бұрын
Yea but worse
@xagefreeman20914 жыл бұрын
Why did they not go outside the walls
@Chaosmech4 жыл бұрын
Yes, if you took the worst aspects of all those and mashed them together into a nonsensical pile.
@lynsieee4 жыл бұрын
I don’t remember a single thing about the second book.
@tedros69174 жыл бұрын
For real 😂
@valeriav73334 жыл бұрын
Lol me neither
@yellownailpolish42034 жыл бұрын
Erudite hunts down Divergents, tris and her group hide, erudite inserts a mind serum into everyone that only divergents can resist and they make people commit suicide under the serum. This won't stop until a divergent comes forward, tris obviously does, erudite tries to kill her, Peter saves her, Calebs a tratior, they release a message from people beyond the fence
@neutral_cup_of_tea53104 жыл бұрын
@@yellownailpolish4203 lol by that point i had completely lost interest in caleb he was so bad
@kain034 жыл бұрын
Same I only remember what happened in the first one and fOuR whining about tris dying in the third one
@jhutt80022 жыл бұрын
"Only thing that keeps people from boning each other is geography". That's awesome quote!
@charless31083 жыл бұрын
"Are the factionless not fucking?" -James Tullos
@coolbanana1655 жыл бұрын
It seems odd to have a whole section of society devoted to the justice system.
@Cityweaver5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think the most confusing thing that kept me from understanding their little Hogwarts system is that there were three groups that all functioned under the same basic umbrella: one is lawyers and judges, one is military police and one "runs the government." Me: What... is the government if it is not lawyers, judges and police? XD One branch of government is strictly judges, another is a congress of people whose younger careers are usually lawyers and soldiers, and the executive branch runs the military and the president is usually a lawyer or a soldier. The Queen of freakin' England is a veteran. Book: Oh, the people who run the government are too spineless to also be veterans. Their only concern is spending hard earned resources on helping the poor. Me: ... Is this book taking shots at the Left or something? Jimmy Carter was a WW2 naval veteran and Clinton and Obama were lawyers. Kennedy, Johnson? Both vets. And Roosevelt was our president throughout WW2... Who separates both law and military from "the government" in their worldbuilding? Is the government the one making all the cloths, manufacturing for everyone else? XD
@coolbanana1655 жыл бұрын
@@Cityweaver I'd think real divisions would be: National: Government, Justice (Judges and prosecutors), Energy, Security. Academic: Science, technology, healthcare, education, defence lawyers. Mercantile (Services): Retail, Media, Waste Disposal, Plumbing, Electricians, etc Creators (Production): Factory workers, builders, crafters. Gatherers: Farming, Recycling, resource gathering. But I guess Divergent is more about basic preferences rather than economic groups.
@chongjunxiang30025 жыл бұрын
Imagine the current system can actually still work in Chicago of Divergent.
@meandmybobbygee18125 жыл бұрын
I know! If they're honest, wouldn't it be way better if they were journalists? Just because the Erudite knows stuff doesn't mean they can't lie! And look, they do lie... Whoever came up with that is kicking themself now
@killerkitten75345 жыл бұрын
It’s also weird because everyone can choose their faction. Like imagine if the justice system wasn’t even by democracy or best choice but just by whoever decides to step up to the job
@rainierday81553 жыл бұрын
This series just generally left a bad taste in my mouth. When I was in college, I remember meeting a friend of a friend, and our conversation turning to a discussion on books. She recommended reading the Divergent series, and I told her I had, and mentioned I didn't find them very enjoyable. And suddenly, she chooses the Divergent, of all things in the world, to be an elitist literature prick about. She casually throws the comment in about how I probably only read romance novels, and perhaps something this deep wasn't my cup of tea. Nothing like being condescended to by a lit major who thinks Divergent peaked the dystopian genre.
@rachelciel33303 жыл бұрын
Wow, if I found someone who read the book I liked and told me they didn't like it, I would probably be embarrassed and asked them on what lacking on my favourite books. Afterwards, I'll probably read the said books several times and never talked about it to that person ever again. It's just so shameful to be condescending just because you like something others don't.
@grimothy11843 жыл бұрын
a *lit major* oml
@yaboikungpowfuckfinger76973 жыл бұрын
Let me guess, they think 1984 is “basic and overrated”
@cyralamen3 жыл бұрын
Oof I had a friend who was and still is obsessed with divergent Like, that’s legit the only book that person would read- We grew apart because she was too much of an asshole, ignoring me one day and then pretending nothing happened another I watched this video because I wanted to spite their taste in books lol-
@sephikong83233 жыл бұрын
@@yaboikungpowfuckfinger7697 I mean, 1984 is actually pretty basic and over rated. Don't get me wrong, it's good, unlike stories like this, but if you take the book itself it's really not that impressive or groundbreaking apart from the fact it popularised the genre. Take it's world building for example, it's pretty basic, it works for what it's supposed to be (disinformation) but there's definitely better out there like Brave New World (which came out a decade and a half before and is imo better in almost every way) To me, 1984 is the quintessential Dystopia and is the entry point into the genre, but as such, most of what it does isn't that impressive when comparing it to the rest of the genre outside of it's legacy, even if it's good, there's better.
@karenhall46452 жыл бұрын
The question I always ask is how come Abnegation all seem to have their individual family homes, but every other faction all seem to live communally in a dome or high rises. And in the first movie the Factionless look like needy homeless people, then we get to Insurgent and they've become like a criminal gang or something. And everybody else in Dauntless are soldiers except for Torey who gives faction tests and is a tattoo artist.
@Idiot_TaylorsVersion Жыл бұрын
Also, their entire society is split up based on personality and they have to do this big test to see which faction they fit best in, and yet they’re allowed to choose whichever faction they want. This completely defeats the purpose of both the tests and the faction system as a whole because then people are going to choose a faction that they don’t belong in/perform well in because they have a choice. Being able to choose only benefits divergents because divergents literally can’t choose based off of test results. The entire world is so flawed.
@myagerelus12404 жыл бұрын
also if I remember correctly from reading, when Tris is in training for Dauntless she tries things like chocolate cake and coffee for the first time. How would Chicago be importing cocoa and coffee and even obtaining sugar?
@enaz_31164 жыл бұрын
Wait but since tris was born into abnegation, aka the selfless faction, it would make since that she didn't indulge in sweets. I remember cristina joking abt how abnegation folks don't eat cuz they donate food to the poor or something like that. Also some ppl inside Chicago were aware of the outside world, like tris' mother who was sent as an experiment to Chicago, so they imported goods secretly I guess?
@CN-yb5gn3 жыл бұрын
EnaZ _ maybe just amity grows it, new farming advances are mentioned
@prcervi3 жыл бұрын
greenhouse? not the easiest thing to build from scratch but it's just glass and a heating element and the ability to open some windows could easily salvage the majority of materials from in city
@Krossfyre3 жыл бұрын
@@prcervi How advanced is the technology in this series? Problem is chocolate is awfully difficult to make. There's a reason that it was a food only reserved for royalty and it took so long to catch on in Europe. I suppose if they had grindstones driven by water it'd be possible to make it efficiently, but cacao pods must also be fermented and then rapidly dried, all of which makes it really costly to produce. Unless they have contact with the outside world it seems unlikely for them to have any chocolate at all due to the inefficiency.
@floraposteschild41843 жыл бұрын
Sugar beets grow in the U.S. Coco -- no. Only in lowland tropical climates with high humidity, so at best, it was traded for far, far away, or was grown in an extremely expensive greenhouse. Not that the farming system and the economy makes much sense, anyway. "Advanced technology" only covers so much author BS.
@alexandersmith47965 жыл бұрын
It's like the city is one big Minecraft village full of Villagers.
@kylamamber90805 жыл бұрын
Good Lord, you're right! 😂😂
@ProfessionalNamielleLewder695 жыл бұрын
From how bland they are or how stupid they are? May as well be both.
@nine5525 жыл бұрын
Bro I want like some creepers to blow it all up
@treeizure78215 жыл бұрын
Honestly a village run by a single player would be waaaaaay more of a dystopian authoritarian city.
@kylamamber90805 жыл бұрын
@@ProfessionalNamielleLewder69 I was thinking more by the fact that each villager has a specific role that they're born into based on the color of their clothes. There's even a factionless, the Nitwit, they wear green. 😂😂
@Weeklong_Seagull2 жыл бұрын
That was the one thing that always bothered me about these books. It's in Chicago but lake Michigan is dry and somehow they survived the winter there. If those lakes were gone Michigan would be an ice cube
@delenaisrealbithes2 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU SO MUCHHHHH! I DESPISE THIS SERIES AND PEOPLE ALWAYS TOOK IT AS A HOT TAKE. BUT IT JUST *SUCKS*
@jafarmpb71932 жыл бұрын
Me tooo. Just garbage divegent series
@gazelle_diamond97688 ай бұрын
Bruh, you got issues.
@Zuerox5 жыл бұрын
I can’t wait for the next book laundry detergent
@ahhyesstoinks40585 жыл бұрын
plot twist: the world is a giant washing machine
@literallyglados4 жыл бұрын
@@ahhyesstoinks4058 it wasnt about genes, it was actually about jeans
@gustavoduarte35074 жыл бұрын
@@literallyglados Got dammit that's hilarious
@george-qz9un4 жыл бұрын
@@literallyglados holy fuck this is gold
@theteethburglar47164 жыл бұрын
You mean?: Four
@reallivebird5204 жыл бұрын
This makes me think of the first time I read the Maze Runner trilogy: the book just went “yeah solar flare brought a zombie virus to earth” and I said “no it didn’t”
@EmmyEntropy20003 жыл бұрын
The first maze runner book was awesome to me as a teenager. The rest of the trilogy and the prequel disappointed me so much. The intrigue and mystery of the situation was always interesting to me and would've been much better if it was never explained and left to the reader to come to their own conclusion. The next two gave such an underwhelming and stupid answer and turned into a cliche zombie apocalypse.
@KeyToAeris20243 жыл бұрын
Yeah the first book was so good in my opinion it didn’t need a sequel let alone a trilogy the story and plot of the other two books were so damn stupid and don’t get me started on the prequels except for the one where they go over the project of the maze because that was actually interesting.
@fissilewhistle3 жыл бұрын
Harvey The Broad I think the prequels were fine. Even if you ultimately knew the ending, the stories they told were interesting in their own rights.
@thallan3 жыл бұрын
Except the flare virus was a biological weapon released for population control.
@jebthegodemperor73013 жыл бұрын
I thought it was like the solar flare led to mutations which created the virus
@user-vo7hw4ns2w3 жыл бұрын
There are A LOT of book series that I just blindly read and loved as a kid- and now looking back, I'm like 'why did I do that..?' Divergent, Twilight....
@mc_cheshire Жыл бұрын
This video was ridiculously cathartic for me. My sister LOVED this series growing up and it drove me absolutely fucking insane. Never before have I wanted something torn apart so badly.
@emilygriffin64703 жыл бұрын
I lost my final bit of faith in the series when Veronica Roth accidentally changed the name of Tori’s brother from Georgie to Jonathan between books. Not easy to stay invested in a book when you’ve clearly paid more attention to the characters than the author lol
@Dressup_Doll3 жыл бұрын
@@FlowersOfAmity put the gun down
@roisinnigcrainn77223 жыл бұрын
How did that get past literally ANY editor? Like _HOW?_
@rae46243 жыл бұрын
one time I read a pretty niche book where one of the most important characters' names changed its spelling halfway through the book... I also can't believe nobody noticed, but I'm pretty sure the book didn't even go through an editor. It was a pretty whacky and far-fetched book and was a crazy read
@anirudhmanchella46413 жыл бұрын
It's been 5 years since I read the books, so I don't remember much. But, holy shit, is that actually true?
@kinda_cold_in_the_closet Жыл бұрын
WAIT WHATT LMFAOOO
@elizabethmackay9725 жыл бұрын
The series reads like a first draft, and that first draft is on wattpad, and it's in the fanfiction section. I was in class when I read the "murder gene" line in the third book, I laughed so damn hard I was kicked out of class.
@spookeylordzey84324 жыл бұрын
Demiclea it's spelled cliche
@floraa42704 жыл бұрын
@@spookeylordzey8432 frick off damn
@spookeylordzey84324 жыл бұрын
Flora A I'm just trying to help
@mj-cd9fr4 жыл бұрын
Yeah Allegiant was a MESS. My friend who already read the series before me told me not to read it and I really regret not listening to her lol
@notmalk_4 жыл бұрын
Don't disrespect Wattpad like this
@boomerb70733 жыл бұрын
I read this series as a kid and loved the finest book, and even as a child pretended that the other two didn’t exist. I reread all three recently and my god it makes no sense. I hate lazy writing so much.
@jaytonius5602 жыл бұрын
I love how the smart people were the villains. 😂
@megasauruss3 жыл бұрын
My worst fear is that one day, someone will make a video like this about my book.
@aliza_h3 жыл бұрын
The fact that you're consciously afraid of that is one step toward making your book _really_ good! Write what you love, and trust your gut with the worldbuilding stuff--and by that I mean you should research whatever you feel like you need to, and you can stop when you feel like you've done enough. I'm definitely not an expert, but that's my two cents :)
@cccaaa7023 жыл бұрын
Same here
@fica11373 жыл бұрын
Be like Fallout writers and not Divergent writer
@averyhopkins62693 жыл бұрын
heed this mans advice then lmaooo
@tokenfinnishguy87143 жыл бұрын
@@fica1137 Fallout 76 writers!?
@terawinter30763 жыл бұрын
Tris is Katniss without all the parts that make her an imperfect person and a compelling character with complex motivations and people to protect.
@verytired23993 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@_stupidbro3 жыл бұрын
I just realized their names literally rhyme
@terawinter30763 жыл бұрын
@@_stupidbro oh wow now I can't unsee that
@luisgerardobujandalopez49942 жыл бұрын
Katniss in mockingjay was insufferable tho
@lotusstargirl55072 жыл бұрын
@@luisgerardobujandalopez4994 It was like she lost everything that made her great in the previous two books. I'm glad she got it back when she killed Coin
@trbd2 жыл бұрын
"Congratulations, your personality is a farmer, good luck out there buddy"
@alacritical78733 жыл бұрын
I was not expecting to come out of this video having learned so much about agriculture and the geography of Chicago, but I am here for it
@ulyerabrooks3 жыл бұрын
I just realized this, but wouldn't a divergent be sorted under factionless? Like they don't fit into any faction, so that would make them factionless.
@sophiaredwood58253 жыл бұрын
This literally just occurred to me too
@malloryvanhorn3 жыл бұрын
Technically the factionless doesn’t fit at all with any category, divergent fits into any of them. So factionless doesn’t have any and divergent has all
@elenasanchez90263 жыл бұрын
Actually it is said in the book that the majority of divergents are in factionless because of what you said.
@hiidupiidu32923 жыл бұрын
yup divergents if not killed did live as factionless
@asianpersuasion49013 жыл бұрын
Technically factionless is belonging to no faction, while divergent is meeting the requirements for EVERY faction
@Zarastro544 жыл бұрын
What the hell does "genetically damaged" even mean? It seems like a eugenics oxymoron.
@lgbtqiarights4 жыл бұрын
bh5496 it means plot device
@marekwygnany9244 жыл бұрын
Also, It'd be pretty good setup for bad case of kill-everybodyitis. Because history of race teaches us, those damages would smooth out reeaaaaally quickly.
@Freekymoho4 жыл бұрын
well there is such a thing as an objectively damaged gene; Cystic fibrosis, huntingtons disease or Down's syndrome are all caused by genes put together in the wrong way. Cancer is also an example of genes getting fucked up from one generation to the next. Whatever the thing wrong with the people in these books are, I guess you'd classify it as a mental impairment, although a very light one since they still function at a pretty high level.
@trequor4 жыл бұрын
How is it an oxymoron? Gene damage is a real thing. Cancer is caused by gene damage and radiation exposure causes gene damage. It's not absurd.
@piccoloatburgerking4 жыл бұрын
@@lgbtqiarights A pretty shit plot device at that. A better way of introducing "gene damage" would be to create a scenario where something causes the genes to mutate and distort incrementally through each reproductive cycle where the gene essentially breaks down more and more as it passes down. This kind of shit is not hard to come up with so i don't know what the fuck the author if these books was thinking honestly.
@Isaacreeper3 жыл бұрын
I will never forget the number of times the word "gun" was used to describe a firearm in Divirgent.
@hanneswiggenhorn202310 ай бұрын
I think there is one thing missing for the farming aspect: you would need to farm a massive amount of trees. You can't really mine anything, so wood is your only building material and fuel source. They have reliability electricity, so they need powerplants, and the only reliable fuel source would be wood. So besides the farm land, you would probably also grow giantic forests to keep everything running. I would guess they would need even more land for just the trees than for everything else combined
@tetrachloride90674 жыл бұрын
"History has shown that the only thing that keeps groups of people from boning each other is geography." My new favorite channel.
@scottishbananaclan4 жыл бұрын
Me: I like this series James: No you don't Me: yeah I don't
@moej33863 жыл бұрын
Literally
@zenalyssa3 жыл бұрын
Yep
@lampsenpai43253 жыл бұрын
I liked the first book, but now I understand why the rest of it was so forgettable. I forgot the male protag's name until I went through the comments
@rverdict90133 жыл бұрын
I liked it when I first read it. I got bored af after that
@justjordan75313 жыл бұрын
I liked the first one but the more I read the other books the more I got so confused. I also hated the ending
@skyspring7704 Жыл бұрын
The series is an allegory for middle school, high school and college. In middle school you learn that you will be persecuted unless you fit an absurd stereotype. In high school you learn that there are lots of people who see through the stereotype sorting system. In college you fall for flattery and get your hopes up about your future and then get disillusioned.